Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

[Zander?]

Because I was still trying to get you into the QT to sort you out. Your "breadcrumbing" was casting shade. If you don't see that then I can't help you. 

 

 

Your decision to "breadcrumb" while painting me mafia without actually making a real case about me AND your decision to stay out of the QT meant that I was not going to get anything else from not claiming so it was time. 

 

Breadcrumbing my role is casting shade??!?!?!

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

 

I breadcrumb my role and character a fair bit.  And guess what...its mostly always as Town.

[Zander?]

Zander.

 

Please please please don't post with a highlighted section inside a spoiler again. I'm not sure if I even understood the point you were trying to make there.

 

And the highlight on top of highlight is getting very confusing in its own right. quote if you need to. Reference topics inside the quote. But omg you are making things hard to read.

 

Ya my bad but I need to show it and it was within a large spoiler.

 

Ill try to keep it more tidy going forward.

[dicetosser1]

Good morning. 

 

Dice, tell the truth are you really a 3p??? Maybe even survivor ??? 

 

You giving that kinda vibe from your anger at being lynched to be confirmed and all the talk of being a vote for town. I know as survivor you prefer to win with town but like I said before, If you are trying to convince people you are town you are going about it the wrong way.

 

i am TOWN!

[Eldrick4221]

@ Zander

 

Why would I change my view of you when I think you are mafia? I found one thing that you have done that I don´t think you would do as town and in my eyes it makes you mafia. For what it´s worth, my view on you have changed but not for the better. I will not let go just because you don´t think I have "developed" my read on you. I think you are mafia. That´s it!

 

And to people that are accusing RTE of just following other players. I will not defend RTE, because I have not re-read his posts. But I will defend the right to agree with others. How on earth would we ever achieve a lynch if people didn´t agree with each other? Sure, mafia could try to hide among popular oppinions (and maybe that is what he is doing, what do I know?) but in this case, if Zander is mafia, then mafia will only use that as an excuse to get people not to vote him. Since I have games where I disappear for a while I know what it´s like to show up, realise that I agree with others, post that and then people say that I´m just following others. That doesn´t have to be wrong. 

 

Fair enough. I will give him time. I'm still not happy with his play. I still think he could very well be scum, and your reasoning is null. But I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

 

 

 

 

 

We don't have to clear it up by lynching one of them, though. Like seriously. We just had a cop claim.

 

which is awesome   if he lives   which is awesome if the one he views isnt a gf.

 

theres always the option that we may not lynch one of them   it depends on the conversation

 

@laine   I said at the outset of all this i wanted to hear from Zander. nothing he has said has made me go "ohhh thats scummy!"  i have nothing to point at thats making it obvious hes scum.

 

his tone is frustrated but hes not doing one thing i use to pick him as mafia.

 

i just dont know if he is scum. So im gonna let it get sorted by the cop.

 

 i dont think turin is given the way he claimed and his arguments for his case

 

 

 

and in case of derpness  i hope any doc role realises they have to protect tsuki tonight

 

 

 

First reason. He wants to solve Zander/Turin by lynching one because he doesn't want to leave it to a cop view. Suspects GF. After receiving grief about his abandoning his idea of lynching between them, he suggests having the cop view them. Inconsistent.

 

 

 

ive already answered this and am in no mood to do it again so its gonna be short so make sure you remember it

 

he hardclaimed a town role.  automatic unvote unless ccd

 

he wasnt ccd  he was instead corroborated by zander

 

so at least one of them is town unless this is a zander gambit and i dont think it is cause i dont think he could get turin to go along with it

 

didnt he actually claim neighbourIZER??  maybe im making a mistake there

 

 

 

Second reason. I ask him about why he suddenly went from suspecting Turin to townreading him. He claims it was because Turin claimed a town role. I point out that Neighbor is an unaligned role. He says he thought the role Turin claimed was Neighborizer. I prove him wrong. His read on turin disappears. He hasn't mentioned Turin since. If he was suspecting Turin originally, and his reason for changing his mind isn't accurate, what happened to the suspicion?

 

Third Reason. The way he is treating his claim. Like his vote is more important than other townie votes, that we would be losing a great deal if we lynched him. If he is telling the truth, his vote is just as important as any of ours, and he has the added bonus of still being able to talk if we are wrong about him. I don't believe his claim AT ALL. He is not acting in the way someone would if they knew they could still impact the game after dying.

 

Thank you. I would have to re-read his posts myself but I won´t have time to do that before dl. I get the first and second reason. Not the third. Town votes are needed to win the game and if Dice is telling the truth then we need his vote more than his voice. (Dice, I don´t mean that in a bad way.)

 

 

If he's telling the truth his vote is just as important as any other towny's vote. We would lose that with any mislynch.

My point is that we wouldn't lose his voice, as we would with any other mislynch, and he isn't acting appropriately for that situation.

[Zander?]

Dice not looking like a Rey lynch is going through and your vote would prolly be better placed on another of your Scum reads imo

 

Who else is Scum iyo and why?

[dicetosser1]

Good morning. 

 

Dice, tell the truth are you really a 3p??? Maybe even survivor ??? 

 

You giving that kinda vibe from your anger at being lynched to be confirmed and all the talk of being a vote for town. I know as survivor you prefer to win with town but like I said before, If you are trying to convince people you are town you are going about it the wrong way.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know the formatting of that post sucks, but I didn't want to make it multiple posts about the same thing. Maybe I should have.

 

Yes I'm annoyed at all the claims today. It's Day friggin 1. Why paint a target on yourself?

 

Turin's I get because it opened into why he was suspecting Zander.

 

Zander's I get cuz duh. He was already outed by Turin. Denying it would be stupid.

 

Tsuki's I kinda get cuz he was getting heat and wasn't expecting to be around for a while. Still don't buy the claim, but I'll let it go for now.

 

Dice's I simply don't get. A lot of people suspect him, myself included. The claim itself doesn't take away any of the suspicion, and it doesn't make him worth keeping around like other claims would. As I have already stated, if he is telling the truth, he is the best way the day could go if we end up lynching town. I don't believe his claim, though. Someone has requested reasons why people are suspecting Dice. I am going to ISO him and do just that, cuz it's kind of foggy in my head as to exactly why. New reasoning is because of how he is treating his claim.

 

He keeps reiterating that we would be losing his vote if we lynch him. That is literally the case with any townie, and isn't a point to keep him alive. That is his only reason against his lynch, though.

 

Also there is his pointing out that mafia would kill him. Not what I would expect to happen, for the same reason that he would be the most beneficial mislynch. They would go after someone that killing them would silence them.

 

@ Dice If you really are what you say you are, start giving reasons for us to be lynching someone else. Stop harping on the fact that we would lose your vote, cuz we wouldn't lose your voice.

 

I think Turin might be on to something about Dice being 3p.

 

 

eldrick do you actually read what i post?  or do you just see select bits like lenlo?

 

ive already pointed at rey.  its a tone thing and then the way he has responded since my claim

 

 

i pointed at lenlo   and am not the only one to do it   for the shift in his posting since my claim and have said id also vote rte  the last post i remember from him was where he said he believed my claim   yet still advocates  "sorting me out" knowing people are only considering lynching me to do that

 

I think theres a real good chance of 2 scum in those three

 

as for the claim   you might wanna consider a few things

 

 1  i didnt have to claim  i wasnt under pressure vote wise. i didnt NEED to claim  i simply got fed up with the suspicion when i am a role that is as far as ive seen on dm always town.  If you have a problem with early claims for no good reason you had better throw some votes at tsuki or im gonna call you a hypocrite considering noone doubted his claim except turin and he had less reason then i did to claim.

 

2  NOONE has considered in thread other options of dealing with my role   we have a cop  we probably have a doc  if the doc does their job i can be viewed even if its night three   noones thought of that  ive suggested myself lynching me at f4  noones considering that

 

3  Mafia is a game of majority if town outnumber mafia town wins so killing me loses a town vote and brings u closer to parity cause ure likely to be two townies down by tomorrow morning

[Eldrick4221]

eldrick do you actually read what i post?  or do you just see select bits like lenlo?

 

ive already pointed at rey.  its a tone thing and then the way he has responded since my claim

 

 

i pointed at lenlo   and am not the only one to do it   for the shift in his posting since my claim and have said id also vote rte  the last post i remember from him was where he said he believed my claim   yet still advocates  "sorting me out" knowing people are only considering lynching me to do that

 

I think theres a real good chance of 2 scum in those three

 

as for the claim   you might wanna consider a few things

 

 1  i didnt have to claim  i wasnt under pressure vote wise. i didnt NEED to claim  i simply got fed up with the suspicion when i am a role that is as far as ive seen on dm always town.  If you have a problem with early claims for no good reason you had better throw some votes at tsuki or im gonna call you a hypocrite considering noone doubted his claim except turin and he had less reason then i did to claim.

 

2  NOONE has considered in thread other options of dealing with my role   we have a cop  we probably have a doc  if the doc does their job i can be viewed even if its night three   noones thought of that  ive suggested myself lynching me at f4  noones considering that

 

3  Mafia is a game of majority if town outnumber mafia town wins so killing me loses a town vote and brings u closer to parity cause ure likely to be two townies down by tomorrow morning

 

 

Of course I read what you post. And ever since your claim, all you have done is try to point out why we shouldn't lynch you.

I agree with you on Rey. I don't like his tone either. He clearly isn't happening today.

I haven't had a problem with Lenlo. I'm not voting him.

 

1. Go ahead and call me a hypocrite. I'm not, under any circumstances, voting the un-cc'd Cop on D1. You don't have the same luxury of being a role that we NEED to keep alive because of the claim.

 

2. I've considered it. I haven't spoken it because I suspect you. I've listed my reasons why.

 

3. Again. The same is said about any towny. Which we don't know you are. Stop using this as a defense.

[Turin Turambar]

Dice, If you have something that looks like it might be wrong with your car and motorbike and baseball glove but your not sure about it. You know that at some time you need to determine what is wrong there and you know that you can only do one thing a day do you put it off until later or start trying to sort things out each day? If you look at all the options and you see that one of them even if you are wrong leaves you in a better situation than the other options would you choose to sort that first.

 

Any townie lynch results in town going down one with regard to majority.

There may be mechanical reasons the prevent you form being able to be sorted using NAs. The list here is long and I think that you can think of at least 3 of them right now.

You are admitting that you have basically claimed "for no good reason" because you were fed up with being suspected. I don't think that is team town play. Hence my continued doubt about your alignment. 

[dicetosser1]

really turin?  my experience is mafia tend to NOT do things because of emotions. they are much more calculated and distanced from the game cause they are already lying

[dicetosser1]

does anyone know where the last vc was?

[Eldrick4221]

Official Vote Count - Day 1

 

Zander (4/7): Turin, Rey, RTE, Niniel

Rey (1/7): Dice

RTE (3/7): Zander, Shad, Hallia

Dice (3/7): Lenlo, Eldrick, Alanna

 

Not voting (2): BFG, Tsuki

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to achieve a majority Lynch.

 

Day 1 deadline is set for Wednesday 14 April @ 9 PM BST

 

Day 1 Deadline Countdown

 

No Change. Just under 13 hours 25 mins to go

 

Last official VC. I don't think it's changed. (ISO'd Ithi for this)

[Ithillian Turambar]

Not that long ago. Let me do one now

[dicetosser1]

ithi hold on

[dicetosser1]

unvote vote RTE

[Eldrick4221]

BFG also voted RTE

[dicetosser1]

if i sleep in im liable to miss dl  will try not too but its at 6am and im exhausted

[Eldrick4221]

I will definitely miss it. I go to bed in ~4 hours

[Ithillian Turambar]

Official Vote Count - Day 1

 

Zander (4/7): Turin, Rey, RTE, Niniel

RTE (5/7): Zander, Shad, Hallia, BFG, Dice

Dice (3/7): Lenlo, Eldrick, Alanna

 

Not voting (1): Tsuki

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to achieve a majority Lynch.

 

Day 1 deadline is set for Wednesday 13 April @ 9 PM BST

 

Day 1 Deadline Countdown

 

Just over 8 hours to go

[Eldrick4221]

Dice, what is your current read on Turin, and why?

[Eldrick4221]

Guess I missed you. Please respond to this when you get back.

[Eldrick4221]

Guess I missed you. Please respond to this when you get back.

 

i'd add "assuming you're still alive", but if you're really a stump, it doesn't matter

[Turin Turambar]

LOL. 

[Eldrick4221]

I was serious, but I see the humor :P

[BFG]

Helsinki airport is nice :)

[BFG]

RTE

 

A few early fluff posts then straight in with reads. Takes Turin's side in the 'neighbours debate' and votes Zander

 

Roughly seems to be thinking :

 

John/Hallia

Eldrick

Tsuki*

Turin

Rey

Alanna

 

Dice?

BFG

Shad

Niniel

 

Zander

 

(no opinion on Lenlo given)

 

Points out Dice's 'switch' from resolving between Zander/Turin to neither. Thinks Turin is town independent of Sander's flip, nothing from Sander makes him think town, very defensive, doesn't understand the switch off Turin onto a new train

 

 

Yuck, out of time to finish

 

Skimmed the rest. It's difficult to call, mafia!RTE is likely to be fluffy for longer, but Town!RTE has more humour, says stranger things. Turin's right, RTE will be easy to read with more time, but I'm left unsure by his content so far and have stronger town reads on Dice and Zander.

 

I don't have time to look at Rey, but he's no longer a viable option anyway.