Ghostbusters Mafia - Game Over - Mafia Wins!

[Tsukibana]

Posting from bathroom, Lol. How do you quote from mobile version?

 

@Eldrick: as I said earlier, I feel Zander flailed quite a bit when Turin decided to thunderdome. I feel that if he were scum, his QT mates would have told him to chill... but I also don't like how he hid himself in the neighbor QT, or his... panic at being accused. Therefore, he is Town, maybe PR and REALLY don't wanna die, or 3rd party.

[Eldrick4221]

I'm sorry. That still doesn't explain to me why you're including 3p. I get why you say he's not mafia. Why doesn't that make him town to you, not town/3p?

[Eldrick4221]

Mmmm. I'm wondering on Eldrick now, Laine raises a good point. You seem awfully easily swayed.

 

You really think Zan/Turin is v/v?

 

Also: I don't know exactly. They haven't been scummy. They've just been meh.

~~~~This response is not great. You dodged an answer here I think. Which one has been meh? Can you be more specific?

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Vote: Eldrick

I can't give a good reason cuz I don't have one. There isn't anything specific. I still think you're town, just not as strongly as I did John.

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1 post for cause he was busy yesterday and just for today I guess?

 

Rey is starting to fall off of the map and its not a good look.

 

But more importantly, maybe Im reading it wrong but does the bold red read like TMI to anyone else?

No?

 

Explain.

[Eldrick4221]

I think turin is town. Is see how Zander could be town and frustrated and confused about his role. Yes I think they are v/v.

 

I'm not voting Zander today. I agree that Tsuki should view him, to clear that up.

[Eldrick4221]

Posting from bathroom, Lol. How do you quote from mobile version?

Tap the post. A quote button appears at the bottom.

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http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/97808-ghostbusters-mafia-day-1/?p=3638450

 

Though not common people will lie as Town, our only disagreement is who thought Dice was Scum first.

 

Im Town and I Dont know for SURE Turin is Scum.  I think he is but my switch off of him when NO ONE else is voting him and everyone is thinking Im scummier comes down to the simple fact of self preservation. 

 

Why does that not make any sense to you as you state?

 

Im not just looking at Turin because theres obv more then 1 Scum and my job is to find one and build a case to make people see what Im seeing and try to prove to everyone Im Town.

 

Your. involvement level and content is weak, your 5 posts of over half of which are fluff, are general consenus thoughts and cover a very small focus area,

 

What are your reads on the others?

 

Why would Dice look bad when I flip Town?  You say Dice is null but a def scum lean for his stepping out?  Can you please explain.

 

Like you talk a bot about Dice Turin and myself but you leave out a lot of other players and those you mention are just cookie cutter reasons,

 

Elaborate some.

 

Not a bad post

[Tsukibana]

I'm sorry. That still doesn't explain to me why you're including 3p. I get why you say he's not mafia. Why doesn't that make him town to you, not town/3p?

Because only town PR/3rd party panics, IMO. If he is vanilla, then his death would help town more than scum (give us smaller pool, we'd pay greater attention to those pushing him, etc.). If he was vanilla, he still wins, dead or not, if town wins. Town should never panic 'But I don't wanna die!'... and I get that sense from him. He doesn't want to die, which says PR or 3rd Party to me... (Not that I am saying town doesn't defend themselves)

Make sense?

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@Everyone If Zander flips town, what does this say about Turin? Is he scum for pushing this on Zander?

Meh.

 

The unlikelihood of Turin doing what he did as scum is real.

 

Doesn't mean scum don't do weird/stupid/illogical things.

 

There was a situation like this in a game I played on VS recently. Scum made a really really stupid claim. It was a stupid claim because it was destined to become obvious in time if the person was lying.

 

We say scum wouldn't do X because X has consequences.

 

When we ignore those consequences because scum wouldn't do X because X has consequences, then we lose in dramatically pathetic ways.

 

The role claimer in the VS game kept on living as her role became less and less probable and VTs who sussed her for it kept getting night killed instead of her.

 

Oh but scum wouldn't do X.

 

So she won.

 

Point being I wouldn't necessarily want to lynch Turin if Zander flips town, because I think scum wouldn't do what Turin did.

 

But FFS if Zander does turn out to be town and Turin's still alive at lylo with a piss poor game riding on nothing but this claim, don't make me hate all of you.

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The Rey TMI push is really weak also.

The struggle to solve Zander in this game is real. >_<

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What's RTE's approach to bussing?

 

Like is he one of those players who would never do it, can be coaxed into it, eagerly lynches away his team mates?

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I don't see rey and dice as being scum together.

Agreed on that.

[Eldrick4221]

 

I'm sorry. That still doesn't explain to me why you're including 3p. I get why you say he's not mafia. Why doesn't that make him town to you, not town/3p?

Because only town PR/3rd party panics, IMO. If he is vanilla, then his death would help town more than scum (give us smaller pool, we'd pay greater attention to those pushing him, etc.). If he was vanilla, he still wins, dead or not, if town wins. Town should never panic 'But I don't wanna die!'... and I get that sense from him. He doesn't want to die, which says PR or 3rd Party to me... (Not that I am saying town doesn't defend themselves)

Make sense?

I think I do. It's because of his panic at dying that you think he could be 3p.

[Ithillian Turambar]

Good morning. Welcome to Tuesday. Well in the UK anyways :)

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Ok caught up.

 

Two things strike me the most.

 

First Dice changing from we need to resolve Turin and Zander today to moving off both of them entirely. I believe Turin is town. If Zander was to flip town I would take a hard look at Dice next (and that answers your question about that that you've asked everyone).

 

Second, nothing Zander has done has given me reason to think he's town. His insistence to discredit QT content is just plain and simply not a town stance. He's been defensive more than reasonable. Finally I just don't understand him moving off Turin, regardless if it's to me or not. I don't buy that he's doing it because he doesn't see a Turin lynch happening when most of the rest of the game is trying to resolve their roles and alignment. How he doesn't see Turin as a viable lynch is beyond me, and especially if he is so adamant that he is scum, with extra information to go on based on a QT as well. That he attempts to start a new train entirely when his reasoning is that the Turin lynch won't happen and he ll do anything to stay alive doesn't make sense either. Then you'd think he'd have placed his vote on the second largest train, assuming he is a townie who would rather risk anyone else dying but himself. So to me he isn't doing what would make the most sense to save himself, when IIRC that was his reasoning for moving off Turin.

 

Lenlo has been posting well and I agree with most of what he's said. He's solid town for me right now. Dice is still null but definite scum lean for his stepping out of the Turin Zander voting. Hallia's posts don't look out of place and I had John as my strongest town read. Townie vibes for eldrick and shad. One thing I'm not following is the case on Rey. I'd like to see some new stuff from him but liked his past posts. I guess I had a really good feel about the tone of his posts but perhaps that in itself isn't enough at this point. That being said I'm not one to comment on contributing at this point.

 

Why do you think scum!Dice would be more likely to protest a lynch on Turin/Zander if they're v/v, under the circumstances?

 

 

It would be easily be the best move for scum!anyone IMO

 

How is this an answer to my question?  -_-

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Shad I want you to look at my point in my last post irt Zander as scum, and how he would act in QT. Let me know what you think irt his character?

I'm not sure exactly what scenario you're asking about?  If Zander is scum and believes neighbors are always v/w, he wouldn't post in the thread at all.  No scum would post in the thread at all.  That's the equivalent of forwarding a random town your scum role PM.

 

I'm guessing that's not what you're asking me and I misunderstood you.

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In this case, what I'm saying is, why post as mafia at all, and in "secret" when he would be found out regardless because he posted?

Or maybe my answer was exactly what you were getting at. 

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Zander seems genuinely frustrated which I associate more with town!Zander. I'm sort of surprised by how strongly the reaction was against him following Turin's claim, considering that it's all on out of thread stuff. Difficult to have much confidence in this read while he's under pressure though

Explain why this makes it less significant

 

It doesn't? I'm surprised that everyone jumped on Zander so quickly given that the main argument is something unverifiable in thread.

 

Unverifiable directly, sure. You can still corroborate the facts, and if you don't believe they're w/w that's as good as confirmation where their stories jive. I don't understand why you and Zander both seem to be missing this.

[Zander?]

Zander, I'm not gonna do a bunch of quoting about Eldrick right now but off the top of my head his idea that shad was mafia because he had fooled him before and dice? Was townie because he had misread him mafia in the past.

 

His change of position wrt you is another. He was all for your lynch then follows dice to Rey with the idea that it is on part to prevent an early hammer. Then using what feels like weak reasons seems to put you, Rey and Dice all about equal likelihood of being mafia. Looks like he is just avoiding voting you. Which could be TMI on his part should you flip town or mafia trying to protect a teammate if you flip mafia( or just LOL Eldrick).

 

I can try to locate Quotes and such tomorrow.

 

As for Tsuki he does have me in his highest group other than himself.

 

Whatever dice is dealing with I hope it gets better. Which confusion are you referring to BTW?

 

As to BFG and Alanna, gun to your head which do you think more likely mafia?

 

PLEASE DO THE RED FOR ME

 

You mentioned his confusion about Neighbors/Neighboizers I think (someone did may not be you) and he saomething something about N0.

 

Im not sure either is tbqh atp.

 

Do you think one or both are?  If so who and why.

[Shad_]

BFG, zander himself confirmed the events in the QT as I described them except for one dispute about when we each became suspicious of dice. So if the facts are not in dispute then what difference does it make that you can't read it yet?

 

Do you think we are both lying about what happened?

 

With that I'm off to bed.

 

This

[Zander?]

 

 

I disagree about the connecting part. Its not that someone always can but theres usually stuff that does.

 

So what will my Town flip tell you?

 

Focusing on only one person is something you consider Towny behavior?

I'll not speculate on that yet.

 

It's not that I chose to pick you and leave everyone else. It's just that I feel that the case against you is good so I'm sticking to it.

 

 

Why wont you speculate on it?

 

No one else is scummy to you?

 

Its like your not allowing for the fact that you could be wrong.  Or looking back and re evaluating your read at all.

 

Just like I think you should have sticked with Turin if you knew he was lying.

 

Ive explained this already.

 

No one was biting, everyone has Turin as Town, there was no competing train atp.  I still think Turin may be Scum but the only thing were not in agreeing about his who had Dice as Scum first.  Like I dont understand why that part itself is such a hang up for everybody.  Also theres more then one Scum in the game. 

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@Shad what's your read on Zander/Turin?

 

Leaning v/v but not Laine levels of sold on Zander

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Why do you think scum!Dice would be more likely to protest a lynch on Turin/Zander if they're v/v, under the circumstances?

 

 

 

It would be easily be the best move for scum!anyone IMO

 

 

Can you elaborate on this please?

 

[Zander?]

 

@Hally You never answered me. Why did you say Rey's lynch isn't happening today?

 

@Turin If you are right about Zander being scum, who do you think his teammates are?

 

@Everyone If Zander flips town, what does this say about Turin? Is he scum for pushing this on Zander?

 

 

No, Turin is town regardless imo.

 

+1

 

 

 

 

Why are you not willing to push rte?

i'm just a lot more convinced on Zander and Dice. 

 

RTE is a nullish read at present. I think he will become obvious as mafia if he is. 

 

 

 

 

Why are you not willing to push rte?

 

Sexy post imo.

 

If Im mislynched and if RTE is proved Scum look hard at this irt Turin.

 

 

 

Just want this noted.

[Shad_]

Posting from bathroom, Lol. How do you quote from mobile version?

 

@Eldrick: as I said earlier, I feel Zander flailed quite a bit when Turin decided to thunderdome. I feel that if he were scum, his QT mates would have told him to chill... but I also don't like how he hid himself in the neighbor QT, or his... panic at being accused. Therefore, he is Town, maybe PR and REALLY don't wanna die, or 3rd party.

 

lol

 

Zander's not going to listen to scum mates telling him to haul it back.  Zander gonna Zander whatever his alignment.