[Basic] Bolshevik Mafia - TOWN WINS

[Sooh]

^so wait and see what he does in thread

Agreed.

[Zander?]

[unvote]

 

[V] zander [/v]

 

Why?

 

 

I have seen Zander be agreeable and not as town.

 

Agreeable how so?

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quick reads list since I have a moment before I try to sleep again...

 

Alanna

Kronos

Monstr

Turin

Lenlo

BFG

Hally

Darthe

Calder

Thane

 

Eldrick

Sooh

Zander

 

I'm really not that confident in my reads yet, I feel like there hasn't been a lot to go off of, just the same "why did you vote x, I don't like that, you only do xyz as wolf, yadda yadda yadda". Basically, there hasn't been a lot of substance and that bothers me as far as D1 goes. As for noting my list, Kronos is my peek, Monstr is giving me good feels. Turin, though I didn't agree with some of his pushes, his responses have been solid enough. Lenlo and BFG slightest town reads because their posts didn't make me want to throw my laptop at the wall. The huge null section either made me want to throw my computer at the wall, has given me no leans thus far, or hasn't posted at all. Nulls are mostly un-ordered. I really really hate having Zander as my lowest read but there is something off and his pushes are not coming off to me as genuine enough. I'm also having a hard time following some of his arguments because they don't make logical sense and I know he knows better than to try and put a square peg in a round hole.

 

 

Its difficult to not view you as a wolf when you already have reads on everyone and are tossing several of the most active players in with people who havent posted.

 

We call that disingenuous

 

What is this? (there you go, a what instead of a why?

 

The only really active player in her nulls is you and she says you're going to be a difficult read. And since when has posting a lot meant anything about getting a read on somebody?

 

 

 

Darthe, BFG's nitpicky silly questions that seem to have no meaning somehow result in her making meaningful reads and I have no idea how she does it but there is method to her maddness. I just wish it made sense.

 

Calder hasn't posted at all.

 

I only remember two posts of Thane's, one is right here on p25 and the other one was a post saying he'd be back or something. I don't remember any kind of meaningful contribution though. Hello, I'm pot, nice to meet you kettle.

 

I'm confident that Darthe will be hard read for me this game per usual unless he does something stunningly townie so I'm waiting for that, please don't let me down. If you do, we can just lynch a wolf.

 

Additionally, Eldrick and Sooh are separated from my null list because they are naturally scummy. Eldrick has kind of been all over the map but I appreciate him trying to get things going at the start of the game. However, I know that Eldrick is perfectly capable of that as a wolf. And I also know that people clear him precisely because he's a unique player and they expect him to do strange things. In regards to Sooh, there were some posts that fell completely flat for me and that's what's giving her a lower read, however I did like her responses to Zander about Turin. So they both kinda have +/- and I'm not sure what to do with either, I guess. Fence sitting, I am. Will sort them latter, definitely.

 

Ummmm anything else.... nopeee.... I'm fixing to go to bed if nobody is online though.

 

More activity definitely correlaTes with getting a better read.thiz is my criticism of the reads, order, methodology, whatever youd like to use to describe it. I dont like her order or method of getting there and I think the whole thing is more often a wolf laine manner of going about things than a town one.

 

But doesn't allow for the fact that some people are difficult to read. At the moment I don't have much of an opinion on you either. There are aspects of your engagement that I find townish, but your approach to the thread seems odd in places, could just be I'm biased here

 

Odd and different dont equal wolfy. What you just said, by my understanding, is "I find you town but am afraid to commit to that"

 

Is it scary?

 

No, if I'm wrong than I'm wrong. But I don't understand you as a player, that makes you difficult to read. You're not frightened of posting as mafia, you were the highest poster in AG iirc, so that's not something I can clear you of. You seem unwilling to work with me, but honestly I think that's something I remember from us being town/town before, our reads are pretty different, as are things we see as being townish. So all in all it makes for a difficult read, and generally I like seeing flips/pushes before I decide on your alignment.

[Sooh]

 

He seems so happy to be in the game and he seems like the type of player who enjoys being town more than scum

I do. I really really do.

 

Irt sooh. You addressed your early read on hally. If it was based on her first catchup post, I'm ok with it. I haven't actually gone back to fact check yet. I was basing it on whoever quoted hally's posts and asked how you got a read on them.

 

Back to reading.

 

BFG quoted her early posts, and I responded by letting her know it was based on her two first catch up posts. I can see why people would be iffy if it was like BFG said, a read based on ~nothing, but then again, do mafia ever do that?

[Turin Turambar]

 

my point being that "difficult to read" is subjective

Yee. Id have me cleared by now but of course I would, I get me.

 

Doesnt mean anyone else has to.

 

But you would probably be wrong. LOL

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

And still processing Laine's posts. With a couple of exceptions I like her reads list (Manbat/Sooh, who would both be null for me, although for opposite reasons), although I wish some of the generic statements were fleshed out, which responses of Turins did you like? The only thing quoted is a -ve.

 

Also not sure what to make of her statement about me to Darthe, I know my nitpicky questions frustrate her sometimes but asking people to qualify/quantify reads/votes isn't nitpicky, unless we have different definitions lol.

Totally annoys me, but if your method is to say "why" to everything then ill grit through it like I do with my four year old cousin

Incidentally this isn't 'new' to my game, and you know that?

No, I dont.

Slightly sceptical look

Sorry, I keep a good meta on a few people who stick out to me or fight with me. There are no notes and very little memories reserved for how anyone else plays this game.

[Darthe]

 

 

my point being that "difficult to read" is subjective

Yee. Id have me cleared by now but of course I would, I get me.

 

Doesnt mean anyone else has to.

But you would probably be wrong. LOL

Its my talent

[Zander?]

Sooh - i am appalled at your distrust.

 

But, I cannot shake my own about my buddy Zander.

 

 

 

Haha there won't be retirement when we're old enough to retire silly calder

I know. That is my point. They made a big fuss at my work one day bc only 1 person (guess who) wasnt contributing to the 401-K for their free money. I responded that I dont believe in them.

 

1. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Economics 101. Opportunity cost. If I am getting a bit of money to put away my earned cash in a lockbox for 45 years than it aint free. I likely wont live to see it. It is like burning money.

 

2. Spend your money when your young enough to enjoy it.

 

3. [v]Zander[/v]

 

 

What distrust?

 

Why are you voting me?

 

People are just dropping votes on me without reasons.  

 

This is alarming,

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Quick reads list since I have a moment before I try to sleep again...

 

Alanna

Kronos

Monstr

Turin

Lenlo

BFG

Hally

Darthe

Calder

Thane

 

Eldrick

Sooh

Zander

 

I'm really not that confident in my reads yet, I feel like there hasn't been a lot to go off of, just the same "why did you vote x, I don't like that, you only do xyz as wolf, yadda yadda yadda". Basically, there hasn't been a lot of substance and that bothers me as far as D1 goes. As for noting my list, Kronos is my peek, Monstr is giving me good feels. Turin, though I didn't agree with some of his pushes, his responses have been solid enough. Lenlo and BFG slightest town reads because their posts didn't make me want to throw my laptop at the wall. The huge null section either made me want to throw my computer at the wall, has given me no leans thus far, or hasn't posted at all. Nulls are mostly un-ordered. I really really hate having Zander as my lowest read but there is something off and his pushes are not coming off to me as genuine enough. I'm also having a hard time following some of his arguments because they don't make logical sense and I know he knows better than to try and put a square peg in a round hole.

 

 

Its difficult to not view you as a wolf when you already have reads on everyone and are tossing several of the most active players in with people who havent posted.

 

We call that disingenuous

What is this? (there you go, a what instead of a why?

 

The only really active player in her nulls is you and she says you're going to be a difficult read. And since when has posting a lot meant anything about getting a read on somebody?

 

 

 

Darthe, BFG's nitpicky silly questions that seem to have no meaning somehow result in her making meaningful reads and I have no idea how she does it but there is method to her maddness. I just wish it made sense.

 

Calder hasn't posted at all.

 

I only remember two posts of Thane's, one is right here on p25 and the other one was a post saying he'd be back or something. I don't remember any kind of meaningful contribution though. Hello, I'm pot, nice to meet you kettle.

 

I'm confident that Darthe will be hard read for me this game per usual unless he does something stunningly townie so I'm waiting for that, please don't let me down. If you do, we can just lynch a wolf.

 

Additionally, Eldrick and Sooh are separated from my null list because they are naturally scummy. Eldrick has kind of been all over the map but I appreciate him trying to get things going at the start of the game. However, I know that Eldrick is perfectly capable of that as a wolf. And I also know that people clear him precisely because he's a unique player and they expect him to do strange things. In regards to Sooh, there were some posts that fell completely flat for me and that's what's giving her a lower read, however I did like her responses to Zander about Turin. So they both kinda have +/- and I'm not sure what to do with either, I guess. Fence sitting, I am. Will sort them latter, definitely.

 

Ummmm anything else.... nopeee.... I'm fixing to go to bed if nobody is online though.

More activity definitely correlaTes with getting a better read.thiz is my criticism of the reads, order, methodology, whatever youd like to use to describe it. I dont like her order or method of getting there and I think the whole thing is more often a wolf laine manner of going about things than a town one.

But doesn't allow for the fact that some people are difficult to read. At the moment I don't have much of an opinion on you either. There are aspects of your engagement that I find townish, but your approach to the thread seems odd in places, could just be I'm biased here

Odd and different dont equal wolfy. What you just said, by my understanding, is "I find you town but am afraid to commit to that"

 

Is it scary?

No, if I'm wrong than I'm wrong. But I don't understand you as a player, that makes you difficult to read. You're not frightened of posting as mafia, you were the highest poster in AG iirc, so that's not something I can clear you of. You seem unwilling to work with me, but honestly I think that's something I remember from us being town/town before, our reads are pretty different, as are things we see as being townish. So all in all it makes for a difficult read, and generally I like seeing flips/pushes before I decide on your alignment.

Eh, I have a pretty gokd read on you atm I think. Maybe if I was particularly trying to be town youd have a better time with me.

[BFG]

I don't think I'm difficult to read but somehow people still seem to be incapable of doing it sometimes

Right now I think you're town. The two hangups I have are your first sets of posting which sounded clinical to me (I think that's the closest word to what I mean) and that I don't know what your mafia game looks like.

[Zander?]

 

Yet you liked Darthe's vote on me which was apparently due to asking him to explain his votes?

 

 

Yes at first because you hardly posted at the beginning and then you came in being vague just saying people were Town.

[BFG]

 

 

 

 

 

And still processing Laine's posts. With a couple of exceptions I like her reads list (Manbat/Sooh, who would both be null for me, although for opposite reasons), although I wish some of the generic statements were fleshed out, which responses of Turins did you like? The only thing quoted is a -ve.

 

Also not sure what to make of her statement about me to Darthe, I know my nitpicky questions frustrate her sometimes but asking people to qualify/quantify reads/votes isn't nitpicky, unless we have different definitions lol.

Totally annoys me, but if your method is to say "why" to everything then ill grit through it like I do with my four year old cousin

 

Incidentally this isn't 'new' to my game, and you know that?

 

No, I dont.

 

Slightly sceptical look

 

Sorry, I keep a good meta on a few people who stick out to me or fight with me. There are no notes and very little memories reserved for how anyone else plays this game.

 

No worries

[BFG]

 

Yet you liked Darthe's vote on me which was apparently due to asking him to explain his votes?

 

Yes at first because you hardly posted at the beginning and then you came in being vague just saying people were Town.

 

Which isn't why Darthe voted me

[Darthe]

 

Sooh - i am appalled at your distrust.

 

But, I cannot shake my own about my buddy Zander.

 

Haha there won't be retirement when we're old enough to retire silly calder

I know. That is my point. They made a big fuss at my work one day bc only 1 person (guess who) wasnt contributing to the 401-K for their free money. I responded that I dont believe in them.

 

1. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Economics 101. Opportunity cost. If I am getting a bit of money to put away my earned cash in a lockbox for 45 years than it aint free. I likely wont live to see it. It is like burning money.

 

2. Spend your money when your young enough to enjoy it.

 

3. [v]Zander[/v]

What distrust?

 

Why are you voting me?

 

People are just dropping votes on me without reasons.

 

This is alarming,

This is alarming is wolfy to say. Its fear mongering at worst, and at best its suggestive.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Quick reads list since I have a moment before I try to sleep again...

 

Alanna

Kronos

Monstr

Turin

Lenlo

BFG

Hally

Darthe

Calder

Thane

 

Eldrick

Sooh

Zander

 

I'm really not that confident in my reads yet, I feel like there hasn't been a lot to go off of, just the same "why did you vote x, I don't like that, you only do xyz as wolf, yadda yadda yadda". Basically, there hasn't been a lot of substance and that bothers me as far as D1 goes. As for noting my list, Kronos is my peek, Monstr is giving me good feels. Turin, though I didn't agree with some of his pushes, his responses have been solid enough. Lenlo and BFG slightest town reads because their posts didn't make me want to throw my laptop at the wall. The huge null section either made me want to throw my computer at the wall, has given me no leans thus far, or hasn't posted at all. Nulls are mostly un-ordered. I really really hate having Zander as my lowest read but there is something off and his pushes are not coming off to me as genuine enough. I'm also having a hard time following some of his arguments because they don't make logical sense and I know he knows better than to try and put a square peg in a round hole.

 

[v] unvote [/v]

 

[v] Alanna [/v]

 

Why?

 

 

I wasnt a fan of her entrance as I stated,  And her reasoning for scum reading me was weak.  She knows how to read me.

 

She said I made a weak push on someone in her opinion then said she agreed/liked it.

[Darthe]

Hey am I votinf zangeif yet?

[Lenlo]

 

Current vc?

 

Len, why you think Eldrick is a wolf?

 

 

 

Asking because you havnt read what I've been saying or to see if I'm consistent?

I can't remember tbh.

 

consistency is always nice too. But I won't be able to check that until later.

 

 

 

You do remember im a college student right? With lectures I have to go to and scores I have to earn and programs to suddenly fail even though I thought I did really well?

 

If you really cared about my reasons for Eldrick you would go back afew pages and get it. Its not hidden.

My problem with him is hes been going uip and down my list all day. Some things he says are good, some are bad, then more good, then more bad. As a general trend that isnt good. Then theres how  he treated Manbats "These people are not w/w together" and his like... quadruple negative.

[Turin Turambar]

 

[unvote]

 

[V] zander

 

 

Why?

Of the people with votes I think you have the highest chance of being mafia. In part because I don't really believe either Sooh or Alanna are mafia.

 

 

And I love competing trains.

[Darthe]

How often do I type that that my phone would Uto correct it?

[Zander?]

Ok I didnt want to mention this cause Im not a fan of bringing RL stuff into games.

 

But Ive got serious RL stuffs going on and Im gonna be away some Thursday into Friday for this.

 

That may be the reason I dont seem like my normal self.

 

Im Town, I dont have my usual WIM and feel for the game.

 

Do what this as you will.

[Darthe]

 

 

[unvote]

 

[V] zander

Why?

Of the people with votes I think you have the highest chance of being mafia. In part because I don't really believe either Sooh or Alanna are mafia.

 

 

And I love competing trains.

Sooh, hally, and laine are all playing fairly townie games but I dont think any of them are fully ohtside of their wolf ranges yet.

[Darthe]

Ok I didnt want to mention this cause Im not a fan of bringing RL stuff into games.

 

But Ive got serious RL stuffs going on and Im gonna be away some Thursday into Friday for this.

 

That may be the reason I dont seem like my normal self.

 

Im Town, I dont have my usual WIM and feel for the game.

 

Do what this as you will.

If you're town and get lynched for this dont take it to heart. But no way is that gonna give you a pass.

[Sooh]

 

Sooh - i am appalled at your distrust.

 

But, I cannot shake my own about my buddy Zander.

 

 

 

Haha there won't be retirement when we're old enough to retire silly calder

I know. That is my point. They made a big fuss at my work one day bc only 1 person (guess who) wasnt contributing to the 401-K for their free money. I responded that I dont believe in them.

 

1. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Economics 101. Opportunity cost. If I am getting a bit of money to put away my earned cash in a lockbox for 45 years than it aint free. I likely wont live to see it. It is like burning money.

 

2. Spend your money when your young enough to enjoy it.

 

3. [v]Zander[/v]

 

 

 

 

What distrust?

 

Why are you voting me?

 

People are just dropping votes on me without reasons.  

 

This is alarming,

 

Oh this post.

 

I am getting all kinds of alarm bells going off at this. It's not feisty enough. Where's the WIM? Where's Zander?

 

My town read of Zander is not doing so well atm.

[Zander?]

 

 

Yet you liked Darthe's vote on me which was apparently due to asking him to explain his votes?

 

Yes at first because you hardly posted at the beginning and then you came in being vague just saying people were Town.

 

Which isn't why Darthe voted me

 

 

I dont have to agree with the same reasons to like a vote on someone,

[Sooh]

Ok I didnt want to mention this cause Im not a fan of bringing RL stuff into games.

 

But Ive got serious RL stuffs going on and Im gonna be away some Thursday into Friday for this.

 

That may be the reason I dont seem like my normal self.

 

Im Town, I dont have my usual WIM and feel for the game.

 

Do what this as you will.

FWIW I don't think wolf!Zander posts this to get leniency. I don't think he's manipulative like that.