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Volume Concerns: An Open Discussion


Cory Caboose

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Yeah it would almost by default be a "moderator choice" kind of thing.

 

They don't run on POG that often because I think there's less complaints about volume there in general, but as someone who's played in them most people enjoy them. You certainly think a lot more before you hit the "post" button.

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  On 3/17/2016 at 6:40 PM, alannalynn said:

Perhaps it should just be moderator choice to have a limit on post counts or not and play a game based on that. That way we're not squeezing everyone into that same bucket of being "restricted" but those who can and want a PC limited game can play where they want but we can still have those games where massive post counts are allowed. It would give everyone a chance to play in the style they choose and they'll know what type of game it is going in.

 

It would still box out certain players.  The player wanting a lower PC game would have to wait for a mod to run one, and then player XYZ that is a high PC player won't be able to join (as they would feel handcuffed).

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  On 3/17/2016 at 6:42 PM, Verbal32 said:

It would still box out certain players.  The player wanting a lower PC game would have to wait for a mod to run one, and then player XYZ that is a high PC player won't be able to join (as they would feel handcuffed).

Well isn't it already boxing out players? I don't play that often because I'm too busy in RL and only play 13p basic games due to post counts and complexity. I just choose to avoid large games. I think that if a high post count player really wants to play that they can choose to handicap themselves and just do it. 

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  On 3/17/2016 at 6:40 PM, Verbal32 said:

But does it really matter?  100 posts in 5 pages or in 1 page is still 100 posts.

 

I think it absolutely does. You can have smatters of 60-70 posts that are about the same thing that you can probably just skim through real quick with more posts per page; with 20, you basically have to re-engage with the material after every page switch and load. Also being able to scroll up if you missed something or if someone asked someone a question rather than digging through previous pages can cut time out of the read.

 

As someone who plays in a lot of 100 post per page forums, I can say at least for me it is a gigantic difference maker.

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Like imagine reading a book but each page is six inches long and contains like three sentences and you're just flipping and flipping and sometimes flipping back when you didn't process something fully.

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  On 3/17/2016 at 6:44 PM, alannalynn said:

 

  On 3/17/2016 at 6:42 PM, Verbal32 said:

It would still box out certain players.  The player wanting a lower PC game would have to wait for a mod to run one, and then player XYZ that is a high PC player won't be able to join (as they would feel handcuffed).

Well isn't it already boxing out players? I don't play that often because I'm too busy in RL and only play 13p basic games due to post counts and complexity. I just choose to avoid large games. I think that if a high post count player really wants to play that they can choose to handicap themselves and just do it. 

 

 

This is true, they could.  But look at BFG's last game.  Only 13 players, and it still had a ton of posts and shot to 100+ pages very fast - as fast as I would have expected a 17 player game to do.

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For me, it's not about blaming anyone. Like Verb, I simply can't keep up, and will end up not playing anymore. I think it's in the best interests of the site to try to keep as many players playing as possible. But that's just my two cents...

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  On 3/17/2016 at 6:38 PM, Verbal32 said:

Well, here's the thing.  If we do nothing, then some players just won't end up playing much.  As that is probably the minority, I don't think it is that big of a deal.

 

Take me, for instance.  I can't keep up with that level of activity like I used to be able to.  So if we do nothing, I'll:

 

1) Probably only play in games that are 13 or less players, unless

 

2) there are notoriously high post count players in the 13er, in which case I'll have to pass on that one

Fair, but as a genuine question (as I don't know the answer)

 

We used to have a much wider player base... why did people stop playing? :unsure:

 

I mean if I think about players who 'enjoy' really high volume games that play here regularly, I'm thinking Zander, Shad, Eldrick?, Nyn?.. players that play more irregularly Cory, Sili, Darthe, ??? I know I'm probably forgetting people (sorry for that)

 

So I dunno what the solution is. When town I'm typically mid-high volume (when I'm around, my playing time is somewhat inconsistent :laugh:) so I'm not saying this from any imaginary high ground, lol

 

For me the solution is to play mostly small player number games and not worry about postcount /shrug I think mods, particularly in the Advanced Queue (and saying this breaks my heart since I really wanted my next Advanced game to be epic, but it needs numbers :( ), to come up with smaller setups.

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  On 3/17/2016 at 6:48 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

For me, it's not about blaming anyone. Like Verb, I simply can't keep up, and will end up not playing anymore. I think it's in the best interests of the site to try to keep as many players playing as possible. But that's just my two cents...

I don't think we're blaming anyone, people have the right to play however we want to play and we're all coming together to create a solution.

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  On 3/17/2016 at 6:48 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

For me, it's not about blaming anyone. Like Verb, I simply can't keep up, and will end up not playing anymore. I think it's in the best interests of the site to try to keep as many players playing as possible. But that's just my two cents...

 

I don't think we are trying to blame anyone. If you were able to keep up, would you continue to play?

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  On 3/17/2016 at 6:41 PM, Calder said:

I dont think post count restriction would help much at all. I just see it causing way more huge multi-quote responses that require 5 minutes alone to read.

 

I dont care if someone like Zander has 300 posts bc I can read them quickly. I far prefer that to enormous analysis posts. I already skip them for my sanity.

To an extent I agree with this as well :)

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I think there is a far bigger problem than the in-game volume. The heavy meta read nature of the forum. It seems crazy to nitpick the in-game post count when half the arguments against people have them referencing old 300+ page games that you would have to take the time to read in order to refute a random argument.

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  On 3/17/2016 at 6:50 PM, Calder said:

I think there is a far bigger problem than the in-game volume. The heavy meta read nature of the forum. It seems crazy to nitpick the in-game post count when half the arguments against people have them referencing old 300+ page games that you would have to take the time to read in order to refute a random argument.

 

That point we agree on. 

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  On 3/17/2016 at 6:49 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 3/17/2016 at 6:48 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

For me, it's not about blaming anyone. Like Verb, I simply can't keep up, and will end up not playing anymore. I think it's in the best interests of the site to try to keep as many players playing as possible. But that's just my two cents...

 

I don't think we are trying to blame anyone. If you were able to keep up, would you continue to play?

 

You said earlier that you had 'methods' for dealing with high volume games... would be a good place to share <3

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  On 3/17/2016 at 6:49 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 3/17/2016 at 6:48 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

For me, it's not about blaming anyone. Like Verb, I simply can't keep up, and will end up not playing anymore. I think it's in the best interests of the site to try to keep as many players playing as possible. But that's just my two cents...

 

I don't think we are trying to blame anyone. If you were able to keep up, would you continue to play?

 

Absolutely

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Its like thank god we are down to 10 pages a day. So much easier to keep up with now.

 

Next post = Come back at me when you have ISOd their game from Age of Legends and GnD.

 

Yep. I will get right on that.

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  On 3/17/2016 at 6:51 PM, Leelou said:

 

  On 3/17/2016 at 6:50 PM, Calder said:

I think there is a far bigger problem than the in-game volume. The heavy meta read nature of the forum. It seems crazy to nitpick the in-game post count when half the arguments against people have them referencing old 300+ page games that you would have to take the time to read in order to refute a random argument.

 

That point we agree on.

 

There are some players that I will never be able to get a decent read on without meta, there are others I'm too lazy to try :laugh:

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I agree with the posts per page argument. I would love to have 50 or 100 ppp on this site.

 

I also agree with the editing of quotes posts thing. I don't know if it would work on mobile as well, because I tend to not touch the games while on mobile, but could it be possible to not edit inside the posts while posting on phone,but rather spoilering the actual quoted post when you quote it?

 

It would be an interesting experiment to have a post count limit. At least it would limit the fluff I imagine.

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  On 3/17/2016 at 6:50 PM, Calder said:

I think there is a far bigger problem than the in-game volume. The heavy meta read nature of the forum.

 

I think this is basically always a "thing" when you have a relatively static player-base that isn't particularly large.

 

People use meta reads because they work for some people and are an effective tool; you can't really do anything about that, I think.

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  On 3/17/2016 at 6:52 PM, Darthe said:

To trim mqs you can spoiler everything you dont want to respond to on mobile. I'll provide an exame

 

I hope I get an A.

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