[Standard] Chrono Trigger Mafia - Town wins Day 5!

[Hallia]

Ninjad

[Niniel]

 

 

 

 

Dice: I find him scummy. The only thing he has done so far is joking about voting Zander and given "spot reads" and then clarifying/defending spot reads. After my request he agreed with AJ that it was a bit weird. Later he had him as townish because of town. In a vague way. When Turin asked if it was because of certain posts he said it was more the tone. I get that spot reads means tone reads but it felt like he brought him up just because I asked him and with the vague " townish". I don't know how to explain this but it felt he felt forced to say something because of my request.

AJ has said Dice looks town but recently he said to Turin that he is not against a Tina or a Dice lynch. Maybe that says more about AJ? Anyway, Dice is suspect for not doing much although posting.

Turin: I have a strong town lean on Turin. He tried to understand me and have asked a lot of good questions.

Thane: I don't understand his vote on me. Is it a pressure vote for me to get back to the game? Will he unvote now that I'm here? I'm not really getting a scummy feeling because scumThane are usually more spammy as mafia. He could of course have changed his play.Verbal: suspect because of posting without contributing. Asking a lot about spot reads but the answers doesn't seem to get him anywhere.

More in next post.

 

 

I dont know if Tina's actually seeing what others are seeing or just regurgitating what others have already said.

 Not sure if I'm agreeing with others but I meant it.

About that Zander thing I talked abou before:

In # 51 AJ said that my post was weird. In the next post Zander asked him why. AJ said it felt random and Zander's answer was then "fair enough". He then dropped it. Later when others talked about it he started to question AJ about it again. Like he hadn't dropped it already.

 

What you said is pretty much verbatim to what others had said.

 

 

I did say it was fair at that point and I did go back and did a reread and questioned it. Its not like once more stuff comes up things that may not have seemed like something at the time can actually be something?

 

What exactly bother you about this and what is current read on me?

I'm trying to see if there is, and if so what kind, of link there is between you and AJ. Right now he is more suspicious than you. Can't say anything but null about you before I know AJ's alignment. Not that I will say that you will be x if AJ is Y, but I will see what I think then.

[Hallia]

What do we gain from lynching Dice? What info?

[Lenlo]

Will not vote: Yates, Zander, Leelou, Dice, Tina, Turin

 

Probably will not vote unless someone changes my mind: AJ

 

Null: Thane, Verb

 

Could vote: Nolder/Lenlo

You have Thane and Verb null, fine. Saying you could vote Nolder or I says you find us wolfy. But now I'm null? But I'm reminding you of a wolf game?

[Zander?]

It's hard to understand a Hally.

 

But its not hard to love one imo!!!

 

<3 <3 <3

 

Honestly that was a pretty weak "catch up" imo.

 

Weak is a bit harsh imo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mostly that.

 

 

 

 

Do it.

 

Don't tell me what to do!!!!

 

@Nolder - Tina did address your vote fwiw.

 

That said its a wagon I could potentially get behind.

 

Did you have a reason to suss Tina or is this just to start a wagon?

 

 

This bothered me, and subsequent posts have made it worse.  (not for you, Z)

 

 

 

 

I'm not protecting Tina, I'm just making sure your facts are straight bro. Why would I join a wagon based on a case that isn't even factual?

 

I have explained already I had a light suss on Tina that isn't related to anything you're talking about. My current vote is on Verb and I'm waiting on some responses from him before I decide what I want to do from there.

 

I'm not sure I recall this.  I think your explanations came pouring in once Nolder started in on you.  At first I totally agreed with your initial stance on Nolder misreading Tina's post.......but the way you defended yourself seems a little....frantic.  You then pushed out in multiple directions in what looks to be an attempt to deflect attention elsewhere.

 

 

 

I want to see Nolder respond to my questions. That was a pretty bad mistake he made earlier and I know it's kind of his scum play to pull stuff like that. Act confused, etc.

 

I would agree with Nolder's scum play there, but he's explained how he misread Tina's post and how it wasn't clear for him.....and reading the exchange again, I can kinda see where he's coming from.

 

 

 

Summary:  I've got a town lean on Nolder and based on his responses, a scum lean on AJ.  I feel like Zander had some of the same observations that I did when I read through, but I haven't landed on a read for him yet.

 

 

[v]AJ[/v]

 

 

 

How is my post different than others in the game. For example Dice answer to my vote? 

 

hi Tina hugs  hows u?

 

 

Do i have to lynch you this game?

 

Why did you decide to vote me?

 

 

Here is the post from Tina that Nolder misread.  While I know it was literally the next post, she does ask the question directly after quoting Dice.....so I can understand Nolder missing that.

 

Honestly this looks to me like Nolder casing AJ based on something that wasn't actually true, but AJ responding in a way that exposed himself.

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty random.

 

Like idk why she would want his analysis on me specifically atp?

 

Or why it came up in general

 

 

 

Just generally kind of a weird topic to bring up.

 

Someone else asked why? So I don´t have to. 

 

Pretty random.

 

Like idk why she would want his analysis on me specifically atp?

 

Or why it came up in general

 

I was talking to Dice and I remember him saying that he could read you well and managed to catch you as mafia after just one post. There are several people in this game that are good at reading each other and I think it´s good to hear what they have to say. 

 

current spot reads

 

Leelou Town 

 

Aj  probably town

 

So here is the first impression. I´ll see what you think later. (I had thought I would wake up to more pages and more to judge from. Not that I´m complaining, fewer pages will make it easier for me to play.)

 

 

 

 

[v]Tina[/v]

 

Cuz I feel like it. 

 

 

*hugs Leelou*

 

Cuz I feel like it. 

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty random.

 

Like idk why she would want his analysis on me specifically atp?

 

Or why it came up in general

I was talking to Dice and I remember him saying that he could read you well and managed to catch you as mafia after just one post. There are several people in this game that are good at reading each other and I think it´s good to hear what they have to say.

Fair response. I just found it strange to ask about me only at that time.

 

And ftr, I was actually a SK in that game

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Verb lays out some pretty good arguments.  But my initial and continuing read on AJ compels me to believe he is still town.

 

 

 

The mean green jelly bean avi is out!!!

 

Poutine Lover means serious business!!!!

 

How am I floating?  I'm putting reads out, backing my opinions up with quotes where applicable, and actually taking a stance on subjects.  This is not floating.

 

I agree here,  I dont think she's floating at all.  The more active Hallia is the more likely shes Town imo.

[Lenlo]

What do we gain from lynching Dice? What info?

I'm not voting Dice for info, I'm voting him cause he doesn't seem towny. Info is secondary.

[Hallia]

 

Will not vote: Yates, Zander, Leelou, Dice, Tina, Turin

 

Probably will not vote unless someone changes my mind: AJ

 

Null: Thane, Verb

 

Could vote: Nolder/Lenlo

You have Thane and Verb null, fine. Saying you could vote Nolder or I says you find us wolfy. But now I'm null? But I'm reminding you of a wolf game?

In my catch up postings, I have you as null.

[Hallia]

 

What do we gain from lynching Dice? What info?

I'm not voting Dice for info, I'm voting him cause he doesn't seem towny. Info is secondary.

Fair enough. We will have to agree to disagree.

[Hallia]

That's right Zander! Town Hally is on the prowl!

[Lenlo]

Well in your tl;Dr you have me as vote worthy and then call me wolfy based on previous games.

 

Why is my null worse than Thane or verbs? I'm curious.

[Niniel]

 

 

I never made a full blown case on Dice. I have mentioned in multiple places that he is off though and doesn't feel like town!Dice. He's more neutral which isn't good. Also a number of his posts have just been weird to me. Like the Zander joke.

So this is what you don't like, Hally?

She's already stated what she doesn't like. That it apparently came from "nowhere"

Okay. I feel like I have focused on other things. I understand a vote on Dice. Whether your vote on him came from nowhere or not I don't know right now.

[Hallia]

Well in your tl;Dr you have me as vote worthy and then call me wolfy based on previous games.

 

Why is my null worse than Thane or verbs? I'm curious.

Thane because I don't have enough from him to do anything with. Verb because he is making points that I understand.

[Andrej]

Indirectly AJ with his post about being able to vote Tina. It felt like he was waiting for more of a train to build before switching. 

 

I have to go now, I'll try to check back in later.

 

That's a nice way to throw shade.

 

I have been extremely consistent with my view on Tina, regardless of if I voted her or not. I can't force a better read unless I have more content and at the time I said that all we had was our small exchange.

 

I also explained that I was waiting on Verb to come back so we could interact more because he was starting to approach scum territory for me with the type of posts he was producing.

[Niniel]

What do we gain from lynching Dice? What info?

I guess we are voting who we think is mafia? Why do you think that Dice is town?

[Hallia]

AJ, how do you feel on Tinas catch up?

[Verbal32]

What do we gain from lynching Dice? What info?

 

In my opinion, literally nothing outside of his own alignment.  I don't think it would produce leads on other players.

 

 

 

 

 

Will not vote: Yates, Zander, Leelou, Dice, Tina, Turin

 

Probably will not vote unless someone changes my mind: AJ

 

Null: Thane, Verb

 

Could vote: Nolder/Lenlo

You have Thane and Verb null, fine. Saying you could vote Nolder or I says you find us wolfy. But now I'm null? But I'm reminding you of a wolf game?

 

 

I think this is a good point.

[Hallia]

 

What do we gain from lynching Dice? What info?

I guess we are voting who we think is mafia? Why do you think that Dice is town?

As I said in my catch up, he is,coming across as town. The push thing on Zander I don't think was a push, merely joking from our recent battletank games

[Andrej]

AJ, how do you feel on Tinas catch up?

She is progressively getting better the more she digs in.

[Zander?]

Turin asked how my reevaluation of Dice is different from yours on me, unless I misunderstood.

 

I.E. - from Turin's POV how is mine not scummy and yours is?

 

I think that's a pretty spot on comment from his outside perspective and it makes me town read him a little more.

 

I see.  So with this in mind...you still think im scummy?

 

 

 

Then stop pussy footing and give one.

I think by now you should have one, one way or another.

 

Why should I have one by now?  You havent been normal Boss Town!AJ self atp.

 

I dont know if that necessarily make you scum or not yet as you havent played here in awhile.

 

But I will do as you ask

 

AJ- ???

 

 

But tbh I have some concerns and reservations.  I dont think youve been overly Towny or overly Scummy.  AJ are you 3rd party perhaps?

Ill have a reads list after i get a chance to go back over things.

Did you mention the boss townAJ thing before Yates brought up that he thinks AJ isn't aggressive enough?

 

 

I dont recall but is that even relevant.  I dont fully associate Boss AJ with aggressive AJ.  I associate Boss AJ with, town telling quite clearly, making astute points and observations that i can follow and agree with and making solid reads,

 

Is there a point to your question?

[Verbal32]

 

Indirectly AJ with his post about being able to vote Tina. It felt like he was waiting for more of a train to build before switching. 

 

I have to go now, I'll try to check back in later.

That's a nice way to throw shade.

 

I have been extremely consistent with my view on Tina, regardless of if I voted her or not. I can't force a better read unless I have more content and at the time I said that all we had was our small exchange.

 

I also explained that I was waiting on Verb to come back so we could interact more because he was starting to approach scum territory for me with the type of posts he was producing.

 

 

1.  I don't think you were as consistent as you think you were (i.e. the "fair" discussion we had).

 

2.  So you didn't like my opening posts in the game, that's cool.  Now that we're in full swing, what is your revised (if any) opinion?

[Thane Vakarian]

 

In general, not feeling too bad, so prolly town in my head, are the following people: AJ, Turin, Nolder, Zander, Dice.

Great. I only disagree with the people in red.  

 

I don't understand how you have ANY of those 4 in your Town pile based on the current game state never mind ALL four.  Like, I think all 4 of them will admit in thread that they aren't playing to their usual meta.  I know Zander, for one, has already stated as much in thread and AJ and Dice more or less hinted at it as well.

 

So, uh, can you expand on these Town reads a bit?  For a friend?

 

quick reply here, before catching up. Nolder seems town to me here. Reacts well to questions and all, no worries about him so far;  Zander is ok, I'd be surprised if he'd be wolf. Dice is interacting well, so not on the radar at all, for the moment.

 

Now, I see the comments about AJ, but I don't feel it's enough to see him scummy for it. Slight town lean still, but not clearing him 100%. Not very possible D1 anyways.  

[Andrej]

That discussion is borderline semantics, Verb. I have explained what I meant and in my nearly immediate follow up discussion with Turin I maintain that I'm still suspicious of it. Check for yourself if you want.

 

I have you as town currently, which I stated earlier before I took my vote off you.

[Zander?]

I never made a full blown case on Dice. I have mentioned in multiple places that he is off though and doesn't feel like town!Dice. He's more neutral which isn't good. Also a number of his posts have just been weird to me. Like the Zander joke.

 

 

I agree with the Dice thing but bad reads arent ALWAYS scummy,  I mean just in my own case look back my last couple games.

 

Len what is it exactly about Hally thats bothering you?

[Andrej]

Zander I would appreciate your opinions on the player list in full.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Will not vote: Yates, Zander, Leelou, Dice, Tina, Turin

 

Probably will not vote unless someone changes my mind: AJ

 

Null: Thane, Verb

 

Could vote: Nolder/Lenlo

Please expand on Tina and Lenlo and Turin.

 

Tina and Turin I have a hard time reading. I have a hard time reading Nolder as well but I can get where thats coming from. And Lenlo's catchup has been pretty alright imo

Tina: With the whole thing regarding Nolder, I feel like it was misdirection on his part. She reads as town to me in her catch ups as well.

 

Turin - His posts have been logical and reasonable, I get where he is coming from.

 

Lenlo - Mainly disagree on the Dice vote. I think Dice is town, and with what I've seen from Lenlo this game, it is reminding me of his scum game.

Explain how? Cause I don't think I've had a wolf game with you in a good while.

 

 

Hallia was in both Matrix and GnD.