[Basic]: Friends Mafia

[LilyElizabeth]

Yes. My post that you're referencing was pretty close to the beginning, too, iirc.

[Eldrick4221]

@Sooh How do you feel about Zander?

[Sooh]

 

Can you point out to me what posts by Eldrick that made you leery before this point? I'm also not entirely sure what you mean by the rest. Does it mean anything directly in relation to this game?

Red, I sort of covered both of these on the last page and a half. #22 and #24. The first didn't sit right with me, and I couldn't put a finger on why at the time, but I explained it on re-read. I've been taking issue with the business of calling out my headache comment all game.

 

Blue, Turin dropped a second vote, Zander didn't like the idea of two votes on a player that early,  I explained why it didn't bother me.

 

Ok, I see what you're saying about the red. 

 

The blue: I'm prolly unnecessarily slow here, but you kind of explained by way of a hypothetical scenario?

[Sooh]

 

 

 

 

If you read someone as null then you DO NOT KNOW that person is NOT MAFIA.

 

5 to lynch means 2 votes is not gonna cause a lynch. most likely scenario is 2 mafia so need at least one more town player to vote him before that could even be a possibility.

 

someone is gonna eventually get two votes, what difference does it make if it is now or later?

Of course not. All it means is Sooh is probably not your teammate. Both voting someone at the beginning is a risky move.

 

Your reasoning is crap, though. I'm pointing out my side of it so it doesn't build on its own.

 

Is Sooh exactly null to you at present?

Do you think it is riskier to make the first vote or the second in this circumstance?

why is my reasoning "mother's milk in a cup"? 

Why do you not want to have a train build up? Again it will have to happen sooner or later. Is it "too early" to play or is it because it is on Thane?

 

 

 

 

At the time, yes, I thought she was null. I read her vote as a joke vote, and joke votes are null.

I think the second vote is riskier. I've already covered this. You voting someone with an existing vote was the issue.

I actually don't remember why I thought this. I may have not read the spoiler. After looking over it again, I see your point that it looks like he has TMI.

I'm not against the idea of a train building up. I just thought it was building up too quickly. There was barely any discussion and someone already had 2 votes. It had nothing to do with who was being voted.

 

This post is sort of backtracking what has been a discussion for most of the game up to here. Why not clarify this earlier? 

 

Why would I clarify it before I changed my mind? After I did, I went back to reread and noticed the post.

 

Ok, fair enough I guess. 

[Sooh]

Yes. My post that you're referencing was pretty close to the beginning, too, iirc.

Yup. I'm rereading. 

 

@Sooh How do you feel about Zander?

I'm in the process of rereading the game right now, but so far on my reread I feel like he's being pretty townie.

[Hallia]

Wait, I wasn't here when asked, just got on but I'm refusing to give a reason? Does not compute. At work on mobile,so I can't do much quoting, but I can respond in the now.

 

I am voting Lily for her gameplay and the quickness to unvote Eld. It's mainly gut, but she seems scummy to me.

[Sooh]

I'm trying to decide which is bugging me more.

Sooh's leaving her joke vote on, or Lily's possible overexplaining. Both are possible scum tells to me.

Can you revisit what of Lily's content that is overexplaining?

 

 

Would you find it more suspicious if she came back to play battle tanks but wasn't posting here?

 

This post was about Hallia, and just ftr I don't want to use information about out of the game occurrences as a reason for sussing anyone, at least not yet. I think it's slightly different if a person is clearly online and chatting and posting other places for extended periods of time and barely visits the game, but it would have to have happened for days before I was willing to take that into consideration. 

 

 

My single setup thought (first and last I'm going into this) 9 players, I expect 2 mafia as otherwise there is only 1 mislynch before lylo. 2 goons against a cop seems a very uphill struggle. 1 goon, and a GF feels more balanced.

 

Of course I don't mod so I could be totally wrong...LOL

 

/setup discussion from me. I don't wanna get baseball batted by Ithi on Valentine's Day.

 

 you Ithi     

 

I know turbos are slightly different, but the turbos I usually play on 2+2 has 9 players; 2 goons, 1 cop, 6 town.

 

A number of people have mentioned Lily's quick change of heart with regards to Eldrick (when she went from having him as WTL to actually voting him). I'm kind of assuming that she was in the middle of catch up while at the same time being current in the game, otherwise I'll agree that it looks odd. I tend to think that a scum!Lily probably would have waited a bit more before voting him, seeing as scums are generally more careful and would have probably thought it would look weird to post those two things so close together, but that's all WIFOM. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm gonna reread when I get to work today, cuz I can't mq on my phone and know I forgot some stuff I wanted to respond to.

 

Sooh's vote felt like a joke vote. It was null to me, and didn't feel at all like Sooh and Turin being on a team together. Someone pointed out that 2 votes matter when there's only 9 people (5 to lynch) and that is why I reacted so strongly to there already being 2 votes on someone. Felt like someone taking advantage of a vote vote to get closer to a lynch. I didn't read Turin's vote as a joke vote.

 

Irt my comment at shad. I know having a headache affects gameplay. I just didn't want to see you use it as an excuse to lurk.

This post feels scummy to me. It's as if he doesn't want attention. "Nothing to see here..."

 

WTV Eld today

I don't know if I'd call it "Nothing to see here", but I don't really like that post either. "Someone pointed out that 2 votes matter, so that's why I reacted so strongly" seems like an awkward excuse?

 

If you do want to vote Eld, why are you not voting Eld?

 

My vote wasn't a joke. Sooh's may have been. If Thane had gotten to say 4 votes and Sooh kept her vote on what would you be thinking then?

 

I vote who I think is mafia. I don't really care how many votes they have unless it is hammer or L-1.

 

Looking forward to what you gain from rereading.

Wait. Does this mean you already at that point thought Thane was mafia?

 

I thought that was clear that his vote was not a joke at that point?

 

The back and forth between Eld and Sooh is odd. Eld you really seem to be driving hard at Sooh for what is, to me, nothing too scummy? From recollection, Sooh does tend to put a joke vote out there and then just wait until she is ready to vote for whoever she wants. Your back tracking about Turin could be a townie thing to do, admitting you were wrong, but it could also be an effort to try and turn eyes away from you. I'm not ready to vote for you yet, but of everyone you seem the scummiest.

Thank you tab for giving me another perspective in how she plays. That's why I asked if this is something she normally does. I couldn't find proof of it in her recent games.

 

 

I can also see your point on how my backtracking on Turin could look bad. I'm not on a scum team with Thane again.

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[V]Thane [/v]

 

It's a bit strange to me how you voting Thane proves you're not on the scum team with him. 

 

 

Aaaand taking a break, because my lovely husband has made some lovely dinner for us! 

[LilyElizabeth]

Wait, I wasn't here when asked, just got on but I'm refusing to give a reason? Does not compute. At work on mobile,so I can't do much quoting, but I can respond in the now.

 

I am voting Lily for her gameplay and the quickness to unvote Eld. It's mainly gut, but she seems scummy to me.

 

I'll go back and quote it, but my unvoting Eld came after your vote. Wanna try again?

[Eldrick4221]

 

I'm trying to decide which is bugging me more.

Sooh's leaving her joke vote on, or Lily's possible overexplaining. Both are possible scum tells to me.

Can you revisit what of Lily's content that is overexplaining?

I answered this for Zander recently. I'll wait for you to catch up and see if you still have questions.

[Shad_]

Ok, I see what you're saying about the red. 

 

The blue: I'm prolly unnecessarily slow here, but you kind of explained by way of a hypothetical scenario?

I'm not sure where you're getting 'hypothetical'. Can you elaborate? Do you disagree with what I said?

[LilyElizabeth]

 

 

I will join Eld and 

 

Vote: Lily

 

For the moment this is where I am happy.

 

 

 

Your AtE worked on me, Eld. It seemed very townie. 

 

Unvote

 

 

Lily, you were awfully quick to jump off of Eld

 

 

AtE - Appeal to Emotion

[LilyElizabeth]

Hallia, you had posts after being asked why you voted me that didn't address it. Would you like me to pull those up too? 

 

So why did you originally vote me, please?

[Eldrick4221]

Probably not a Lily/Hally team. Not excluding the possibility ofc.

 

That was a good point Lily. Not feeling good about Hally right now.

[Eldrick4221]

Hally's agreeing with me felt like it could be pocketing (I said as much at the time). Then she voted the person that was already gaining suspicion, without a reason. When asked for why she voted Lily, her only response has been Lily's unvote. She has mentioned it twice, but it can't be a valid reason as it happened after she voted.

 

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[v]Hally[/v]

[Sooh]

 

 

I'm trying to decide which is bugging me more.

Sooh's leaving her joke vote on, or Lily's possible overexplaining. Both are possible scum tells to me.

Can you revisit what of Lily's content that is overexplaining?

I answered this for Zander recently. I'll wait for you to catch up and see if you still have questions.

 

Oki. I'll look at it. Can you quote for reference so I remember later?

 

 

Ok, I see what you're saying about the red. 

 

The blue: I'm prolly unnecessarily slow here, but you kind of explained by way of a hypothetical scenario?

I'm not sure where you're getting 'hypothetical'. Can you elaborate? Do you disagree with what I said?

 

I neither agree nor disagree with that part. I was just having a problem finding out if what you were saying pointed to anyone in this game in particular being scummy for their actions or if you were just illustrating your point. (hypothetical in this case meaning you were illustrating). Sure it's done a lot, but discussing what scum and town would/wouldn't do is rather wifom IMO.

[Turin Turambar]

 

Z, they both claimed character and role. I don't care about the characters TBH. They gave the names but I did not get the impression either of them thought it was an automatic clear for giving them. In both those games you were claiming like your character in one and your PM colour in the other AUTOMATICALLY LOCK CLEARED YOU AS TOWN. That isn't what either of them did. They gave the info and went about their business (or can you show me where either of them did). You are trying to compare apples and oranges.

 

If you don't have Thane as Town why do you seem so adamant to not believe anything bad of him? Did you ever read him and give thought like I asked for earlier?

 

So before it was me and Shad and now it is me and Lily. It seems you are very convinced I am mafia. If you are so sure why are you still voting Lily?

First Bold- http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-game-over-town-wins/?p=3604646

 

"I don't like Z soft character claiming for no good reason in a game that the MOD has said mafia have fake claims. In this sort of case I would expect one of the fakes yo be a major character otherwise what is the point?"

 

Wanna try that again please?

 

Second Bold- When did I say or imply that at all Turin? All I said was that I disagree with you that it was a Slip.

 

Third Bold- I wanted to see your response to my claim question. I read you wrong last game and tunneled you very hard., same with Sooh, Im readjusting a bit to try and see more before going #FULLZANDER. But fair enough point

 

[v] Unvote [/v]

 

[v] Turin [/v]

Zander, this game is not the same as the supernatural game. This is IMO a vanilla game most likely. Also the manner they claimed and IMO motivation for why they claimed was very different from yours in the other game. They both merely claimed in a normal manner when being run up. Lily is right she was at L-2(i think Eldrick was also). [bTW, sorry Lily you did not claim early] You posted a picture of your character and posted under it something like probably important. You then tried to use that to force an automatic town read because you claimed a major character. So different reaction to different situation.

 

You implied that you were reading Thane town by your reactions to every question I (and I believe others) asked about him. Your most common responses were MEH I think.

 

If you can't see how the circumstances are different, I don't know what to tell you.

[Eldrick4221]

I was at L-2 FWIW

[LilyElizabeth]

Hallia, I apologize. I can't find a post where you were asked your reason for voting me and then you coming on afterward. I either remember it wrong, or I just can't find it. 

[LilyElizabeth]

Updated reads list:

 

1. Thane – Upon ISO, I see that he and I think some of the same things. Town lean.
2. Shad – post #58 feels town. Need to ISO
3. Sooh – liking her posts so far. She seems to be thinking and honestly scum hunting
4. Hallia – scum lean. Really don’t like the vote with no explanation. Not liking her explanation.

5. Zander – Not sure. Want him to be town, but null for now
6. Eldrick – His meltdown felt like frustrated townie to me. Town
7. Lily – utterly townie
8. Taborline – null. Not much content yet
9. Turin – Not sure yet. He’s very focused on Thane. Tunneling may be his style. 

[Shad_]

Hally's agreeing with me felt like it could be pocketing (I said as much at the time). Then she voted the person that was already gaining suspicion, without a reason. When asked for why she voted Lily, her only response has been Lily's unvote. She has mentioned it twice, but it can't be a valid reason as it happened after she voted.

 

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[v]Hally[/v]

If you ignore the "for her gameplay" part, which is intensely vague but still out there.   Lily's engaging her on the matter, which I rather like.  I agree that Hallia isn't looking so hot right now, think it's rather odd that you're hopping onto her without seeing where the conversation goes when your previous vote was on Lily.

[Eldrick4221]

Person I'm feeling most towny about atp is Turin. Shad is also up there.

 

Sooh has mentioned Tab being very diplomatic this game, and I tend to agree. It's making me not able to take her out of null.

Sooh is in null right now, as my reason for thinking she could be scum has been debunked, pending a scum flip on Tab.

 

I have reason to suspect Lily and Hally, as mentioned recently, but don't think they are on a team together.

I don't like how Zander is treating Turin's view of Thane. Still want to know why he has a problem with someone seeing Thane as scum if he has Thane at null, which is what he seems to be saying he does.

Thane hasn't done much to make me think he's town. That combined with his possible slip at the beginning of the game puts him in my WTL

[Eldrick4221]

Hallia, I apologize. I can't find a post where you were asked your reason for voting me and then you coming on afterward. I either remember it wrong, or I just can't find it. 

Oh she was asked. I remember it too. I'll go look.

[Hallia]

 

Wait, I wasn't here when asked, just got on but I'm refusing to give a reason? Does not compute. At work on mobile,so I can't do much quoting, but I can respond in the now.

 

I am voting Lily for her gameplay and the quickness to unvote Eld. It's mainly gut, but she seems scummy to me.

I'll go back and quote it, but my unvoting Eld came after your vote. Wanna try again?

GAMEPLAY AND

[Eldrick4221]

 

Hally's agreeing with me felt like it could be pocketing (I said as much at the time). Then she voted the person that was already gaining suspicion, without a reason. When asked for why she voted Lily, her only response has been Lily's unvote. She has mentioned it twice, but it can't be a valid reason as it happened after she voted.

 

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[v]Hally[/v]

If you ignore the "for her gameplay" part, which is intensely vague but still out there.   Lily's engaging her on the matter, which I rather like.  I agree that Hallia isn't looking so hot right now, think it's rather odd that you're hopping onto her without seeing where the conversation goes when your previous vote was on Lily.

 

I go with what I think is the most likely scum. Hally's lying about her reason to vote is a bigger reason in my book.

[Hallia]

What? Where did I lie?