[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

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@Zander

[Zander?]

BG, Eldrick and Zander. Need to get this done

 

 

Im not Scum dude.

 

I agree 100% on BG and Eld tho

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BG, Eldrick and Zander. Need to get this done

Why BG?

[Zander?]

So you think on Day 1 that we had 4 trains on town?

 

 

@Zander

 

 

What?

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So you think on Day 1 that we had 4 trains on town?

 

 

@Zander

 

 

What?

 

Day 1 we had votes on you, Thane, Sooh, Nolder

 

I'm assuming you're not calling yourself mafia?

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Pral, where's your town read on Thane coming from?

[Pralaya]

 

BG, Eldrick and Zander. Need to get this done

 

 

Im not Scum dude.

 

I agree 100% on BG and Eld tho

 

If you are actually town, then tell me this.

 

BG and Eld made a counter train on Thane against Turin. Does this look like distancing to you?

 

If not, who is the deep-wolf. Was Eld the only scum in Nolder train? Other than me and Thane, that leaves Alanna, Nyn, BFG and Lily. Who is it?

[Zander?]

 

Day 1 we had votes on you, Thane, Sooh, Nolder

 

I'm assuming you're not calling yourself mafia?

 

 

Its possible I guess.  I know Im not Scum we know about Sooh and Nol and I dont think Im wrong on Thane.

 

I mean even myself included other then Thane early we were all somewhat Scummy.  Thats something the wolves could exploit without much worry imo.

[Zander?]

 

 

BG, Eldrick and Zander. Need to get this done

 

 

Im not Scum dude.

 

I agree 100% on BG and Eld tho

 

If you are actually town, then tell me this.

 

BG and Eld made a counter train on Thane against Turin. Does this look like distancing to you?

 

If not, who is the deep-wolf. Was Eld the only scum in Nolder train? Other than me and Thane, that leaves Alanna, Nyn, BFG and Lily. Who is it?

 

 

I could see how that would look like it.

 

Im not saying Thane cant be scum I just dont think he is. 

 

Eldrick and BG imo....if BG isnt Sum then Thane more then likely is.

 

Eldrick>BG

 

Can I answer the deep wolf question come start of day?  It prolly answers your other question for you.

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Nevermind BFG.

[Nynaeve]

And yet you say Zander is town. Even now.

:facepalm

 

Yep. I think he's town.

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I actually don't really wanna lynch Eldrick or lily or nyn right now. I COULD, but I don't feel that's the best course of action. Also pral, kinda null but not scummy. BG and BFG are both iffy. The others can be burned with fire.

So Turin/Thane?..

 

Why the change in heart on me?

[Zander?]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Nolder(7): Alannalynn, Nynaeve, Sooh, Zander, Eldrick, Lily, Nolder

Sooh(1): Pralaya

Thane(2): BFG, bgrishinko

Zander(1): Turin

 

Not Voting: Thane

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

 

That's a lyyyyyyyyyyynch.

 

 

Vote Count

 

Turin(6): Zander, Nynaeve, alannalynn, Pralaya, Eldrick, Lily

Eldrick(1): Thane

Thane(1): bgrishinko

Lily(1): Turin

 

Not Voting: BFG

 

That's a lynch!

 

Common people on Both Lynches

 

Zander

Nyn

Alanna

Pral- Wasnt on both lynches but was on one of them and on another confirmed Town not lynched atp.

Lily

Eld

 

IMO Eldrick is a wolf as my list is in order from I know im Town to most likely scum.

 

BG voted Thane both lynches

 

Turin voted me D1 and Lily D2

 

Thane missed voting on D1 Lynch

 

BFG missed voting D2 Lynch

 

 

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I don't really care if I sound like a broken record or not at this point.

 

Thane is likely mafia.

 

Case incoming

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what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

??? With regards to what?

 

the voting done by people... i'm still trying to figure out what happened and what triggered it....

 

Commenting, but isn't taking stances, not such a problem by itself but...

 

 

I'll spoiler this, just to avoid the HUGE WoT that's coming:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

??? With regards to what?

 

the voting done by people... i'm still trying to figure out what happened and what triggered it....

 

Any success?

 

for me, not really, no. I've read over it a few times, but it still makes my head hurt. I'll definately look back at it once we have a flip or two though, maybe it'll all come together then.

 

Something about the whole Lily exchange with Zander, Nolder voting Lily for it and unvoting her with just an explanation from her. And, Alanna being dragged into it by Sooh. There is definitely a bad one in this exchange,

definately? don't know. But highly possible. But, as said above, i think it's a good thing to look back after some flips. Then it'd make more sense.

 

Day 1 is a whole 'nother ball game when you don't know people's meta. It's kind of refreshing actually. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what happened the past two pages? Temporary insanity? Reads like it, sheesh.

??? With regards to what?

 

 

This is a question that needs answering. Also high five on the avatar. 

 

I like Sooh's approach here. She doesn't know anything about me or my meta. So she pokes at me to learn more. Day 1 is all about the subtle pokes and seeing how people react. Underreactions and over reactions are the only meat we really have to go on. 

 

@Turin - I noticed the same soft claim thing but was kind of sitting on it to see if Zander was going to bring it up again or make a big deal out of it again. It always is fishy to me when people bring up claims so early either way, but not knowing meta wasn't sure what to make of it.

 

I think I'm willing to [v]Zander [/v] for now for this reason. Good as any at this point.

 

bolded: I did answer, and came back to it earlier this post.  purple: agreed, but there's subtle poking and poking with jackhammers. Both give reactions, surely, but poking with jackhammers is extreme. 

 

 

BFG / BG avis are killing me. I demand BFG switch back.

 

I'll be back, I need a shower because I'm gross.

It's worse because BFG's avi is a G clef, while BG's is an F clef

 

someone knows their music *approves*

 

 

Do we always get into real content this quickly on DM now.

 

I miss the foreplay

 

It used to be all fun and games D1 and maybe half a day of 'real play' just before DL. Those times are seemingly dead and buried indeed. But, in this game, i like the lower postcount mixed with high content. It makes games fun and easier to read.

 

Loving the avis for this game

Personally, they confuse me... but i'll manage.

 

 

Player Roster:

 

1. Turin

2. Zander

3. Sooh

4. Nolder

5. Laine

6. Nyn

7. Pral

8. Eldrick

9. Lily

10. Thane

11. BGrishinko

12. BFG

 

These were dark times, alright, but the Winchesters were used to it. With good friends, good weapons, and more stubbornness than was natural, they would rid the world of the demons who terrorized innocent people. The only problem was, they could look like anyone. It was time to do some hunting.

 

It is now Day One! A deadline has been set for Thursday, February 4^th at 1pm. (I fly out at 5pm, so I wanted to make certain I would be here.)

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

 

Open for interpretation?

 

the bolded? mods put anything in there, and i don't know if they hint at anything in their opening posts. Anything is open for interpretation, but if it would do any good? I dunno. Mods will mod

 

Clearly not. Just not directly with what I was paying attention to, apparently.

 

My bad. [unvote]

 

Back to trying to sleep.

Eldrick confirmed not paying attention, lol

 

Probably lookin something like this:

 

Alanna

Zander

BFG

Turin

Thane

bgrishinko

Pralaya

Nyn

Lily

Nolder

Sooh

Eldrick

 

If you want explanations, I'm just going to YOLO really quick. I've explained my thoughts on Zander, even with his changes I believe he is town, but I probably wouldn't lynch him today regardless because I want more of a sample from him. Anyways, he's town slotted. BFG is feeling more BFG than in Clov's game, which is a strange thing to say but I wasn't really reading her as town last game and here I am feeling a lot better about her. Turin has been providing thoughts and I've mostly liked what he's had to say, I've also enjoyed his pushes and the reasoning behind them. Thane is skating by on his early excitement, but I want MOAR to get a stronger read either way. BG would be my weakest town read since it's based purely on gut at this point, so we'll see what happens there as well. Of course Pralaya is purely null- I don't see any extra activity from him even with a smaller page count so I'd really like for him to get in here and give us his thoughts. Nyn is null for me as well, there are some things I'm looking for from her which I haven't seen so I don't feel comfortable calling her town. Lily is there for her vote thing, Nolder for his, and an overall weirdness. Plus Nolder is pinging for trying to buddy me and an overall gut-scum feeling. Sooh is all over the place and it's frustrating because I don't know what is due to sickness or what could be scummy, so I'll wait for her to improve. She definitely doesn't feel like town!Sooh at this point. Eldrick is different from his normal weird and not in a good way. I agree that some of his posts feel forced and he seems to be posting more jokes than content at this point when I would prefer the opposite especially when some are making an extra effort to tone it down.

Actually, not a bad list at all. I'm here at this point:

 

Thane

Turin

Alanna

BFG

Zander

bgrishinko

Nyn

Pralaya

 

 Sooh

Lily

Nolder

Eldrick 

 

 

The order would be "most likely to be town to least likely to be town" at this point. I'm really liking Turin so far. Zander,  who i am slowly starting the figure out (the lolololol-guy was easier to read imo, but whatever), is in the town pile for now. Though early softclaiming and all, not really a fan of it. Eldrick, at this point, looking worst of all. Nolder's play gives me a little tingle when reading it. not going to put him to the townie folk, slight wolfie lean. all the other people? If you're black, i still need some time to figure you out, so you're null, for now. You're green without comment? I like the tone and/or gameplay so far

 

 

 

 

I'll be around some, working this night (been nearly 2 years since i had my last nightshift, ugh)

 

 

Unreasoned stances - at this point the only one given a reason for anything outside 'tone' is Eldrick who 'isn't paying attention'

 

Unreasoned stances are more likely from mafia! Thane, typically town! Thane will have a few reads Day 1, but you'll know what they are before they're stated. There may be a few tone reads, but 8 reads, 7 of which he can't explain?

 

But specifically this is when he gets 'serious' in thread yet everything he responds to is a joke (other than reads).

 

 

 

I can, yes.

 

ohh... 

 

wait a sec... 

 

you want me to? Ok, that works:

 

Overall, i like Turin's involvement in the game. Questioning, poking, investigating. He's 99.9% town imo this game. When questioned, he does try to explain, in his best way, the point he wanted to make. 

Sooh: I don't know. I can't point a finger and say 'town' or 'wolf'. I'll give her some time to get better and perhaps I'll be able to read her better later on in the game.

Nolder: As i said, it's a feeling at the back of my mind when reading his posts this game. Spidey sense, sorta. It's not a full blown wolf-accusation yet, but he's on my radar for now

 

Joking off a question asking him to expand reads is more likely from mafia!Thane

 

 

Thane, can you please expand on all these reads?

I wish i could. I explained what reads i had in my post. The problem i have is the same as in every single game i play in: i need a flip, or two, to start connecting dots. I dislike D1, cause it's more or less shooting blind. I work with tone a lot early game. Also, i just had 3 hours of sleep after working all night, and I need coffee right now.

 

@Turin: I'd say it would be normal if I interact with the people I am online with at a certain time of day. Unfortunately, I can't stay awake 24/7 and interact with everybody. Sorry about that. *hands a cookie*

 

People linking Laine and Zander.... As far as I can tell, they interact well every single game they play in together, so I don't know if that would be a scumtell for either of them to be honest. The fact that players are commenting on it is interesting and should be kept in mind for a later stage in the game.

 

I'm not fit today, and have some errands to run (silly paperwork andpick up my new cosplay outfit) Feel like a trainwreck so probably not as active today. Trying to stay awake to not mess up my biorhythm completely is hard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thane, can you please expand on all these reads?

I wish i could. I explained what reads i had in my post. The problem i have is the same as in every single game i play in: i need a flip, or two, to start connecting dots. I dislike D1, cause it's more or less shooting blind. I work with tone a lot early game. Also, i just had 3 hours of sleep after working all night, and I need coffee right now.

 

@Turin: I'd say it would be normal if I interact with the people I am online with at a certain time of day. Unfortunately, I can't stay awake 24/7 and interact with everybody. Sorry about that. *hands a cookie*

 

People linking Laine and Zander.... As far as I can tell, they interact well every single game they play in together, so I don't know if that would be a scumtell for either of them to be honest. The fact that players are commenting on it is interesting and should be kept in mind for a later stage in the game.

 

I'm not fit today, and have some errands to run (silly paperwork andpick up my new cosplay outfit) Feel like a trainwreck so probably not as active today. Trying to stay awake to not mess up my biorhythm completely is hard.

 

The order would be "most likely to be town to least likely to be town" at this point. I'm really liking Turin so far. Zander, who i am slowly starting the figure out (the lolololol-guy was easier to read imo, but whatever), is in the town pile for now. Though early softclaiming and all, not really a fan of it. Eldrick, at this point, looking worst of all. Nolder's play gives me a little tingle when reading it. not going to put him to the townie folk, slight wolfie lean. all the other people? If you're black, i still need some time to figure you out, so you're null, for now. You're green without comment? I like the tone and/or gameplay so far

 

The above are your stated reasons, except they're not reasons saying you like Turin isn't a reason for liking him...

 

Would it surprise you if I told you that in the 5 games I ISOd last night that you have never had completely unreasoned leans Day 1 as town except GnD which you basically didn't play till end Day 2 and this includes games you were clearly struggling Toledo up?

 

Ok though, can you expand your read on Eldrick? He's scummiest for you, why?

 

I'm trying what i can this game, with the crazy schedule I have at work this week. Early shift, late shift, night shift in 3 days.It's messing with me, and i hope I'lll improve when i get a more regular pace at the job. It wouldn't surprise me, no. But, i saw people posting their leans, didn't fully agree with them and felt like sharing my leans this game so people would (hopefully) know how I was feeling about the players.

 

For Eldrick, without quotes: I don't like the tone of his game so far. I've mentioned him not paying attention twice (?) and I feel he's quite selective, if that makes sense. My spidey senses are tingling when I re-read his posts. Something is wrong here, but it'd be hard for me to point out a single or multiple posts at this point.

 

For both the above. Yes Thane ramps up, as both alignments. But this little engagement with the thread is far more likely from mafia! Thane

 

Generically despite all his words about 'hunting wolves' he's not doing any of that. I get that he's busy, but this isn't what busy! town! thane looks like.

 

 

 

TLDR: unengaged, non mafia hunting are far more likely from Mafia! Thane. If it will help then I can pull quotes from his most recent half dozen games (at a minimum) to show the difference between engaged town! Thane and unengaged mafia!Thane

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I can, yes.

 

ohh... 

 

wait a sec... 

 

you want me to? Ok, that works:

 

Overall, i like Turin's involvement in the game. Questioning, poking, investigating. He's 99.9% town imo this game. When questioned, he does try to explain, in his best way, the point he wanted to make. 

Sooh: I don't know. I can't point a finger and say 'town' or 'wolf'. I'll give her some time to get better and perhaps I'll be able to read her better later on in the game.

Nolder: As i said, it's a feeling at the back of my mind when reading his posts this game. Spidey sense, sorta. It's not a full blown wolf-accusation yet, but he's on my radar for now

 

 

Turin: I remember something about you commenting on me interacting with your top scum reads. Found it, it's in your reads list:

 

"10. Thane- mafia. I see all sorts of interaction between him and others I am suspicious of. Z and Laine have him as too high on their lists IMO. Eldrick may have spewed him maf. Plus his reaction to Eldrick and then my vote on him feels a bit of the same "don't engage and hope it goes away" that mafia will use on early votes. My only real concern is that it may be a case of mafia leaving him for a later mislynch. "

 

If your wolf leans are on when I am, and they're the only ones I could interact with.... I just wonder how that would automatically make me mafia too. It raises a few question marks in my little mind, if you can understand.

 

 

 

Zander (and I think BG) already touched on the discrepancy between his surefire read on Turin and the 'questions'

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3605779

 

First he has Turin back as a certain read

 

He also talks about his meta, he's right that he ramps up. But he normally does a better job of engaging his suspects

 

He doesn't vote, but given Nolder's one of two suspects he has, probably assume that's where he'd have voted.

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http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3606909

 

Already spoke about this in part, but essentially final orange bit.

 

"Zander tunnelling on a townie again"

 

If Thane's talking about Turin it smells of TMI, if Thane's talking about Nolder than he's taking a jab at Zander over past games, which isn't a very thane like thing to do.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3606924

 

Laine's vote

 

His read on Turin 2 is all over the place _ he has Sooh as frustrated town over N1, wants Turin to convince him he's town here, and is happy with a train on him, even though by thread Thane should have Turin 2 as null-town.

 

Worth noting that at this stage Thane STILL HASN'T ENGAGED HIS TOP MAFIA READ.

 

I don't really recall Eldrick ever challenging Thane's read, I'm not sure what to make of that yet.

 

Thane also hasn't challenged my read, told me I'm wrong, engaged me or done any of the things I'd expect town! Thane to do in this scenario.

 

It's possible Thane forgot his games with town players subbing in for mafia (technically only the Spaceballs game counts, as in AG Turin was a new player <3 so that was my mistake), but he remembers OUAT which was even longer ago, so... I'm not sure this means anything though, probably just forgetfulness.

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3607037 very certain that Turin 2 is going to flip town, despite being happy with his train earlier...

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3607426 essentially when I first read it I thought it was slightly townish, reading Day 2 through isn't particularly fun. But I think I'd expect more from Town! Thane "Nyn/Turin you're probably both Town lets hunt wolves' or something. I dunno, I think town Thane would intercede more in what he perceives as t/t violence. This is more lacklustre.

 

And here http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3607469 is reading me town, and ignoring my read on him, similarly with BG.

 

But the late day posting all generally falls into the 'too little too late' category.

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TLDR: Thane has been uncharacteristically unengaged pretty much all game despite early game 'enthusiasm'

 

Unreasoned reads Day 1 are more likely from mafia! Thane

 

Thane has made no attempt to engage Eldrick, his top suspect. He's made no effort to change my mind or tell me I'm wrong, or do any of the things I'd expect from town! Thane

 

He's essentially been under the radar all game. Pretty much everyone STILL has him as null, or isn't considering him as a suspect for reasons I don't understand.

 

Early town reads of Thane from other players, when challenged are unsubstantiated.

[Zander?]

@ BFG

 

Does a Thane Eld BG team make sense to you?

[LilyElizabeth]

It does to me

[LilyElizabeth]

I could switch out Pral for Eld, though. I'm really not sure of either of them. 

[LilyElizabeth]

Eldrick, who do you have for scum and why?

[Zander?]

It does to me

 

 

In what order Lily?

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@ BFG

 

Does a Thane Eld BG team make sense to you?

Not really

 

BG has been 'going' for Thane since Day1.

 

If Thane flips mafia, Laine and you need looking into more closely.

 

You've been defending Thane all game, he may have spewed you clear with his dig at you earlier, not sure, but you need looking at for it.

 

Laine doesn't have as many obvious links. She had him very high in her reads list, and couldn't substantiate it and backed down from it Night 1. Given she can't point to any posts that made her want to put him second strongest read I'm a bit dubious, and can't really decide how natural her re-evaluation looks.

 

Eldrick feels a little like a scapegoat. He seems to be being treated differently to a normal of people - you regarding the Lily/Eldrick explanation of your vote on Nolder - they said the same thing, the difference is that eLdrick called you scummy for it. Laine called Eldrick out for fluff by something like page 6 of her catch up. Yes his vote yesterday was awful, but he also spent most of Day 0 in Clov's game voting Zander because of something from sign-up/something Laine did. More worrying is how quiet he's become. AND Eldrick also isn't challenging Thane's read of him, the way he challenged Lily. I can see Eldrick as a possibility, I can also see him as the final mislynch needed for mafia to win

 

 

Nyn/Pral probably always town here. If Nyn's mafia she deserves the win as she's done more casing than anybody. I have #reasons to think Lily's town.

 

Pral if you're basing your Thane read on meta can you review Diablo, he's exhibiting extremely similar behaviours here to there. Buddying people who mafia read him instead of challenging. Avoiding contact with suspects. Avoiding Day 1 because he's 'bad' at Day 1 (which underestimates his game imo) when as town he doesn't, even when super busy.

 

Nyn/Pral should know, but you absolutely can't clear Zander through effort. He's an extremely high WIM person regardless of alignment.

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Fastest Laine ISO in the world

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3605474 doesn't make sense, she's confused over Lily including new information in her read?

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3605479 dodgy Thane post

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/96562-basic-supernatural-mafia-day-one/?view=findpost&p=3605480 Nolder vote for pressure... I still don't like Paine's reaction to being asked to expand her read here.

 

I don't really have time to do this properly

 

Worth noting her catch up posts are a little 'off' she nudges Eldrick for fluff content, ignores it for everyone else and essentially town reads Thane for it.

 

The key thing from Layne's ISO is that almost all of her none 'catch up posts' are reactionary. She responds to Turin/Lily suspicion of her. She responds to Sander about Sooh.

 

Talks about her 'feeling' with Nolder, but I don't see any efforts to explain the read beyond that the way Nyn did.

 

So when she says she's "SCUMHUNTING ALL OVER THE THREAD" I'm not really seeing it

 

And then she basically checks out after N1.

 

Talks about wanting a town core, but her 'town core' (Zander/Nyn) trust her, it's people she seems to be suspicious of that don't. I have literally asked her to explain a vote, and am probably the only person she thinks town not vocally town reading her, but nor have I come against her.

 

TLDR see the bolded above; none catch up posts are reactionary, she didn't engage Nolder, checked out Night 1.

 

 

I don't see why people have her clear at this point.