[Basic] Supernatural Mafia ~ Game Over ~ Town Wins!!!

[Turin Turambar]

I've already stated why I thought Turin 1.0 was nightkilled.

Quote it please.

[alannalynn]

Turin. Not understanding the reason to claim you're vt again. If you survive today, and you're town, the only thing you're doing is shrinking the pool for mafia.

he's probably mafia now ldo

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

Which is one of the reasons I am going easy on Sooh. She could have as well voted me and I don't think I would have been a difficult target. It doesn't absolve her but moves her slightly up.

But why? TownSooh would have gone for either you or Zander, because that's what her read list indicated. She backed off Zander cause she was getting negative attention, that's as clear as day. She said it was because no one was listening to her and he wasn't gonna be the lynch that day or ever so she was looking elsewhere... but that's false because a train of him was building later on and she never went back there. Why? That reads to me as someone who's worried that the negative attention would resurface if she did. And why not lean on you and figure out your slot if she was suspicious? She never did with the deadline still half a day or more away. I just don't get her vote on Nolder if she didn't find him scummy... and according to her very own read list? she didn't.

This is worth resolving. If sooh...I mean turin flips scum, then we probably have scum in Pral too.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Turin [/v]

[unvote]

 

Still willing to vote there. Want to slow the train down and hear from other people.

Just more awfulness from Eldrick

Missed this post. How is not wanting to rush a lynch awful?

[LilyElizabeth]

ISO on BG. I know this isn't what I said I was going to do today, but I found a gem that was worth bringing to light. 

 

 

 

Admission to sowing confusion on purpose Lily?

I found this strange in the first place. It was obvious I was joking. 

 

First off, the clef avatars are getting out of control. I love it.

 

@BFG #226

 

Somehow I missed Thane's response there about the voting.

 

Can't tell if Thane is joking or not in his response. Votes in day 1, especially first votes, are always a stretch or prod or a calculated strategy to gain information. Or a joke/sign of welcoming/goodwill what have you as Sooh said her vote on me was initially. So calling it insanity is either Thane joking around a litte, or trying to disparage the current voting methods/record. He doesn't look like he's joking in his response so it doesn't sit as a generally town thing to say at the moment, but I'd need to re-read those 2-3 pages in context to get a better idea why he might say that. 

 

Concerning Zander vote, Not sure what doesn't follow to you. I saw the claim hint so I was quiet about it. As I previously mentioned, once Turin brought it up into the spotlight I figured we better address it head on, therefore I made my prodding vote as early soft claims are suspicious in general to me. Good to know a little Zander meta. Some people like to role claim as early as possible every game. Led to rules in many games about having to wait 3-4 game days or near hammer to claim, it was ridiculous for a while.

 

 

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I like Sooh's approach here. She doesn't know anything about me or my meta. So she pokes at me to learn more. Day 1 is all about the subtle pokes and seeing how people react. Underreactions and over reactions are the only meat we really have to go on. 

 

@Turin - I noticed the same soft claim thing but was kind of sitting on it to see if Zander was going to bring it up again or make a big deal out of it again. It always is fishy to me when people bring up claims so early either way, but not knowing meta wasn't sure what to make of it.

 

I think I'm willing to [v]Zander [/v] for now for this reason. Good as any at this point.

 

So you dont believe I could be doing the same thing? 

 

You also said you were waiting for me to make a big deal about then when I still don't you vote me for it??

 

This reads pretty strangely to me.

 

Misrepresented: First in blue: I felt that Zander had cherry picked the fact that I mentioned he might make a big deal out of it and ignored the rest of the sentence in which I wondered whether he'd bring it up again. In green, then he asserts I voted him BECAUSE he didn't make a big deal out of it. I voted because it is fishy when people hint big claims too early especially when fake claims are in play. This is true regardless of whether he reacted or not. I just made my suspicion known publicly once it got brought into the lime light by Turin. Re-reading why I typed though I can understand the confusion as I don't think I conveyed that reason super clear. It does kind of look like the blue could have been the reason for the vote. So I retract the fact you misrepresented me. Looks like communication fail.

Last part of #226:

Me and Kivam? I don't remember Kivam's meta very well. Just checked and the last game I played I could find was the end of 2013 (HOLY CRAP, I could have sworn it was shorter time than that since I played last).

 

 

@Nolder, I didn't read it that way. Noted. So back to your vote on Alanna, did you vote her for in essence "nudging' at Z (or whoever it was)?

 

Z, what did you learn from your effort to gauge reactions? I personally don't see the sense in doing such a thing in a game that has been confirmed to have fake claims for mafia.

 

I didnt say I necessarily was engaging for reactions, I asked BG why he didnt feel like I couldnt be.  Most games if not all games have fake claims still doesnt mean its pointless to do so.

 

Going back to this again... Really the only reason to soft claim that early is to gauge reactions, so I believe that's exactly what you were doing. The question isn't whether you are gauging the reaction, but to what end. For good or for eeeeeevil? So pressure applied to learn more. In any case, this is starting to get to be a circular argument I think.

 

Also @Turin, come now. I personally find most early claim hints suspicious because more often than not they turn out to be mafia ploys in my experience, but you should know better to not see sense in doing such a thing. There are definitely some good reasons for town to do such a thing, but it seems that mafia tend to do it more.

 

This is an interesting concoction. Taco bell chicken gordita (no sour cream, add nacho cheese), with flaming hot cheetos added inside. anyone looking for something new to try, I would recommend.

Oreo's and American Eazy-Cheese (from the spray can). Also Wendy's Spicy Nuggets + Frosty dipping.

 

My take on BG. He will always make sense in what he says. He will always look reasonable in thread. He will fake claim as either alignment. It will generally have something in it that sounds too off to be made up. As town he will accept a lynch if he thinks it will forward the town solving and winning the game. I have never seen him use the fake "lynch me if you must" as mafia.

 

End of BG thoughts for those that may not have played with him before.

 

P.s. I.may be biased cause he killed.me twice in one day when I was just starting to play.

Ever since that game Turin has been my mafia kryptonite.

 

 

 

Only other thing I spotted that hasn't been brought up by others I think is:

 

One of the things that has bugged me so far was Lily's vote changes. I went back and ISO'd her. They do seem more fluid and towny in that light.

This seems like you are wanting people to be suspicious of Lily but don't want it to get tracked back to you. Reads to me like "Hey! Look! Lily is vote hopping! Now don't ask me any questions on why I brought this up. Cause she's hella town."

 

 

All said and done I'm willing to let the sleeping dog lie Z. Reactions have been generated and your responses have been noted. It'll come back up again later, but I feel better applying a little more pressure here: [unvote][v]Eldrich[/v]

 

Reason Turin was the nightkill? 

 

 

 

 

Overall, BG has been playing very middle of the road, trying not to draw attention his way. There are too many quotes to pull and they would be out of context anyway. I'd encourage you to ISO him, too, to check out what I'm seeing. He doesn't have that many posts. 

 

Vote BG

You have to look in the spoiler, but here you go, Turin. 

[alannalynn]

 

Turin1 was being town read by most everyone but I don't think he was a threat. Also I really don't like dead players replacing back in

And he never even asked to be. How about that?

 

Also Nolder is always off about something. Nyn says he cares more about points than helping. Perhaps that should go into how you read him, like the adjustments you make for others. Again, just saying.

[unvote] [v]turin[/v] I really don't need you to tell me how to play this stupid game

[Nynaeve]

Also Nolder is always off about something. Nyn says he cares more about points than helping. Perhaps that should go into how you read him, like the adjustments you make for others. Again, just saying.

 

I didn't lynch Nolder because he wasn't being helpful. I lynched him because he pinged and refused to give a read list, which I have seen him do in the past as scum because I once nailed his a$$ by analyzing the read list he left with a pretty neat plan of how to find his scummates. He's intimidated by it. Him self hammering and not at least allowing for the most information possible... and him not claiming... is all him being unhelpful. But at that point, it was too late anyhow. But sure, keep flapping your mouth.

 

I love how since you subbed in you're trying to make me look bad for Nol's lynch. Keep it coming. 

[Turin Turambar]

Turin1 was being town read by most everyone but I don't think he was a threat. Also I really don't like dead players replacing back in

You speaking for the entire mafia team? Why shoot a harmless townie over doc or cop hunting? Seems kinda -ev to me.

 

Also, if you have a problem with dead replacements then take it up with the MODS.

[Nynaeve]

Is anyone else noticing the change in Turin's tone?  Cause I think it's pretty evident.

[Eldrick4221]

I saw your response to my ISO. I didn't see anything in there that indicated you get a slight scum on me.

 

I saw a tinfoil question and pointing out topics that have been discussed.

 

You had a direct question to me about BG, which I answered.

[Nynaeve]

Trying to use the clout from his previous slot is the best part of it, really.

[LilyElizabeth]

I don't like the way he's going after those that are obv town to me. 

[LilyElizabeth]

I saw your response to my ISO. I didn't see anything in there that indicated you get a slight scum on me.

 

I saw a tinfoil question and pointing out topics that have been discussed.

 

You had a direct question to me about BG, which I answered.

My response to your ISO?

[Nynaeve]

He's eager.

[alannalynn]

I'm just straight up finding I can't stand his attitude and don't want to play anymore, but that's just me.

 

Sure turin, if you want to say that I'm speaking for the mafia team, sure. Apparently townies can't do what ifs because god forbid they ever think for themselves. Sorry, let me go back to playing simple mindedly again derrrrrr

[Nynaeve]

People that play with Turin. Does he seem to have a rand preference?  ie would you say he enjoys rolling town/scum more? Same?

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

Which is one of the reasons I am going easy on Sooh. She could have as well voted me and I don't think I would have been a difficult target. It doesn't absolve her but moves her slightly up.

But why? TownSooh would have gone for either you or Zander, because that's what her read list indicated. She backed off Zander cause she was getting negative attention, that's as clear as day. She said it was because no one was listening to her and he wasn't gonna be the lynch that day or ever so she was looking elsewhere... but that's false because a train of him was building later on and she never went back there. Why? That reads to me as someone who's worried that the negative attention would resurface if she did. And why not lean on you and figure out your slot if she was suspicious? She never did with the deadline still half a day or more away. I just don't get her vote on Nolder if she didn't find him scummy... and according to her very own read list? she didn't.

This is worth resolving. If sooh...I mean turin flips scum, then we probably have scum in Pral too.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Turin [/v]

[unvote]

 

Still willing to vote there. Want to slow the train down and hear from other people.

Just more awfulness from Eldrick

Missed this post. How is not wanting to rush a lynch awful?

 

 

Its the fact you vote then try to make a look that tries to make you seem towny.  It does you just continue to look bad.

[Nynaeve]

I'm just straight up finding I can't stand his attitude and don't want to play anymore, but that's just me.

 

Fine, I'll sing you soft kitty. 

[Turin Turambar]

Turin. Not understanding the reason to claim you're vt again. If you survive today, and you're town, the only thing you're doing is shrinking the pool for mafia.

I'm the overwhelming main vote recepient in a runaway vote train. I am going to be required to claim today. I am giving my role to start with AND stating that I am willing to be lynched but I am NOT going to accept a wasted day because people refuse to listen. Place your votes. Give your reasons. Be ready to justify yourselves when I flip town.

[Eldrick4221]

 

I saw your response to my ISO. I didn't see anything in there that indicated you get a slight scum on me.

 

I saw a tinfoil question and pointing out topics that have been discussed.

 

You had a direct question to me about BG, which I answered.

My response to your ISO?

Bad wording?

 

You iso'd me. You responded to it. I saw the response.

[Zander?]

Turin is Scum.

[alannalynn]

I vote Turin because I no think Sooh town and I no think Turin town now okay

[alannalynn]

Turin is Scum.

awesome reason friend!

[LilyElizabeth]

I guess you're not going to see it then. Granted, it's mostly your attitude towards Nyn, who is the most townie player in the game. 

[Zander?]

I guess you're not going to see it then. Granted, it's mostly your attitude towards Nyn, who is the most townie player in the game. 

 

 

That Zander guy is pretty Towny as well imo.

[Nynaeve]

Someone's jelly