[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

Specifically - your early claim felt calculated, and is obviously posted to try to garner easy town reads. I can see this coming from you as either alignment. Your post where you asked Lenlo about your OP also shows that you're AWARE of your meta this game and appear to be purposefully trying to garner a new meta, except Lenlo doesn't use meta, given you do you should know that, except Lenlo is using meta on you this game so I dunno.

So why are you specifically altering your approach this game?

Im altering it for REASONS IVE ALREADY EXPLAINED!!!!

its posts like this that are frustrating me. I said WHY I claimed and explained it. Ive always been aware of my Meta like see Bellicheat and Matrix.. LEN HAS BEEN USING META for a large part of his read on me!!!!!

Ive explained that. You stand out and are memorable.

Thank you for answering that BFG....

And thank you Im one of kind!!!!! (Thankfully for Humanity)

lolololololololol

You truly are.

If it makes you feel better, ive wanted to reconsider you afew times but I simply refuse to be moved by your charisma, only by cases and logic/defense. And what you have used ive disagreed with.

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Ok, I'll give Zander the fact that he's talked about Lenlo a fair bit between the colour discussion and his later explanation. The fact that I disagree with him shouldn't be here or there.

I'm going to link posts as MQing is horrible on a tablet and quoting the following took me over the limit

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594557 one of many posts about his claim

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594558 asks Lenlo if he was defensive in Matrix - already said I don't see the point in this, given that I don't recall Zandwr being pushed by anyone other than Lenlo (teammate) in that game

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594581 accepts Lenlo's colour blinds explanation.

Leaves vote on Lenlo, despite now not having a reason in thread for voting...

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594588 asks Lenlo if he's 'so self centred that he'd take the chance of putting town behind for lol... (post I wanted to quote earlier for lols as it's another implication that he thinks Lenlo's town (since in the world where Lenlo's mafia his job would be to get Town!Zander lynched)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594646 asks how dumb would Lenlo feel if he got lynched instead - I've taken this as null, but I can see (if I squint my eyes) that this could be a 'push'

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594627

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594664 missed these first run through, these are posts where he asks Lenlo about Lenlo's reaction (which is then included as one of the reasons in his extended post linked below.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594672 end sequence

TLDR there's more than I thought, there are a couple of posts prior to his extended explanation saying he doesn't like Lenlo's reaction.

His reaction to me reminds me of his early game reaction to me in Worlds End though. His progression on Lenlo isn't awful, but it reads oddly (although that may just be that I disagree with it/don't understand what points he's trying to make) and I'm not sure how much of that is because he's reacting under pressure and he doesn't often find himself under pressure as either alignment.

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Specifically - your early claim felt calculated, and is obviously posted to try to garner easy town reads. I can see this coming from you as either alignment. Your post where you asked Lenlo about your OP also shows that you're AWARE of your meta this game and appear to be purposefully trying to garner a new meta, except Lenlo doesn't use meta, given you do you should know that, except Lenlo is using meta on you this game so I dunno.

So why are you specifically altering your approach this game?

Im altering it for REASONS IVE ALREADY EXPLAINED!!!!

its posts like this that are frustrating me. I said WHY I claimed and explained it. Ive always been aware of my Meta like see Bellicheat and Matrix.. LEN HAS BEEN USING META for a large part of his read on me!!!!!

Ive explained that. You stand out and are memorable.

Thank you for answering that BFG....

And thank you Im one of kind!!!!! (Thankfully for Humanity)

lolololololololol

You truly are.

If it makes you feel better, ive wanted to reconsider you afew times but I simply refuse to be moved by your charisma, only by cases and logic/defense. And what you have used ive disagreed with.

You used my Charisma and "Force of personality" as your defense against me and reasons for sussing me in Matrix Len...

Nothing youve been saying has made me feel any better about you.

Shad_ · January 19, 2016

Is that fear I see in your eyes Zander? Is it fear that im reading in the tone of your posts?!

AM I A PSYCHIC?!

I dont fear anything Im just not gonna be happy when wolves can hide behind your vote Zander idea and mislynch me.

The fact that you think wolves are going to follow Lenlo's joke vote from sign up is an implication you don't think Lenlo is mafia at this point.

Weird conclusion. I don't see where Zander's statement denies the possibility that scum!Lenlo might follow pre-roll!Lenlo's joke.

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

You keep referencing Matrix for things I say against you.

We were scum together that game, pushing each other. If I used those arguments against you in Matrix, and you were scum in Matrix, wouldnt that mean I might be right? At the very least it implies we are both wolves so we should /still/ lynch you.

Eldrick4221 · January 19, 2016

Cheeeeeecking in! And now gonna go read the WTF 15 PAGES IN FOUR HOURS!? -.-

Lol. Thank you for that.

Nolder · January 19, 2016

I don't feel good bbl.

BFG · January 19, 2016

Specifically - your early claim felt calculated, and is obviously posted to try to garner easy town reads. I can see this coming from you as either alignment. Your post where you asked Lenlo about your OP also shows that you're AWARE of your meta this game and appear to be purposefully trying to garner a new meta, except Lenlo doesn't use meta, given you do you should know that, except Lenlo is using meta on you this game so I dunno.

So why are you specifically altering your approach this game?

Im altering it for REASONS IVE ALREADY EXPLAINED!!!!

its posts like this that are frustrating me. I said WHY I claimed and explained it. Ive always been aware of my Meta like see Bellicheat and Matrix.. LEN HAS BEEN USING META for a large part of his read on me!!!!!

So we're at an impasse at least on this

You purposefully changed your approach this game to try to get early town reads. This reads to me as calculated, because it is, so WHY should I treat this as town? Your reason to do it is alignment neutral as everyone wants early town reads.

And I know Lenlo has been using meta on you specifically this game and I've already asked him about it. I say as much in the post :rolleyes:

Zander? · January 19, 2016

You keep referencing Matrix for things I say against you.

We were scum together that game, pushing each other. If I used those arguments against you in Matrix, and you were scum in Matrix, wouldnt that mean I might be right? At the very least it implies we are both wolves so we should /still/ lynch you.

Nope cause it wasnt why i was right about you in Matrix, It was just youre reads lists and the fact that you couldnt do anything really to stop it. And for someone who "claims" to be able to read me so well should know META is a LARGE part of how I make my reads!!!!

Eldrick4221 · January 19, 2016

Zander. You didn't respond. Perhaps you missed my post.

I'm feeling good about Lenlo. You haven't swayed me in that regard, and are frankly just coming off as defensive.

But if you are town, please give me a reason not to vote you. Who do you think is scum so far?

Shad_ · January 19, 2016

Do you feel its alignment indicative of me one way or the other?

The move itself, not in the slightest. How you went about pushing it when challenged, maybe. I might take another look at that.

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

You keep referencing Matrix for things I say against you.

We were scum together that game, pushing each other. If I used those arguments against you in Matrix, and you were scum in Matrix, wouldnt that mean I might be right? At the very least it implies we are both wolves so we should /still/ lynch you.

Nope cause it wasnt why i was right about you in Matrix, It was just youre reads lists and the fact that you couldnt do anything really to stop it. And for someone who "claims" to be able to read me so well should know META is a LARGE part of how I make my reads!!!!

So those werent reasons you were right about me being wolf in matrix, so your using them as reasons to be push me being wolf in this game?

BFG · January 19, 2016

Ok, I'll give Zander the fact that he's talked about Lenlo a fair bit between the colour discussion and his later explanation. The fact that I disagree with him shouldn't be here or there.

I'm going to link posts as MQing is horrible on a tablet and quoting the following took me over the limit

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594557 one of many posts about his claim

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594558 asks Lenlo if he was defensive in Matrix - already said I don't see the point in this, given that I don't recall Zandwr being pushed by anyone other than Lenlo (teammate) in that game

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594581 accepts Lenlo's colour blinds explanation.

Leaves vote on Lenlo, despite now not having a reason in thread for voting...

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594588 asks Lenlo if he's 'so self centred that he'd take the chance of putting town behind for lol... (post I wanted to quote earlier for lols as it's another implication that he thinks Lenlo's town (since in the world where Lenlo's mafia his job would be to get Town!Zander lynched)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594646 asks how dumb would Lenlo feel if he got lynched instead - I've taken this as null, but I can see (if I squint my eyes) that this could be a 'push'

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594627

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594664 missed these first run through, these are posts where he asks Lenlo about Lenlo's reaction (which is then included as one of the reasons in his extended post linked below.

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&pid=3594672 end sequence

TLDR there's more than I thought, there are a couple of posts prior to his extended explanation saying he doesn't like Lenlo's reaction.

His reaction to me reminds me of his early game reaction to me in Worlds End though. His progression on Lenlo isn't awful, but it reads oddly (although that may just be that I disagree with it/don't understand what points he's trying to make) and I'm not sure how much of that is because he's reacting under pressure and he doesn't often find himself under pressure as either alignment.

/shrug I miss 2 posts that if I squint I can see as a 'reason' for your read and strongly disagree with you on

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Specifically - your early claim felt calculated, and is obviously posted to try to garner easy town reads. I can see this coming from you as either alignment. Your post where you asked Lenlo about your OP also shows that you're AWARE of your meta this game and appear to be purposefully trying to garner a new meta, except Lenlo doesn't use meta, given you do you should know that, except Lenlo is using meta on you this game so I dunno.

So why are you specifically altering your approach this game?

Im altering it for REASONS IVE ALREADY EXPLAINED!!!!

its posts like this that are frustrating me. I said WHY I claimed and explained it. Ive always been aware of my Meta like see Bellicheat and Matrix.. LEN HAS BEEN USING META for a large part of his read on me!!!!!

So we're at an impasse at least on this

You purposefully changed your approach this game to try to get early town reads. This reads to me as calculated, because it is, so WHY should I treat this as town? Your reason to do it is alignment neutral as everyone wants early town reads.

And I know Lenlo has been using meta on you specifically this game and I've already asked him about it. I say as much in the post

Let me ask you this youve now that you've backtracked on your read of me with your TLDR, what are you reading me as currently? How do you feel about my explanations about the Bold?

And why SHOULDNT you treat it as Town?

BFG · January 19, 2016

And yes, the /ahrug was used on purpose :p

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Zander. You didn't respond. Perhaps you missed my post.

I'm feeling good about Lenlo. You haven't swayed me in that regard, and are frankly just coming off as defensive.

But if you are town, please give me a reason not to vote you. Who do you think is scum so far?

Im not feeling good about Lenlo or BFG at this point.

Zander? · January 19, 2016

You keep referencing Matrix for things I say against you.

We were scum together that game, pushing each other. If I used those arguments against you in Matrix, and you were scum in Matrix, wouldnt that mean I might be right? At the very least it implies we are both wolves so we should /still/ lynch you.

Nope cause it wasnt why i was right about you in Matrix, It was just youre reads lists and the fact that you couldnt do anything really to stop it. And for someone who "claims" to be able to read me so well should know META is a LARGE part of how I make my reads!!!!

So those werent reasons you were right about me being wolf in matrix, so your using them as reasons to be push me being wolf in this game?

The reasons you used werent right but in that game as Scum!Lenlo but you used them regardless (which we in the Biz like to call using Meta). How his this tough for you to grasp?

Eldrick4221 · January 19, 2016

Zander. You didn't respond. Perhaps you missed my post.

I'm feeling good about Lenlo. You haven't swayed me in that regard, and are frankly just coming off as defensive.

But if you are town, please give me a reason not to vote you. Who do you think is scum so far?

Im not feeling good about Lenlo or BFG at this point.

The people that are pushing you? Wow.

Reasons?

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

Pretty hard, cause nothing your saying makes sense or really seems to be getting to the same point.

All in all, your trying to use a game where we were both wolves hard bussing each other, to show im a wolf in this game.

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Zander. You didn't respond. Perhaps you missed my post.

I'm feeling good about Lenlo. You haven't swayed me in that regard, and are frankly just coming off as defensive.

But if you are town, please give me a reason not to vote you. Who do you think is scum so far?

Im not feeling good about Lenlo or BFG at this point.

The people that are pushing you? Wow.

Reasons?

Do you feel BFG is PUSHING me or questioning me?

And dude if youre asking for reasons after ive explained as many times as I have you need to take a step back and re read the game.

Eldrick4221 · January 19, 2016

Someone said something about "if you lynch me, I win".

I wrote it off as trying to sound like a jester to not be lynched, but I'd like other opinions. I can pull up the quote if you need me to.

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Pretty hard, cause nothing your saying makes sense or really seems to be getting to the same point.

All in all, your trying to use a game where we were both wolves hard bussing each other, to show im a wolf in this game.

BFG · January 19, 2016

Specifically - your early claim felt calculated, and is obviously posted to try to garner easy town reads. I can see this coming from you as either alignment. Your post where you asked Lenlo about your OP also shows that you're AWARE of your meta this game and appear to be purposefully trying to garner a new meta, except Lenlo doesn't use meta, given you do you should know that, except Lenlo is using meta on you this game so I dunno.

So why are you specifically altering your approach this game?

Im altering it for REASONS IVE ALREADY EXPLAINED!!!!

its posts like this that are frustrating me. I said WHY I claimed and explained it. Ive always been aware of my Meta like see Bellicheat and Matrix.. LEN HAS BEEN USING META for a large part of his read on me!!!!!

So we're at an impasse at least on this

You purposefully changed your approach this game to try to get early town reads. This reads to me as calculated, because it is, so WHY should I treat this as town? Your reason to do it is alignment neutral as everyone wants early town reads.

And I know Lenlo has been using meta on you specifically this game and I've already asked him about it. I say as much in the post

Let me ask you this youve now that you've backtracked on your read of me with your TLDR, what are you reading me as currently? How do you feel about my explanations about the Bold?

And why SHOULDNT you treat it as Town?

I haven't backtracked on my read on you. I had you as null, I have you as null, I don't read you easily and it takes a while for me to read you for myself. There are a few approaches I can see from town!Zander this game (specifically your reaction to me) but I tend to find calculated play as scummy (read all your early posts). Generically town are going to be more relaxed and care less about how they come across. And that is something I've always associated with your game, it's also something I've miscleared you on, so it isn't a 'tell' as such, just something I associate with you in general.

Regarding the bold, your explanation is null. I struggle to believe that you think that this is a viable method to clear yourself, but that goes for you as any alignment.

Because the motivation is equally(/more in a generic sense - generic because you consider town getting town read important to) likely from mafia. Mafia need to be town read, town need to hunt mafia and also get town read (but it's not the only priority)

Lenlo · January 19, 2016

Someone said something about "if you lynch me, I win".

I wrote it off as trying to sound like a jester to not be lynched, but I'd like other opinions. I can pull up the quote if you need me to.

That was me.

It was earlier on about my petition to lynch Zander

If he flips scum, I win the game personally.

If he flips town and I get instalynched D1, then I also win personally.

Twas joking at the time.

Zander? · January 19, 2016

Someone said something about "if you lynch me, I win".

I wrote it off as trying to sound like a jester to not be lynched, but I'd like other opinions. I can pull up the quote if you need me to.

What are you talking about here?

[Advanced] Gods and Demons Mafia - All your souls belong to Shad (Triads win)

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