[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Askthepizzaguy]

If the Kaylee case is wrong, Csarmi should hang.

 

I still want to lynch Kaylee but if that's not happening because someone knows it's wrong, I want to kill the person that knew it without even giving it a chance.

[wish-tree]

Disclaimer: these things are observations, and lead me to believe that it is more likely that Kaylee is town than scum. However, there are some inconsistencies with her town game that I've pointed out, which may be good to look into.

 

Notes from this game:

 

1) Casual opening, no content. (town) Probably need to see more games to verify this.

2) Piecemeal answers, again. Phone posting. (town)

3) Picks out specific things to agree with. (null)

4) No multiquoting (need to see more games to verify). (town)

5) Use of meta to read people. Opens with reads based off ot tone/meta. (town)

6) Uncertainty of reads later on (will link if you would like). (scum)

7) Questioning of other people's actions, quote by quote, broken up as if responding in real time. (town)

8) Available in real time (town)

9) Less thread presence/involvement (town)

10) Stiff reaction to Zander's Frozen comment in which she was scum (scum)

 

 

 

 

Hi, and goodnight.

 

 

 

Trust is earned. ;)
 
Go ahead and back up your Celeste town read. Cite the posts you're looking at and the reasons you're using. Use examples (plural) of her acting that way as town and contrast with a scum game of hers.
 
You want to persuade me she's town you have to work at it.

I agreed with this. Liking Pizza's tone.

 

 

 

 

 

Trust is earned. ;)
Go ahead and back up your Celeste town read. Cite the posts you're looking at and the reasons you're using. Use examples (plural) of her acting that way as town and contrast with a scum game of hers.
You want to persuade me she's town you have to work at it.

*is a lazy bum*
Moo
I'll do it later, have to leave for church.
In the meantime, I need information about you, Kaylee, and Turin. People I've never played before with. I'd of course like to hear about you from other people, otherwise it would be biased information, cause pizzas like to think they're hot when they actually just came out of the freezer to be microwaved.

We've played a game together but it's been awhile. I try to play the same as either alignment. I could say more on my playstyle but as you said it's better when it's not coming from a biased source.

 

 

 

[cass stuff snipped]

 

I like the feel of your posts. You don't seem to be reserved as you do when scum. I've been scum with you and as scum you tend to come across as being careful. This game you seem to be trying to figure things out. Basically saying things \pointing them out as you see them. You're thinking things through but don't seem to care as much how you're coming across... More focused on the game and less on yourself I guess is what I'm saying.

On Leno: As town he's more likely to say whatever pops in his head, less filtered. As scum he's very careful what and how he says things. As I said it's early yet but leaning town.

 

 

 

 

I have a question for all of you
 
You are on the side of a road walking down the sidewalk.
You have a gun with 1 bullet in it.
Two people are walking towards you.
The one on your left has a baseball bat the other is wearing a cowboy hat.
Who do you shoot?

Depends. If the one with the bat looks like they're planning on using it on me then duh them. Otherwise why would I shoot either? If there's no threat I'm not using the gun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shad, please attempt to describe your take on Lenlo's meta.

First ya Id like to hear your thoughts on Len's Meta.....and mine as well!!!!!!

Summarize everything I think I know about how Lenlo thinks and behaves as town vs as scum?
That's a long exercise, and one I find borderline counterproductive at this stage, and I don't really think of people as a list of dos and don'ts in the first place. The whole value of a meta read is that it allows you to catch people being dishonest in subtle ways that are not objectively alignment indicative.
I'll call what I see when I see it.

[V] Shad [/v]

Why are you voting Shad?

 

 

 

 

 

*snipped*

He came out and said he had good meta on Lenlo. When asked to elaborate, he refused to do so. The story he told was gobbledygook to me. It leads me to believe he was merely making it up. I don't see a good reason to do that as town.

Ok makes sense. I don't have a read on him yet. I questioned your vote because it came without explanation.

 

 

 

Turin: apprently not clear to me. It is now though.

I sometimes miss things when playing catch up. Besides, I'd rather ask to clarify if I'm unsure then just assume I know what someone's point is.

 

 

 

[unvote]

I'm curious why the unvote? The timing, seeing as Pizza had been questioning/pressing your on it, just feels...off.

 

 

 

 

 

Going to brunch bbl.

MAKE SURE TO ANSWER MY QUESTION IF YOU HAVENT ALREADY!!

I answered this jokingly already. Is this actually something serious brother?

 

Want to vote Celeste but hesitating hard.

Why? Is it because I randomly voted Cass? Or something else.

[unvote]

This is unvote to some questioning is very strange imo.

Why unvote now Penny?

That's what I asked. Curious why you asked soon after me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Trust is earned. ;)

Go ahead and back up your Celeste town read. Cite the posts you're looking at and the reasons you're using. Use examples (plural) of her acting that way as town and contrast with a scum game of hers.

You want to persuade me she's town you have to work at it.

I agreed with this. Liking Pizza's tone.

..........Strictly uneasy of Kay because #Frozen......

i wanted to "lolololololol" but I can't because well you know.....#Frozen

I don't get the comment Zander. It's not like that's the only comment I've made.

 

 

 

 

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

Page 91

 

I'm not sheeping the extant suspicion on Csarmi. This is just how I'm feeling with regard to the Kaylee case.

 

If Kaylee's guilty that case was a slam dunk. Wolves should be on her wagon by now.

[Kaylee]

 

 

 

then just go out on a branch with your own reasons for reads and thoughts and the like. Townies arent afraid to be wrong or sound bad nearly as often as Scum are my dear.

Well I've given my POE.

 

Csarmi, Pral, Celeste.

 

Not sure I trust Turin yet bit time will tell and I don't feel comfortable voting a claimed town PR.

 

Csarmi and Pral have been catching up ama giving thoughts, which is good. I want to wait on Pral for now since he is catching up and yes he haS a hard time as either alignment when it's busy. When he's town he's a good asset.

 

Csarmi I haven't read anything that's for me saying "he's town". Still null here could vote here. I'm torn he seems to reading correctly.

 

Celeste I'm more waiting for content to make a better read on her.

 

Wish going with the meta read Shad did ands her recent posts she's higher on null pile. I'm now leaning if one of Celeste/Wish is scum that it'd be Celeste. For lack of content. (Kinda pot and kettle).

 

I could be wrong about my read on Cass or Leno. Those I'm kinda tinfoiling on. Cass because she's fooled before and Leno could easily do the same.

 

Pizza and Alanna are blue reads for me. I just see them being like this as town. The questions they're asking, the follow through...townie.

 

WTL Celeste, Pral or Csarmi. Mostly because of POE.

 

Kaylee - what's meant by the bold wrt Csarmi??

 

What D1 meta do you have on Pral?

I mean I'm town and he thinks I'm town. Thought that was clear.

 

Pral plays catch up as either alignment when it's a busy game. I've said exactly that once already. That's all I have.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Nomi - First of all I want to note that he is the only person still at 0. With the amount he posts I find that troubling. Actually as I type that I realize he should be in the negative for some of the things I pointed out earlier in regards to Celeste but I haven't had the time to enter them into my notes. So ok he "was" at 0 and that was bothering me a lot. Then we get into the Celeste thing. I'll try to keep this simple since it's meant to be a summary. He agrees Celeste is scummy but doesn't want to lynch her. I challenge him on that and he says she never dipped below -1 in his reads but then I find a post of his where he puts her as his bottom read. It doesn't make sense not to want to lynch your bottom read. This is a clear contradiction and IMO he's caught scum and needs to be lynched ASAP.

 

Celeste - I despise saying someone is a good lynch for information because I believe this is a common scum tactic to justify lynches when they have no better reason...but Celeste really would yield a lot of information from her lynch. She's been linked to Wish, Nomi, Kaylee, and Shad. I think he death would break open this weird circle of trust going on between these people. That all aside, I don't like how she refused to answer my sidewalk question. She voted Shad in post #500 for his "tone". She unvoted in post #879 saying he's "shaping up". These are vague reasons and I believe that's intentional. I believe I asked several times about her Rustlemania references but never received an answer that I recall. I also don't think she ever answered my question about Shad in post #793 when I asked her to put her read in terms of 1-10. This is all very shady IMHO.

 

Cass - Please note that this is not the case I wanted to bring to you guys. I wanted it to have more substance but right now it's more a bad feeling. Hopefully I will be able to flesh it out more later. First of all I want to note Cass tops out the negative side of my point spectrum with -3 right now which is a pretty bad score for D1 and she got it pretty early in D1 as well. In Post #44 she says she's slightly wary of Alanna and asks if she's a wolf. This is weird because it's only page 3 and Alanna has posted a total of 3 times. There's literally nothing to be wary of. I mean if that's just a joke/excuse to engage and ask if she's a wolf ok but it just stood out to me. Post #109 she explains why she's "wary" of Xander and Alanna. I found the post lacking and full of excuses. She says it's too early to be of consequence but if that's true then why did she even say it in the first place? Post #1386 she voted Csarmi and didn't give a reason. I'm all for reaction testing and whatnot but it seems that 1000+ posts in it's time to start giving reasons with votes. And that's all I got so far besides the fact that she went MIA after being townread early in the game. I don't expect anyone to lynch her over this but I intend to pursue it further and build on the case as the game goes forward. If she's scummy I'll certainly have more to work with.

 

Find the post where I said Turin, Celeste, and Kaylee were all at -1.

 

Those were my bottom 3.

 

I said it several times in fact.

 

JFC man.

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Turin (1): Laine

Wish (2): Zander, Turin

Csarmi (1): Cass

Pral (2): Wish, Lenlo

Kaylee (2): Pizza, Pral

 

Not voting (5): Shad, Csarmi, Celeste, Kaylee, Nolder

 

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With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

DAY ONE WILL END AT 10:00 PM MST (MIDNIGHT EASTERN) ON WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 6.

http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160106T22&p0=197&msg=End+of+Day+One&font=cursive&csz=1

[wish-tree]

If the Kaylee case is wrong, Csarmi should hang.

 

I still want to lynch Kaylee but if that's not happening because someone knows it's wrong, I want to kill the person that knew it without even giving it a chance.

What do you think of my analysis of her posting style?

[Kaylee]

 

I'm listening.

 

I saw you village in other games and you weren't shy about naming names.

 

I had now to go on. There was something I felt I had a better handle on as far as leads. Not this game. What can I say besides I've tried to change since then.

[Nolder]

 

Alanna are you going to lynch our claimed Doc?

 

Cass where are you?

 

Nomi will you move your vote if no one else wants to lynch Kaylee? Who will you vote if you do?

 

Probably one of the folks who aren't willing to lynch Kaylee.

 

 

How will you choose between them?

[wish-tree]

Anyway, Shad

 

Getting to Zander analysis.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think Kaylee is acting well outside of what I think she's capable of as a villager.

 

I don't like the fact that she still hasn't pushed anyone. I want villagers who are wrongly suspected to continue fighting. This looks similar to anti-spew but I can see how it might not be.

 

I'm getting thread indicators that I'm wrong about Kaylee.

 

It's nothing she's done, for sure. It's the rest of you folks.

[Nolder]

My main concern with holder is he is feeling off in his posts like I got in Rustlemania. I don't know why he seems off to me but he does. Also what is the basic setup here?

Pretty sure this is the 4th time.

 

How far are you going to push that with nothing more then "I don't know why, but he does" Celeste?

[Nolder]

 

So then answer the question you've missed twice now (in bold/underline) ...

 

I don't understand the question.

[Kaylee]

 

 

 

She's multiquoting and pushing her own cases.

I said in sign ups I wouldn't be doing that this game. Don't have that kind of time.

This I don't follow at all. You're one of the most present players this game and you're here for long stretches posting a lot.

 

If there's anything seriously wrong with your defense, this is a thing.

 

This is not an excuse.

I said I couldn't do the whole ISO and multi quote and Wall of texts. It wasn't meant to be an excuse. I made that comment in sign ups, before I had my role.

 

I can get on throughout day and post. I read when I can, comment where needed.

[Nolder]

Specifically, the reasons given for not wanting to lynch Kaylee felt like someone who knows, despite my casing of Kaylee (is good case, convinced me anyway) that it's somehow still wrong.

 

He didn't even really begin to consider it. But he kept feeding me data to hammer her with, like a good little scum.

 

This overshadows my original read on him being csarming and helpful.

That's an interesting claim.

Far more interesting than your case imo.

 

Can you quote Csarmi doing this?

[Askthepizzaguy]

This is fair enough IMO. Any chance you can take a deeper look at Csarmi/Pral?

 

I wouldn't lynch Pralaya as of right now.

[Celeste]

 

My main concern with holder is he is feeling off in his posts like I got in Rustlemania. I don't know why he seems off to me but he does. Also what is the basic setup here?

 

Pretty sure this is the 4th time.

 

How far are you going to push that with nothing more then "I don't know why, but he does" Celeste?

I don't have much ok but simple weird pings and stuff like that. I don't know how to be very obvious town and look for inconsistencies with players I don't know well. I'm going to be low posting today because I spent too much time with mafia games yesterday.

[Shad_]

Just notes for now, need to actually get through probably half of her posts before I can safely say that these are good conclusions:

 

Kaylee scum game in Frozen:

 

A few observations from just her opening posts-

 

1) comes in with content right away.

2) actively goes after other players who may have posted questionable content.

3) Has a disagreement with another player (Sili) and uses meta to justify her reasoning. 

4) Uses a lot of multiquotes.

5) Picks out certain posts specifically to agree with, little comments here and there.

6) Some indication of not knowing, struggling with reading people.

7) Generalizes what she typically sees as town/scum play when she does make cases on people, however the cases are weak and insubstantial.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Every time I go back to think about a proper response, my mind becomes static. I get flashbacks of all those times dice is wrong but plays badly and is simply a nuisance.

 

Therefore, I quit. I'll just evaluate him on his content as the day progresses. No need to interact.

[v] Sili [/v]

im quite happy to call Princess Town sili There are distinct differences in his tone when he is mafia. I haven't seen that yet. Ive just seen the energizer bunny Princess

 

 

keep bailing sili you said reevaluate AFTER your solid declaration. What? realised that you werent leaving yourself an out?

 

 

but you see that vote?? get used to seeing it. Cause its not going anywhere

 

@Razen Is that Zander post what your calling an attempt to justify his vote?\

 

and you might wanna quote the right stuff the purple you highlighted? thats NOT me calling Zander town thats me saying sili is whinging because people cleared zander on Tone. Same as he did Sooh. THIS post above is where I call Zander Town.

 

As for Sili I dont like that original post if youre gonna clear Sooh on tone someone whose tone is not a clear indicator all the time then you cant NOT clear someone for who tone is indicative in the SAME POST.

 

After that? he got defensive in tone started throwing out the passive aggressive vibes along with insults. 1+1+1 = scum

 

I think he's scum.

Ok finally able to get on and play! Wanted to start with this quote.

 

His explanations so far, referring to Dice here, sound like town Dice. In this quote it's the way he phrases it that makes me say town. I'm getting a good feel.

 

Not sure on Sili yet as I tend to misread him. I'll go back through on the computer where I can multi quote and comment easier.

 

 

 

Let me start off by saying yes, I will be commenting on things that have already been commented on. However, I just got here a bit ago and want to comment on things I would've had I been here in RT. (This will include fluff post since I missed that part). Going to break this up since it won't let me put it all in one. 

 

 

 

I just did.

 

If I could give points, I would for this post

 

Agreed, loved it!

 

 

 

Official Vote Count

Zander (1)--Sooh

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

There is currently no deadline

 

 

Either Zander is delusional or Heart is crazy. Pick which one you want to go with. 

I go for the first. *nods*

 

 

Haha we've started the quote pyramids already--should probably stop to save those who are playing via mobile XD

Yes please, as mostly I'll be on mobile. I can't typically get on the computer like this.

 

 

*sings for Legolas*

 

 

I do believe this is security camera footage of a wet and cold Hallia...

Awesome...just love it!

 

 

Creapiest exchange of that that I've ever seen!!

 

 

 

EBWOP:

But I just wanted to play

 

and now I must play alone

 

these should have been connected, but the quote didn't go through....

alright.... alright....

 

i'll play along:

 

People posting gifs.... genuinly spamming or trying to hide wolfishness? I mean, it's easy to get a laid back look from early game just spamming the thread, right?

 

Good question...seems like trying to start figuring things out. (I don't agree as Sooh likes to play the spam game early games).

 

 

I'm just excited I get to use some of my 56 Frozen gifs and images that I have collected at photobucket. They weren't even collected for this game specifically. If you want to look at some of what you have in store for the rest of this game you can go to here. Also if you want to borrow some you may. 

I think it was a genuine response to Thane. (I don't have a read on her yet, just saying this was genuine).

 

 

 

Ok so game post here    not a fan of this post even tho i agree regarding sooh.  He immediately talks outside both sides of his mouth   but he does give a reason later

 

@Dice, what even is this comment. Do you only agree regarding Sooh. Do you think Zander should be cleared for fluff content?

 

'outside both sides of his mouth, but he gives a reason later' - Is this your conclusion? Wut even is the point of commenting on my post if you know your conclusion is wrong.

 

I thought Dice was clear in that he agrees regarding Sooh.

 

 

 

who said my conclusion is wrong? you come in saying Zanders getting cleared too quick   he basically got cleared for exactly the same reason you cleared sooh in the next sentence.

 

you say its bad one sentence and then do it yourself. Thats definitely talking out both sides of your mouth imo and I dont really see that as a good thing.

 

Even if i do agree that sooh is town based on the same thing you explain later. her tone.

 

But you didnt say that here you just threw out a double standard.

This sounds like town Dice. He sees something he thinks is scummy and jumps all over it.

 

 

 

 

who said my conclusion is wrong? you come in saying Zanders getting cleared too quick   he basically got cleared for exactly the same reason you cleared sooh in the next sentence.

 

you say its bad one sentence and then do it yourself. Thats definitely talking out both sides of your mouth imo and I dont really see that as a good thing.

 

Even if i do agree that sooh is town based on the same thing you explain later. her tone.

 

But you didnt say that here you just threw out a double standard.

So let's be clear here. If you don't have a double standard, you are clearing Zander for faking tone when he spent the last mafia game showcasing how well he could fake tone?

 

And I am not 'clearing' Sooh so don't even.

 

Bold: ummm no. He says you've cleared Sooh since you called her town. I agree that pretty much clears her. Yes you go back later and say otherwise, but saying someone is town basically means you have a read on them which would be clearing them.

 

 

 

 

Note the bold   thats not me saying Zander is town. Your post that I had issue with? It came before I had even posted in the game   and you complained that "people are clearing zander too quick"  My response there in blue is that he was getting cleared bythose people you complained about for the same reason you declared sooh town.

 

I  didnt declare him town  i only voted Princess and +1d a gif

 

I need to wrap my head around this, because I just answered your question. A double standard is common, even, in mafia and you've been around for ages so you should definitely not even raise an eyebrow at it.

 

Or you're just dice.

 

Anyway, Dice, I take it you won't clear Zander even though you're clearing Sooh? Well that's a double standard.

 

I liked Dice's explaination on this. He was being misrepped and said how. Sili on this, I don't know...he's really hard for me to read.

 

 

 

 

 

Just saying--Frozen is probably a terrible game to ISO for examples of how Kaylee scums.  She bussed her entire team and every single night kill landed on a town power role, so her continued existence at end-game was totally justified.

 

[wish-tree]

I think Kaylee is acting well outside of what I think she's capable of as a villager.

 

I don't like the fact that she still hasn't pushed anyone. I want villagers who are wrongly suspected to continue fighting. This looks similar to anti-spew but I can see how it might not be.

 

I'm getting thread indicators that I'm wrong about Kaylee.

 

It's nothing she's done, for sure. It's the rest of you folks.

 

 

trends from past games seem to indicate that Kaylee does not push as much as town, though she's firmer about her reads. The opening of this game looks like her most recent town game. Recent things have shown that she's struggling to formulate reads, which puts her as scummier.

 

 

 

My main concern with holder is he is feeling off in his posts like I got in Rustlemania. I don't know why he seems off to me but he does. Also what is the basic setup here?

Pretty sure this is the 4th time.

 

How far are you going to push that with nothing more then "I don't know why, but he does" Celeste?

 

 

 

wrt Celeste

 

She does this a lot. "I don't know why, but he does" -- really towny coming from her.

 

XDD

 

As scum, she can actually explain herself.

[Kaylee]

Okay, guys...

 

Kaylee is probably town.

 

My English major senses are tingling.

 

But of course, it could be a major ploy to change her writing/posting style. BUT

 

Most people are not cognizant of this and would not actively change this. It's not natural to do so.

 

Posting observations shortly.

Sounds like you say you think I'm town, then change your mind. I'm confused

[Zander?]

ok this is getting out of hand

 

everyone provide top 3 wtl

 

go

[wish-tree]

[snipped]

 

Just saying--Frozen is probably a terrible game to ISO for examples of how Kaylee scums.  She bussed her entire team and every single night kill landed on a town power role, so her continued existence at end-game was totally justified.

 

 

 

Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification. I think csarmi or Pizza linked it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

 

Specifically, the reasons given for not wanting to lynch Kaylee felt like someone who knows, despite my casing of Kaylee (is good case, convinced me anyway) that it's somehow still wrong.

 

He didn't even really begin to consider it. But he kept feeding me data to hammer her with, like a good little scum.

 

This overshadows my original read on him being csarming and helpful.

That's an interesting claim.

Far more interesting than your case imo.

 

Can you quote Csarmi doing this?

 

Absolutely.

 

Still annoyed at you right now. But yeah. I gotcha on this.

[wish-tree]

 

Okay, guys...

 

Kaylee is probably town.

 

My English major senses are tingling.

 

But of course, it could be a major ploy to change her writing/posting style. BUT

 

Most people are not cognizant of this and would not actively change this. It's not natural to do so.

 

Posting observations shortly.

Sounds like you say you think I'm town, then change your mind. I'm confused

 

I'm saying I think you're town, with some reservations.

[Kaylee]

 

I think she's on mobile a lot.

She has presence but not the ability to do as much with it as someone on PC.

You put it better than I did. And it's easier to be caught up and comment post by post like I've been doing then really site down for hours. Can't do the latter this time.