[BASIC/STANDARD] Warcraft: War of the Ancients Mafia - GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS

[Zander?]

 

 

 

@post 149: Didnt read it. To long, to boring. Sorry Pizza.

 

 

 

 

What the hell?

 

Is this at me?

 

 

 

Yeah.

 

Then why not elaborate on your apparent confusion so we can begin to work things out?

 

 

 

That link takes you to a site where you can generate the numbers.

 

I always prefer a period and a space between the numbers and my notes, and it allows you to add that as a suffix. Not sure why it didn't copy over onto the site, it copied into my notes just fine. I think DM drops the space if it's not being used.

 

Ok?

 

I just don't get so much of this. lol. What are the numbers for? What is 'per-post notes'? Why are we even discussing this? 

 

Why are we discussing this?

 

 

Essentially, I don't understand why you thought a note-taking system was something worth dropping randomly into the thread. I'm suspicious of motives by nature, and I question things when they stand out. This stood out. I'm after elaboration on your motives in your own words so I can try and read your alignment based on whether or not I find it easy to believe what you say. I can explain my light concern/thought-process further after you answer if you like?

 

Right now I'm confused by the purpose of your post, and I don't like that you didn't just communicate straight up :P

 

The other, less important part is I'm not sure how it would work/I'm wondering if you actually take notes on every post?

 

I actually like this question. At first alot of her posts seemed like asking questions and such just to look townie, but its starting not to be the case.

 

 

1. Why Lenlo over Shad? Shad can play a good wolf game and Lenlo is pretty null so far.

 

2.The being cute joke comment was saying that they're being really chummy. It wasn't meant to indicate alignments of either, but it is good to note for later in case one of them flips.

 

1. Explained this thought process somewhere earlier (after your post), lmk if something stands out. 

2. Can you elaborate on what conclusions you would draw based on each flip?

 

It was the fact you commented an observation without giving indication of why it was important that stood out. If it's good to note for later, why? If you're Town, why not explain that's what you're thinking? Felt like commenting just to comment because it was the most interesting thing in the thread, but it didn't give us anything to work off - wrt to you, or either of them.

 

 

Yo! Cass, calm yourself. I'm not a wolf. Why are you wary of me?

 

I can't calm! I'm #CASSUNLEASHED!

And I won't believe you're just a wolf because you say so :P

 

Question: Why are you so serious here? I mentioned wary - not gunning for your lynch!

yet :P

 

 

For better or worse, I was wary because feels on the 'looking forward to some content' part of your first post; the Shad/Lenlo observation that tells us nothing; and you keep mentioning when you'll be back etc.

 

I'm going to reserve my actual read on you until I re-read our joint game (won't be reading it tonight).

 

FWIW I found this post very fair:

The one(?) time I played with Cass we were mafia together and she was extremely paranoid, but as far as I know her rampant paranoia is not alignment indicative. She is very analytical though, Turin's right

Slight points for not trying to use my paranoia against me. More points for arguing that it's null. <3 because <3. And lol for analytical. 

 

 

I would actually say Lenlo (I originally just wrote Lenlove? wtf) a little more likely to be town than Shad, due to his willingness to give Shad a town lean like that.

For now..

Lenlo

Shad

Is this a meta thing you have on Lenlo? (Can you explain?)

 

I don't understand how one can be more Town to you when they both committed the same action (calling each other Town).

 

Who has played with Cass before and who can help me understand her? She seems like another brand of Zander and I cant handle that.

 

 

Essentially, I don't understand why you thought a note-taking system was something worth dropping randomly into the thread. I'm suspicious of motives by nature, and I question things when they stand out. This stood out. I'm after elaboration on your motives in your own words so I can try and read your alignment based on whether or not I find it easy to believe what you say. I can explain my light concern/thought-process further after you answer if you like?

 

Right now I'm confused by the purpose of your post, and I don't like that you didn't just communicate straight up :P

 

The other, less important part is I'm not sure how it would work/I'm wondering if you actually take notes on every post?

It doesn't happen often but sometimes when I find people are struggling with something mafia-related or I have something I think is useful, I share it during the game.

 

Example of which is when during Game 3 I told Road (what game this is and who that is aren't important) how to handle playing a game with way more posts than he might be used to, and discussed using the ignore function for dead villagers to reduce re-read time. I thought he was likely to be scum at the time, but in case he wasn't, I still offered it.

 

It doesn't have any purpose other than hey, maybe this is helpful to someone. And I'd do that as scum, though I can't cite any examples of that from memory.

 

I don't always take notes every post. On other websites where there are fewer posts than here per day phase, it's not needed. I've found it helpful in the past particularly if I survive a long time in a game, because then I can start bolding blue my notes where the villagers died, and it helps me see reactions and patterns of the scumbags.

 

I did this on the Giant in the Playground board, when I was a nilla townie in a long game with a large scum team. Was very useful.

 

You hung out at GitP? Cool! I didnt know that.

 

Re-read complete, and my villager leans are thusly

 

We're not giving points for everything this time, that leads to runaway (Lenlo) scumreads which are sucky and don't reverse until it's problem. Instead posts which are likely town but more easily faked as scum are 0 with the word town next to it.

 

Askthepizzaguy (again!)

Cassy +5 initial wtf reaction has been clarified a lot. Yeah blue.

Shad +3 not outside his scum game but much improvement

Laine +2 Not confident but in my top 3

Zander Null points, but +1 overall (Not outside his scum range but I get good vibes)

Csarmi Null points, but +1 good feels

Turin Null points, but +1 good feels

Kaylee Null

Lenlo Null

Celeste Null

 

Wish True Null

Pralaya True Null

Nolder True Null

Why do you have Shad so certain but me with nothing, when we both posted the same amount at the same time to each other? What about that exchange made him seem good to you? Because none of it was actual casing or anything.

 

 

 

 

 

+1000000 points and lololololololol to the response to post #149 comment

 

And sadface.gif....what's wrong with another brand of Zander Len???!!!

 

Great question pertaining to Shad to Pizza.

I cant handle it man. Your crazy.

 

 

 

Listen here Mr. Len!!!!

 

I'm not crazy!!!!!  The voices in my head assure me I'm quite sane thank you ver much!!!!!!

 

 

lolololololololol

[Zander?]

 

 

Yup that was it

Kk.

 

Besides Cass and Celeste, I'm feeling good about Pizza, I think. Mainly because he's doing a lot of questioning, explaining his reasoning (even if I don't quite agree). Maybe Laine. Her attitude seems natural and relaxed, which is good if I compare it to that one game we were scum together in.

 

I'm gradually gathering reads about other people, but at this point, I haven't caught any scummy behavior. I suppose I could go back to opening posts and look for forced behavior or kind of off tone.

 

I hate that - relying on gut stuff. I prefer the head processes that involve the brain.

 

 

 

Stop being an I and be a GOAT E imo!!!!!!

 

lolololololol

 

 

 

just wanna point out this post in relation to my Gut reads comments and concerns in relation to Lenny.

[Zander?]

I know you do that Z, but this time when calling it out it felt defensive, rather than offensive. When you call people out for doing scummy things you go at them. Your are taking what feels off and going on the offensive with it. That instance though felt more defensive in nature and was off to me.

 

Ok i dont hate that you feel that way.  But Cass and I know each other a fair bit from away from DM and I'm a little surprised and off put my the way she jumped in concerning me and her REASONING for what she was calling out like awkward and forced.  Like look at it this way.  I dont really think anyone else felt that way concerning my posts.  I havent played with Cass before so i have no real Meta on her and you know Im a Meta/Gut read player.  i need to know where shes coming from so I can judge the difference between ENFP traits and legit questions/concerns/paranoia or if theres an ulterior motive for it if that makes sense to you?

 

 

Yeah but who are you calling wolf in that part? Why say that last part? Why say "Because they are a wolf"?

 

Am I the only one who thinks thats off? Like im not even digging into the alignment part of this yet, just the grammar atm bugs me.

FFS LENLO

 

1. Shad Town / Lenlo Town

2. Shad Wolf / Lenlo Wolf

3. Shad Wolf / Lenlo Town

4. Shad Town / Lenlo Wolf

 

I've already said that w/w is unlikely. Now, if one of you flips wolf, the other is likely town. If one of you flips town, the other could be town OR wolf. Why the hell would you just lynch that other person? That's called "setting up lynches" based on someones alignment and is generally false  unless you're using other information as well to support your conclusion.

 

I'm sorry if my wording bothers you, your grammar bothers me but you don't see me complaining about it.

 

 

 

Alanna GOAT!!!

 

But I am tickled. XD

 

*tickles the Pizza*

[Celeste]

The timing was because I would have forgotten that I joke vote her which happens sometimes XD

[Zander?]

I unvoted because it was a joke vote. Is it really that scummy to you guys? A joke vote is simply for entertainment and reaction testing.

 

 

It wasnt the unvote itself Penny it was the TIMING as people like myself have mentioned.....I think we all know what a joke vote is......

 

 

Okay work time for me and things

 

 

WHAT ABOUT ZANDER TIME????!!!!

[Kaylee]

The timing was because I would have forgotten that I joke vote her which happens sometimes XD

Fair enough I suppose.

[wish-tree]

 

 

 

download libre office.

 

it's free and awesome.

+100000000 for spreadsheets. I still prefer a plain format-stripping text editor.

 

Shad! Thoughts and stuff?

 

on p10 atm, baby just fell asleep on my lap, if I can get him to stay that way I'll sneak over to my desktop and speed things up a bit. Any particular questions for me in the meantime?

 

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the people who are scum reading you.

[Celeste]

Imo I don't really pay attention to timing much because I forget things sometimes.

[Zander?]

 

I unvoted because it was a joke vote. Is it really that scummy to you guys? A joke vote is simply for entertainment and reaction testing.

It wasn't your unvote itself but the timing that stood out.

 

 

 

GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!!   lololololololol

 

Still love you Kay ofc!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Turin and Zander -- talk to me! This means you!

hello?

 

What you wanna talk about?

 

I have zilch reads on you. We need to interact for this to happen.

 

Actually, rereading the Zander posts, kinda like where he's heading. I like that he's questioning me.

 

 

 

You straight up shouldnt my dear......

 

 

 

My quotes are broken. T.T

 

Anyway, Zander and anyone else who asks about Penny's unvote of Cass, it's acknowledging that it's a joke vote. Otherwise she would have pushed through with it.

 

 

 

Again and I think its been pretty clear ITS NOT THE JOKE VOTE ITSELF!!!! ITS THE TIMING!!!!!

[Lenlo]

I dont remember ever playing with Cass, sadly.

[Shad_]

 

 

 

 

 

download libre office.

 

it's free and awesome.

+100000000 for spreadsheets. I still prefer a plain format-stripping text editor.

 

Shad! Thoughts and stuff?

 

on p10 atm, baby just fell asleep on my lap, if I can get him to stay that way I'll sneak over to my desktop and speed things up a bit. Any particular questions for me in the meantime?

 

 

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the people who are scum reading you.

 

Cool. I'll have a lot to say about the Lenlo discussion when I'm caught up. If there were any other reasons I haven't seen them yet so lmk.

[Kaylee]

Aww someone loves me. Zander

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

 

 

 

download libre office.

 

it's free and awesome.

+100000000 for spreadsheets. I still prefer a plain format-stripping text editor.

 

Shad! Thoughts and stuff?

 

on p10 atm, baby just fell asleep on my lap, if I can get him to stay that way I'll sneak over to my desktop and speed things up a bit. Any particular questions for me in the meantime?

 

 

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the people who are scum reading you.

 

Cool. I'll have a lot to say about the Lenlo discussion when I'm caught up. If there were any other reasons I haven't seen them yet so lmk.

 

The Lenlo discussion? Geez, what am I doing that every game has one of those lately?!

[Shad_]

It's really about me this time sugar.

[Lenlo]

It's really about me this time sugar.

<3

[Zander?]

For one thing, Zander

I'm Lenny..

 

Secondly

 

Contradictions are not inherently scummy. I think you're trying too hard to pull at straws, but that in itself isn't scummy.

 

I clarified why I tone read and hate it. It works, so I do it. I'd much rather prefer to use my brain, but that often leads to WIFOM. Also, I'd like for a chance to use my brain, thank you very much. Going to reread the Shad bit, because I am not convinced atm.

 

I still want to town read you, but this kind of nitpicking/TMI makes me a little reluctant. I admit that there's some confirmation bias, because I have a tendency to town-read people who call me town. 

 

 

Sorry my dear about the name mix up!!!

 

 

 

Thats the look on my face when I read this post....

 

Contradictions arent scummy??!!!  My very first game, Cory got me a mentor ALOT was his name....and the first piece of advice to me was....look for contradictions they more often then not lead to Scum....its worked very well for my thus far!!!!

 

And elaborate on your grasping at straws/nitpicking and most important the TMI comments there Penny because imo they have 0 merit and are a poor look from you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

this is not true all the time and you know it.

 

Do you believe, even if it is inaccurate, that this is her honest opinion? You're saying she's remembering incorrectly or is lying deliberately or neither.

I believe this is her honest opinion despite forgetting that simple fact.

I want to know what you think of me, actually. And since I trust you so far, I would also like your gut reads.

(What works, works. Meh.)

I think your slight town so far. Although I have my reservations. Cass as slight town too. Shad feels iffy to me a bit. I want to hear more from Laine.

I actually have nothing on Shad so far. He hasn't appeared yet to talk to me, but what Pizza/Lenlo said about his claiming he has meta on other people was interesting to me. I'd be curious to know what meta he actually has.

Talk to me about Shad. Gut read?

Yeah, from reading his posts once I joined. They seem a bit forced. What reads do you have?

I'm liking Cass, you, Pizza, maybe Lainey.

 

Reservations on calling Shad town or scum until he comes back to defend himself.

 

Lenlo and Kaylee are slightly towny for now.

 

Other people need to stop ignoring me and talk to me.

 

 

 

 

Concerning reads...WHY???

I can go back and pull out single posts in isolation, if it tickles your fancy. 

 

 

 

Yes it most certainly would!!!!

 

We are not the same person. Just because we hydra'd together doesn't mean anything :|

 

Again im sorry and Ill try to not mix you ladies up again (or at least not very often)

 

 

lololololololol

[Celeste]

Lenny were we mafia with Lenlo before or am I thinking of someone else?

[wish-tree]

You did it again :|

 

-_-;

 

I have to leave for dinner. 

[wish-tree]

Lenny were we mafia with Lenlo before or am I thinking of someone else?

It might have been someone else. I know we were Mafia trying to lynch Lenlo. XD

[Celeste]

 

For one thing, Zander

I'm Lenny..

 

Secondly

 

Contradictions are not inherently scummy. I think you're trying too hard to pull at straws, but that in itself isn't scummy.

 

I clarified why I tone read and hate it. It works, so I do it. I'd much rather prefer to use my brain, but that often leads to WIFOM. Also, I'd like for a chance to use my brain, thank you very much. Going to reread the Shad bit, because I am not convinced atm.

 

I still want to town read you, but this kind of nitpicking/TMI makes me a little reluctant. I admit that there's some confirmation bias, because I have a tendency to town-read people who call me town. 

 

 

 

Sorry my dear about the name mix up!!!

 

 

 

Thats the look on my face when I read this post....

 

Contradictions arent scummy??!!!  My very first game, Cory got me a mentor ALOT was his name....and the first piece of advice to me was....look for contradictions they more often then not lead to Scum....its worked very well for my thus far!!!!

 

And elaborate on your grasping at straws/nitpicking and most important the TMI comments there Penny because imo they have 0 merit and are a poor look from you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With that said, bye. *poofs*

Another tell for Celeste being town is her scum reading me. That's something I expect, because she's a lot more uncertain of herself as town and also absolutely can't read me. ;)

 

this is not true all the time and you know it.

 

Do you believe, even if it is inaccurate, that this is her honest opinion? You're saying she's remembering incorrectly or is lying deliberately or neither.

I believe this is her honest opinion despite forgetting that simple fact.

I want to know what you think of me, actually. And since I trust you so far, I would also like your gut reads.

(What works, works. Meh.)

I think your slight town so far. Although I have my reservations. Cass as slight town too. Shad feels iffy to me a bit. I want to hear more from Laine.

I actually have nothing on Shad so far. He hasn't appeared yet to talk to me, but what Pizza/Lenlo said about his claiming he has meta on other people was interesting to me. I'd be curious to know what meta he actually has.

Talk to me about Shad. Gut read?

Yeah, from reading his posts once I joined. They seem a bit forced. What reads do you have?

I'm liking Cass, you, Pizza, maybe Lainey.

Reservations on calling Shad town or scum until he comes back to defend himself.

Lenlo and Kaylee are slightly towny for now.

Other people need to stop ignoring me and talk to me.

 

 

Concerning reads...WHY???

I can go back and pull out single posts in isolation, if it tickles your fancy.

 

 

Yes it most certainly would!!!!

 

We are not the same person. Just because we hydra'd together doesn't mean anything :|

 

 

Again im sorry and Ill try to not mix you ladies up again (or at least not very often)

 

 

lololololololol

Did you mean Lenny is not town earlier?

[Lenlo]

All you lucky people, who got mentors. Ive never had a mentor. ;_;

 

Lenny were we mafia with Lenlo before or am I thinking of someone else?

Youve never been mafia with me before. Ive only been scum once since returning.

 

Zander, im with you. Contradictions are a great place to start looking. They are not 100% to lead you to scum though. I think you have to look at the intent behind the posts that lead to the contradictions.

[wish-tree]

Anyway, dinner time.

 

I don't understand how Zander is reading me if he thinks I'm Penny... We're two completely different players.

[Zander?]

 

 

My quotes are broken. T.T

 

Anyway, Zander and anyone else who asks about Penny's unvote of Cass, it's acknowledging that it's a joke vote. Otherwise she would have pushed through with it.

As I told her, it wasn't the fact that she unvoted, but the timing that was off. Not sure why you feel you need to defend her though she's already said the same thing. She didn't address the timing which is what was being questioned.

 

oh, I just like being right about my town reads

 

Was catching up, anyway, so must have missed that

 

I don't see any issues with the timing?

 

 

 

When someone unvotes after being pressured/questioned about it would you not say that person is Scum more often then not?

 

 

The timing was because I would have forgotten that I joke vote her which happens sometimes XD

 

 

MEH

[Turin Turambar]

 

 

 

 

@ Cass, I would say that Lenlo posting in that manner is completely null for him (1). Also too early for it to mean anything about Shad as they were basically the only two in thread at that time (2).

Ty! (*Numbers added to points for reference)

1) What differences would you expect from Lenlo as either alignment?

2) Do you have a read on either?

In that particular jokey exchange I would expect Len to be exactly the same in either alignment. He loves to have fun with the other players even if it makes him potentially look bad. The fun is (or at least was) more important to him. That is why I said it is completely null.

 

Now if at a later time he tries to use that read as valid then I would find him most suspicious.

 

You havent played in awhile Turrin...are you familiar with Len's current style? Ive only played with him since he's come back and every game he keeps getting better and better and Ive seen him as Town, Scum and 3rd party. I think you need to make sure you factor his evolution as an even better player into your read of him.

Umm. What part of completely null did you not understand? I may not have had time to.play but I still follow the games. I have observed Lenlo in them. To me his desire to have fun is not inconsistent with his desire to.play better and want to win.

 

Disagree with my thoughts about Shad all you want. He could have given something to back up his claim. It reads to me he just threw it out there. Why? I dunno.

 

Now I need to sleep. See you in the morning

[Celeste]

My quotes are broken. T.T

Anyway, Zander and anyone else who asks about Penny's unvote of Cass, it's acknowledging that it's a joke vote. Otherwise she would have pushed through with it.

 

As I told her, it wasn't the fact that she unvoted, but the timing that was off. Not sure why you feel you need to defend her though she's already said the same thing. She didn't address the timing which is what was being questioned.

oh, I just like being right about my town reads

 

Was catching up, anyway, so must have missed that

 

I don't see any issues with the timing?

 

 

When someone unvotes after being pressured/questioned about it would you not say that person is Scum more often then not?

Not all the time because it could honestly be a confusing townie if it happens in the beginning.

 

 

 

The timing was because I would have forgotten that I joke vote her which happens sometimes XD

 

 

MEH

:p