World's End Mafia - town wins comprehensively

[Guest]

I was gonna do something else but reading the back and forth between Len and Pizza is way too much fun!!!!!

 

 

Lol, I have to agree with this.

[BFG]

 

I was gonna do something else but reading the back and forth between Len and Pizza is way too much fun!!!!!

 

 

Lol, I have to agree with this.

 

I miss Vos playing

[Zander?]

 

 

Ok why Nikon?

 

Rudimentary "notepad read" reasons.

 

 

Nikon

 

- #132 meh, #134 reads and has zero content but to complain about how it’s spammy. if doesn’t develop kill with fire

 

 

I know it says nothing about Nikon himself but I always find wolves tend to be people the people in my notepad with very little contributions and no positive content.

 

For me its not enough to say "low content is null" when I feel that town equity is draining from every player every given second they aren't doing something and only the fish swimming upstream with all their might deserve a townread. The thread has been pretty villagery so far, imo, which bears down on the people who aren't actively participating more than usual.

 

Ok, but why Nikon over Nolder? Or even Shad or Bessie...

 

 

 

Why these names in particular BFG?

[Guest]

 

 

Nailed that one exactly on the 9001 post. Dat timing.

 

I love this smiley!

 

 

 

 

OMG ZANDER

 

YOU'RE OVER 9000

OMW OMW OMW!!!!!

 

I AM!!!!

 

ID LIKE TO THANK GOD, MY LORD AND SAVIOR!!!! I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK DM FOR NOT BANNING ME FOR SPAMMING!!!! I LIKE TO THANK MAFIA FOR BEING SO DAMN ADDICTIVE!!!! ID LIKE TO MORE IMPORTANTLY LIKE TO THANK ALL THE AMAZING FRANDS IVE MADE HERE <3 :wub:

 

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY ID LIKE TO THANK MYSELF FOR BEING GOAT!!!!!

 

 

lolololololololol

Meh. Let me know when you reach 10 000.

 

Ahahaha.

[Zander?]

 

I was gonna do something else but reading the back and forth between Len and Pizza is way too much fun!!!!!

 

 

Lol, I have to agree with this.

 

 

lolololololol

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Nailed that one exactly on the 9001 post. Dat timing.

 

I love this smiley!

 

 

 

OMG ZANDER

 

YOU'RE OVER 9000

OMW OMW OMW!!!!!

 

I AM!!!!

 

ID LIKE TO THANK GOD, MY LORD AND SAVIOR!!!! I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK DM FOR NOT BANNING ME FOR SPAMMING!!!! I LIKE TO THANK MAFIA FOR BEING SO DAMN ADDICTIVE!!!! ID LIKE TO MORE IMPORTANTLY LIKE TO THANK ALL THE AMAZING FRANDS IVE MADE HERE <3 :wub:

 

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY ID LIKE TO THANK MYSELF FOR BEING GOAT!!!!!

 

 

lolololololololol

Meh. Let me know when you reach 10 000.

 

Ahahaha.

 

 

Harsh imo!!!!

 

lololololol

[BFG]

 

 

 

Ok why Nikon?

 

Rudimentary "notepad read" reasons.

 

 

Nikon

 

- #132 meh, #134 reads and has zero content but to complain about how it’s spammy. if doesn’t develop kill with fire

 

 

I know it says nothing about Nikon himself but I always find wolves tend to be people the people in my notepad with very little contributions and no positive content.

 

For me its not enough to say "low content is null" when I feel that town equity is draining from every player every given second they aren't doing something and only the fish swimming upstream with all their might deserve a townread. The thread has been pretty villagery so far, imo, which bears down on the people who aren't actively participating more than usual.

 

Ok, but why Nikon over Nolder? Or even Shad or Bessie...

 

 

 

Why these names in particular BFG?

 

Because I think they were the same level in his unsorted list. While Besie and Shad may have posted enough to be shifted or updated, I'm pretty sure Nolder hasn't.

[Cory Caboose]

Pub Crawl Champions

 

BFG - probably a lot of reasons why I have her here even in terms of just plain singular posts that echo with what I expect of her villager game (her looseness is #135, her willingness to combat Zander and then even me ever-so-slightly in #324 and #331, her literally gorgeous read on dice in #328 that is exactly how she would process dice's content up to that point and a large amount of other postings I haven't even marked down because I don't really feel the need to). There's just a I can tell element with her; she's open-handed, free flowing, is processing information and clearly has the gears turning in her head that I generally see. Sometimes you can just see a flower blooming and know it's a good thing. She's interested, involved and putting herself out there far more than I think she reflexively does as wolf. As long as she continues to play at this level I would defend her pretty much to the death. Only be wary if her interest level wanes as the game progressess, but all I can see is steps in the right direction.

 

Zander - Zander certainly has no trouble posting as a wolf but the content always feels different to me on either side. His wolf game is riddled with more self-protection, aggression toward anything he thinks "looks bad" (frequently pushing teammates though I think he is outgrowing that) and a general tendency to sort of try and box himself in with other people who are being read villager. There's quite a few "mental note" posts he's made this game that I think come from him as a villager the vast majority of the time; he said something about the way I treat him when I am a wolf that was almost identical to something he said as a wolf in a turbo, which in one of my logic thought hoops really makes me lean v hard because I think it's something he truly believes but might shy away from saying again if he were a wolf here. Might only make sense to me, but that's a fractional thing; his breadth of content is very good, he's actively looking in all directions and is committed. #25, #64, #115, #160 were my early marks for his general mindset, emotional commitment and level of observation that makes me comfortable with him. Another person I've really stopped taking notes on, at least for the moment.

 

Can probably pound a couple back and still be chill

 

Lenlo - The easiest way to say this is that Lenlo's take on Pizza this game is indescribably similar to his read on Eldrick in the Ragnarok game; Lenlo isn't necessarily the best at A) explaining how he feels B) explaining how the thread supports his read and C) convincing others of his reads, but that's not going to stop him from getting intro scraps and swinging the axe around. Lenlo has done nothing to shy away from the spotlight and while its had mixed result he continues to be there and honestly there's nothing I've seen that I really associate with his scum game. #126, #127, #130, #153 (possible derpclear*), #162 - which I have marked as "oh Lenlo!", which is amusing to me because I don't know what the content is, but I have a plus for it and notepad is always right - all things I have as positive regardless of what others think, considering Lenlo is not someone you can really read linearly. Majorly, he's here and doing things, and that's always a good sign for him, because while Lenlo can post as a wolf there's less of a will to move things forward AFAICT.

 

Most of my debate early d1 was whether or not I felt I "knew better" the the crowd of players calling for his head d1 and whether or not I should intervene or maybe just see what they had. After sitting back some I'm not comfortable at all with him as a lynch option today but I can understand at least some of where the heat came from, I just don't think it's from things that are really indicative of his alignment.

 

Sooh - This is probably the least founded on here and has more to do with her early tone than anything. She makes an early read on dice and interjects Zander irt to Pizza early and has makes broad strokes at communications attempts (#120) yet seems to be consciously struggling (#225) in a way that feels to me more like a villager having difficultly processing information than a wolf failing to find a way to fabricate reads.

Really do want more from her before EoD, as her content has sort of died off and I think this read might be premature, but I still think she's > rand to be a villager.

 

[Guest]

Thoughts on Pizza

 

 

This is just an observation that may count for nothing.

 

Initially, it seemed that others (Zander and jokingly, Lenlo) thought his word count was an indication of his alignment. Apparently, he usually types more when he is town. After posts pointing that out, his word count increased considerably with chapters of books being written after page 30. Is that coincidence? Or did he purposefully increase his word count?

 

 

 

I really liked Lenlo's argument/thoughts on Pizza on page 36. It makes sense to me; I agree with it.

 

I further agree with Shad's opinion on Nikon on page 36 as well. I see where you were coming from, Z, but the idea of him simply being overwhelmed makes more sense to me than him shying away because of being scum. I'm not going to appreciate it if he turns out to be scum.

 

I feel like pizza and cory are on opposite ends of lenlo. Pizza is convinced he's scum, whilst cory said he would defend lenlo (page 16). I don't know anymore, Len. Whose opinions should I trust, in addition to my initial scum-Len thoughts?

 

×××

 

And then it went on. And on. And on. Lenlo vs Pizza. In which time, Lenlo seemed the calm of the two. 

 

 

I'm still catching up.  At page 40 now.

[Cory Caboose]

Might get a beer with, but not sure

 

Dice - dice's willingness to put his foot down early on several topics (IE Lenlo) is usually a good sign more often than a bad sign but there's some trepidation for me simply because I know dice plays differently as a wolf when I am in the game. He is extremely capable of faking (or maybe genuinely acting out) his trademark abrasiveness in spurts and in doing so has become a somewhat conflicting read for me at times though I usually work it out. His early breadth of posting was null for me, but he re-entry to the thread made me consider otherwise. I need more to work with before I can cement a read so this is a mild lean for now, but I don't really wan to give away what I am looking for atm.

 

Shad - his posts and general content have been fine, but nothing that's out of his general wolf range. light good early feelings but need to see a progression and various other things before i really feel one way or another.

 

Heard they might be lightweights

 

Besie - Meh. Zander's the only reason she's this high. I'm not confident here and nothing she's posted so far has rung out to me as noteworthy.

 

Nolder - Another slot I'm struggling to read a bit, Nolder seems a bit lost and at times I think that follows his villager game more than his wolf game. But he's not going to the light green / grey pile yet by any means. Need more, need to see what he wants to do and how he wants to follow up because most of his content circles that argument with Lenlo that I can't bother to consider.

 

Tina - See the "need more" category. Bad feelings but willing to give her time to prove herself, but maybe less time than what might be necessary. IDK. We'll see.

 

Pizza - Sucks but this is sort of PoE more than anything else and I know I've been in this spot before and hated it, but it is what it is. I know what he's capable of as a wolf (certainly everything here) and regardless of his general appeals he's been making a ton of excuses as to why he's been less than visible this game and I'm not ready to give him a pass because of [value], especially in a game where dead villagers can still post. He's someone I'm less comfortable reading on content and more comfortable reading on momentum and it is lacking here. Meh.

I'm not holding his hair back if he starts puking after his second drink

 

Nikon - I have literally at least one reason for thinking everyone else in this thread is a villager except Nikon. Obviously I'm not right about all of those reasons, but Occam's Razor screams that "the person who hasn't been villagery when most people have been is probably very likely to be a wolf", so IDK, suck on that jolly rancher for a bit.

 

[Cory Caboose]

Ok, but why Nikon over Nolder? Or even Shad or Bessie...

 

Shad I think has at least some quality posts and I'm willing to give him a little space to see what he'll do with it now that time is being more compressed.

 

Besie I'd probably be more insistent with if not for Zander. I know that might be wrong and stupid but a handshake is a handshake and I have no reason to not at least consider a person we both have in the PoE at this stage.

 

Nolder... IDK. Something about his little lost puppy act appeals to me in a dumb way, which is probably me and not what anyone seriously attempting to read the slot should make. He's certainly in my nulls.

[Cory Caboose]

 

I'm feeling generous tonight for a multitude a reasons so I'm going to give a reads list and I'm actually going to explain what I think for once.

 

Unless I change my mind before I post it, which is possible, in which case lolololol

Insert bert gif

 

 

Why would you hurt my feelings like that

[Cory Caboose]

I'm not asleep yet and I figure I mineswell stay up til the girlfriend gets out of work so I'll be up longer yet

 

AMA

[BFG]

 

 

I'm feeling generous tonight for a multitude a reasons so I'm going to give a reads list and I'm actually going to explain what I think for once.

 

Unless I change my mind before I post it, which is possible, in which case lolololol

Insert bert gif

 

 

Why would you hurt my feelings like that

 

 

Transparency is sort of your thing

[Niniel]

Good morning! I´m here and I will put a little more time into the game this morning. I think I want to do an iso on a few people. I have read the whole thread but that doesn´t mean that I remember much. I started to take notes but that fell after page 15. lol 

 

Here are my initial thoughts:

 

First - who is voting who? It feels like there are few people voting and those who did unvoted. 

 

I couldn´t read everything in the back and forth between Lenlo and Pizza but I think I got the major parts (because they were stated again and again and again...) First to Lenlo - I did not agree with Pizza. I was the second vote on your train, before Pizza. Second - my thoughts about it now:

 

* my reason for voting Lenlo was that it felt like he was trying to accuse Dice without actually doing it. Like he didn´t dare to vote him but still wanted to make him look scummy. Someone asked me (Shad? Zander?) why that would make him mafia. I have seen that many time, where mafia don´t want to take responsibility for leading someones lynch or being afraid of definite statements. 

 

I think this was Pizza´s first reason for voting Lenlo too and in that we agree(d). But I didn´t like the way he went after Lenlo and said that everything Lenlo said was scummy. He was obviously tunnelling Lenlo. I´m not sure what I feel about his unvote because I don´t think I really understand the reason for it. Need to read it again.

 

I liked Lenlo´s post #812 and now I need to figure out if I want to unvote him or not. I´ll see as I re-read some stuff. 

 

 

Even though I have a problem with Zander´s amount of posting I think he looks really good. 

 

Cory - don´t know but haven´t seen anything scummy. I kind of liked some of his posts toward Pizza but they haven´t really been about this game but more a meta-talk about how to approach mafia. I see that he posted a new list while I´m writing this so I will check it out.

 

BFG - she is asking a lot of questions, which she does as both alignments. She posts a lot, which is a good sign since I know that she has been afraid of posting too much as mafia earlier. (This is from at least half a year ago so I don´t know how it is now.) I still don´t think I have seen any results of the answers she has been given. Yesterday she just ended with "I´ll wait and see what Tina says when she comes back". (Which seems to be built on Cory´s suspicioun of me.) Well, now I´m back so I hope that I could get some clear statements about everyone. 

 

Nikon - isn´t here.

 

Shad - he posted a lot but he got mixed up with Zander-Lenlo-Pizza in my head so I don´t really remember his thoughts.

 

Nolder - Is laying low. Answers when questioned. Nothing so far.

 

Besie - I see that many of you think she is town but I haven´t payed attention to her so far (sorry Besie). Will need to iso.

 

Sooh - didn´t get good vibes from her earlier. I think it was about Lenlo. She had a bad feeling about Lenlo, then wanted to clear him, then liked what I and other said about him and then... I don´t know what she has written after that. Need to iso as well.

 

Who did I forget? 

[Cory Caboose]

It's more of the streamlined joke that nowadays I just post pretty colored lists and frequently don't explain my reads, which is usually a decent assesment on early d1 and a terrible assessment any time after early d1, but let's not pretend people have an established "post-d1 cory villager meta" because how many games do i even get there? 

 

The more honest thing to say is that my patience level for seeing what people are going to do without my intervention is running low so I am going to start lighting some fires and see what burns 

[Cory Caboose]

The biggest problem for me is that I think I have too many people who are villagers, which usually means I'm wrong somewhere. I intend to figure it out.

 

In terms of what it matters for this game that's not exactly easy to quantify, It's probably a good problem to have, as it implies there are many villagers who are being villagery, which is essential. Villaging requires vigilance, wolfing requires endurance. Vigilance comes easier.

[BFG]

I get what you're saying wrt Nikon and I'm not a fan of the 'i have thoughts, but I'm not sharing them', BUT he's just not been around (and given my participation in the last few games I'm not going to lambast somebody for not posting). Games at 40odd pages, but has been going for less than 2 days, both of which are significant family days /shrug

 

I'm willing to see what he comes back with, I had to work hard to not bus him in OUAT (and may have done in the end) and although that may have been bias/TMI I don't think he'll be hard to read once playing (I say that with no memory of his town game whatsoever and no real memory of that game other than I thought he was scummy)

[Niniel]

Oh, I forgot Dice and Nikon.

 

Nikon - well, he hasn´t been here.

 

Dice - I´ll go with my initial feelings because I haven´t seen much of him since.

 

Now to re-read. 

[Cory Caboose]

Transparency is sort of your thing

 

And for future reference, because apparently I feel like talking a lot right now: I am more transparent with how I feel than with what I think.

 

There are a lot of times I hold back what I think because I need to see this or that without actually actively provoking it. At this point, I just sort of can't help myself and want to start getting more involved, so that's probably just a personal problem. We live with our vices.

[Cory Caboose]

I get what you're saying wrt Nikon and I'm not a fan of the 'i have thoughts, but I'm not sharing them', BUT he's just not been around (and given my participation in the last few games I'm not going to lambast somebody for not posting). Games at 40odd pages, but has been going for less than 2 days, both of which are significant family days /shrug

 

I'm willing to see what he comes back with, I had to work hard to not bus him in OUAT (and may have done in the end) and although that may have been bias/TMI I don't think he'll be hard to read once playing (I say that with no memory of his town game whatsoever and no real memory of that game other than I thought he was scummy)

 

That's fair and I'm not crucifying him or anything

 

But how long do we give him? Do you want to know the sheer amount of times playing mafia where either I have thought someone is a wolf but either I considered or someone else has told me "we need to give x more time" and I reluctantly agree and then suddenly the day was over and I woke up the next morning in dead thread?

 

I know that can't happen here because of the mechanics but I still want to lynch wolves, LDO

[Niniel]

No, before I re-read - does anyone know the vc? Did Lenlo vote Pizza?

[Cory Caboose]

There's a line, and while it hasn't been crossed yet it's coming up in the distance. When it does, remember the biggest idiom about hesitance. 

[Cory Caboose]

No, before I re-read - does anyone know the vc? Did Lenlo vote Pizza?

 

I'd help but things are starting to get blurry and my random page sorting didn't find me a recent vote count

Sorry Tina

[BFG]

 

I get what you're saying wrt Nikon and I'm not a fan of the 'i have thoughts, but I'm not sharing them', BUT he's just not been around (and given my participation in the last few games I'm not going to lambast somebody for not posting). Games at 40odd pages, but has been going for less than 2 days, both of which are significant family days /shrug

 

I'm willing to see what he comes back with, I had to work hard to not bus him in OUAT (and may have done in the end) and although that may have been bias/TMI I don't think he'll be hard to read once playing (I say that with no memory of his town game whatsoever and no real memory of that game other than I thought he was scummy)

 

That's fair and I'm not crucifying him or anything

 

But how long do we give him? Do you want to know the sheer amount of times playing mafia where either I have thought someone is a wolf but either I considered or someone else has told me "we need to give x more time" and I reluctantly agree and then suddenly the day was over and I woke up the next morning in dead thread?

 

I know that can't happen here because of the mechanics but I still want to lynch wolves, LDO

 

At the moment there's still no deadline, so I don't think we're at the indefinable line yet. POE is starting to shrink though, although it doesn't feel right just yet