[Advanced] Nightmare Before Christmas - Town Wins!

[Shad_]

Screw it.  All in.  Copypasta of my notes/post-engagement post if AJ failed to redeem himself.  AJ ISO isn't finished yet in them.  [v]Andrej[/v]

 

Ok, it has come time to lay this out.

As EoD was approaching, I was pretty universally town read--both for Laine's actions and for my own.  I think maybe one or two people had me at null, and that was the worst of it.  I was, moreover, in a position where I could have voted either Snow or Nolder without need for much further justification.

Every player in this game has enough experience with me to know that I would not panic in this situation as scum.  If you initially doubt that, think about it.  Think about it hard.  ISO my other games if you have to, but you shouldn't have to.

There are only two options here: either I was scum pulling some gambit, or I was town pulling some gambit.  That is the question you all have to resolve.  I intentionally drew negative attention to myself when I was sitting pretty.  Am I capable of doing this as either alignment?  Yes.

My game has run its course, so here's why I did it:

I didn't have a top lynch candidate at EoD.  If you've never faced an EoD where you felt pretty damn uncertain, you're kidding yourself.  I felt that Snow and Nolder were better options than Tab, but I didn't have very high confidence in my reads and was very willing to humor that town majority knew better.  I considered not voting at all.  That's boring.  I had a lot of town equity, so I decided to stir the pot and create a situation where I could get a better read on all of you.  I did a lot of things that were strange and confusing.  I pretended to blindly follow Zander after he'd called me out for doing the same with AJ.  I faked switching my vote without unvoting.  I unvoted with only a few minutes to spare, and let the day end on that.

Very few scum are going to immediately leap on this and call it scummy, because it worries them.  They don't know what sort of game I'm up to, and unless they're pretty oblivious, they ought to know I was playing one.  Some town will naturally react to a dozen apparent red flags by calling it out.  Others will pause and think about it a while.  You should have a general feel for who would do what.  Dice, Zander, and Lenlo reacting the way they did was super-townie and totally consistant with where their minds should be if they don't know my alignment.  I doubt Pizza or BFG would ever call it inherently scummy as town, and if they are scum, they* were self-aware enough to follow this line.

*writing this before BFG has actually shown back up.  If I fail to remember to edit accordingly when she gets here and my statement is false, you should probably lynch her with extreme prejudice.

AJ could follow both paths as town.  When he's searching for scum, he can sit back and view the big picture.  When something really strikes him, he's entirely unforgiving and rarely allows previous town behavior to stand in his way.  It was possible, though unlikely, that AJ might read EoD and walk away with the conviction that I am scum.  I say unlikely because he has seen me gamble many times as either alignment.  I don't think he particularly likes it, but he knows it's something town!Shad might do.

But here's the real kicker.  If town!AJ reads EoD and decides I'm scum, then he thinks I'm scum because of EoD.  He doesn't care that I've done towny things in the past.  He doesn't care that I had a crystal clean track record prior.  No excuses.  In his mind I outed myself, and he's going to see me hang.

AJ didn't react that way.  Instead, he did look back, and he spun my past actions.  He says I "clear quite a few people [shad]'s been toying with like Nolder/NotBob" as if this troubles him.  This is an incredibly bizzare statement.  I think when town!AJ assesses my slot, he looks for two things: am I engaging people to develop reads on them, and am I lynching scum.  I didn't accomplish the latter.  The former has been incredibly obvious.  Town!AJ right now either 1) thinks that's a townie sign but doesn't care because EoD gave him firm conviction, or 2) thinks that the questioning and subsequent reads felt fake/forced.  Town!AJ is never going to call me out for the basic fact that I prodded people and resolved on other-than-scum reads as a consequence.

I've asked him to explain this comment.  As I am writing this, he has yet to respond.  I believe he is scum who felt that D1 EoD alone was not sufficient to secure my mislynch, so he dug for something else and landed on a fabricated reason which does not align with his town meta.

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Writing this after posting #1390:

AJ's not the sort of player who should need to "feel pressure" in order to show up when he sees a direct question.  Does his delay worry me a little?  Yeah.  That's a natural feeling that I can't help.  But he did get a little disgruntled as a mod in Pulp Fiction when I, as scum, started playing the delay game.  So I don't want to read too terribly much into it unless he shows up but avoids the question later, and I'm willing to give him the "busy irl" benefit of the doubt to an extent.

On the other hand: I play the good cop.  It's important to me that AJ fails to recognize the extent to which I am suspicious of him.  He knows that I'm leery.  He doesn't know that I'm nearly committed to lynching him at this point.  Under less pressure, I think that scum!AJ is more likely to continue to do scummy things rather than abandon a faux case on me and spoon feed me the sort of town tells I'm still open enough to look for.

So in short, I think not voting him accomplishes more than voting him at this point.

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AJ ISO

#78 -- Likes Snow's enthusiasm but explains that it's hard to kick-start a game on the weekend.  ~~Honest enough.  AJ is usually one of the people doing the kick-starting, but he's certainly not wrong here.

#80 -- Notes that half of the roster hasn't checked in yet.

#94 -- Ok with treating Snow's attitude as town for now, would like to hear from players who have more experience with him.  ~~My initial reaction was that he didn't do this as scum in Usual Suspects, but I never actually got around to verifying, and I think I might just be remembering his long absence later on in that game.

#210 -- Says he was going to ask Pizza why he voted Nolder, but sees that Pizza explained later.  Says it wasn't the reason he was expecting.

-- Agrees with Pizza that Dice is best read through his tone and sense of humor.  Adds that Dice is more willing to extrapolate as town.

-- Suggests that he'll be an easy town read soon enough.

-- Asks Laine if her nulls are ordered, wants her to explain her reasoning if they are.  Agrees that Dice and Lenlo are probably town.  Isn't comfortable calling Thane town yet after getting fooled D1 in Diablo.

-- Impressed by the work Pizza put into analyzing Nolder, says Nolder is a generally easy read.  Says Nolder exhibits a certain pattern of behavior as scum, but doesn't want to lay that out until Nolder has posted more.  ~~I know he town reads Nolder later.  Does he add more to this in light of our argument last night?  I would kind of expect him to be either hard defending Nolder at this point (in D2) or explaining why he isn't.  I don't think he has done either yet.  Could be a time limitation thing.
 

 

Sorry bout the quote chains, I just quote things I am interested in or want to respond to as I catch up.

As for Nolder, thank you. I can see what you are saying but this game has only been up for 20 hours or so. Yeah he popped in and then dipped, but that was very early on before any real content started. He could have gone to sleep, or had something to do cause its the weekend. So while I dont disagree with your assessment of those two games/his scum game, I wanna give him abit of time to get involved now that we have gotten serious.

If upon his return he stays consistent with your case then I will feel good following you and voting him.

Oh hey Nomi. Haha, that game. Never hard bussing like that again.

I mostly agree with Lenlo's stance here re: Nolder. Give the dude some time and more rope to (potentially) hang himself with.

Lenlo looks pretty villagery so far imo.

I guess you're gonna take my advice from last game and actually think about stuff, hm? I'm proud of you :P

 

~~I commented earlier that this read like potential TMI to me.  Lenlo taking AJ's advice to think things through more != Lenlo being town.  If anything it means that he could be a deeper wolf than he's been in the past.  However, AJ isn't necessarily saying that and it's probably null, just something that struck me both times I read it and then faded both times I really thought about it.

-- Snow had voted AJ for what he perceived as a lack of willingness to take action early on.  He calls it "tenacity", which probably isn't the right word.  (Maybe the reason Snow was confused by his own statement later on?)  AJ explains that there wasn't really anything to take action on ~~fair enough~~ and "I appreciate your enthusiasm but it was sort of forced in a generic/hokey kind of way. Like I don't think it actually really accomplished anything really meaningful"

~~Red didn't ping me on my initial read.  Has me kind of wondering this time.  AJ "appreciates" something that he finds "forced"?  That doesn't really jive.  I personally agree that it feels forced, but I accepted it because I've seen town!Snow do it before.  But AJ doesn't connect the thoughts with this sort of observation.  There's a gap.  If he thinks it's forced, there has to be a reason why he still thinks it's townie, and it's kind of unnatural to not state that reason.  TMI again?

#218 -- thinks Lenlo has been more "thoughtful/thorough(?)" in this game than when he was mislynched in Diablo.

 

 

[Andrej]

I think town!AJ tells me to quit playing games and explain wth I was up to at EoD.  I don't think he calls it scummy without engaging me and then prepares that deflection when I start questioning him.

 

Explain then.

 

I have given you my perspective and the conclusion I have come to is that I don't think you'd play dumb games as a villager. Making risky calls is one thing, pulling stunts when you tip toed around the wagons all Day is another.

 

And there was no 'preparation'. Your question was scummy so I put my foot down. I'm not looking to argue meta with you.

[Shad_]

Imma go to bed, got guests coming over tomorrow and it's already 2am.  Have fun chewing on that.

[Lenlo]

Thank you Shad. Finally someone just outright says something. I appreciate. Get some of that well earned rest.

[Lenlo]

Thats a really good, detailed post. I the fact that it exists. Im gonna sleep on it.

 

As of immediately reading it though, I still feel Tab needs to be resolved today.

[Lenlo]

I love the fact that*

[Andrej]

That is a colossal leap of assumption or just a completely bogus reason to scum read me.

 

Notice, just last night, I stated that I was going to read back from around page 40 forward.

 

This took me through EOD (first, mind you) and then into the Night discussion which brought about my other points of things I disliked about Shad (after reading EOD, follow along).

 

There was no looking back because I was able to read through everything in sequence. The only point that I think that could be validly raised is that I had knowledge of Snow's flip prior to reviewing all of that information - but the stuff that happened after EOD was fresh content.

[Andrej]

Also your bolded red argument in the spoiler is semantics.

 

I was telling Snow I appreciated his effort but because of said effort, it came across forced.

[Nolder]

Man this game is just a mess.

 

For my fellow townies I have some advice for you and I think it's important: Focus on what's going on in THIS game. Drop meta arguments completely.

 

I think scum are using meta and past games as a shield not to discuss this game. I don't even know who's scum and who's just getting drawn in anymore but if you're town don't be drawn in. Make arguments based on this game and this game only. Don't get deflected to defending yourself because you were scum in another game, it's completely irrelevant and imo anyone doing it past this point needs to be looked at with a heavy dose of suspicion.

 

I'm going to do a kind of reset now and look at who's died so far and see what I can glean from that if anything.

[Andrej]

I guess it's bedtime then.

 

If this is going to become a AJ/Shad train kinda Day, don't expect me not to have a seat.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Shad[/v]

 

[Leelou]

Vote Count 
 

AJ (2) - NotBob, Shad
Shad (2) - Dice, AJ

Tab (1) - Lenlo
Lenlo (1) - Nol 
BFG (1) - Pizza
 
It is now day. With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. 
 

[BFG]

Morning :)

 

Sorry for my absence, a project I'm working on is in the process of blowing up and I haven't had a lot of time outside that.

 

I'm going to read through from the End of Day 1 to see what I've missed and will hopefully be able to reread in full tonight!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Briefly:

 

Night of romance with Sooh which I delayed in the first place trying to clear as many people as I can with reasons.

 

Start of weekend here, sleep in. Later, Star Wars movie. Will be away most of today.

 

That means a good chunk of the actual town is not posting. Myself, Thane probably, Tabor possibly.

 

I have a brief and important assignment for the rest of you, and there is zero reason not to participate in my request. Absolutely zero, even if in some bizarro world you believe I'm the scummiest scum who ever scummed. In the event I cannot get my top scum candidate lynched, your non-participation in this request may be used as my SOLE REASON for voting you at end of day. So all you scumbags in particular better damned participate.

 

Your mandatory assignment for the remainder of D2 is to categorize me into something that is not null. That means a mild town lean or better, or a mild scum lean or better. Quantify for me if I am within your top X town, or bottom X scums.

 

Null is no longer a valid response. Not sure is no longer a valid response. I don't care if you are "paranoid" about me. Pick a side.

 

I require this information for my own solving purposes, the exact reason for which I ABSOLUTELY WILL MAKE CLEAR in such a manner that a five year old can fully understand why this is not an item of minor importance on my agenda for today.

 

Choose.

 

That is all.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Example of how easy this is:

 

Askthepizzaguy: Top 1 townie.

 

Simple simple. Takes three seconds of typing if you're slow. You've had all game to have a lean already embedded in your brain and you have over a day to solidify a lean if you have yet to do so.

 

I will literally weep if every townie that shows up does not do this, post-game beratements will occur. You've been warned.

[dicetosser1]

town but deep wolf candidate.  Dont want to tinfoil but probably will

[Nolder]

idk my bff jill??

[Nolder]

It's kind of scary that Xander still has the highest post count by 90 posts.

[Nolder]

Final D1 Vote Count

 

Snow (4) - Dice, AJ, Lenlo, BFG

Taborline (3) - Zander, NotBob, Nol

Nol (1) - Pizza

Zander (1) - Snow

Not Voting - Taborline, Shad, Thane

 

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.Deadline Wednesday 4 pm Pacific Time (GMT -8 hours)

 

Alright so let's make this simple, anyone voting Snow is suspect.

Anyone not voting is suspect.

 

That leaves us with a wide range of people: Dice, AJ, Lenlo, BFG, Taborline, Shad, Thane

 

I am skimming an ISO of each player, here's my thoughts.

 

Dice

 

 

Didn't see anything too notable until I got to his vote on Snow. In case you don't remember it was pretty bad. Something bugged him about his entrance to the thread so...let's lynch him. Ok well I know how that can be sometimes so let me go back and read Snow's entrance. Here it is. I don't see anything wrong with it or the next few posts following it so now that we know Snow is town I'd like to see Dice justify his choice and reasoning here a bit more. Particularly looking for WHY the entrance bothered you and what struck you as scummy about it.

 

Here's something interesting. When Snow joined the game his first vote was on Lenlo. After voting Snow he made a comment about thinking Lenlo is town. It's a small thing and not at all incriminating but mafia is about drawing connections. I was skimming so I may have missed it but is there any reason for Dice to think Lenlo is town at this point? Did he ever say why he had this read on him? It's possible it's scum buddy bias leaking out into his play. Or not, who knows. Something to consider in the future maybe.

 

Another interesting tidbit. Snow would have had a slight scum lean on Dice had others not been townreading him.

 

Some weird progression towards EOD. He was kind of grilling Taborline and very focused on her and then he said I was tomorrows (todays) autolynch. It's possible this was in response to something I said but since I'm only looking at Dice's posts out of context I can't really tell. A little while later he made a post saying he wouldn't lynch Tab today because it's "too obvious". Not sure what that's supposed to mean if the reason for her lynch is activity reasons. Dice can you clarify on that?

 

Re: lynching me, Dice did make this post asking me to explain myself. It didn't come off as threatening or accusatory but more of a "I want to be on your side but you need to give me a reason to be" kind of thing. At least that's how I felt about it at the time. I did find it kind of off putting that what he was mainly concerned about was why I was around after the deadline fell. Especially when he defended me earlier in the game regarding not posting in the game but posting elsewhere on the forum. I really don't know what to make of that.

 

And last thing he did was leave a vote on Shad. That's pretty confusing since it was supposed to be me or Tab who was "auto lynch" today.

Dice can you make a reads list so we know where you stand with everybody in the game?

 

 

 

AJ

 

 

Takes a position of Town on Lenlo pretty early.

 

Makes an excellent point re: Xander buddying as opposed to questioning as wolf. Possible Scum AJ would see town Xander as an early threat and good choice for night kill?

 

"I guess the best answer would be that if you don't think I'm a villager after a phase or two, and I'm still alive and not lynching scum then you should worry." 

 

AJ makes a point to note that he has my scum meta down and that he doesn't think that's what I'm doing. What I find notable about this is that I have gotten into long arguments now with at least 3 people. AJ can see that I don't really WANT to be in these arguments and that they're more frustrating for me than anything else. But he doesn't need to tell anyone else that. All he needs to say is that I'm engaging in these long form arguments on purpose and to anyone who really doesn't know my meta down to a T that's exactly what it would look like. His unwillingness to throw me under the bus despite my being an easy early mislynch speaks volumes imo.

 

It looks to me like his vote on Snow was based on Snow's strong approach at the start of the game and then weak follow through throughout the rest of D1.

 

Gives a reads list here. Lenlo and Dice are in his top town reads. Snow and Notbob at the bottom.

 

Asks Shad to help him lynch Snow. Shad never voted. His reasoning is that AJ was "sketching him out".

 

 

 

Lenlo

 

 

I don't want to beat a dead horse here but I will be going over the reasons I suspect Lenlo as being scum here. Let's start with the first thing I noted which is what I saw as fencesitting. "I can sort of see what your getting at with Nolder but before I do anything on the matter I want you to spell it out for me." The language of "I can sort of see" stands out to me as fencesitting.

 

Says early on Xander is "bugging" him. He gets into it with him and...then backs off because he apparently misread something?

 

This is more confusing than damning in my opinion but I'd like to note that he seemed to think it was my responsibility to comment on people (mainly Nomi) linking me to Notbob. Beyond saying "I'm not" I don't know what he was expecting of me and just found the whole thing really weird.

 

I asked him to give his thoughts on me/Nomi with regards to our discussion and he put me off for a bit because he was on the phone then he quoted me posts that contained his thoughts about Nomi's case on me before I'd entered the game and began interacting with Nomi. The whole thing seemed evasive to me.

 

Made a read list and had Snow as null. Interesting because he ends up voting Snow. The bottom two are myself and Xander. I find this weird as well because I thought he was cool with Xander after their scuffle earlier so I'm not sure why Xander ended up back on the bottom of his reads. It's also weird because either around this time or not too long after I think I came out with my suspicions about Xander so unless he thought we were w/w bussing each other it's all kind of a weird position for us all to be in you know what I mean?

 

So he switched at last minute from me to Snow where his other choice was Tab. I don't really fault his reasoning though. He said his town reads were voting Snow while his scum reads were voting Tab. I do kind of wish he had a better reason but...ehh...it's Day 1 what are you gonna do. At least he had some kind of reason right? That doesn't always happen.

 

Ok so at some point he switches back and forth between me and Tab a few times. Can't make up his mind which one of us he'd like to lynch more I guess. Or maybe he's trying to find the path of least resistance?

 

 

[Nolder]

Been working on this post for awhile but it's 2AM and I'm getting tired.

I figure I'll finish it tomorrow at some point.

 

Oh and Nomi I was just screwing with you earlier, I'd give you a town lean.

[dicetosser1]

right jus copying and pasting nols spoiler

 

A

Didn't see anything too notable until I got to his vote on Snow. In case you don't remember it was pretty bad. Something bugged him about his entrance to the thread so...let's lynch him. Ok well I know how that can be sometimes so let me go back and read Snow's entrance. Here it is. I don't see anything wrong with it or the next few posts following it so now that we know Snow is town I'd like to see Dice justify his choice and reasoning here a bit more. Particularly looking for WHY the entrance bothered you and what struck you as scummy about it.

B

Here's something interesting. When Snow joined the game his first vote was on Lenlo. After voting Snow he made a comment about thinking Lenlo is town. It's a small thing and not at all incriminating but mafia is about drawing connections. I was skimming so I may have missed it but is there any reason for Dice to think Lenlo is town at this point? Did he ever say why he had this read on him? It's possible it's scum buddy bias leaking out into his play. Or not, who knows. Something to consider in the future maybe.

 

C

Another interesting tidbit. Snow would have had a slight scum lean on Dice had others not been townreading him.

 

D

Some weird progression towards EOD. He was kind of grilling Taborline and very focused on her and then he said I was tomorrows (todays) autolynch. It's possible this was in response to something I said but since I'm only looking at Dice's posts out of context I can't really tell. A little while later he made a post saying he wouldn't lynch Tab today because it's "too obvious". Not sure what that's supposed to mean if the reason for her lynch is activity reasons. Dice can you clarify on that?

 

E

Re: lynching me, Dice did make this post asking me to explain myself. It didn't come off as threatening or accusatory but more of a "I want to be on your side but you need to give me a reason to be" kind of thing. At least that's how I felt about it at the time. I did find it kind of off putting that what he was mainly concerned about was why I was around after the deadline fell. Especially when he defended me earlier in the game regarding not posting in the game but posting elsewhere on the forum. I really don't know what to make of that.

 

F

And last thing he did was leave a vote on Shad. That's pretty confusing since it was supposed to be me or Tab who was "auto lynch" today.

Dice can you make a reads list so we know where you stand with everybody in the game?

 

 

 

have added letters

 

A    Ive seen him enter like that before and it always bugs me. I dont really know why. I think he has done it as both town and scum. could be wrong  When i put the vote down I left him an opportunity to convince me he was town when he came back. Even said so iirc. He came back gave some crap post and left again. I wasnt convinced. Kept the vote

 

B    Lenlo. Tone and meta.

 

C  I think i questioned him about that

 

D I was grilling tab yes   shed been a major talking point   had made a comment about hearing more from me so i spoke direct. Autolynch comment was the timing of you turning up just after DL. You explained why later 

 

E see D   You have been giving me town nol bits and pieces but most people are talking about lynching you. I want to work you out.

 

F the Zander kill has me thinking it was a setup to get tab lynched. I know ive done that as mafia. Its too convenient.  

 

AS for shad   we have EOD carryon thewn this 

 

 

 

[v]Andrej[/v] get in here son.

 

I am totally cool with lynching Tab today fwiw.

Also cool. Zanders last wish was that Tab get lynched, I aim to see that through for him.

 

 

i dont think im lynching Tab today. Too obvious and im not real keen on shads post here

 

 

I REALLY hated the Red

 

 

 

then theres this

 

Pretty much if Tab is a wolf that'll lock Shad in for me.

He clears quite a few people he's been toying with like Nolder/NotBob

The last one should be Thane or one of Pizza/BFG

 

 

 

So lets look at this 

 

red tab flips mafia it locks shad as mafia is how im reading this

blue  if tab locks him and he clears you and bob why lynch tab first? Start with the guy who   in AJs opinion as i am reading it   gives info on multiple people.

 

 

 

Now add to this shad seems off to me. He doesnt feel like town shad. he doesnt sound like town shad.

[dicetosser1]

as for reads list

 

town

 

me

len

 

town with paranoia

pizza/AJ   like i said they worry me especially AJ at this point. Im purposely not locking them in because im trying to make sure i pay attention to them

think town could be wrong

nolder

BFG   there has been clear BFG posts just not enuff of them

 

null

tab.   i feel like this is a set up but its impossible to have her as town

thane  no content  has to be null

 

NB    no idea never know  scum end by poe cause he has been here enuff that he shouldnt be null

shad

[dicetosser1]

im really looking at whats going on so my reads are subject to change but thats the best i can do atp

[BFG]

Lenlo #1030

 

Why NB or Shad? Do you think NB/Tabor are likely? NB was early on Tab and without his vote she wouldn't have been a train at all. And Shad was clearly aware of how his actions looked which makes them null imo

 

 

 

 

 

The Zander/Shad/Nolder argument is something I'm going to have to park and come back to when I have more time. The nitpicky detail is something I generally associate with t-t though.

 

Although #1093 Nolder

 

I think this is the second time you've said something along the lines of "I never got around to making my point (regarding townies lying?), what point? And wouldn't it be easier to just make it?

 

 

 

 

 

Pizza #1135

 

Why don't you like my vote specifically and what do you mean by stalling?

 

Easy stuff first,

 

I haven't been avoiding you, your attention has been on people that I don't have a strong opinion about (Nolder, NB) so there was more value to me in watching their reactions than by prodding somebody I thought more likely to be town.

 

As for the rest I'm not actually sure how to respond since I'm not sure what you don't like, but this is what I remember of my thinking process and maybe that will answer it :/

 

Regarding voting, voting is inarguably the weakest part of my game, I vote late regardless of alignment and sometimes don't vote at all.

 

Wednesday night specifically, I got hack late, didn't have time to read the stuff I'd missed, my top 2 suspects sere Snow and Thane, I had both Nolder and Tabor as null, but needed to re-evaluate Tabor at the least. Thane wasn't an option he wasn't a train and afaict he hasn't been in thread to answer questions since :/

 

Last time I was in thread Snow had been around and posting, so I wanted to see if he'd said something to blow me away, he hadn't. Nolder had too much content to be ISO'D easily. Tabor I'd read through her Day 1 in Diablo and her ISO here. She's low content in both, but seems to be playing safer here, her reads were less explained in Diablo, but riskier in a way and more widespread. So it was between the two of them and I was unsure which way to vote. In the end I voted Snow over Tabor because I'd been suspicious of him for longer, and because I thought the disconnect between his opening and play (particularly early game when he was posting) was worse than Tabors 'safe' play.

 

The reason I asked Zander what stage of the game he'd pushed Tabor was because I don't recall her reaction to being pushed and wanted to check, it wouldn't have made a difference for deadline but would have been useful today. If it was in Matrix I have sketchy memory of that game, and in Diablo I think she asked Yates why his read on her had changed, but it wasn't what I'd call sass.

 

Skimmed through to 68.

 

Out for the day now, but I'll be back for some time tonight :)

[BFG]

@Pizza - mild town at the moment (waiting on reread) and I'll be around later if you want to talk

[BFG]

Nolder, have you read end of day?