Diablo the mafia game!

[Yates]

And if I'm wrong you can blame the whole lynch on me. And when I'm right, I'll be more than happy to reject accusations of TMI/busing tomorrow.

[Andrej]

 

Like Zander looks like Hallia_mafia to me this game. The depth is good compared to his superficial cases as a wolf, but apparently Dice thinks the opposite and I find that line of thought questionable.

No I agree with Dice. So far he voted me for role fishing and ignoring a question that I had actually answered. How does that demonstrate "depth?"

He's had a few posts that I thought were pretty fleshed out and demonstrated actual thought compared to just hollering like a lunatic. Do I agree with everything he says? No, but that's not the point.

 

I think this thing between you two boils down to poor communication as I don't think anyone really has come away from it without seeing anything other than a cloud of dust.

 

As far as Dice goes, I was current when I made that statement. Looking at him in ISO is a little better because I can see his posts all together but before that the infrequency of his posts and the stuff he commented on felt like snipes more than anything.

[Zander?]

Seriously - why is Dice green on anyone's list?

 

i may be buzzed preety good but vouch brah!!!!!

[Thane Vakarian]

Hmm... feels like a typical D1 vote thing coming on.. votes are quite divided at this point, and, personally, i fear that there won't be a lynch happening. True, it's been a short day. The next ones will be even shorter though. Several players have made good points on others, but nothing really mindblowing imo.

 

I hate D1....  

 

Not lynching at this point would be AJ, Shad (though, bro, you need your hydra half in here too, or I get worried).

 

All other players are still worth investigating. 

 

From what i've seen this D1, the player striking me as oddest is Lenlo. Second place is Clov. I just honestly can not point them as town here. 

 

I will probably be asleep when DL hits and the hours before that, so I will [v] Lenlo [/v] at this point. I'm heading home soon, and will check the thread another time before jumping into bed. 

[Zander?]

 

My vote stays [on Zander] at this point. He has done nothing that screams town zander at me and has done some stuff thats more indepth then i associate with him. yet it doesnt feel like he is really game solving.

^^^This is where I am as well.

 

 

Elobarate brother!!!!

[Lenlo]

You know what Yates, fine. [v]Bender [/v]

 

Your seem confident in the read and I can't read the slot all that well. I'd rather my vote go to a confident read rather than a least bad option like what I'm on now.

 

Let's see what happens together.

[Zander?]

 

Besie   it was tongue in cheek regarding yates

Yeah. 100% sure this was the case. That's why I thought it was weird that you brought it up again. If somebody asks "are you a wolf?" how the heck do you think that is ever going to be answered?

 

 

 

Well what di you thingk of dice bringing it up with Besie?

[Zander?]

 

And as far as me not game solving...when you do more then I do in a game to solve then you can make that comment Dice.

Rude.

 

 

Any worse then you callin me dumb?

[dicetosser1]

Dice,

Oh right, and then, ofc, IF the latter is correct and Len is repeating the same thing again in an attempt to defend a co-scum member, then Dice saying this:

 

and i wont be lynching Clov this game

 

does not bode well.

Besie   it was tongue in cheek regarding yates

 

 

 

and i dont understand ure last post

 

I said that IF Len is scum and IF he is protecting a fellow scum (Clov) then you saying that you're not going to vote Clov could POSSIBLY imply that you're scum protecting a fellow team member. Why do you not want to vote Clov?

 

 

 

Seer peek

 

 

spammit!  i had 5 quotes and lost them!

 

will try to remember.

 

Zander vote:   started cause of our Mafia game, Len and i was threatening him and besie on skype. His post where he talks about me asking aj what he would prefer....the tones striking me as wrong.  My vote stays at this point. He has done nothing that screams town zander at me and has done some stuff thats more indepth then i associate with him. yet it doesnt feel like he is really game solving.

 

my concern with my thinking is that its very similar to stuff HE said about Lenlo last time.

 

First off, I know quotes can get eaten (though you use them in your following post for lesser reasons but you didn't go back from them to try an explain/justify your vote) but that's not the only problem I have with this post. Like firstly I have NEVER talked to Len on Skype he's not even a contact so I don't get that at all. And as far as the in depth part that you associate with me, you've seen me be both scum and town so how is me being more in depth alignment indicative of me as either to you?  And then the bolded part....

 

 

She seemed pretty comfortable in the thread early on.  As I suggested to Shad, I think newer players would feel more pressure coming into the game as mafia than town - and she's never played before.  

 

Since then, I like where Zander's been coming from.  His push on Yates seems pretty noticeably different from how he was in the Matrix game, and he seems to be exploring more things in the thread.  I'm not clearing them by any stretch, but he would have made a significant development in his scum game.

 

 

Alright. I can agree with the Zander part, I am simply very wary of him. I think the slot will be resolved as the game goes on. I generally give new people a day or two to get into it and see what they can do/how they act so I at the very least am not lynching that slot today or probably tomorrow short of an outright scum view.

 

Of course its worth noting neither is clearing me (us) but both Clov and Len are saying that opposite of what you are Dice.  So I'm assuming you must disagree but in doing so, please provide these lost quotes you have to prove your point.

 

Also, the same as I said about Len in Matrix.....I think you should take a moment to think that over and look back at that game Dice.  I jumped all over him for his reads list and basically screamed you're a wolf at him and jumped around calling him reading me and Cory as scum as OMGUS!!!  When and where have I done anything at all like that thus far in this game?

 

And as far as me not game solving...when you do more then I do in a game to solve then you can make that comment Dice.  Cause one thing I always do in a game is try to solve as either alignment and I think my body of work especially recently should speak for itself.

 

I guess what I'm saying is If you had just responded with like "My guts telling me Zander's scum"  It prolly wouldn't have bothered me as much cause that's how I feel like Town!Dice is town telling in part, at least to me anyways but your reasoning here is just plain wrong, unsubstantiated and differs from general opinion.

 

I'll be waiting for your response.but I don't like this post nor the reasoning behind it though I'll admit I may be a little bias here...

 

 

1 blue  added some grammar   does it make more sense now? I THINK it was len who asked about the Zander vote. I was explaing that I had given ZANDER a hard time on Skype.

 

2 red  So? they  think differently to me. congratulations. I dont have to agree with them. I also cant help it if they are wrong.

 

3 green   you trying to p me off?  firstly i work as hard at game solving as anyone. When you have my record of making correct clutch calls   vig the right person lynch the right person (AJ not included) then you can try to lord it over me. Fact is your gonna try and sell ure actions as solving. of course you are. but they dont feel like they really are.

 

4 orange  this aint a gut read so why would i say it is? its a tone read. Your tone is off. ESPECIALLY these last pages with yates. Its got a hard and defensive tone. it doesnt sound or feel like town zander.

[Cory Caboose]

Vote Count

 

Bender (3/13) Dice, Yates, Lenlo
Yates (1/13) Bender

Lenlo (3/13) AJ, Shadooh, Thane

Taborline (1/13) Clov


Not Voting (5/13)
Pralaya, Notbob, Tress, Tab, BFG


Deadline is in 7 1/2 hours

[Zander?]

 

I pretty much agree with the read and Zander explained it far more eloquently than me.

Which read and what do you agree with?

 

 

If you read its about you.

[dicetosser1]

 

 

Besie   it was tongue in cheek regarding yates

Yeah. 100% sure this was the case. That's why I thought it was weird that you brought it up again. If somebody asks "are you a wolf?" how the heck do you think that is ever going to be answered?

 

 

 

Well what di you thingk of dice bringing it up with Besie?

 

 

 

FFS   I ANSWERED besies  with it!

[Zander?]

 

And obv no one ever as any alignment ever gets defensive at all........

Also ftr - this is what YOUR HYDRA PARTNER accused me of. Not the other way around, bub.

 

 

YOU SAID defenisve  is a crutch brath...from youre own workds i proved this could be thr case!!!!

[dicetosser1]

 

I'm not interested in lynching Yates or Zander.

Dice is wolfy.

Len is wolfy.

These are the people we should be focused on.

 

Dice aint wolfy. and you should know this

 

 

 

Yates you don't seem to be as pushy as usual yet, if that makes sense.

No?

 

 

Maybe I'm just not as intimidated anymore, but so far you aren't asking the same pointed questions as you did before.

 

Also, if Shad vs. Lenlo turns out to be a replay of Zander vs. Lenlo from the Matrix game, I will find that amusing.

 

 

len already answered this but he hated that in matrix and my memory of len before his hiatus is that he wasnt really a Busser

 

 

Red was the biggest thing.  Bessie had given a reason through quotes, but it was poorly narrated.  I didn't follow her either.  Assuming it's not w/w scum know her initial reason was honest, and asking Bessie for clarity rather than letting her shoot herself in the foot or not noticing that it didn't make particularly much sense in the first place isn't the most common move.

 

I don't know that it's not w/w of course, but BFG seems to be thinking critically and asking the sort of questions I expect her to, enough for a D1 town lean.

 

 

is it bad that every time i read w/w in this post i read it as Whirlwind? lol

[Zander?]

Crap. I have to leave on my trip. I won't be around for end of day and I'm on page 22 [i think].

 

I have a high level of certainty that Bender is a wolf here. I know this is a tough lynch to push through but his pushes are weird, weak, and tangential. Also, just look at the responses from the last 4 pages or so. I have categorically refuted any point he raised against me. In the mean time, he has continued to focus on "soft" pushes and refused to answer the meat of my arguments. The only conclusion I can reach is that he can't answer them without acknowledging that none of his points have any merit and thus his case and vote have been invalidated. His inability to reset in light of new information is extraordinarily frustrating/wolfy.

 

[v]Bender[/v]

 

I will not be moving this vote.

 

 

Dude wtf

i asked numbr of tomes to provide posts of what yoi claim to say nd you didnt your omghs is a fin joke.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

If you're alive [Clov] Day 3 imma be really really worried........lololololololololol

Also pings and simultaneously hurts my feelings.

 

 

Why and I'm sorry???

 

Why would you be worried if Clov was still alive on Day 3? I thought my point was fairly clear. I see you later side stepped my point again when I asked when lynching me Day 1 is ever +EV for Town and your response was "why does it matter if I think you are a wolf?" That's not the right answer. The right answer is that I get resolved because I'm one of the worst mislynches in the current player list. That's not my ego talking it's simply a fact. I could point to my current basic game record if I needed to. It's a pretty ridic record.

g nd longer he alie

ofc you dont think it right nswer lolololololol

 

And aks clov i laways say have hard time reading. him  and say the longer he alove the better chance he scum

[Zander?]

 

Like Zander looks like Hallia_mafia to me this game. The depth is good compared to his superficial cases as a wolf, but apparently Dice thinks the opposite and I find that line of thought questionable.

No I agree with Dice. So far he voted me for role fishing and ignoring a question that I had actually answered. How does that demonstrate "depth?"

 

 

lololololololololol

[Andrej]

You know what Yates, fine. [v]Bender [/v]

Your seem confident in the read and I can't read the slot all that well. I'd rather my vote go to a confident read rather than a least bad option like what I'm on now.

Let's see what happens together.

Could you seriously be any more obviously a wolf?

[Lenlo]

I'm not though...

[Lenlo]

Clov was my lynch for today cause he was my least bad option. I don't see the things with dice, you people arnt interested in Clov and the only alternative lynch is me who I know is town.

[Zander?]

And if I'm wrong you can blame the whole lynch on me. And when I'm right, I'll be more than happy to reject accusations of TMI/busing tomorrow.

 

way to leave you an out lolololololol

[Andrej]

"AJ not included"

 

Lol you're still my boy Dice

[Zander?]

You know what Yates, fine. [v]Bender [/v]

 

Your seem confident in the read and I can't read the slot all that well. I'd rather my vote go to a confident read rather than a least bad option like what I'm on now.

 

Let's see what happens together.

 

gorss after sayin you dont think i d1 lynch number of times.

[Andrej]

I'm not though...

 

Ok so explain to me how Clov is still your best option? Self preservation is null but you're not pushing for "your" lynch as you call it. More like settling and now you just nonchalantly swap. Correct me if I'm wrong but weren't you expressing a positive read on Zander earlier?

[Lenlo]

I was experessi n g a positive read on Besie, whom I have never played with before. I said I didn't wanna lynch him cause I couldn't read him D1. If Yates is that confident though I figure what the hell, see what happens.

 

I'm still not a fan of what Clov has done this game or how he handled you. Thing is, it's not enough to lock scum him. At best the lowest read I have, Clov, is null to scum. So I decided to give my support to someone I think is town who is very confident in his scum read on someone.