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hello there people.

 

gonna try to do a re read and or some iso's today.

 

atp WTL-

 

Lenlo

 

 

Dice

 

 

Sooh

 

 

Rack

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  On 10/29/2015 at 2:57 PM, Pralaya said:

 

It is more about lynching somebody who is being scummy vs lynching someone just because of PoE reasons. It is hilarious you trying to brag about success on D1 while at the same time defend a lynch by PoE without even trying to read his intentions and basing it only on previous games.

 

Trying doesn't make a villager and non-trying doesn't make a scum. It is about each one's playstyles.

 

 

Honestly I think if you are a villager it's freaking good riddance to get you out of the game. I literally don't even care. Great, you play in a fashion so you are hard to read or whatever. I don't like most of your posts and none of them remind me of how you play as a villager, so you are scummy to me. You can tell me that I am wrong and stupid for thinking that but that's how I operate and if you want to give me flack for "bragging" I am just saying IT'S WHAT I DO MENTALLY and I'VE HAD SUCCESS DOING IT.

 

PoE is extremely valuable for me because I find villagers better than I find wolves and ANYONE here can testament that I am at least PRETTY GOOD at reliably finding villagers early in the game.

 

And of course it's about playstyle, that's how I READ OTHER SLOTS.

 

Like I literally have no idea what the point of ANYTHING YOU ARE SAYING IS besides "LOL CORY IS READING ME WRONG WHAT A FOOL"

What purpose does this serve? How does this help? You want to lecture me on your INTENTIONS, let's go.

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The things you are choosing to engage me are WEIRD and not something I'm used to you engaging me on, which is a direct change in your MINDSET AND PLAYSTYLE, and I go "hmm" and you go "dumb cory! of course i change my playstyle!"

For me it's a game of ranges and who is being genuine or not and literally nothing else. I don't find you genuine. Sorry if that hurts to hear.

Posted

Also pral, it looks like your vote is on Zander. I strongly disagree with this read, but more importantly, I think it's obviously not going to happen.

 

Where do you go now? Why?

Posted

I think I misunderstood the last part as a support of reading people within their ranges when instead it's just your condemnation of playstyle differences or whatever

 

I just don't get it Pral

 

All I can see is you making dumb semantic arguments and trying to chastise me for having a middling wolf read on you I wasn't even ready to pursue

 

What is the point of that

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  On 10/29/2015 at 1:30 PM, Pralaya said:

There were two posts that I didn't like about Sooh.

 

The first is this

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:56 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:55 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Id shoot u regardless of what he flipped idgaf

Sili, calm down! we don't need v/v violence!

 

I know this was slightly tongue-in-cheek, but it looked like a bit too confident appeal that Sili and Nomi are villagers. Just a few posts before this, Sooh had mentioned that although she think Nomi is town, she feels a bit iffy. In contrast, she is more direct here and that sudden change in town looks a bit forced.

 

The other is this

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 9:34 PM, Sooh said:

Oh what fun. We're playing the "lynch the low posters" game again. That always works.

Although she is not in the list of lowest posters, this sounds like a statement aimed at gaining sympathy. And this is not the first time she has done that. Early part of the game she started commenting that she would already have a bunch of votes on her. Just like the earlier statement, this looks forced

 

Town to scum, this is my list:

 

Thane

Clov

Yates

Sili

Shad

Taborline

Nomi

BFG

Dice

Lenlo

Hallia

Corlanna (Cory/Alanna)

Rack

Sooh

Zander

 

 

 

Pral can touch on some reasoning on these please?  especially the bottom thanks man!!!

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Also ruffles my feathers to no end that you talk to me like a I'm a villager with a bad read that needs to be lectured how to read you and then constantly keep me low on your wolf lists

 

What is it, Pral? What am I?

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  On 10/29/2015 at 3:06 PM, Hallia said:

Going back and reading Cory, if I read you alone I come up with villager.  Does that mean I drop the vibe from Laine altogether?  No, but it does put you higher on my list. <3  I really like these recent points on Pral.  I think I was taken in by his early posting, but this response he just posted:

  On 10/29/2015 at 12:15 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 12:03 PM, Pralaya said:

And, that's how you got the cop killed in that game. I am not taunting here, but you tend to have a massive confirmation bias in trying to read me and that is annoying to see every game. You basically try to come up with reasons to look at me as scum and then end with with nonsensical reasons how my playstyle is different this game as compared to the previous. The only common thing about my games is that I am a low-poster D1 and D2. 

 

The reason for that is that I hate D1s. I find it extremely difficult to catch up 15+ pages per day. Hence, I tend to be more active and effective D3+ when the post count has toned down, when I have more information due to flips and wagons etc. D1 is all about tone/meta based reasoning which in most cases is just erroneous and like a dart thrown around. So, if I am inactive D1 it is by preference and not necessarily based on alignment. 

 

Have at it however you want but that is how I play. 

 

The problem is that your playstyle doesn't keep you from ever randing wolf. You can lecture me on how you were a villager in Ragnarok, but I've seen games where you've gone deep as a wolf despite contributing very little and players just went "Oh it's just Pral being Pral".

 

You don't get a free villager read for being you, and other players are more villagery for you, so exactly why do you deserve to be higher in my PoE?

 

If you think D1 is erroneous or meaningless I have no idea what to tell you. I have something like a ~60% d1 wolf lynch rate, and games where villages lynch wolves on d1 end in village victories a very good clip of the time because there is a great deal to glean from it.

 

Why are you a villager, Pral? Besides that this is "how you always play". I don't care at all how you play, I care about whether or not you are a villager. Capiche?

 

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 1:51 PM, cory caboose said:

Like you are basically saying "I deserve to get a pass on d1 and d2 because I don't think those days are important"

 

Why do you deserve to live more than people trying on d1 and d2 Pral? What makes you exempt from the rules everyone else lives by in this game?

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 2:01 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 1:39 PM, Pralaya said:

Also, as I said before, the later the game goes, the more you can glean out of me. D1 and D2, I don't care much either as town or scum.

Pral - you know I love you and I love playing with you and that I think you bring a perspective to the game that is different and weird and almost always appreciated. My question to you is; how do we get you to post more often?

 

I ask you this because your activity becomes a talking point in ~every game. And people often use that as an excuse to vote you. Take Cory as an example. I have already posted for you a snippet of what Cory thinks about activity AS A WOLF. When he is scum, he likes to "kill the smart, active villagers above all else..." It stands to reason that as Town he would want to lynch the dumb or inactive villagers in lieu of a better scum read. It also stands to reason that as wolf he could find himself getting stuck pushing on inactive users when he doesn't think he can get the mislynch he is looking for.

 

TLDR - If I could get you to post more and be more active and, in general, make yourself an unlynchable Townie that would be great. If you're a wolf I will be upset with you this game but ask you to accommodate this request in future Town games.

 

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:03 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 2:01 PM, Yates said:

Pral - you know I love you and I love playing with you and that I think you bring a perspective to the game that is different and weird and almost always appreciated. My question to you is; how do we get you to post more often?

The reason I am inactive on D1 is because I have a hard time catching up with the pace of the game. The game content massively reduces from D2 onwards and that is when I am more active - also due to better information available. I have been getting killed either by town or by 3rd party by D2 in all the recent games and that is probably one of the reasons for my annoyance.

 

 

Is scummy.  Game content doesn't massively reduce from D2 onwards.  It can become more focused, but with quotes, and people having better arguments and more evidence to base those arguments off of, will be longer.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Pral

 

 

Hallia can you give some more detail on your vote please.  you may have mentioned before but from just this im not seeing hows hes your scummiest read.

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also id like to see some WTL lists if people dont mind

 

 

also like others thoughts on Lenlo because he's my strongest scum read by a decent margin.

 

tyty

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  On 10/29/2015 at 1:41 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 12:20 PM, cory caboose said:

Also you said basically nothing like this in Ragnarok when I was pushing you and you were a villager.

 

Why is this game different where you care so much about my read on you? I'm not even voting you. You aren't a wagon.

This is exactly what i am talking about. Got it? Why would I play the same way in every game?

 

I said why I am responding to you in my earlier post. This is not the first game you have done this and it is annoying when you keep doing the same. You commented on how I played my previous games and I am pointing out to you how it is a wrong way to look at it.

 

 

 
  On 10/29/2015 at 1:39 PM, Pralaya said:

Things like the above is why you have never been able to read me properly.

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 12:03 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 8:12 PM, cory caboose said:

 

Honestly a good portion is if you die and are town it's not a devastating loss

 

I don't mean that as an insult but I don't know how to say that nicely

 

Would rather leave things to people who don't tend to miss 2-3 day spans

 

And in Ragnarok I was voting Verbal on d1 (go look!) even though I was responsible for your lynch and you REFUSED to vote Verbal and tunneled some obvious villager instead. Think it was Mish. So taunt all you want

 

 

And, that's how you got the cop killed in that game. I am not taunting here, but you tend to have a massive confirmation bias in trying to read me and that is annoying to see every game. You basically try to come up with reasons to look at me as scum and then end with with nonsensical reasons how my playstyle is different this game as compared to the previous. The only common thing about my games is that I am a low-poster D1 and D2. 

 

Just like stuff like this IRKS me so much because it makes no LINEAR SENSE. You keep pushing me as a wolf suspect and then explaining to me that I don't read you right. Hell I remember pushing you once pretty hard AS a wolf in Real Genius years ago and you responded by pushing me as a wolf and then vigging me.

 

Here you don't seem to have any intention of DOING anything with your "read" and instead just keep giving me flack for not playing the game correctly and not reading you correctly.

 

And I get that not making sense doesn't always make someone a wolf but if you are a villager I am just going to be so disappointed

Posted
  On 10/29/2015 at 3:23 PM, Clovdyx said:

Cory, what - if anything - have you and WP disagreed on so far?

 

I was stronger on Shad v early but we've sort of moved toward the middle over time. She had Thane v early as well before I did but that changed for me over the past ~2 gamedays as well.

 

She's concerned about Lenlo and Sooh the most but I'm not sure how caught up she is AORN

 

Honestly she's hasn't been on that much, our QT is relatively empty besides me drooling everywhere

Posted
  On 10/29/2015 at 3:21 PM, cory caboose said:

I think I misunderstood the last part as a support of reading people within their ranges when instead it's just your condemnation of playstyle differences or whatever

 

I just don't get it Pral

 

All I can see is you making dumb semantic arguments and trying to chastise me for having a middling wolf read on you I wasn't even ready to pursue

 

What is the point of that

For the last time, I am not chastising you for your read. I am annoyed at your reasons you give in arriving at your read. And, this is not just from this game - this is from the last 2 or 3 games and I wanted to point that out. I played so-and-so and I am playing it different here is not a valid reason for reading someone as scum is my point.

 

Anyway, lets go ahead with this game.

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  On 10/27/2015 at 11:12 PM, rackcitysteelers said:

Well I had some posts queued up but I lost them so oh well. But I think the push on me is stupid but not scummy. I think it was silli that was saying they were expecting me to finally say something when I got back but I pretty clearly stated in my post that I wasn't going to actually be able to catch up until later. So now I'm gonna give you some thoughts.

 

I don't really set out with a concrete strategy, but the Lenlo thing was kinda just looking for actions. I wasn't entirely happy with Lenlo's reactions to it but it wasn't terrible and I have a bigger scum read anyways.

 

I think Zander is scum. I thought his opening post felt forced but some people said it was just him so I was like whatever. Someone else pointed this out (I forget who) but he's spent a lot of time just defending and backing people up. It's a pretty easy tactic to lay low and get on some people's good side. Zander said that he had been attacking people though, but it wasn't a high risk one. He just jumped on the popular Lenlo bandwagon. His reasoning wasn't good either, Lenlo imo was pretty clearly just using a mostly gut read on that person who had barely posted so I didn't get why Zander was making a big deal about it. It felt like a weak reason to jump on a popular bandwagon. I'm gonna Vote: Zander

 

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 3:05 AM, Lenlo said:

See, I dont like Zander cause he never definitively says something that someone else hasn't said first.

 

He doesnt say "This is a good response" or "This is a town response", but "Is it odd I really like this response?". He didnt say anything about me till there were others. It feels to me like  he is following people, using his jokes/lols/never being 100% serious in a post and the number of his posts as a smokescreen to hide behind. You all may think thats towny, but I dont.

 

If he wants to be town in my book, he has to actually start casing people and posting original content. 

 

This may have already been answered, but something I pulled out of my ISO of Lenlo.

 

Lenlo: At this point in the game, what was it that made Zander's post style more of a smoke screen than Rack's, or even Nomi? Up until that above quoted post of Rack's, his entire content seemed smoke screeny. It was just loads of "Vote Lenlo!" with no basis. The quoted one was his first real meaty one, and I quote it because I don't like how you were both leaning on Zander there.

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  On 10/25/2015 at 1:41 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 10/25/2015 at 12:53 AM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/25/2015 at 12:44 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Nvm yates is a wolf regardless of whether hes ignoring the lenlo.

Who cares about Lenlo? Lenlo as the day 1 talking point isn't even a thing anymore...

 

Was I ever a D1 talking point?

 

  On 10/25/2015 at 1:10 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Lenlo has yet to respond directly to his accusers to my knowledge on related topics or contribute meaningfully.

 

This cld be bcause he is going at his own pace

What am I supposed to respond to Sili? Nothing has been raised against me. No points, not quotes, nothing. Just you and Rack calling me scum off of like 1 maybe 2 intro posts to the game. Theres no way im going to take a case like that seriously.

 

As for my "own pace", im not sure what you mean. Ited be a bad idea to reference old Lenlo cause hes dead. Atm my plan is to let people post and talk, then after some more pages see what I can figure out from it. ATM I dont like Rack cause of his random accusation with nothing to back it up. He seems to be jumping in and out of the thread opportunistically. I dont know what you see in Yates being scum, but you two arguing with no one really trying to stop you/work it out could easily turn out to be town v town combat.

 

 

 

isnt that the exact same thing you did do Thane Len....

Posted

Zander - I never said he was my scummiest read, did I?  I do, however, believe he deserves some pressure after those statements.

Posted
  On 10/29/2015 at 3:22 PM, cory caboose said:

Also ruffles my feathers to no end that you talk to me like a I'm a villager with a bad read that needs to be lectured how to read you and then constantly keep me low on your wolf lists

 

What is it, Pral? What am I?

Means I still have a bad feeling about you. I gave you the reason why in this post . I still see you not have the itch to solve this game.

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  On 10/29/2015 at 3:36 PM, Hallia said:

Zander - I never said he was my scummiest read, did I?  I do, however, believe he deserves some pressure after those statements.

 

 

ok its just that you had voted him and didnt mention it was a pressue vote.

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  On 10/29/2015 at 3:38 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:22 PM, cory caboose said:

Also ruffles my feathers to no end that you talk to me like a I'm a villager with a bad read that needs to be lectured how to read you and then constantly keep me low on your wolf lists

 

What is it, Pral? What am I?

Means I still have a bad feeling about you. I gave you the reason why in this post . I still see you not have the itch to solve this game.

Actually reading the game might help you. But of course why would anyone do that on day one???

Posted
  On 10/29/2015 at 3:38 PM, cory caboose said:

I'll just vig him tonight for my own peace of mind.

 

Rack/Nomi wagons don't feel terrible

 

 

racks i dont hate though Nomi's i do.

 

not saying Nomi CANT be scum but im not voting him today unless something major happens like he claims wolf.

Posted
  On 10/29/2015 at 3:36 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 10/25/2015 at 1:41 AM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 10/25/2015 at 12:53 AM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/25/2015 at 12:44 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Nvm yates is a wolf regardless of whether hes ignoring the lenlo.

 

Who cares about Lenlo? Lenlo as the day 1 talking point isn't even a thing anymore...

Was I ever a D1 talking point?

 

  On 10/25/2015 at 1:10 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Lenlo has yet to respond directly to his accusers to my knowledge on related topics or contribute meaningfully.

This cld be bcause he is going at his own pace

 

What am I supposed to respond to Sili? Nothing has been raised against me. No points, not quotes, nothing. Just you and Rack calling me scum off of like 1 maybe 2 intro posts to the game. Theres no way im going to take a case like that seriously.

 

As for my "own pace", im not sure what you mean. Ited be a bad idea to reference old Lenlo cause hes dead. Atm my plan is to let people post and talk, then after some more pages see what I can figure out from it. ATM I dont like Rack cause of his random accusation with nothing to back it up. He seems to be jumping in and out of the thread opportunistically. I dont know what you see in Yates being scum, but you two arguing with no one really trying to stop you/work it out could easily turn out to be town v town combat.

 

 

isnt that the exact same thing you did do Thane Len....

And guess what? He doesn't have to take it seriously and he doesn't have to answer me. You'll notice I didn't say SIli or Rack were scum because of that, just that it was a poorly presented case.

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