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Also you said basically nothing like this in Ragnarok when I was pushing you and you were a villager.

 

Why is this game different where you care so much about my read on you? I'm not even voting you. You aren't a wagon.

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  On 10/29/2015 at 3:18 AM, Zander said:

...i wish AJ was here to rate me on my gif game.....

5.5 - The Russian judge really beat you down on your landing.
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  On 10/29/2015 at 12:27 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:18 AM, Zander said:

...i wish AJ was here to rate me on my gif game.....

5.5 - The Russian judge really beat you down on your landing.

 

 

 

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  On 10/29/2015 at 1:11 AM, cory caboose said:

AFAICT Tab is thinking for herself; that's not always something that makes a lot of sense to you - see her as Loki in Ragnarok where she was 3P who incidentally continually hard defended wolves throughout the game thinking they were villagers.

 

She's playing similarly to that game, which I would guess implies villager more than wolf to a decent degree, but admittedly I have no idea what her wolf game looks like

 

You are allowed to say it, I'm just not very good at the game yet :)

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 1:32 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 1:11 AM, cory caboose said:

AFAICT Tab is thinking for herself; that's not always something that makes a lot of sense to you - see her as Loki in Ragnarok where she was 3P who incidentally continually hard defended wolves throughout the game thinking they were villagers.

 

She's playing similarly to that game, which I would guess implies villager more than wolf to a decent degree, but admittedly I have no idea what her wolf game looks like

 

I don't feel she's playing overly similarly to her game in Harry Potter, though.  She wasn't an overly high effort player, but she gave some thoughts and gave enough of an explanation that I probably could have followed her that game.  She wasn't necessarily always right - few rarely are - but she made the effort.

 

This game, it's more like...questions and comments, but I don't feel it ever builds to anything.  

 

 

I am trying to figure out how to actually be helpful, asking questions of people instead of just blurting out thoughts (like my earlier comment re: Dice and Hallia).

 

What concerns me most at this stage in the game is the brouhaha going on around whether or not Nomi is someone that people might already know - I 100% understand why someone might want to play this game without their meta being brought into it all of the time, so I don't see how it makes them a wolf. As if they were randed town, they'd just come out and said "BTW, since I'm town, you can all know I'm Darthe" or something.

 

I'm concerned about the players leaning on that as a reason to lynch someone, because it's an easy target that wouldn't necessarily implicate a team mate. If Nomi is scum, then it absolves people who might be wolves. If Nomi isn't scum, people can behind "well, it was an honest mistake..."

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  On 10/29/2015 at 8:27 AM, Nomi Sunrider said:

Leave aside Dice for the moment, where's my alignment sitting after that thought experiment?

As I stressed earlier; it has NO BEARING on your alignment. None. If you are scum, it isn't because people are feeding you meta via QT. If you are Town, it isn't because you are sharing meta but not your true identity.

 

My bigger concern is your recent "I give up lynch me lynch me" posts [obviously paraphrasing]. If you are Town you know your alignment is Town and that the goal of this Town is to maintain voting majority to wit all Town life is precious. So why would you want to get yourself lynched IF TOWN knowing that your flip would prove NOTHING about your assumed alignment read on Dice? You flip VT, for example- you think I'm going to just turbo lynch Dice? These types of posts always ping me as AtE and I don't like them.

 

If you are Town, talk me into a Dice lynch. Or talk to me about Rack. Or talk to me about why I should be voting Dice OVER Rack.

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Tabor - I like your entire post. The only thing I wanted to comment on was this:

  On 10/29/2015 at 12:37 PM, Taborline said:

I 100% understand why someone might want to play this game without their meta being brought into it all of the time...

I don't think it would be an issue if Nomi didn't bring meta into the game.

 

I know Nolder said to drop it. And this isn't an exploration of who Nomi is or even me caring. But I'll spoiler it anyway so it isn't a distraction. Even though what I'm about to say *is* relevant.

 

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There were two posts that I didn't like about Sooh.

 

The first is this

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:56 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:55 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Id shoot u regardless of what he flipped idgaf

Sili, calm down! we don't need v/v violence!

 

I know this was slightly tongue-in-cheek, but it looked like a bit too confident appeal that Sili and Nomi are villagers. Just a few posts before this, Sooh had mentioned that although she think Nomi is town, she feels a bit iffy. In contrast, she is more direct here and that sudden change in town looks a bit forced.

 

The other is this

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 9:34 PM, Sooh said:

Oh what fun. We're playing the "lynch the low posters" game again. That always works.

Although she is not in the list of lowest posters, this sounds like a statement aimed at gaining sympathy. And this is not the first time she has done that. Early part of the game she started commenting that she would already have a bunch of votes on her. Just like the earlier statement, this looks forced

 

Town to scum, this is my list:

 

Thane

Clov

Yates

Sili

Shad

Taborline

Nomi

BFG

Dice

Lenlo

Hallia

Corlanna (Cory/Alanna)

Rack

Sooh

Zander

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  On 10/29/2015 at 11:06 AM, Nomi Sunrider said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 4:45 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

I get why people might find that scummy or whatever but I just misremembered some facts. Think what you will but I'm town and it was just a mistake.

Sounds like a situation where no matter what you did there, you wouldn't have gotten out of it without attracting more suspicion.

 

Had you left your vote on Zander without comment, while he became consensus townie, it would look bad.

 

If you tried to push him even further, due to votes on you, it would look like panic.

 

If you unvote him, it also looks bad because of what cory said.

 

What's the solution? How do you win today?

 

Edit- Thinking past that decision, I mean. Zander is unvoted, now, what's the next move?

 

 

Agreed. I just wasn't going to continue pushing him once I realized I had gotten the facts wrong. As for now, I don't really have strong feelings on many people one way or another, whether it's because I just can't get a good read on them or because their posts just kind of blend in to me. Later I'm going to try to go back and reread on some of the people I'm slightly suspicious of and see if anything stands out to me. It's tough though because mafia on this forum seems to be entirely meta-based and a) I don't know anyone's meta here really and b) I never really relied on metas even before so I'm kinda at a disadvantage in terms of scum hunting.

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  On 10/29/2015 at 1:21 PM, Yates said:

Tabor - I like your entire post. The only thing I wanted to comment on was this:

  On 10/29/2015 at 12:37 PM, Taborline said:

I 100% understand why someone might want to play this game without their meta being brought into it all of the time...

I don't think it would be an issue if Nomi didn't bring meta into the game.

 

I know Nolder said to drop it. And this isn't an exploration of who Nomi is or even me caring. But I'll spoiler it anyway so it isn't a distraction. Even though what I'm about to say *is* relevant.

 

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For solving Nomi, that part is a conundrum. I have a difficult time seeing the benefit to Town of comments like "I know your ways, Yates" (paraphrase, not a quote), but I likewise wonder if being so, well, taunting might not be the right word, but being so open about it would be something Scum might do.

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  On 10/29/2015 at 12:15 PM, cory caboose said:

The problem is that your playstyle doesn't keep you from ever randing wolf. You can lecture me on how you were a villager in Ragnarok, but I've seen games where you've gone deep as a wolf despite contributing very little and players just went "Oh it's just Pral being Pral".

 

You don't get a free villager read for being you, and other players are more villagery for you, so exactly why do you deserve to be higher in my PoE?

 

If you think D1 is erroneous or meaningless I have no idea what to tell you. I have something like a ~60% d1 wolf lynch rate, and games where villages lynch wolves on d1 end in village victories a very good clip of the time because there is a great deal to glean from it.

 

Why are you a villager, Pral? Besides that this is "how you always play". I don't care at all how you play, I care about whether or not you are a villager. Capiche?

The problem is not PoE but the vague excuses of playstyle that you bring in trying to think of me as scum. Nowhere did I say that you should think of me as a villager because of my playstyle. But, statements like "He did this in that game and he is not doing it this game" is such a wrong way to play. And that is what I am pointing out.

 

Things like the above is why you have never been able to read me properly. In the games that I have played here, there have been much less than 30% where a scum has been properly lynched D1. Like I said, it is throwing dart - it is bound to stick sometimes or if the scum makes mistakes. Going by just tone/meta is not going to lead anywhere

 

Also, as I said before, the later the game goes, the more you can glean out of me. D1 and D2, I don't care much either as town or scum.

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  On 10/29/2015 at 12:20 PM, cory caboose said:

Also you said basically nothing like this in Ragnarok when I was pushing you and you were a villager.

 

Why is this game different where you care so much about my read on you? I'm not even voting you. You aren't a wagon.

This is exactly what i am talking about. Got it? Why would I play the same way in every game?

 

I said why I am responding to you in my earlier post. This is not the first game you have done this and it is annoying when you keep doing the same. You commented on how I played my previous games and I am pointing out to you how it is a wrong way to look at it.

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Like you are basically saying "I deserve to get a pass on d1 and d2 because I don't think those days are important"

 

Why do you deserve to live more than people trying on d1 and d2 Pral? What makes you exempt from the rules everyone else lives by in this game?

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You want to mock me because I read you wrong a few times, go ahead, because ALL of those games (WitD, Ragnarok OTOH) I had very very good reads and was immediately killed by the wolves out of FEAR that with the distractions gone that I would start lynching them. Town won ALL of those games comfortably. You just had to go first.

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  On 10/29/2015 at 1:39 PM, Pralaya said:

Also, as I said before, the later the game goes, the more you can glean out of me. D1 and D2, I don't care much either as town or scum.

Pral - you know I love you and I love playing with you and that I think you bring a perspective to the game that is different and weird and almost always appreciated. My question to you is; how do we get you to post more often?

 

I ask you this because your activity becomes a talking point in ~every game. And people often use that as an excuse to vote you. Take Cory as an example. I have already posted for you a snippet of what Cory thinks about activity AS A WOLF. When he is scum, he likes to "kill the smart, active villagers above all else..." It stands to reason that as Town he would want to lynch the dumb or inactive villagers in lieu of a better scum read. It also stands to reason that as wolf he could find himself getting stuck pushing on inactive users when he doesn't think he can get the mislynch he is looking for.

 

TLDR - If I could get you to post more and be more active and, in general, make yourself an unlynchable Townie that would be great. If you're a wolf I will be upset with you this game but ask you to accommodate this request in future Town games.

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  On 10/29/2015 at 1:51 PM, cory caboose said:

Like you are basically saying "I deserve to get a pass on d1 and d2 because I don't think those days are important"

 

Why do you deserve to live more than people trying on d1 and d2 Pral? What makes you exempt from the rules everyone else lives by in this game?

It is more about lynching somebody who is being scummy vs lynching someone just because of PoE reasons. It is hilarious you trying to brag about success on D1 while at the same time defend a lynch by PoE without even trying to read his intentions and basing it only on previous games.

 

Trying doesn't make a villager and non-trying doesn't make a scum. It is about each one's playstyles.

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  On 10/29/2015 at 2:01 PM, Yates said:

Pral - you know I love you and I love playing with you and that I think you bring a perspective to the game that is different and weird and almost always appreciated. My question to you is; how do we get you to post more often?

The reason I am inactive on D1 is because I have a hard time catching up with the pace of the game. The game content massively reduces from D2 onwards and that is when I am more active - also due to better information available. I have been getting killed either by town or by 3rd party by D2 in all the recent games and that is probably one of the reasons for my annoyance.

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Going back and reading Cory, if I read you alone I come up with villager.  Does that mean I drop the vibe from Laine altogether?  No, but it does put you higher on my list. <3  I really like these recent points on Pral.  I think I was taken in by his early posting, but this response he just posted:

  On 10/29/2015 at 12:15 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 12:03 PM, Pralaya said:

And, that's how you got the cop killed in that game. I am not taunting here, but you tend to have a massive confirmation bias in trying to read me and that is annoying to see every game. You basically try to come up with reasons to look at me as scum and then end with with nonsensical reasons how my playstyle is different this game as compared to the previous. The only common thing about my games is that I am a low-poster D1 and D2. 

 

The reason for that is that I hate D1s. I find it extremely difficult to catch up 15+ pages per day. Hence, I tend to be more active and effective D3+ when the post count has toned down, when I have more information due to flips and wagons etc. D1 is all about tone/meta based reasoning which in most cases is just erroneous and like a dart thrown around. So, if I am inactive D1 it is by preference and not necessarily based on alignment. 

 

Have at it however you want but that is how I play. 

 

The problem is that your playstyle doesn't keep you from ever randing wolf. You can lecture me on how you were a villager in Ragnarok, but I've seen games where you've gone deep as a wolf despite contributing very little and players just went "Oh it's just Pral being Pral".

 

You don't get a free villager read for being you, and other players are more villagery for you, so exactly why do you deserve to be higher in my PoE?

If you think D1 is erroneous or meaningless I have no idea what to tell you. I have something like a ~60% d1 wolf lynch rate, and games where villages lynch wolves on d1 end in village victories a very good clip of the time because there is a great deal to glean from it.

 

Why are you a villager, Pral? Besides that this is "how you always play". I don't care at all how you play, I care about whether or not you are a villager. Capiche?

 

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 1:51 PM, cory caboose said:

Like you are basically saying "I deserve to get a pass on d1 and d2 because I don't think those days are important"

 

Why do you deserve to live more than people trying on d1 and d2 Pral? What makes you exempt from the rules everyone else lives by in this game?

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 2:01 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 1:39 PM, Pralaya said:

Also, as I said before, the later the game goes, the more you can glean out of me. D1 and D2, I don't care much either as town or scum.

Pral - you know I love you and I love playing with you and that I think you bring a perspective to the game that is different and weird and almost always appreciated. My question to you is; how do we get you to post more often?

I ask you this because your activity becomes a talking point in ~every game. And people often use that as an excuse to vote you. Take Cory as an example. I have already posted for you a snippet of what Cory thinks about activity AS A WOLF. When he is scum, he likes to "kill the smart, active villagers above all else..." It stands to reason that as Town he would want to lynch the dumb or inactive villagers in lieu of a better scum read. It also stands to reason that as wolf he could find himself getting stuck pushing on inactive users when he doesn't think he can get the mislynch he is looking for.

TLDR - If I could get you to post more and be more active and, in general, make yourself an unlynchable Townie that would be great. If you're a wolf I will be upset with you this game but ask you to accommodate this request in future Town games.

 

 

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 3:03 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 10/29/2015 at 2:01 PM, Yates said:

Pral - you know I love you and I love playing with you and that I think you bring a perspective to the game that is different and weird and almost always appreciated. My question to you is; how do we get you to post more often?


The reason I am inactive on D1 is because I have a hard time catching up with the pace of the game. The game content massively reduces from D2 onwards and that is when I am more active - also due to better information available. I have been getting killed either by town or by 3rd party by D2 in all the recent games and that is probably one of the reasons for my annoyance.

 

 

Is scummy.  Game content doesn't massively reduce from D2 onwards.  It can become more focused, but with quotes, and people having better arguments and more evidence to base those arguments off of, will be longer.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Pral

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Fwiw I fully understand your position, but I personally find it hard to NOT typically give a person credit for being helpful early on. I won't say I never find active people scummy, bit its a hell of a lot easier to look town when you are contributing than when you're not.

 

Who do you think should die today, and who should never die? I'd check your ISO but I'm on my phone and lol that

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