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  On 10/28/2015 at 4:07 PM, cory caboose said:

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

it crossed my mind, but would hallia really be so unlucky as to rand wolf yet again? Past couple of games had quite a bit of halliwolf in it

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 4:09 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:07 PM, cory caboose said:

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

it crossed my mind, but would hallia really be so unlucky as to rand wolf yet again? Past couple of games had quite a bit of halliwolf in it

 

 

The desire to let this impact me read is so tempting and terribad.  >_<

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 12:04 PM, cory caboose said:

Don't like either of these wagons

I agree. I'm in particular not a fan of the Zander-wagon.

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 4:09 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:07 PM, cory caboose said:

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

it crossed my mind, but would hallia really be so unlucky as to rand wolf yet again? Past couple of games had quite a bit of halliwolf in it

 

 

Of course she could.

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 1:18 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 5:47 AM, Sooh said:

Clov and Yates are players I need time to read, as I stated in my post. I probably won't have a good solve for either of them D1. I'm still looking of course, but in terms of making conclusions about their alignment I feel it's premature.

But you have zero problems solving Corlanna before lunch?

 

It's a gut feeling. I can't really explain it, because in my eyes Cory is really good at replicating his town game as scum. Laine has always been a difficult read for me, but Cory makes that hydra towny for me now.

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 4:09 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:07 PM, cory caboose said:

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

it crossed my mind, but would hallia really be so unlucky as to rand wolf yet again? Past couple of games had quite a bit of halliwolf in it

 

 

I follow the Leelou principle of "sometimes when it rains, it pours"

Posted

Anyone who knows Rack:

 

This whole "I'm keeping my cards close to my chest" and "I'd rather they didn't know I was looking at them" thing, is that common for him as town?

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 4:11 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:09 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:07 PM, cory caboose said:

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

it crossed my mind, but would hallia really be so unlucky as to rand wolf yet again? Past couple of games had quite a bit of halliwolf in it

 

 

The desire to let this impact me read is so tempting and terribad.  >_<

 

i laughed at that post. :wub:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:11 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:09 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:07 PM, cory caboose said:

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

it crossed my mind, but would hallia really be so unlucky as to rand wolf yet again? Past couple of games had quite a bit of halliwolf in it

 

 

Of course she could.

 

i'm nor ruling it out for now. it would suck for her, but i guess we'll see as the game progresses. I have other people higher on my wtl list now

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 4:07 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:07 PM, cory caboose said:

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

 

w/w?

 

 

wolf/wolf

Sort of a simple example but Hallia's stance on dice could be colored irt to dice's read on Nomi

 

I think Hallia thinks that way as a wolf tho

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 4:14 PM, Sooh said:

This whole "I'm keeping my cards close to my chest" and "I'd rather they didn't know I was looking at them" thing, is that common for him as town?

 

It's common for WF players in either alignment

 

They don't like making reads

 

Rack can be a villagery villager but sometimes his ranges can get muddled

 

I would say he's well within his wolf range aorn

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 4:15 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:07 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:07 PM, cory caboose said:

Hallia/Nomi have w/w equity as well.

 

Hmmm

 

w/w?

 

 

wolf/wolf

Sort of a simple example but Hallia's stance on dice could be colored irt to dice's read on Nomi

 

I think Hallia thinks that way as a wolf tho

 

 

Thanks!

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 4:06 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:01 PM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 3:57 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 3:30 PM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

If you assumed it was Thane (I think this was the person) then why did you write out a long response about something else earlier? If you didn't want to assume then I don't get why you wrote a long response as though we were talking about Zander's vote for someone else. And I totally disagree that it was in jest. I think that he threw down the vote on the most popular train at the time in hopes of getting people to jump on. There were other people around that time who had said some iffy things about Lenlo so imo Zander was trying to get those people to jump on the wagon.

 

 

You mean the "In red are you referring to Lenlo's vote on Laine, which prompted Zander's initial vote?" etc post?  Moments like that are what I look back on proudly when I actually catch scum.  :happy:

 

And as I said, "That definitely does not mean that scum!Zander would not see the joke as a convenient opportunity to 'start a little run' as you characterize it in your quote."  But there is no disputing whether the vote was a joke.  The debatable topic is whether the joke disguised ulterior motives.  You are now committing to the view that it had ulterior motives from the get-go.  Ok.  Elaborate on what, in your opinion, might have lead scum!Zander to make this decision.

 

 

I have explained it multiple times. There were some people who expressing some small-ish doubts on Lenlo so he was trying to draw them into maybe voting. If he'd gotten just one person to join him on the wagon then that would be nearly half the votes needed with nobody else being close. If you're asking for info on why specifically Zander might do that then you're just out of luck because I don't know Zander at all.

 

 

Nah, what I'm looking for doesn't require any deep Zander meta, just whatever you are employing to construct your read.  But irt "There were some people who expressing some small-ish doubts on Lenlo so he was trying to draw them into maybe voting." I'd like for you to show me what you're referring to.

 

 

Now I see what you mean. I'm about to leave for class so I'll be on mobile so I'll do it later when I get back.

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:16 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:14 PM, Sooh said:

This whole "I'm keeping my cards close to my chest" and "I'd rather they didn't know I was looking at them" thing, is that common for him as town?

 

It's common for WF players in either alignment

 

They don't like making reads

 

Rack can be a villagery villager but sometimes his ranges can get muddled

 

I would say he's well within his wolf range aorn

 

 

I don't understand those last two lines

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 3:05 AM, Lenlo said:

See, I dont like Zander cause he never definitively says something that someone else hasn't said first.

 

He doesnt say "This is a good response" or "This is a town response", but "Is it odd I really like this response?". He didnt say anything about me till there were others. It feels to me like  he is following people, using his jokes/lols/never being 100% serious in a post and the number of his posts as a smokescreen to hide behind. You all may think thats towny, but I dont.

 

If he wants to be town in my book, he has to actually start casing people and posting original content. 

 

 

Harsh but this furthers my point i made earlier about wolves not liking me....lolololololol

 

My response to your post quoted here is:  "I think this is a bad response" and "This is a Scum response"...is this better???  And dude...I know im not all that bright but if someone said "is it odd i really LIKE this response is prolly the same has saying it was a good response imo....thoughts on that homie?

 

Hey I don't worry what people im scum reading think of what I do.  I do things my way...it may not be pretty but it gets the job done!!!

 

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Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 3:07 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:41 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:29 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:17 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:15 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:08 AM, Clovdyx said:

Things that make me say, "Hmmm..."

Penny for you thoughts?

Your argument is not very good, and Sili following you - if serious - is terribad.

I obviously disagree on the argument so we'll just agree to disagree on this point

 

 

I'm sure you do, but I don't see how.  The initial post thing is whatever - if you don't know Zander, it might feel forced, but I can pull dozens of examples of posts like that where he was town.  I think it was Yates that summed it up perfectly...it's 100% null for him.  

 

Defending and backing people up is a pretty fair claim, but as I said with Pral, not sure that's really scummy.  Finding townies significantly narrows down the possible pool for mafia, so there's a lot of value there, and I would say it's usually easier to find a few good town reads on D1 than a strong mafia read (barring an absolute screw up).  In terms of laying low...I would fully buy that if it were true, but for Zander, specifically, this is hardly the case.  The guy has over a hundred posts and has been one of the most active players in the game.

 

Biggest issue is your claim of him piling on.  I don't think Lenlo was really a popular wagon at all when Zander voted; he had votes from you and Sili.  In a phase where it's 9 to lynch, 2 votes don't mean a whole lot.  It means even less when there's five days left in the phase and neither your vote nor Sili's had much backing behind it.  

 

 

The initial posting thing wasn't really a big part of my argument at all, it was just the event that made his posts stand out to me while I was catching up.

 

When I said lay low, I meant it as in he wasn't saying anything offensive that would draw attention to himself. I think he phrased his words carefully. On post 435 Pralaya posted some quotes of his that emphasize it. Note that in none of them does he say he thinks someone is town. He imo is calculating with his language, instead phrasing it as him not thinking that town or mafia (Player) would do that but he also leaves some doubt in the posts so he could possibly wiggle out of it later without looking too bad. I think it's a very clear scum tactic.

 

Lenlo may have only had 2 votes then, but he put it to three which is a third of the vote. The rest of the votes were really spread out at the time too. Not only that, but there were a couple of people who had said things about Lenlo around there that they were iffy. It's not crazy to think that Zander was hoping to start a little run.

 

 

 

OMG he's going on about my joke vote was an attempt to get people after Len...lolololollol

 

I wont answer this myself but I'll allow others to answer it....

 

What is my response in any game about people voting ALANNA...( :wub: :wub: :wub: ).(The 1 "Incident" doesnt count cause it was Shad's fault.... :sad: )

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 3:26 AM, Lenlo said:

Just let it be known, I will not be standing in the way of a Zander lynch. Not until he steps up his game and posts some original content.

 

 

seems like youre leaving yourself an out here....

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 4:01 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Dice would be town this game imo. Nomi, not so sure

You think? I'm having trouble coming to this conclusion. What are you seeing?
Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 4:27 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 3:07 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:41 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:29 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:17 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:15 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:08 AM, Clovdyx said:

Things that make me say, "Hmmm..."

Penny for you thoughts?
Your argument is not very good, and Sili following you - if serious - is terribad.
I obviously disagree on the argument so we'll just agree to disagree on this point

I'm sure you do, but I don't see how. The initial post thing is whatever - if you don't know Zander, it might feel forced, but I can pull dozens of examples of posts like that where he was town. I think it was Yates that summed it up perfectly...it's 100% null for him.

 

Defending and backing people up is a pretty fair claim, but as I said with Pral, not sure that's really scummy. Finding townies significantly narrows down the possible pool for mafia, so there's a lot of value there, and I would say it's usually easier to find a few good town reads on D1 than a strong mafia read (barring an absolute screw up). In terms of laying low...I would fully buy that if it were true, but for Zander, specifically, this is hardly the case. The guy has over a hundred posts and has been one of the most active players in the game.

 

Biggest issue is your claim of him piling on. I don't think Lenlo was really a popular wagon at all when Zander voted; he had votes from you and Sili. In a phase where it's 9 to lynch, 2 votes don't mean a whole lot. It means even less when there's five days left in the phase and neither your vote nor Sili's had much backing behind it.

The initial posting thing wasn't really a big part of my argument at all, it was just the event that made his posts stand out to me while I was catching up.

 

When I said lay low, I meant it as in he wasn't saying anything offensive that would draw attention to himself. I think he phrased his words carefully. On post 435 Pralaya posted some quotes of his that emphasize it. Note that in none of them does he say he thinks someone is town. He imo is calculating with his language, instead phrasing it as him not thinking that town or mafia (Player) would do that but he also leaves some doubt in the posts so he could possibly wiggle out of it later without looking too bad. I think it's a very clear scum tactic.

 

Lenlo may have only had 2 votes then, but he put it to three which is a third of the vote. The rest of the votes were really spread out at the time too. Not only that, but there were a couple of people who had said things about Lenlo around there that they were iffy. It's not crazy to think that Zander was hoping to start a little run.

 

OMG he's going on about my joke vote was an attempt to get people after Len...lolololollol

 

I wont answer this myself but I'll allow others to answer it....

 

What is my response in any game about people voting ALANNA...( :wub: :wub: :wub: ).(The 1 "Incident" doesnt count cause it was Shad's fault.... :sad: )

I guess I'm missing context here but I don't think the context should matter anyways. What better excuse could you have for that tactic than a joke vote? If that train takes off you can just leave it there and if it doesn't you can do exactly this. Any context behind the joke votes doesn't necessarily have to change your motives.

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 4:05 PM, cory caboose said:

I think Thane and dice are on the same team

 

And I think that team is the village

This is at least half right.
Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 4:13 PM, Sooh said:

It's a gut feeling. I can't really explain it, because in my eyes Cory is really good at replicating his town game as scum. Laine has always been a difficult read for me, but Cory makes that hydra towny for me now.

Yeah. So you see why I would be surprised at your read, yes? I mean, are Clov and I really that much harder for you to figure out? I know you struggle with your Lainey reads. I know you know Cory can replicate his Town game as wolf. And somehow you have come to the conclusion that two people you have - by your own admission - confirmed history of having difficulty solving are Town? It just seems weird because I would expect to see "Corlanna/Clov/Yates Hard to read day one" from you MUCH more often.
Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 4:44 AM, dicetosser1 said:

@nomi   you have blatantly said i am someone else but im not going to tell the whole truth of that. theres grounds for distrust to start. then you contradict youself regarding rack.

 

dont like my vote? too bad. you said ureself that u distrust players who dont share and lynch them in a neutral setting. Im practicing what u are preaching

 

 

and reading him scum by doing that very same thing yourself???

 

 

maybe im missing or not understanding something but this seems very odd to me...

Posted
  On 10/28/2015 at 4:21 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 3:05 AM, Lenlo said:

See, I dont like Zander cause he never definitively says something that someone else hasn't said first.

 

He doesnt say "This is a good response" or "This is a town response", but "Is it odd I really like this response?". He didnt say anything about me till there were others. It feels to me like  he is following people, using his jokes/lols/never being 100% serious in a post and the number of his posts as a smokescreen to hide behind. You all may think thats towny, but I dont.

 

If he wants to be town in my book, he has to actually start casing people and posting original content.

 

 

Harsh but this furthers my point i made earlier about wolves not liking me....lolololololol

 

My response to your post quoted here is:  "I think this is a bad response" and "This is a Scum response"...is this better???  And dude...I know im not all that bright but if someone said "is it odd i really LIKE this response is prolly the same has saying it was a good response imo....thoughts on that homie?

 

Hey I don't worry what people im scum reading think of what I do.  I do things my way...it may not be pretty but it gets the job done!!!

 

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This entire post just reads like a bro going "Brooooo. Like, broooo. I cant answer a serious question cause that would impact peoples view of me as a carefree person that im coasting off of. Brooooo. 

 

Gets the job done? You dont do the job. You let other people do the job, the wrongly attribute it to yourself. Your that guy in a group project that puts his name at the top of the paper and then "delegates"

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 4:27 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 3:07 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

-snip-

 

 

OMG he's going on about my joke vote was an attempt to get people after Len...lolololollol

 

I wont answer this myself but I'll allow others to answer it....

 

What is my response in any game about people voting ALANNA...( :wub: :wub: :wub: ).(The 1 "Incident" doesnt count cause it was Shad's fault.... :sad: )

 

The bold is disgusting.

Posted

Its really starting to get to me, like I have no idea why people are clearing you Zander. Its almost purely off of your personality and its legitimately infuriating.

 

Someone that isnt Shad or Zander please explain just what the heck you people see in him, cause I just see a carefree coasting attitude similar to what I used to try to do, just taken to the extreme. 

Posted

Zander/Lenlo argument is just a distraction at this point

Lenlo, Zander doesn't care that you don't care for his fire-from-the-hips say whatever comes to mind rely on gut personality and playstyle, he's #nofilter and this is what he does. Feelers gonna feel.

Zander, Lenlo doesn't care that you don't like his rigidness and value in explanations and linear thinking over just sort of feeling your way through things. This has been Lenlo for years and at least he's talking and I'm interested in what Lenlo has to say about things other than you but every time the thread moves in an interesting direction you two are going at it like jackrabbits. Thinkers gonna think.

 

Kiss and make up

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