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[Yates]

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:40 AM, cory caboose said:

If you want angry bully backhand slap Cory to awaken and start demanding things I can do that if you push me to a certain level of aggravation.

No. It's already not fun. I was just confused [from my own pov]. And it's something I was thinking about during my drive home earlier.

[Sili Quirrels]

but no, i wasn't serious. but i also believe rack is genuine.

 

fact is i haven't paid much attention to zander, so i want to. i also think the wolves will be polarized this way.

[Lenlo]

Dice hasn't been paying attention.

 

Hallia to update the list, Zander stays where he is at cause I find what he is doing to be an obnoxious smoke screen. Rack rapidly heading down the lost though

[Hallia]

  On 10/26/2015 at 10:30 AM, alannalynn said:

*snip*

 

.....Hally's in this game?

 

 

 

 

I find this forced.  At this point in time I had been posting fairly regularly for as short of a game as it was.  And Laine had actually quoted/responded.  Of course Laine's going to come in and say that it's sarcasm, but it feels super fake to me.

 

Also up to page 23, I like Pral's intro.  He's townish right now.

[Clovdyx]

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:49 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

nothing i can do in this game will make me a wolf, ever.

 

I've actually had you as pretty strong town most of the game, but that vote bumped you below my other confident town reads.  If you're up to something, that's one thing, but immediately following the person you've been calling scum for days on a case I feel is pretty objectively flawed is NOT a good look.

[Yates]

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:46 AM, Hallia said:

What had I done at this point to be suspicious?

Can I answer this not for him but for myself? Or do you want me to wait?

[Cory Caboose]

Sili I have no exceptionally accurate read on Nomi

 

I just sort of want him to be a villager because I like him

 

I understand there's a level of bias there

 

He seems like he's probably EXPERIENCED so should be held at a higher competency standard but he's just so cute

[Clovdyx]

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:53 AM, Hallia said:

 

  On 10/26/2015 at 10:30 AM, alannalynn said:

*snip*

 

.....Hally's in this game?

 

 

 

 

I find this forced.  At this point in time I had been posting fairly regularly for as short of a game as it was.  And Laine had actually quoted/responded.  Of course Laine's going to come in and say that it's sarcasm, but it feels super fake to me.

 

Also up to page 23, I like Pral's intro.  He's townish right now.

 

 

.....I actually don't hate this.  

[Cory Caboose]

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:53 AM, Hallia said:

I find this forced.  At this point in time I had been posting fairly regularly for as short of a game as it was.  And Laine had actually quoted/responded.  Of course Laine's going to come in and say that it's sarcasm, but it feels super fake to me.

 

If you're going to talk about Laine you should talk about me

 

Lay it on me Halleh

[Hallia]

Up though 26

 

I like Thane's game so far as well.  He can be added to my townpile along with Lenlo, Yates, Clov, Pral for the moment.  Zander was up there but the spamming is kinda...I know he does it as either alignment, but there comes a point when it's very distracting.

 

 

 

  On 10/26/2015 at 7:38 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 10/26/2015 at 2:12 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/26/2015 at 2:07 PM, alannalynn said:

Oh yeah.... THAT game. You were tricksy af. >_>

LOL.

BEST. FAKE. CLAIM. EVER.

I thank Sili.

 

 

Do you REALISE how hard you made it for me and Shad to claim Masons late game when Zander was in the game and we rolled it? Bonks Yates  thanks for that btw!

 

  On 10/26/2015 at 3:10 PM, Clovdyx said:

Thane was also mafia with you in arthurian mafia, Yates. Iirc he was mostly inactive and oated by. Not vastly different from star wars.

Whoever asked about Hallia - shes been less active her past few games, and was mafia in a couple, but she wasn't overly active in a town game. My key with her isn't the number of posts but how she's using them. Town Hallia is usually (slighty) more forthcoming with reads and some sort of justification.

When she doesn't say anything or doesn't really back anything is when I worry.

So we are giving road maps for Hally to use to avoid things if she is mafia now? Noted

 

Yes, people saying the same things they say about me every game is a road map.  Blech.

 

Lowest on my list so far is Rack, Dice, Alanna/Correh at the moment, in that order.

[dicetosser1]

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 3:35 PM, Nomi Sunrider said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 10:41 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:29 AM, Nomi Sunrider said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 2:35 AM, Shad_ said:

Honestly Is not wanting players to be able to apply meta to you ever a pro-town thing?

If you lynch me on the basis of wanting to play with some openly stated anonymity, you will find a dead townie as a result.

I'm sorry, I don't believe it's necessary. My general level of experience and that I am playing under a pseudonym is freely volunteered meta information as it is game relevant. Exactly who I am is private, and that is my final word on the matter. With respect and love for my fellow players. :)

I'm nice person. Give me a chance to just be me without meta entanglements. It's all I want.

:)

 

I have no problem letting you be you, bit you can't possibly expect anyone to put stock into a meta "defense" (quotes because you weren't necessarily defending her, as much as avoiding persecuting her) you are providing when you are deliberately avoiding identifying yourself.

It's exceptionally easy for mafia to say "<person> looks like their town self", and looking good with a town flip. When you only know them from offsite we have no way of knowing if your statement is valid

 

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Even easier would be for a mafioso to simply reveal their identity, so as to make plain the truth of the statement. Many of you know Sooh from previous games. If I were telling pork pies, your own natives would be able to contradict me. I trust this group to be able to work it out- it's not particularly wise for a scum Nomi to defend a scum Sooh in this manner. The link becomes obvious and without the evidence of saying where I'm from and citing example, it's not as strong. And all this can be avoided simply by saying more about me. This is the problem of relying on meta. I have my reasons, and revealed to the game host who I am so as to maintain game integrity. But your reliance on meta has caused you to overlook the obvious, here. It's more harmful than helpful to rely on it, as your reasoning falls apart under its own logic. There's nothing at all to be gained by saying a mistruth about knowing Sili from previous games without it being true, especially if I'm not willing to back up such a statement. There's no there, there. So to speak. But a combination of normal distrust (its a mafia game) and reliance on meta has led you to an unreasonable position. All I ask is that you take a look at it with an objective eye, and you'll form the right conclusions.
 
One has little to do with the other- I can absolutely be mafia. But not for such a reason. Judge me on my merits this game, don't rely on histories.
 
If I have nefarious aims for saying this or that about certain players, the link is still there, openly, regardless of the truth about my meta. Knowing exactly what it is doesn't change that fact. So you're missing nothing that enables you to solve it. It's a quite reasonable position to say, that's sufficient data. As a fellow mafia player, you can solve the game based on that, you need no more.
 
I trust this settles this unimportant matter.

Carry on.

 

 

Ok i am having an issue with this. For me its not about you meta. This game is about trust. developing trust in those you think town. Not trusting those you dont think are town. You start in the middle and start leaning one way or another based on what is said and for some on meta true. Thing is this "im not telling you guys who I really am" thing is rasing my hackles. and not in the sense of private info like saying i live in such and such but in that it has been so out there.  Add to that its annoying me cause Im feeling like Ive seen a Nomi Sunrider around DM before. its an itch i cant get. Then theres the fact that DM has been screwed by alt accounts before and actually has a policy about them. 

 

By it being so open that you are not sharing everything openly I automatically start to lean Mafia on your slot.

 

Then theres this below

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 5:04 PM, Nomi Sunrider said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:53 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:34 PM, Nomi Sunrider said:

Oh that's right, Rack is from another forum, this is his first game here, just noticed from the sign-up thread. Am I interpreting that correctly, Cory? You seem to have met elsewhere. I have my suspicions but it just seems kinda rude to lynch Rack day one as our way of welcoming him here.
 

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Now taking bets this is why I die if Rack's guilty.

 

 
Rack is from WalterFootball, the origin of me and Clov.

 

 

He does look odd in the generic sense. I think his approach he's taking is useful as scum because it reveals essentially zero about his team even if he's caught. That said, without metadata I can't say he's being different. Just that I generally distrust players who share as little as possible and would lynch them in a neutral setting over those who give me more to digest. My gut says lynch but my experience is telling me I'm policy lynching and playing it safe and that's not the same as finding a scum day one. And the solution to a player who is revealing little, who is a townie, is to give them more time to reveal more. But the wiring is still all backwards and I want to make them die now, to be safe.

 

My day ones are usually crap, and this is the sort of reason why. Rack is an unknown quantity, much like Sooh was. Yet I'm biased to give more time to Sooh because I know that's usually a fruitful option.

 

My conclusion is that I'm not the best judge of what we should do about Rack right now. I'm going to defer to you because I trust that you're a townie and that you would make a better judgement about Rack than I can at the present time. This post is going to sound weird to like 10 people.

 

 

seeing the irony here?? 

 

So right now Im wanting to unvote vote Nomi  you can say its cruddy reasoning but the fact is you are giving me reason to distrust you. 

[Cory Caboose]

Hallia I am an honest to God villager

 

You are not just going to list me as your top wolf and dance away, we are going to discuss this now.

[dicetosser1]

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:53 AM, Lenlo said:

Dice hasn't been paying attention.

 

Hallia to update the list, Zander stays where he is at cause I find what he is doing to be an obnoxious smoke screen. Rack rapidly heading down the lost though

 

Dice just did an almost 20 page catch up. I may have missed somethings.

[Cory Caboose]

I just got a really bad sinking feeling that we're going in the wrong direction and I can't figure out how or why

 

Like weird sinking feeling

 

Ugh

[Hallia]

Up to 30.

 

  On 10/26/2015 at 9:25 PM, Shad_ said:

Dice feels off to me a little.  Not sure why.

Yes.  Up to this point I feel the same.

  On 10/26/2015 at 9:29 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/26/2015 at 9:20 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 10/26/2015 at 7:48 PM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/26/2015 at 7:38 PM, dicetosser1 said:

Do you REALISE how hard you made it for me and Shad to claim Masons late game when Zander was in the game and we rolled it? Bonks Yates  thanks for that btw!

You're welcome.
 

  On 10/26/2015 at 7:38 PM, dicetosser1 said:

So we are giving road maps for Hally to use to avoid things if she is mafia now? Noted

Why did you single out Clov? Cory and I did it too, you know. It's just meta... And we've done it for you in the past.

 

 

I missed ures  saw corys but he does that regularly and he seemed  iirc to keep it non specific. Clovs seemed more specific. And I just didnt like it.

 

 It may also be a cumalative effect  that ive seen others do it and then i saw him do it too.   Kinda like how Lenlos drunk comment stood out coming after mine.

 

 

I don't understand the point here.  You don't like it because you don't think I should do it?  Or you don't like it because you think it somehow suggests I'm mafia?

 

If it's the former, tough - I'm going to answer questions.  If it's the latter, okay, but I don't understand the logic behind it.  Yes, technically it's telling mafia!Hallia what she can do to appear town to me, but that really only matters if we're mafia together....in which case, I could just tell her privately and avoid helping whoever it was that asked (Nomi?).  If anything, it gives Nomi a baseline for understanding how I approach the game and gives him something to use to judge me.

 

  On 10/26/2015 at 10:49 PM, dicetosser1 said:

it opened up   in my mind   the possibility that you might be scum together. Up to then I had you as pretty solid town. Hally as nothing. It caused a doubt hence i noted it

 

As for why??  using skeptical dice thinking : 1  Answering Nomi in that manner can get you brownie points. 2    Saying it on thread helps make sure Hally sees it whether she looks in the thread or the QT

 

 

I know its tinfoil hence why i noted it not voted it.

 

This exchange further solidifies my feelings for both Clov and Dice.

  On 10/27/2015 at 2:58 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

it's a cormag.

That helps, thanks!

  On 10/27/2015 at 5:34 AM, Thane Vakarian said:

good luck with the costumes! (how do they look?)

Our group is doing a kind of twisted Alice in Wonderland, I love mine!

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:54 AM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:46 AM, Hallia said:

What had I done at this point to be suspicious?

Can I answer this not for him but for myself? Or do you want me to wait?

 

You may

  On 10/28/2015 at 1:08 AM, cory caboose said:

Hallia I am an honest to God villager

 

You are not just going to list me as your top wolf and dance away, we are going to discuss this now.

I'm here.  Making dinner and catching up, but here. <3

[Cory Caboose]

So let's try a new experiment

I want you to tell me EVERYTHING that bothers you about me this game

"Laine saying something sarcastic" doesn't count because that's basically her language

[Yates]

  On 10/28/2015 at 1:14 AM, Hallia said:

You may

For me it wasn't what you had said but more what you hadn't said. Have you been gone for a couple of days? Are you back? Can I expect to see you Towning up the joint? Your recent posts are ~alright.

[alannalynn]

Awake now! I've been kinda keeping up with the game but going to do a better reread tonight, after my homework

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:53 AM, Hallia said:

 

  On 10/26/2015 at 10:30 AM, alannalynn said:

*snip*

 

.....Hally's in this game?
 

I find this forced.  At this point in time I had been posting fairly regularly for as short of a game as it was.  And Laine had actually quoted/responded.  Of course Laine's going to come in and say that it's sarcasm, but it feels super fake to me.

 

Also up to page 23, I like Pral's intro.  He's townish right now.

It actually wasn't sarcasm at all. I found myself surprised to see your name (along with BFG and Taborline) on the list of players because I couldn't remember any stances you'd made. I think I responded to you in my first post on p3 but that was about it until I mentioned you again on p18.

 

Here are your posts up until the time I made the post you are referring to, so you can see what I'm talking about.

 

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  On 10/24/2015 at 1:53 AM, Hallia said:

I love that Hydra, two of my fav peoples imo

fluff

 

  On 10/24/2015 at 2:18 AM, Hallia said:

All teh day1z

fluff

 

  On 10/24/2015 at 5:56 AM, Hallia said:

 

  On 10/24/2015 at 2:34 AM, Shad_ said:

Hallia how is it possible that you still manage to be in every single game I have ever played here?

 

I love you that much?

fluff

 

  On 10/24/2015 at 3:29 PM, Hallia said:

 

  On 10/24/2015 at 4:57 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/24/2015 at 4:42 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

[v]shad[/v]

 

 

  On 10/24/2015 at 4:42 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

shad isnt town obviously. :P

 

I'd question this, but it's Sili...and he's voting the guy who called me names.  At this point, I don't see why Sili shouldn't be treated as modconfirmed town.

 

Is this a joke?  Or sarcasm?  Because if you're serious, no.  Why on earth should he be treated as modconfirmed town?

  On 10/24/2015 at 2:00 PM, Zander said:

Heheheee

Questions Clov's joke, but otherwise fluff.

 

  On 10/24/2015 at 3:40 PM, Hallia said:

Needs moar smiley faces imo

fluff

 

  On 10/24/2015 at 7:56 PM, Hallia said:

Rack, wait til you get to know him.

fluff? joke?

 

  On 10/25/2015 at 4:15 PM, Hallia said:

 

  On 10/24/2015 at 6:19 PM, Nomi Sunrider said:

Still waiting on Yates, Taborline, Parlaya, and Dice.

 

In the meantime I'm considering voting for Sili so the page isn't just Sili making quintuple posts over and over.

 

And in other news, Zander, congratulations on being a townie.

I was going to ask what site you were from, etc, but I see Laine beat me to it

 

  On 10/24/2015 at 8:24 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 10/24/2015 at 7:56 PM, Hallia said:

Rack, wait til you get to know him.

Wait, whats this supposed to mean Hally?

 

It means that you get scum read easily, and lynched a lot ( like me ; . ; )

  On 10/25/2015 at 12:45 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Super aggressive hot air w an agenda is wolf yates.

No?

  On 10/25/2015 at 12:51 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

And by agenda i mean you seem to want to conflaggurate me and clov into v and v violence which i rly rly dont like.

No.

  On 10/25/2015 at 1:06 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 10/25/2015 at 1:05 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

  On 10/25/2015 at 1:03 AM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/25/2015 at 1:00 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

I'm with Sili

Oh? You and Sili are teamed up as scum?

Nope, not like you and Lenlo

 

 

i cant tell if youre serious or not

 

I think he is.

 

adds nothing to the game

 

 

[Hallia]

Correh - It just stuck out to me because she had directly spoken to me, and then asked if I was in the game.

[Hallia]

Yes Yates, I have been gone since the weekend.  I'm here for the evening.  Finishing catching up while eating.

[alannalynn]

  On 10/28/2015 at 1:18 AM, cory caboose said:

So let's try a new experiment

 

I want you to tell me EVERYTHING that bothers you about me this game

 

"Laine saying something sarcastic" doesn't count because that's basically her language

Are you saying I'm always sarcastic? Because I can kinda agree with that.

[Hallia]

My questioning of Clov was not fluff.

[Hallia]

Also my response to Rack regarding Lenlo was not fluff, or a joke.

[alannalynn]

  On 10/28/2015 at 1:28 AM, Hallia said:

My questioning of Clov was not fluff.

  On 10/28/2015 at 1:28 AM, Hallia said:

Also my response to Rack regarding Lenlo was not fluff, or a joke.

Do you at least see where I'm coming from though? There was ~3 days and 15 pages between when I actually DID respond directly to you and when I questioned whether you were in the game. During that time, you gave me nothing to work off of. Which means I can't read you, much less remember you.

[alannalynn]

  On 10/26/2015 at 2:24 PM, alannalynn said:

When it comes to Hallehhh I just measure fluff to content. If fluff outweighs content, and she's hiding a bunch, she probably needs some pressure