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Yeah, definitely not seeing whatever you are in regards to Rack/Sooh, Sili.  As far as I can tell, the only things Sooh has said about Rack this game is that she likes him (after the Triple H thing) and saying that she wanted more posts from him.  

 

If anything, I would want to take a closer look at Sooh AFTER a Rack maf flip.  Assuming you hadn't moved off Rack, Cory's move from Sooh to Rack made it a four way tie between the two of them, Lenlo, and Zander.  Sooh immediately unvoted Thane - who she had said earlier in the day she didn't have much reason to move off of - and went for Hallia.  

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it's premised on the assumption sooh was reading and engaged in the thread.

 

if those two conditions are true, then it being clear she was feeling the pressure from her wagon based on nearly dozens of posts, i strongly doubt sooh as a wolf would vote a villager counter wagon to a wolfbro while feeling the heat unless (only exception that I can think of) she was quite desperate.  I suspect she would be inclined to bus if she was a wolf in that situation because all her other games as a wolf have ended up in her being lynched.

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I'm not sure I agree, but I think the most likely scenario - from a preservation standpoint - would have been voting one of the existing wagons, unless she thought votes are likely to change over the next couple days (which is actually probably true).

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  On 10/27/2015 at 10:21 PM, Clovdyx said:

I'm not sure I agree, but I think the most likely scenario - from a preservation standpoint - would have been voting one of the existing wagons, unless she thought votes are likely to change over the next couple days (which is actually probably true).

ditto.

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Votecount

Sooh - Lenlo, Thane (2)

Lenlo - Rack, Zander (2)

Rack - Sili, Corlanna (2)

Hallia - Nomi, Sooh (2)
Zander - Pral (1)

Corlanna - Shad (1)

Nomi - Clov (1)

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline: Friday 30th 3PM PST.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Well I had some posts queued up but I lost them so oh well. But I think the push on me is stupid but not scummy. I think it was silli that was saying they were expecting me to finally say something when I got back but I pretty clearly stated in my post that I wasn't going to actually be able to catch up until later. So now I'm gonna give you some thoughts.

 

I don't really set out with a concrete strategy, but the Lenlo thing was kinda just looking for actions. I wasn't entirely happy with Lenlo's reactions to it but it wasn't terrible and I have a bigger scum read anyways.

 

I think Zander is scum. I thought his opening post felt forced but some people said it was just him so I was like whatever. Someone else pointed this out (I forget who) but he's spent a lot of time just defending and backing people up. It's a pretty easy tactic to lay low and get on some people's good side. Zander said that he had been attacking people though, but it wasn't a high risk one. He just jumped on the popular Lenlo bandwagon. His reasoning wasn't good either, Lenlo imo was pretty clearly just using a mostly gut read on that person who had barely posted so I didn't get why Zander was making a big deal about it. It felt like a weak reason to jump on a popular bandwagon. I'm gonna Vote: Zander

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What about my reactions didn't you like Rack? After this long I'd like more from you.

 

Also anything to say aboit everyone else?

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  On 10/27/2015 at 11:37 PM, Lenlo said:

What about my reactions didn't you like Rack? After this long I'd like more from you.

 

Also anything to say aboit everyone else?

I'm good. I play it close to the chest mostly. And to be honest I don't have a good read on a couple of you either. Not knowing the people on this forum, some people haven't stood out to me enough yet to remember what I thought of their posts.

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  On 10/28/2015 at 12:15 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:08 AM, Clovdyx said:

Things that make me say, "Hmmm..."

Penny for you thoughts?

 

 

Your argument is not very good, and Sili following you - if serious - is terribad.

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  On 10/28/2015 at 12:17 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:15 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:08 AM, Clovdyx said:

Things that make me say, "Hmmm..."

Penny for you thoughts?

Your argument is not very good, and Sili following you - if serious - is terribad.

I obviously disagree on the argument so we'll just agree to disagree on this point

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  On 10/27/2015 at 9:32 PM, Clovdyx said:

I'm confident to the point that I'm going to feel bad if I'm wrong.

Aright. I started to rethink my Day 1 position on Corlanna. It's a hypermeta thing I don't really want to get in to, really, besides stating that the last game I recall Cory Townreading me in early was in the all scum game when we were on different teams and didn't know it was an all scum game. And I was reminded of that recently.
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  On 10/28/2015 at 12:17 AM, Clovdyx said:

Sili following you - if serious - is terribad.

My guess, based on the tongue, was that it wasn't. But I'm not really going to ask him to confirm unless he's gotten what he's wanted out of this...
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Yates I'm almost entirely sure what you are thinking and it's a matter of environment. I don't feel particularly compelled to intervene. Sometimes I need to drive discussion and other times I don't. See whatever I said to AJ in HoC, it's a matter of comfort level and figuring out where I am going to be most useful.

 

I'm at the point at DM where villages are good enough that I can do what I need to do to get the most accurate reads. If you want angry bully backhand slap Cory to awaken and start demanding things I can do that if you push me to a certain level of aggravation.

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  On 10/28/2015 at 12:29 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:17 AM, Clovdyx said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:15 AM, rackcitysteelers said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:08 AM, Clovdyx said:

Things that make me say, "Hmmm..."

Penny for you thoughts?

Your argument is not very good, and Sili following you - if serious - is terribad.

I obviously disagree on the argument so we'll just agree to disagree on this point

 

 

I'm sure you do, but I don't see how.  The initial post thing is whatever - if you don't know Zander, it might feel forced, but I can pull dozens of examples of posts like that where he was town.  I think it was Yates that summed it up perfectly...it's 100% null for him.  

 

Defending and backing people up is a pretty fair claim, but as I said with Pral, not sure that's really scummy.  Finding townies significantly narrows down the possible pool for mafia, so there's a lot of value there, and I would say it's usually easier to find a few good town reads on D1 than a strong mafia read (barring an absolute screw up).  In terms of laying low...I would fully buy that if it were true, but for Zander, specifically, this is hardly the case.  The guy has over a hundred posts and has been one of the most active players in the game.

 

Biggest issue is your claim of him piling on.  I don't think Lenlo was really a popular wagon at all when Zander voted; he had votes from you and Sili.  In a phase where it's 9 to lynch, 2 votes don't mean a whole lot.  It means even less when there's five days left in the phase and neither your vote nor Sili's had much backing behind it.  

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  On 10/28/2015 at 12:38 AM, Yates said:

 

  On 10/28/2015 at 12:17 AM, Clovdyx said:

Sili following you - if serious - is terribad.

My guess, based on the tongue, was that it wasn't. But I'm not really going to ask him to confirm unless he's gotten what he's wanted out of this...

 

 

I assumed it's not, as well, but I'm not prepared to commit to that.

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  On 10/26/2015 at 3:57 AM, Lenlo said:

 

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I had quotes, but it kinda went up in flames cause DM. I have work I need to do tonight, so im just gonna post my notepad thoughts that came up as I was reading. Heres my current list.
 

(In not particular order)
 
Town:
 Clov
 Yates
 Lenlo
 
Null to Town:
 Rack
 Shad
 Sili
 
Null: 
 Hallia
 Parlaya
 Corlanna (Cory/Alanna)
 Taborline
 Dice
 BFG
 Nomi
 
Null to Scum:
 Thane
 Zander 
 Sooh
 
Scum:

 
 
[v]Sooh[/v]
 
I wanna see how this goes, and maybe shed some light on Dice and Sili in the process.

I don't dislike this list, aside from Rack being so high, and Zander being so low.

  On 10/26/2015 at 7:18 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Shad
Yates
Lenlo? I suspect but not sure. I wont fight his demise if its unanimous. Ill reread him later maybe. I think hes been reserved. I have mixed feelings. Sometimes he says stuff right. His pov is a mix of aggression and passiveness towards me. Cant say i like how many times he asks qs and doesnt follow up.
Clov
Corylynn this name is better but i will call u laine
Zander
Sooh

Are town i think.

Hali rack suspect

What had I done at this point to be suspicious?

  On 10/26/2015 at 7:42 AM, Thane Vakarian said:

 

Hallia: stepped up for Lenlo, most obvious of all players. It strikes me as odd at that point in the game. 

 

I explained it a bit, perhaps I should've elaborated.  I have seen Len misread a lot, and someone from outside of the normal crowd was going at him.  Of course I'm going to if I feel like he's being townish.

 

o.o I broke the chatbox.  Stopping there.

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  On 10/27/2015 at 3:06 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 3:03 PM, Lenlo said:

No he's saying what you just said is something he said and thus got caught I believe.

 

 

HEY!!!!!  Wolves arent allowed to answer for me!!!!!

 

 

 

 
  On 10/27/2015 at 4:40 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 10/27/2015 at 4:38 PM, Lenlo said:

Silis got a gun?

Someone post Jamie's got a gun music video for me quick!

 

 

it dont matter Lenlo, you'll be a lunched wolf before that happens!!!

 

 

So you think Len is mafia?? why?

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