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[Cory Caboose]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:30 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Fair enough re: BFG but she did sub out due to being able to be active enough. 

 

She tends to find a way as a villager.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:30 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:06 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 2:39 PM, Taborline said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 2:36 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 8:41 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

Her hammer is too obviously wolfy to be agenda driven. Dont fall into that trap...

Entirely dependent on whether or not Lenlo is a wolf

 

 

This is what makes me think we should be trying to look elsewhere right now? Lenlo's resolution would give us a LOT of help, I think, but we can't afford to lose more town players.

 

 

What are you suggesting here?

 

 

 

I wonder if Lenlo is being pushed through as a town player, and am worried that other reads are too dependent on his flip. If he IS town, we aren't really in a position to lose him for that sake as we've lost too many town already.

 

 

This is what I meant when I said people are talking about Lenlo's lynch as something of an info lynch 

[Lenlo]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:27 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:41 AM, Lenlo said:

I still believe that what he has posted hasnt been actual casing. He is using his "gut" as an excuse to hound players and get them lynched cause thats what you people call town Zander. He posts alot and shouts alot and gifs alot to drown out how little actual casing/arguing he has done this game. By tunneling on me since D1, he hasnt had to place a single vote anywhere else or worry about having to push a lynch on anyone else. He is going to be able to coast to D4 without having to do alot of "work" work.

 

 

OK LISTEN MAN STRAIGHT UP FREAKING SHOW ME WHERE YOU DID MORE CASING THIS GAME THEN I DID!!!

 

 

IVE DONE MORE WORK THIS GAME THEN YOU HAVE!!

 

 

SHOW EVERYONE HOW THIS IS EVEN REMOTELY TRUE!!!

 

You always get so worked up over these kinds of posts, which makes me think I might have struck a nerve.

 

Youve done more posting and face work thats for sure.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:31 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:30 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

Fair enough re: BFG but she did sub out due to being able to be active enough. 

 

She tends to find a way as a villager.

 

 

Yes and no. As a villager she makes great summary and quoted posts that are usually pretty lengthy and does her fair bit of investigation and digging. I take it she couldn't this game and hence subbed. As you have shown, I haven't seen a BFG town game where she isn't actively scum hunting and analysing so...

[Cory Caboose]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:30 PM, Taborline said:

I wonder if Lenlo is being pushed through as a town player, and am worried that other reads are too dependent on his flip. If he IS town, we aren't really in a position to lose him for that sake as we've lost too many town already.

 

If you are a villager:

 

Remember the conditional reads like this you were making in Ragnarok. Read people on their own content, not on what other people think. What do you think of Lenlo based on his postings?

[ReleaseTheEvil]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:31 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:27 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:41 AM, Lenlo said:

I still believe that what he has posted hasnt been actual casing. He is using his "gut" as an excuse to hound players and get them lynched cause thats what you people call town Zander. He posts alot and shouts alot and gifs alot to drown out how little actual casing/arguing he has done this game. By tunneling on me since D1, he hasnt had to place a single vote anywhere else or worry about having to push a lynch on anyone else. He is going to be able to coast to D4 without having to do alot of "work" work.

 

 

OK LISTEN MAN STRAIGHT UP FREAKING SHOW ME WHERE YOU DID MORE CASING THIS GAME THEN I DID!!!

 

 

IVE DONE MORE WORK THIS GAME THEN YOU HAVE!!

 

 

SHOW EVERYONE HOW THIS IS EVEN REMOTELY TRUE!!!

 

You always get so worked up over these kinds of posts, which makes me think I might have struck a nerve.

 

Youve done more posting and face work thats for sure.

 

 

Eh, that was a weak reply. Come on Lenlo 

[Cory Caboose]

You are literally Lenlo coast through another day phase because "the wagon grew on him too quick".

 

Amazing.

[Shad_]

  On 11/6/2015 at 3:43 PM, cory caboose said:

I had Thane as a villager early because his reads were very non-consensus and abstract but all it takes is a single player in the Mafia QT to go "Thane, remember that your reads as a villager are usually very unique and non-consensus" to stop that from being reliable

 

I don't know; Thane has gotten progressively better about sharing and explaining his reads over the course of the games I've played with him.  This game strikes me as the next step in that pattern.  I would expect a little digression in his first scum game after this recent stretch of town rands.

[Lenlo]

What kind of reply would you have wanted RTE? Cause im not going through a 190 page game for something like that.

[Shad_]

Still not caught up but I think we locked in a second wolf by not speed-lynching Lenlo.

[Cory Caboose]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:35 PM, Shad_ said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 3:43 PM, cory caboose said:

I had Thane as a villager early because his reads were very non-consensus and abstract but all it takes is a single player in the Mafia QT to go "Thane, remember that your reads as a villager are usually very unique and non-consensus" to stop that from being reliable

 

I don't know; Thane has gotten progressively better about sharing and explaining his reads over the course of the games I've played with him.  This game strikes me as the next step in that pattern.  I would expect a little digression in his first scum game after this recent stretch of town rands.

 

Are you just saying something or do you actually have the content and data necessary to believe this?

 

It's too late to make reads because "something strikes you".

[Taborline]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:33 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:30 PM, Taborline said:

I wonder if Lenlo is being pushed through as a town player, and am worried that other reads are too dependent on his flip. If he IS town, we aren't really in a position to lose him for that sake as we've lost too many town already.

 

If you are a villager:

 

Remember the conditional reads like this you were making in Ragnarok. Read people on their own content, not on what other people think. What do you think of Lenlo based on his postings?

 

 

Off the top of my head, all I can think about Lenlo is he spent WAY too much time being overly emotional about Zander, which was not overly helpful to a town team.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:34 PM, cory caboose said:

You are literally Lenlo coast through another day phase because "the wagon grew on him too quick".

 

Amazing.

 

Not true. But if you had to say who on Lenlo's wagon isn't town, who would be your picks? 

[Zander?]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:45 AM, Lenlo said:

At first Thane was not town cause of a gut read. I didnt take it all that seriously and so didnt push him thinking I could talk with him later to see what happened.

 

I talked with him, real time, didnt get a repeat gut thingy goin on so decided to call the first one a wiff and start from scratch with him as null. 

 

As the game progressed he put in work, he talked with everyone, he didnt choose not to engage/talk to people just cause they pestered him. I liked it.

 

He disagreed with me on Zander, but he didnt just call me scum for it and it warmed my little heart enough to LOCK CLEAR him.

 

As others made themselves clear scum to me and I got a list I decided to move him up from null to town, but not up with Clov and Shad.

 

 

BUY YET YOU SAY ALL MY CASING AND SCUM READS ARE GUTREADS???!!!!?!?!?   YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE WHERE I SEE A PROBLEM HERE RIGHT??

 

 

"A wiff"  lololololololol nice excuse....

 

 

so just so im clear iyo youre saying Thane has put in more work then me this game....has interacted with more players and that I choose to avoid interacting with people "pestering" me.???

 

Cause I very strongly disagree.

 

And this is 100% not a knock or anything at Thane but I've been all over this game Len and your blatant refusal to see it is damning for you imo.

[ReleaseTheEvil]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:35 PM, Lenlo said:

What kind of reply would you have wanted RTE? Cause im not going through a 190 page game for something like that.

 

A reply where you consider Zander's meta before jumping to "Oh there you go over-reacting again"

 

He isn't, just cause he posted in caps doesn't mean his post deserved a valid reply...

[Cory Caboose]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:37 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:34 PM, cory caboose said:

You are literally Lenlo coast through another day phase because "the wagon grew on him too quick".

 

Amazing.

 

Not true. But if you had to say who on Lenlo's wagon isn't town, who would be your picks? 

 

 

This isn't how I make reads

 

Who is on Lenlo's wagon? Me, Zander, Hallia?

[Lenlo]

Z, im not going to get into another spat with you. Today is to important to waste with you.

 

RTE, I dont know Zanders meta. Not from personal experience atleast. I have never played with him before.

[Cory Caboose]

 

Votecount

 

Lenlo - Zander, Corlanna, Hallia, Dice (4)

Hallia - Lenlo, Thane (2)

Corlanna - Sili, Yates (2)

 

NOT VOTING: Taborline, RTE, Shad

 

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

 

Don't forget to vote on the deadline: http://strawpoll.me/5931891

 

 

[Cory Caboose]

Zander
Shad

Sili

 

Dice

 

Taborline

 

Hallia

Thane

RTE

 

Yates

Lenlo

[Yates]

[unvote]

I'm voting for the wrong reasons.

 

Let me reread Clov when I get to my desk.

[Cory Caboose]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:36 PM, Shad_ said:

Still not caught up but I think we locked in a second wolf by not speed-lynching Lenlo.

 

Talk to me

[ReleaseTheEvil]

So your answer would be Hallia then?

[Cory Caboose]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:48 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

So your answer would be Hallia then?

 

Sure. What's the point of this exercise?

[ReleaseTheEvil]

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:49 PM, cory caboose said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:48 PM, ReleaseTheEvil said:

So your answer would be Hallia then?

 

Sure. What's the point of this exercise?

 

 

I feel at least one person on his train are scum, regardless of his flip. So I wanted to know who you'd guess that person would be. 

 

I could see a Hallia - Lenlo scum team, Hallia might hammer to save him. 

[Zander?]

  On 11/6/2015 at 5:05 AM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 11/6/2015 at 4:41 AM, Lenlo said:

I still believe that what he has posted hasnt been actual casing. He is using his "gut" as an excuse to hound players and get them lynched cause thats what you people call town Zander. He posts alot and shouts alot and gifs alot to drown out how little actual casing/arguing he has done this game. By tunneling on me since D1, he hasnt had to place a single vote anywhere else or worry about having to push a lynch on anyone else. He is going to be able to coast to D4 without having to do alot of "work" work.

Well this is fine. But have you stopped to think yet why we consider this Zander town Zander? Maybe we're not insane, huh?

 

 

....i may yell and posts Gif's a lot but i definitely feel ive been putting in the work and progressively getting better at casing and explaining myself each time out.