Age of Legends [standard] Mafia - Game Over

[Nolder]

 

I don't think I ever said obvious town when referring to Shad did I? 

 

 

Three days into the game you've had these sort of posts:

 

 

Yes I was referring to Shad as locktown.

 

 

I wonder how Calder feels about Shad now? IMO he's basically locktown.

 

 

 

I don't really get how you got to locktown at that point. I

 

Hmm ok fair enough. I probably shouldn't have been saying locktown that early. I was pretty confident though 

[Nynaeve]

Now you're just tinfoiling to make it fit your view of the situation. If they were signaling each other on thread...where are the signals? And wouldn't that be something incredibly dangerous to do regarding something so minor?

 

It seems highly unlikely to me that mafia would have some sort of plan to avoid the Shad/Calder thing. If mafia did avoid it they did so separately on their own. It wouldn't have been a planned thing.

 

Signaling as reading the situation as V/V. Crusher did it. Halli did it. If I were in a scum team and my scummates were reading the main blow out as V/V... I might decide to stay away since we can't talk during the day. It's just a thought.

 

It seems unlikely, sure. Laine also questioned me if I really thought two scummies would be doing the same thing... but as it turns out they were. There's no arguing that. 

[Zander?]

 

 

I don't think I ever said obvious town when referring to Shad did I? 

 

 

Three days into the game you've had these sort of posts:

 

 

Yes I was referring to Shad as locktown.

 

 

I wonder how Calder feels about Shad now? IMO he's basically locktown.

 

 

 

I don't really get how you got to locktown at that point. I

 

Hmm ok fair enough. I probably shouldn't have been saying locktown that early. I was pretty confident though 

 

 

 

[Zander?]

[v] unvote [/v]

[Nynaeve]

Myabe I'm overthinking it. But at this point.... I'm giving out my thoughts regardless of what anyone might think. If you don't agree (which in Nolder's case... he obviously would't). Then that's fine too. Still gonna give out my thoughts.

[Nolder]

 

Now you're just tinfoiling to make it fit your view of the situation. If they were signaling each other on thread...where are the signals? And wouldn't that be something incredibly dangerous to do regarding something so minor?

 

It seems highly unlikely to me that mafia would have some sort of plan to avoid the Shad/Calder thing. If mafia did avoid it they did so separately on their own. It wouldn't have been a planned thing.

 

Signaling as reading the situation as V/V. Crusher did it. Halli did it.

I did it, Kiv did it. I think Clov did as well IIRC.

 

We're not all mafia.

[Nolder]

Myabe I'm overthinking it. But at this point.... I'm giving out my thoughts regardless of what anyone might think. If you don't agree (which in Nolder's case... he obviously would't). Then that's fine too. Still gonna give out my thoughts.

I just don't understand why you think there was some kind of conscious effort on the part of mafia to stay away from Calder/Shad.

In my experience most mafia teams are not that well coordinated they mostly just talk about power reads and who they want to kill.

And this team has had even less coordination than most due to no day chat.

 

All I'm saying is if mafia were all staying away from Calder/Shad they most likely made that decision independently, meaning there is no connection for you to find.

[Nynaeve]

re: Hallia

IIRC I was voting her and then we switched to Calder. It had nothing to do with AJ. If Calder had kept his cool Hallia would have been lynched before AJ died.

 

I'm not really sure about that. I recall that there was an ongoing discussion that one of Shad/Calder being scum. I can't predict what would have happened if Calder hadn't gone bat sh*t.... but I think that was the focus at the time.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

FWIW, i also had shad as solid town by the end of D1. It's why he was my fakepeek of choice for D2.

 

But Nolder was unusually emphatic about it unusually early.

That's fair. I don't have much of experience with Shad so maybe that's part of why I've struggled.

 

But after seeing both Crusher and Halli checking it off as v/v, I'm feeling a little wary about anyone that seems to have written it off as v/v too easily (seeing as my theory that they were staying away cause one of shad/calder was scum was incorrect).

 

I'll have to check out Laine and you irt this as well cause I don't remember off the top of my head.

 

Just pointing out this means you've gone from "scum was staying away because one was a wolf" to "scum was staying away because it was v/v", which isn't really progression of your read ("scum will be staying away from shad/calder") based on new information so much as rejustification for a completely different and directly opposite reason.  Given that you were involved, if you actually are scum it's good cover to keep the "scum stayed away" thought process alive.

 

On the other hand, if you're town and none of me, Laine, or Nolder were involved in Shad/Calder - I don't recall about Laine - then it's trivially obvious ... so this is null to me.

 

 

After seeing two confirmed scum avoiding that situation... then I think it's fairly obvious I was wrong. I still don't understand why they would stay away from it... maybe they were signaling each other on thread to stay away from it to let town push one of them? I don't know. But there's no denying that they were staying away from it.

 

As scum, I would have taken advantage of the situation. But Crusher and Hallia are not me so   *shrugs*

 

 

atp werent you reading them both scum and pushing them (shad/calder)?  maybe i not remembering that correctly but please let me know.

 

 

Nyn?

[Nynaeve]

 

 

Now you're just tinfoiling to make it fit your view of the situation. If they were signaling each other on thread...where are the signals? And wouldn't that be something incredibly dangerous to do regarding something so minor?

 

It seems highly unlikely to me that mafia would have some sort of plan to avoid the Shad/Calder thing. If mafia did avoid it they did so separately on their own. It wouldn't have been a planned thing.

 

Signaling as reading the situation as V/V. Crusher did it. Halli did it.

I did it, Kiv did it. I think Clov did as well IIRC.

 

We're not all mafia.

 

 

It's fine to read the situation as v/v as long as that initial read is later supported by more than that as the game progresses. I'm missing that from you in the ISO. I will see if I miss it when I read Kiv and Laine's posts (not sure how Laine was reading it, have to check). I'm not gonna ISO Clov, but I'm positive that Clov was constantly analyzing their content. He didn't just lock clear them like you did.

[Nolder]

Was it ever decided if we're switching to hammer or not?

[Zander?]

Was it ever decided if we're switching to hammer or not?

 

were on DL. not hammer

[Nynaeve]

 

atp werent you reading them both scum and pushing them (shad/calder)?  maybe i not remembering that correctly but please let me know.

 

Nyn?

 

 

No I wasn't. I was reading Calder as a town lean on D1 and Shad as a scum lean, because I thought he was responding badly in their interactions. He didn't respond any better when I leaned on him. However, Crusher happened, and I felt a lot more strongly on him, considering his vote on me, how he reacted to Kivam's push. So I went with my gut. On D1, basically both of my top scum reads were the leading trains. So I went with who I felt more strongly about, which was Crusher.

 

On D2, after Crusher's flip, I was convinced that he tiptoed around Shad/Calder thing because one of them was his scummate. It didn't make sense to me that he would miss out on an opportunity that fell in his lap. Instead he kept nudging me, saying I was ambushing Shad and being antagonistic. So... I said I thought there was scum in one of Shad/Calder. Clov agreed with me, if I recall.

 

I liked Calder more... but Calder went all quiet after his thing with Shad.... so I ISOed him and realized that we were well into D2 and that while pretty much everyone gave at least an initial read list... the only read he gave was on Shad, basically. There was another player he nudged a bit (Kiv or AJ, i think)... but the entirety of his content was Shad Shad Sahd.... and nothing else about the rest of the players. When I asked him to provide reads, he refused. And then he just started trolling as I leaned in on him and I interpreted that as lolcatting and supported his lynch. Clov feeling the same way helped too, because he has actual experience with him. But basically, I couldn't see a townie doing what Calder did. I still don't. 

[Nolder]

 

Was it ever decided if we're switching to hammer or not?

 

were on DL. not hammer

 

Ok so we've still got plenty of time then. Thanks.

[Shad_]

I don't think I ever said obvious town when referring to Shad did I? My read on Shad comes mostly from experience and gut. Remember I originally called Shad/Calder town on town violence and only voted Calder after he started trolling the game. Yes my content on Shad was static. I'd written him off as town and nothing he said after bothered me. I mean maybe that's sloppy play but when I write someone off as town I don't usually pay much attention to them anymore because I'm trying to hunt the mafia.

 

Fair enough on Crusher I can't really argue with that. All I can tell you is I was confused about Kiv's trap thing at the time which is what prompted me to tie the trains. I don't like being confused with bad reads so I wanted something better. And honestly I think it worked. Since EOD1 I feel like my gameplay improved dramatically in this game and honestly whether I'm lynched or we even end up losing I'm happy with how I've played this game. Not my best game ever but pretty solid still imo.

 

I don't know what to tell you about Thane. I STILL feel like he should be the last mafia. His gameplay this game has been pretty bad. I don't want to make him feel bad or pick a fight but if circumstances were different he would be my pick for lynch still. That's all there is to that. 

 

re: Hallia

IIRC I was voting her and then we switched to Calder. It had nothing to do with AJ. If Calder had kept his cool Hallia would have been lynched before AJ died.

 

Just curious, anything in particular that experience taught you here?

[Nynaeve]

 

Myabe I'm overthinking it. But at this point.... I'm giving out my thoughts regardless of what anyone might think. If you don't agree (which in Nolder's case... he obviously would't). Then that's fine too. Still gonna give out my thoughts.

I just don't understand why you think there was some kind of conscious effort on the part of mafia to stay away from Calder/Shad.

In my experience most mafia teams are not that well coordinated they mostly just talk about power reads and who they want to kill.

And this team has had even less coordination than most due to no day chat.

 

All I'm saying is if mafia were all staying away from Calder/Shad they most likely made that decision independently, meaning there is no connection for you to find.

 

 

I mean, sure, you say that. But 2/3 of the scum still stayed away from it. All I'm saying is that it might mean something.

[Shad_]

Thane and Shad we needa have a chat.

 

Oh believe me we will chat.  Just not quite yet.

[Nolder]

 

 

Myabe I'm overthinking it. But at this point.... I'm giving out my thoughts regardless of what anyone might think. If you don't agree (which in Nolder's case... he obviously would't). Then that's fine too. Still gonna give out my thoughts.

I just don't understand why you think there was some kind of conscious effort on the part of mafia to stay away from Calder/Shad.

In my experience most mafia teams are not that well coordinated they mostly just talk about power reads and who they want to kill.

And this team has had even less coordination than most due to no day chat.

 

All I'm saying is if mafia were all staying away from Calder/Shad they most likely made that decision independently, meaning there is no connection for you to find.

 

 

I mean, sure, you say that. But 2/3 of the scum still stayed away from it. All I'm saying is that it might mean something.

 

Ok well prove it to me and then I'll believe it. Until then it's just useless conjecture, no offense.

[Nolder]

 

Thane and Shad we needa have a chat.

 

Oh believe me we will chat.  Just not quite yet.

 

Cutting it close my friend. I think deadline is tomorrow is it not?

[Shad_]

Also, does Crusher like to bus team mates?

[Nynaeve]

Also, does Crusher like to bus team mates?

 

I don't think he would shy away from it

[Kivam]

 

Thane and Shad we needa have a chat.

 

Oh believe me we will chat.  Just not quite yet.

 

Heading to court now.  FWIW, I'd appreciate it if you guys chat early enough to come to some conclusion with enough time before deadline for US East Coast folks to react to it.

[Shad_]

 

 

Now you're just tinfoiling to make it fit your view of the situation. If they were signaling each other on thread...where are the signals? And wouldn't that be something incredibly dangerous to do regarding something so minor?

 

It seems highly unlikely to me that mafia would have some sort of plan to avoid the Shad/Calder thing. If mafia did avoid it they did so separately on their own. It wouldn't have been a planned thing.

 

Signaling as reading the situation as V/V. Crusher did it. Halli did it.

I did it, Kiv did it. I think Clov did as well IIRC.

 

We're not all mafia.

 

 

This post troubles me a little.

[Thane Vakarian]

i'm here. And glad we're not switching to hammer just yet. 

 

I'm sorta caught up, and i have to say: Wolf between Nolder and Laine imo.

 

why Nolder? feels off to me since early game. His comment and actions concerning voting (tying votes, going on about me not voting D1) seem calculated. It wouldn't surprise me f he'd drive the lynch of his teammates so he can survive as long as possible, with as much towncred as possible, to eventually win. I get the impression that scum Nolder would do anything for victory. 

Why Laine? I do remember her mentioning something about a mislynch on her this game being the first in ever. Well... Hallia was pretty certain to me when she didn't comment on the little joke i made about lynching her every game untill she flips wolf. (TownHallia would have commented on it). In regards to this... if we lynch Laine, and she flips wolf, it wouldn't technically be a mislynch, right? 

 

Yes, i have odd ideas at times, but it makes sense to me. 

[BFG]

Official VC 4.8

 

Nolder (1): Thane

 

Kivam (1): Kivam

 

Not voting (5): Layne, Nolder, Nyn, Zander, Shad