Age of Legends [standard] Mafia - Game Over

[Zander?]

I support a Hallia lynch. She has not helped me at all.

 

Calder partners prolly left in Shad Hallia .....Thane

[Nolder]

O.o I said why I thought Dice was scum.  I've been scum with him a few times in the past, and while yes, he is a lower poster generally as either alignment, he normally has a certain level of snarkiness that comes out when scum, at least to me.  

Mmm ok. I didn't notice any snarkiness myself (aside from the non game related spat we had). Also you were wrong so there's that.

What made you switch to Crusher again before you went to bed?

 

@ Nolder about Thane- Its about AJ.

Bro you're throwing me through a loop here. Does AJ know about the thing with Thane?

[Clovdyx]

So that leaves Thane as the weirdo then. Hmm.

Here's something to think about: have Hallia and Calder interacted at all this game?

 

 

 

I just did an ISO on Calder.  Ctrl + F for "Hallia"

 

-Responded to her question, when she asked what his name is on WF

-This post:

 

 

Well i think the last 2 scum are in this group - Hallia/Calder/Shad (big gap).....Zander

 

Since i am Calder, i would prefer one of the other two in the main clump.

 

 

-His more recent posts when he said he would support a lynch on her.

[Nolder]

 

So that leaves Thane as the weirdo then. Hmm.

Here's something to think about: have Hallia and Calder interacted at all this game?

 

 

 

I just did an ISO on Calder.  Ctrl + F for "Hallia"

 

-Responded to her question, when she asked what his name is on WF

-This post:

 

 

Well i think the last 2 scum are in this group - Hallia/Calder/Shad (big gap).....Zander

 

Since i am Calder, i would prefer one of the other two in the main clump.

 

 

-His more recent posts when he said he would support a lynch on her.

 

That's not good.

Alright I feel bad about Thane but I guess we can always come back to him if Calder is just trolling.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Calder[/v]

[Zander?]

 

interesting. I will not be around much tomorrow, and only more or less in today (training my viking group tomorrow)

 

I half expected people to go after me for not voting. Logical. Sorta. Personally, i dislike D1, and i do not vote unless i'm 100% convinced they will flip wolf. In some games, i didn't even vote D2 either. My vote is the only power i got, so i want to get the right one, if i can. 

 

i am still feeling bad about the town loss last game i was in. I want to have a town win in this one. 

 

@Nolder: Is AJ providing seer cover in your opinion or is he.... something else?

But you have unlimited votes, why "save" them for the right moment?

I don't know. Why are you hunting Seer and not wolves?

 

 @ Nolder concerning Thane

[Andrej]

AJ, you peeked Kiv last night, right?

 

No - Zander.

 

I wanted someone on the CW to Crusher and figured with Shad/Calder one of them was gonna get resolved before too long. Didn't think the wolves would also SHC my peek, but whatever.

[Andrej]

Still catching up.

 

Nolder at one point you are saying that you don't think voting patterns are that important - so why did you vote Thane for not voting at EOD?

[Andrej]

As in, if you don't think voting patterns will reveal teammates, why do you think Thane not voting makes him scum?

[Calder]

Fear. Fear the flip.

[Nynaeve]

FINAL VC D1

 

Shad (4): Dice, Zander, Calder, Clov

 

Crusher (7): Kivam, Nyn, Shad, Nolder, Hallia, Laine, AJ

 

Kivam (1): Crusher

 

Not voting (1): Thane

 

 

 

The way I'm looking at it we got one scum on Kivam (ie Crusher)... and one scum on Shad (ie Calder). I think Shad's train is clean beyond Calder. 

 

When Halli voted Crusher and went to bed... she put Crusher at 6 votes, vs the 4 votes on Shad. I'm not sure if I see her doing that as his teammate.... vs forcing a tie. Dunno. Then Clov unvoted, voted Shad and brought it back to a tie. And then both AJ and Laine voted Crusher simultaneously five minutes before deadline. AJ added one vote to Crusher and reduced one from Shad (cause he was sitting on Shad). And Laine changed her vote from Nolder to Crusher. Thing is... I think it was apparent that Clov was screwing around and would ultimately vote Crusher again... so I'm not that open to giving either of them credit there. 

 

Then there's of course Thane who wasn't voting for anyone.

 

Looking at wagonomics alone... I'd say the POE is Laine, AJ, Thane. Out of the three, Laine is prolly the one I like least. AJ I have liked throughout the game but I can't deny that he's an implacable wolf.  Thane is Thane... I dunno. 

 

Looking at game content.... I obviously didn't care for Nolder and Shad. But I think once we have a confirmed scum flip on Calder,... we can pretty much go with Shad being a townie. Which means that my concerns about Nolder's tying vote lessen considerably. 

[Thane Vakarian]

hmm, this must be the busiest i've seen a mafia game ever be in a weekend.

[BFG]

@Mod - Can you shorten the deadline if we reach, say, 80% majority with no intention to move?  Nobody cares about that holiday anyways.

 

 

Seconded

 

 

Thirdededededed?????

 

Deadline would normally be Sunday 7.30 Neverland time and was extended due to DM weekends and the holiday. I can switch it to Sunday or Monday 7.30PM BST if there's a majority preference for one of them. With 11 people playing that's 6 people to switch to an earlier deadline :)

 

 

 

Town core has decided.  Day phase ends tomorrow at whatever time is most convenient for BFG.  

 

I will now be PMing her Disney gifs, pictures of rocks, and a slew of lovey dovey emoticons to bribe her.

No fig trees?

 

Still waiting

 

PM box is empty

 

[Nolder]

Still catching up.

 

Nolder at one point you are saying that you don't think voting patterns are that important - so why did you vote Thane for not voting at EOD?

Pretty sure that's not what I said? Easy question to answer though. It looked to me like he purposely avoided taking a stand. Fence sitting is a known scum tactic.

 

As in, if you don't think voting patterns will reveal teammates, why do you think Thane not voting makes him scum?

See above.

[Clovdyx]

 

AJ, you peeked Kiv last night, right?

 

No - Zander.

 

I wanted someone on the CW to Crusher and figured with Shad/Calder one of them was gonna get resolved before too long. Didn't think the wolves would also SHC my peek, but whatever.

 

 

Oh, that's right.  Thought process makes sense - either one flipping maf should have spewed the other one town, while Zander was kind of sidelining it (no offense brother).  

[Andrej]

I'll vote to shorten the DL for this phase.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Calder[/v]

[Thane Vakarian]

seeing the votes on Calder... i wonder if i broke my scumdar somewhere.....

[Thane Vakarian]

DL can be shortened, i vote for that. The game is active enough

[Nynaeve]

Clov, I'm not sue why you've cleared Laine. I trust her as far as I can throw her...

hint: it's not very far.

 

 

I even recall Zander showing a bit of concern about her at some point.

 

 

 

What exactly about her is giving you townie vibes?   (Zander feel free to answer that as well)

[BFG]

Official VC 2.9

 

Hallia (1): Clov

 

Calder (8): Shad, Kivam, Zander, Nyn, Calder, Hallia, Nolder, AJ

 

Not voting (2): Thane, Laine

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

 

 

@ Clov- Straight up you think Calder is scum?

 

@ Calder- Straight up you think Calder Clov is scum?

 

Answer truthfully cause if not I'll cry and be really really hurt and scarred emotionally forever and ever.

 

FWIW Calder didnt answer my question.....

 

Hell yes he is scum.

 

[v]Calder[/v]

 

 

 

Morrrrrning. Pretty much caught up. I went through Calders posts, I get a lot of the same vibe from him that I got from Crush, except he's more active. I see the hesitation to put a reads list out when asked, and I don't like it.

 

[v] Calder [/v]

 

 

 

 

So that leaves Thane as the weirdo then. Hmm.

Here's something to think about: have Hallia and Calder interacted at all this game?

 

I just did an ISO on Calder.  Ctrl + F for "Hallia"

 

-Responded to her question, when she asked what his name is on WF

-This post:

 

 

 

Well i think the last 2 scum are in this group - Hallia/Calder/Shad (big gap).....Zander

 

Since i am Calder, i would prefer one of the other two in the main clump.

 

-His more recent posts when he said he would support a lynch on her.

 

That's not good.

Alright I feel bad about Thane but I guess we can always come back to him if Calder is just trolling.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Calder[/v]

 

I'll vote to shorten the DL for this phase.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Calder[/v]

 

[Nynaeve]

 

I support a Hallia lynch. She has not helped me at all.

 

Calder partners prolly left in Shad Hallia .....Thane

 

 

Honey, I know you had your heart set on Shad being scum (I did too! lol)... but do you honestly think that Calder spent 100 posts hounding and votng him if they were teammates?  

[Clovdyx]

 

FINAL VC D1

 

Shad (4): Dice, Zander, Calder, Clov

 

Crusher (7): Kivam, Nyn, Shad, Nolder, Hallia, Laine, AJ

 

Kivam (1): Crusher

 

Not voting (1): Thane

 

 

 

The way I'm looking at it we got one scum on Kivam (ie Crusher)... and one scum on Shad (ie Calder). I think Shad's train is clean beyond Calder. 

 

When Halli voted Crusher and went to bed... she put Crusher at 6 votes, vs the 4 votes on Shad. I'm not sure if I see her doing that as his teammate.... vs forcing a tie. Dunno. Then Clov unvoted, voted Shad and brought it back to a tie. And then both AJ and Laine voted Crusher simultaneously five minutes before deadline. AJ added one vote to Crusher and reduced one from Shad (cause he was sitting on Shad). And Laine changed her vote from Nolder to Crusher. Thing is... I think it was apparent that Clov was screwing around and would ultimately vote Crusher again... so I'm not that open to giving either of them credit there. 

 

Then there's of course Thane who wasn't voting for anyone.

 

Looking at wagonomics alone... I'd say the POE is Laine, AJ, Thane. Out of the three, Laine is prolly the one I like least. AJ I have liked throughout the game but I can't deny that he's an implacable wolf.  Thane is Thane... I dunno. 

 

Looking at game content.... I obviously didn't care for Nolder and Shad. But I think once we have a confirmed scum flip on Calder,... we can pretty much go with Shad being a townie. Which means that my concerns about Nolder's tying vote lessen considerably. 

 

 

Regarding Hallia (blue section)- I understand where you're coming from with this, but she had said multiple times that she thought was townish from her exchange with Calder.  In fact, she said they were likely town/town from it, which I thought was strange.  She had Crusher as gray.  Hallia is a smart player; I don't think she votes a townread near deadline to force a tie with a null.

 

 

Red section - Just based on their EoD, I like AJ more than any of them.  He was under no real obligation to move to Crusher after I switched.  If Laine had abstained, there was only a 50/50 that Mafia!AJ loses his teammate.  Why make that 100% when the counter wagon is somebody he actively pushed?  It's not like AJ just randomly sheeped onto Shad.

 

Laine would be in the middle.  Kind of like Hallia, it would have set off flags if she voted Shad there, but I think she would feel more obligated to vote in that situations as town than mafia.  She got pissed at me when I did something ~somewhat similar in Harry Potter (she thought I was setting up a trap by voting her top mafia read, so that she would look back if she didn't follow me).

 

Thane not voting obviously looks the worst, but I'm pretty sure he's clean.

[Zander?]

 

 

AJ, you peeked Kiv last night, right?

 

No - Zander.

 

I wanted someone on the CW to Crusher and figured with Shad/Calder one of them was gonna get resolved before too long. Didn't think the wolves would also SHC my peek, but whatever.

 

 

Oh, that's right.  Thought process makes sense - either one flipping maf should have spewed the other one town, while Zander was kind of sidelining it (no offense brother).  

 

[BFG]

Since proposals are allowed. I have my own:

 

My vote represents 51% of the total votes going forward. Make this happen BFG.

I can offer you a 9.1% share and that's my final offer

[Andrej]

@AJ: I find it interesting that you would have picked Zander and myself as your peeks. Personally, i have 3 ideas in my head:

1) you actually are seer and are doing your job well, clearing people when not finding wolves

2) you can be providing seer cover and you're lucky guessing your peeks

3) you're wolf, so you know who's town and are fakepeeking to gain towncred. 

 

i find scenario 1 the most likely, and would hate if it were 3. If it's 2, then good, you did guess 2 townies right. (if you wanna know, Zander is town imo)

 

Firstly, I didn't 'pick' you as my peek - you were the N0 random, which with how this game is shaking out I am happy for.

 

I picked Zander simply because he was on the CW to flipped scum and I felt the way he was honing in on Shad D1 could've been wolfy (I questioned Shad about this because he seemed rather forgiving of it). Crusher's flip sort of cemented - I actually expected him to come back guilty but I'm cool with the result. Didn't expect wolves to SHC him as well, but he's doubly confirmed as far as I'm concerned.

 

I sort of wish you hadn't brought this up though. If option 3 is the truth I would be outed eventually for NOT dying when I had a bunch of correct peeks when the real Seer were to flip.

 

Between 1 and 2, well...

 

[Nynaeve]

I dunno, Clov. I'm just not feeling a Hallia lynch. I'd choose lynching Laine over her any day, basically.

 

I'll try to ISO Laine today or tomorrow morning to show my concerns. But I got bad juju from her recently, when I felt that she was trying to egg me on against Nolder.