Age of Legends [standard] Mafia - Game Over

[alannalynn]

 

Nolder, page 22... i mean... ??? what are you doing there?

What's your objection? I can only interpret so much from question marks.

 

I can assume he's talking about your "placeholder vote" which you dropped and it's weird but idk if you explained if you even had a scum read on Kiv or not. So?

[Nolder]

 

 

Nolder, page 22... i mean... ??? what are you doing there?

What's your objection? I can only interpret so much from question marks.

 

I can assume he's talking about your "placeholder vote" which you dropped and it's weird but idk if you explained if you even had a scum read on Kiv or not. So?

 

I explained, which is why I don't understand why Thane is confused.

[Thane Vakarian]

i wouldn't call it an objection... it just made me go "wtf?" the actions seem to come out of nowhere there. You have me seriously confused at this point (hence why i haven't been able to clear you (yet?) )

[Thane Vakarian]

 

 

 

Nolder, page 22... i mean... ??? what are you doing there?

What's your objection? I can only interpret so much from question marks.

 

I can assume he's talking about your "placeholder vote" which you dropped and it's weird but idk if you explained if you even had a scum read on Kiv or not. So?

 

I explained, which is why I don't understand why Thane is confused.

 

you did explain, but i'm not convinced by the explanation itself.  

[Nolder]

My vote on Calder was a reply to Clov.

Clov asked me WWSD which I interpreted as What Would Shad Do.

I replied TWSS or That's What Shad Said and voted Calder.

It was just a place holder until I got a better grip on the game.

 

Make more sense?

[Nolder]

Oh. Well I can't help you then I guess.

If you have any specific questions I can answer let me know.

[Thane Vakarian]

well, at this point i would just like to see how this game and the players will develop. I honestly have a hard time D1, and it starts making sense to me after N1. 

 

Nolder, i have a hard time in general reading you, it's not only ths game. Perhaps i'll manage at some point *nods*

[csarmi]

I'm not in this game?

 

*pouts*

[Nynaeve]

God I hope not

[alannalynn]

In spoiler because mehh lots of quotes, don't wanna crowd things up.

Read up to the top of pg10 for now, so this is what I have so far.

Few questions within (Shad, Calder, Clov, Andrej)

 

 

 

 

Here. As I said, limited me until Thursday. Possibly no me until Thursday. I will do my best. I've now been awake for like 35 hours straight and won't be sleeping for another 8-9.
Alanna tired y'all
#helpme

Alanna's playing to her scum meta here.

 

 

 

Rage will be worth it.

 

 

? Unfortunately though, the last two(?) games I've been scum in, I was horribly behind all of d1. I think I'm getting into terrible habits in general though

 

"I hope she's not keeping quiet because she's afraid I'm high-tuned to her scum game."

:rolleyes:

 

 

[v]Calder[/v]
Scum.

 

Too easy probably, but it crossed my mind.

This post really pinged me when I read it and the followup is "meh"....

Oh hey this isn't actually your first mafia game.

^

 

Calder's post #45 doesn't make sense to me. I don't think that post was meant as a soft defense. If we're going by Shad thinking this was your first game, I can see where it crosses a player's mind that newbies roll scum (are we looking at the same OP?) But at the same time, I'm not sure I believe that, due to your comfortability in the sign up thread or your OP. Shad is more observant than this unless he didn't really read any of it and took comfortability as a matter of course. Shad's first game was very ~odd in that he seemed more experienced that he should have been and many assumed mafia (coaching).

That being said, not sure I'm feeling the "half-hearted defense" angle that Calder takes. But this post is believable, as well as Shad's followup on post 54 (it lines up with my train of thought above about him not reading- how much merit is there to this?). His dodging posts don't do him any favors though, but I'm not sure that's within his mafia meta.

 

 

Lol. Damn phone. Response went into the quote section. So repeated below (shortened):
My issue is that it has the feel of a post that doesnt need to be made. It is game related, but says nothing and means little. So why post it if ur town?
Its the scum "hey guys im active post."

 

Interesting.  Would you expect scum to post read-related fluff right off the bat?

Feels slightly defensive, but I can see Shad saying this as town to get a read on Calder, especially now knowing he's experienced.

 

I'm probably going to regret this, but I've got Calder as reasonable town right now.  I don't hate the reasoning for his initial push against Shad at all, and his response to Shad's question wasn't wrong IMO.

 

Gutread on Shad was just barely above rand for mafia after Calder's point, and #50 sounded like he was trying too hard to appear not concerned, but #54 is plausible enough to keep him null at this point.

Clov, first sentence worries me, second confuses me, and last bit had me nodding my head along.

 

 

 

I'm probably going to regret this, but I've got Calder as reasonable town right now.  I don't hate the reasoning for his initial push against Shad at all, and his response to Shad's question wasn't wrong IMO.
 
Gutread on Shad was just barely above rand for mafia after Calder's point, and #50 sounded like he was trying too hard to appear not concerned, but #54 is plausible enough to keep him null at this point.

Not bad.

Tbh I was sort of intrigued by Shad's initial response to my vote because I didn't actually have a reason for it. His explanation in misunderstanding that Calder isn't new was plausible at the least.

Calder's push back was alright. I like that he noted Shad's +1 although I hadn't specified anything but he seems experienced enough to be able to play the POV game. His response to my vote was null but there was nothing really to respond to. I just wanted to see how he'd react early on since he's new to me.

 

 

Townie post

 

 

 

 

 

 

I literally cannot wait to watch these two interact.

YESSSSS

 

Hah.

You made 2 nonchalant posts (46 and 50), which i have been criticizing. So your post again is worthless.

Also you have only asked one significant question and i answered that you were leading and it was a WIFOM question with no answer.

Question: Can you see a villager being nonchalant about pressure in an attempt to diffuse pressure?

 

Andrej being helpful townie and preaching. Fos

I take this back reading in context. Andrej looking good ITT

 

The fact he's being helpful means ~nothing towards his alignment.  AJ is a very good player so I don't think he's incapable of making that post as mafia at all.  I think Mafia!AJ would probably WANT a bunch of early fakepeeks, since they (theoretically) would have a lower likeliness of being accurate and that helps narrow the NK poe, but I don't think he's going to come in and recommend it - especially when a handful of us recently played with him in the same setup when he waited to post a peek for accuracy reasons.  He was town, and I'm positive he's smart enough to know the sudden change of heart would stand out.

 

That being said, I don't see how it would ever warrant a FoS.  I'm giving him 0 towncred for trying to be helpful, but I don't see a reasonable argument why anybody would suspect him for being mafia for it.

Anyways... I said this post was odd because it just popped out of nowhere. My Fos was not serious, my subsequent post towards Clov about the seriousness of my post was also not serious. So, I found this post of his to be out of place because it doesn't match up with the attitude that I was presenting ITT at that point, which was something similar to exhausted playful indifference?

 

Kiv is right in #127
I only just understood Clov's post #128... I literally asked for him to decide it for me then called him out for explaining. OMG wow I'm sorry dear LOL My point above still mostly(?) stands though, maybe except for the first line

I also concede my points on Andrej that I made about his posts (p7)

#143 Shad, do you think Calder being sure you are mafia and not allowing for a town alternative is motivated by town or mafia thinking? 

#151 interesting from Zander: this would destroy the credibility that Shad just missed the Calder-talk

#157 from Shad... I think I would like this post better if you straight up answered the accusation instead of brushing it off again. You're a little sloppy this game Also, no more quote pyramids. They suck.

 

 

 

So far I like Zander, Clov, Andrej for the most part. Wary of Calder. Iffy on Shad. What I'm getting caught up with irt Shad is how he was in Pulp Fiction. It was a gut feel that he was mafia, but on the thread itself he was pretty clean. So here and now, I'm not getting that same gut feel, but it appears he's getting tripped up in the thread. Maybe things will clear up a little bit better when I read some more though?

 

I also get this weird feeling that all that's been talked about d1 is Shad. If he turns out to be our lynch and flips town, I'm going to be a little bothered that it was so easy for mafia to sit back in this exchange and let it happen. Basically, I want to see some pressure happen in other areas too :)

[Nynaeve]

Your feeling is wrong. Finish catching up.

[Nynaeve]

Town

AJ

Clov

Shad

 

Null

Hallia

Thane

Crusher

Zander

Dice

Calder

Nyn

 

Scummy

Laine

Kivam

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You know what bugs me a lot about this read list? The spread. Shad in town, Crusher in null, Laine in scum. May be something, may be nothing. I'll be keeping an eye on your read progression regardless.

 

 

Fwiw, I feel good about Clov and AJ after catching up. Clov more so. Calder kinda went a bit quiet so I'd like to know where his head is at. Will post a read list later when I'm on my laptop.

[Nolder]

Not sure I understand what it is you have a problem with...?

Is there a connection between Shad, Crusher, and Alanna I don't know about?

[Zander?]

Alright seriously 26 freaking pages!!! 

 

ok need to read up

[Zander?]

 

Hello.

 

Im Zander and I am once again in the favor of the Town Gods,

 

I am Town!!!

 

Time to hunt some wolves.

 

Hi Zander!  Laine's going to be kind of inactive.  Who will you be wrecking towns with?

 

 

im not fully caught up but this is just gross Shad.  I know you may say its a joke from Belicheat or a reaction gauge or something but it seems to be like your just trying  to throw dirt and see where it sticks..

 

FWIW- you picked the wrong target this game Shad, Im finally Town again and Im not getting mislynched.

 

GLGL

[Nynaeve]

Shad, Crusher and Alanna are in my suspect list. Alanna to a lesser extent..... I didn't like her initial posts... but she's in the middle of catching up so pending on what she brings to the table going forward.

 

My point is that the spread is just giving me a bit of an itch, is all. Standard scum read lists spread out their scummates. So I find it interesting that you have the three spread out that way. Of course, if you're scum, it means I'm wrong about one of'em.... but eh.... just think it's interesting    I'll keep it in mind once we start getting some flips.

 

 

Another thing I wanted to address 

 

First of all the "trap" was dumb in the first place. Playing "gotcha!" with the way people talk is retarded and usually goes nowhere. Secondly it seemed to me Kiv was more interested in pushing Nyn's buttons than using her to trap others and just decided on that after the fact. It makes me even more wary that he "caught" Crusher since Crusher is a notoriously hard person to lynch and someone scum would want to take down early if they could. The whole thing just left me feeling slimey on Kiv and I'd be happy to vote him off.

 

 

Maybe usually it doesn't go anywhere.. Would you really say it didn't go anywhere this time? Do you really have no issue with Crusher jumping in minutes after Kiv's push to fuel the fire? And then his OMGUS reaction to Kiv's vote based on a false accusation?

 

What you said about Kivam.... at the time, I kinda felt the same way. ie I felt that he was trying to rile me up. Of course, I don't think he could have really foreseen me reacting the way I did, cause I didn't even know that. But the fact of the matter is.... I think he could have realistically pushed it further to get me lynched if he wanted to. Instead he drew conclusions from the situation and adjusted. Why would scum do that? I mean I was as good of a lynch..... I'm not an easy lynch either. In fact, I've only ever been lynched like twice as scum. Never as town. 

 

Yes, Crusher isn't an easy lynch. Yes, if Crusher is town (which I doubt), scum would seize the opportunity. But this is a weird defense of a player that is in your null pile. I mean, if you were town reading Crusher, I'd understand more where you were coming from.... but you're not. Crusher's clout is recognized and all.... but the argument of why you find Kiv suspect and in your top scum reads falls flat, imo.

[Nynaeve]

Alright seriously 26 freaking pages!!! 

 

ok need to read up

 

Hey Zan. Feeling any better?

[Zander?]

 

Alright seriously 26 freaking pages!!! 

 

ok need to read up

 

Hey Zan. Feeling any better?

 

 

Hey Nyn starting to come around some thank you.  Hows you?

[Nynaeve]

A little more mentally stable today =)   Thanks for asking

[Zander?]

Shad that "shaking in my boots" post was pretty lame tho

 

agreed

 

 

 

Aaaand I'm done stripping for today.

 

Hope the tips were worth the loss of self respect.

 

 

 

lololololololol

 

 

 

 

 

 

Clov u still here?

 

Yeah, DM wasn't loading for me for a few minutes.

Same here. Thought my phone was my problem for awhile there.

Am i crazy for being bothered by what appears to be two attempted "nothing to see here" pivots from Shad after i said that first post was fishy? The first one could be argued to be genuine, but two in a row after my comment? Those "i'm really scared posts" have never sat well with me. Scum not wanting to engage imo. But, i want your opinion.

 

And it's odd that you single this out considering I did directly engage you in another post.  (You initially blew it off with the WIFOM comment.)  I'm getting a Kivam in Pulp Fiction vibe.  >_>

You engaged subsequent to the post that i criticized as trying to be nonchalant. So your point is incorrect.

 

But, adding attacking your attacker to the suspicious posts list is amusing.

 

 

No.  You called the 'I'm so scared' post an evasion from engagement.  I made that after your 'nonchalant' post.  And you're generally spinning all of my questions into scum reads of me instead of answering them, which was Kivam's scum tactic all through PF.

 

[v]Calder[/v]

 

Clov, talk me through this guy.

 

 

Maybe its just me and im way far behind but this kinda seems liks a reaction vote with the bolded possibly leaving Shad an out.  Anyone thoughts on this please.

[Zander?]

A little more mentally stable today =)   Thanks for asking

 

Any general thoughts on anything you wanna share while im catching up Nyn??!!

 

Also....mentally stable is vastly overrated imo.

 

Like I dont even think its a real thing here in Canada!

[The Crusher]

I copy/pasted over the rest of the quotes I had cut out to get under the MQ limit when I changed GIFs :(

 

Don't wanna go back and requote them.

 

In short - I like Clov's response to Kivam's read lists. The point he raised about Nyn's one liners being a concern when she entered the thread again this morning was a thought I had as well so that's big points for him. Clov is a green read for me. Regarding his vote for Hallia, I don't think it points to her being mafia and thus far don't have her any better than null. I would consider lynching Crusher or Shad though out of the three he listed - Crusher because I think Kivam's meta is accurate and that vote on Nyn was bad. Shad because, although I think he could be a townie, I'm not convinced and he's been a large focal point up to his part of the game so his lynch would be informative. I'm struggling to think the persistence in that argument was from a positive place and I definitely think he was the one to take it down the rabbit hole.

 

Nyn's emo is weird to me. Idk what it means about her alignment but I've never seen it before so I'm thrown off by it.

 

Crusher looks like opportunistic scum.

Oppurtunistic.  Placing a second vote on someone with a reason to do so?  Exactly what opputunity was I taken adavatage of? 

[BFG]

I'm not in this game?

 

*pouts*

Sign up next time :p

[Zander?]

[v]Shad[/v]

 

I wanted to give u some benefit of the doubt for weird posts and responses, but now your coming back at me with straight up obvious misrepresentations of our discussions from two pages ago. You make no sense to me if your town.

 

HI CALDER IM ZANDER

 

 

 

 

Andrej being helpful townie and preaching. Fos

 

I'm too tired to decide if this is a serious post - is it?

 

 

suspicious of Clov for not acknowledging my   for him.....

 

 

prolly gonna have to vote Clov if this hasnt been responded to appropriately by the time I catch up.....

[BFG]

Easy mode

 

No change

 

No change and off to work. See you at lunch (hopefully)

 

 

Official VC 1.9

Calder (1): Shad

Shad (2): Calder, Dice

Laine (1): AJ

Hallia (1): Clov

Crusher (2): Kivam, Nyn

Kivam (2): Crusher, Nolder

 

Not voting (5): Hallia, Thane, Zander, Laine, Dice

 

 

Edited in Dice's vote