Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Talya]

I hadn't noticed that, lol

 

I guess a lot of people get used to the 3 mafia games we have here

 

 

BFG :( but I like doing all the turns...I can do a fab pirouette

But Cuban is nothing but turns... and you can do the roueda (sp?) which is soooooooooooo much fun!!!

 

 

I could go for that too, I love to dance, lol. Have you seen the strictly line-up?

[Taborline]

I had thought someone said there were 3 + Loki?

[BFG]

I hadn't noticed that, lol

 

I guess a lot of people get used to the 3 mafia games we have here

Lol, something and nothing and probably has more to do with the fact that the reads I've seen are similar.

 

 

 

BFG :( but I like doing all the turns...I can do a fab pirouette

But Cuban is nothing but turns... and you can do the roueda (sp?) which is soooooooooooo much fun!!!

 

 

I could go for that too, I love to dance, lol. Have you seen the strictly line-up?

 

Not yet, I don't watch it very often

 

*hides

[Niniel]

 

 

Posted too soon. To the last quote - do you want me to vote you? Does Oci have a better role than you? Oci has been my main suspect so far and so I vote him. Might change today though.

 

 

About Oci: I looked at Tress´ chart again. A lot of people suspected Oci yesterday. It was only Celeste that townread him. But today most people don´t mention him at all. I find that strange.

Why would ask Leelou if she thought Oci had a better role than her? we don't know our roles!

 

Oci hasn't been around much today, if at all. I would like to see more of him (I always want to see more of people... :/) before I jump down that road.

That is true. Didn't think clear there.

[BFG]

I had thought someone said there were 3 + Loki?

OP says 'five filled with anticipation' inassumed that was 4 mafia, 1 third?

[BFG]

TINA!!! I missed you earlier!

 

How are things?

[Niniel]

Hi! Sleepy, I'm here just now before I go to sleep.

 

My reds are Wish/Celeste, Oci, Leelou and Verb. Sooh was close to them but I'll see what I think of you. :)

[Taborline]

BFG, these are my town reads (not in any particular order)

 

Sili and Lenlo I've felt good about since the first day, from activity levels, pushing everyone equally, it never felt like they had an agenda (which could be a major misread on my part, but for now I'm comfortable with them as town). I might not be surprised if one of them is actually Loki.

 

Tina I feel has been giving good and helpful solving posts, focussing on multiple players, providing scenarios and questioning people (like in this post, and her iSO of Oci). 

 

Lee and Talya I mainly had down from POE - with Oci and Verb feeling very scummy to me, I didn't think all four in the knot would be scum together. 

 

I like John Snow's pointed questioning and the way he reacts. He's concise, has clear reasoning and good speculation. 

 

In going back to find examples for Tress, I actually feel a bit worse about her and might bring her down to grey for the time being. I'll pull up some posts and comment them, but there are places where she feels off.

[Songstress]

@ Tab:

 

Have you and Yates discussed your reads at all?

[BFG]

Hi! Sleepy, I'm here just now before I go to sleep.

 

My reds are Wish/Celeste, Oci, Leelou and Verb. Sooh was close to them but I'll see what I think of you. :)

Why Occicat/Verb?

 

(I've read posts from you on the others)

[Taborline]

@ Tab:

 

Have you and Yates discussed your reads at all?

 

No.

[Songstress]

 

@ Tab:

 

Have you and Yates discussed your reads at all?

 

No.

 

 

Are you allowed to?

[Taborline]

Yes, but he's not been around much.

[Songstress]

Good to know.

[Talya]

 

I have literally no idea how to hunt 3P besides hoping they are somehow generically wolfy in the same way wolves are

 

Just going to sort of hope we luck into killing him at some point or the wolves do it for us

 

I would think that the 3P would lurk. It looks like Mafia and town would be best served to get rid of him, which still (imo) is more advantageous for Mafia, because it takes the attention off of them.

This caught my eye, I think this maybe where Mish is getting her idea of Wisheleste being Loki. she first says they would lurk (one thing her and Celeste aren't doing) also that it is more beneficial to Mafia if we do???

 

I read this as her trying to show why she can't be Loki, but actually maybe more of a slip, she really wants to go for Loki, and it really benefits Mafia,. If you think this then why would you want to give Mafia an advantage if you were town, by going after Loki??

 

Not sure I've said that right, too tired now.

[Kivam]

 

Vote Count

 

Leelou (1) - John Snow

WishLeste (7) - Mish, sili, Taborline, Lenlo, Leelou, Tina, Eldrick

Verbal (1) - WishLESTE

8 to Lynch

 

DEADLINE IS 8PM EASTERN ON WEDNESDAY (Circa 51 Hrs from now).

 

Feel free to end it earlier by lynch, but that gives everyone enough time to see and react to the deadline.

[John Snow]

Been afk all weekend, keeping up via email notifications. WoT inc. 

[Sili Quirrels]

1 vote huh.

[Sili Quirrels]

Mish, sili, Taborline, Lenlo, Leelou, Tina, Eldrick

[John Snow]

Mish, sili, Taborline, Lenlo, Leelou, Tina, Eldrick

 

What's with the partial reads list?

[Sili Quirrels]

Vote Count

 

Leelou (1) - John Snow

WishLeste (7) - Mish, sili, Taborline, Lenlo, Leelou, Tina, Eldrick

Verbal (1) - WishLESTE

8 to Lynch

 

DEADLINE IS 8PM EASTERN ON WEDNESDAY (Circa 51 Hrs from now).

 

Feel free to end it earlier by lynch, but that gives everyone enough time to see and react to the deadline.

Was evaluating WishLeste's wagon.

[John Snow]

Ah, *facepalm*

[John Snow]

For right now, I am going to vote: Wishleste. My instincts haven't really changed on them; the avoiding explanations, not answering questions, lots of comments that don't really say anything. I would be pretty surprised if they turned out not to be scum.

 

I hate this post. So much.

 

How about we chill on theory crafting Loki and focus on lynching? Theory crafting with no info is useless imo and only distracts.

 

Mhmm. This. 

 

 

How about we chill on theory crafting Loki and focus on lynching? Theory crafting with no info is useless imo and only distracts.

Well, we can probably ascertain tomorrow what the likelyhood is ocicat is loki based on how many are killed. if only one person dies, then likely dice targetted loki and it backfired. or if 2 ppl die then we might assume john snow is loki because celeste claims to be a rb.

 

 

Sili.....I know you're smarter than this. Or at least I feel like you are. What up?

 

The Wisest posts of RB'ing:

 

What I'm not getting is that some people refuse to answer people's posts and only pick and choose what they like answering, and they're calling Celeste out for, well, doing the same thing?

 

 

The irony. I've seen a lot of it this game. How is it this obvious and you guys aren't seeing it? I'm always super easy to lynch when I'm town.

 

I believe I'm a roleblocker of some sort because I did some research on my character. I targeted John Snow N1.

 

Remember how there were only two kills N1? One probably from town vig (who was Dice), and the other from either Loki/Mafia.

 

If I'm roleblocker, then I must have prevented a kill if both Loki and Mafia have NKs. John Snow is either Loki or Mafia.

 

This has what has been eating away at me. No one pointed that out, and it was so obvious to me. I've also been busy with friends, so I've had no time to post. RL is falling apart, and I'm kind of unstable atm, but Celeste hasn't been helping us look any more town, and I don't want to lose the ability I believe I can use for town.

 

@Sili: Earlier, I said that your posts made so much sense. I was being sarcastic. Could you read between the lines? I ISO'd you when you contradicted yourself. Are you that self-confident?

 

This post is under the assumption that a) you didn't get redirected b) Loki has a kill c) Dice used his.

 

You have 0 proof for any of those. 

 

 

 

 

What I'm not getting is that some people refuse to answer people's posts and only pick and choose what they like answering, and they're calling Celeste out for, well, doing the same thing?

 

 

The irony. I've seen a lot of it this game. How is it this obvious and you guys aren't seeing it? I'm always super easy to lynch when I'm town.

 

I believe I'm a roleblocker of some sort because I did some research on my character. I targeted John Snow N1.

 

Remember how there were only two kills N1? One probably from town vig (who was Dice), and the other from either Loki/Mafia.

 

If I'm roleblocker, then I must have prevented a kill if both Loki and Mafia have NKs. John Snow is either Loki or Mafia.

 

This has what has been eating away at me. No one pointed that out, and it was so obvious to me. I've also been busy with friends, so I've had no time to post. RL is falling apart, and I'm kind of unstable atm, but Celeste hasn't been helping us look any more town, and I don't want to lose the ability I believe I can use for town.

 

@Sili: Earlier, I said that your posts made so much sense. I was being sarcastic. Could you read between the lines? I ISO'd you when you contradicted yourself. Are you that self-confident?

WOAH WOAH WOAH

 

What? Where does this come from?

 

First how do you know your a RB? Second how can you guarantee Loki had a kill? Third how do you know your block, if you have any, went through on JS?

 

There's to many whats, to many questions, to many speculations with no barring in this post and I hate it.

 

I'm out right now, but when I get back I'll bring this up more and most likely vote uou. Just can't remember what the vote tags are right now

 

 

Excellent questions.

 

Why assume Loki has a kill?  Why does it eat at you that nobody pointed it out when it was "so obvious to you"?  It's not obvious at all in the theme here, in fact, it was pointed by others earlier that it's probably a better match with the theme for him NOT to.

 

Did I say he was Loki? I said he could either be Loki or scum.

 

I would expect for 3P to have a kill, so I was surprised when N1 there were only 2 kills.

 

In terms of balance, it would make more sense, imo.

 

1. I researched my character. It's against the rules to character claim, so I won't, but I was convinced before the end of D1 that it was a RB role. That's why I targeted John Snow, one of my scum reads.

2. I can't guarantee it, but it makes sense to me, especially after I did some research on my own character.

3. I don't know this either. I told you that this was a last minute save, and it probably won't even work. It might have been redirected.

4. I could also not have a role, but this is unlikely given the character I have.

 

 

@ point 4. I'll give you, I only know the MCU, not the comics or anything. But you know who makes a lot of sense to have a RB? Laufey. Confirmed member of the mafia team. Also the only person that you could "be certain" to have a role as. Thanks for admitting your scum and char. 

 

 

 

Slot of these Loki theories on who is who seems pretty loose imo.

 

Can someone get them in full? Like whole arguement?

Mine is pretty simple.

 

Mafia likely killed Cory, and the vig didn't target dice since Dice was the vig. What Dice was, was a commonly town read entity to a serial killer, and the serial killer might have thought to him or herself, Dice is a safe kill.

 

Or, Dice's bullet was reflected.

 

Mine is similar. A few situations are likely, but these are the ones that fit the best.

 

Scenario A: in which my roleblock worked, but was redirected.

1. Mafia killed Cory (universal town read).

2. Dice (who Cory and some others had reservations on) was shot by John Snow.

3. I was redirected to roleblock Dice instead.

 

Scenario B: in which my roleblock worked and was not redirected.

1. Mafia killed Cory.

2. Dice targeted someone else, but his bullet was reflected.

3. I roleblocked John Snow.

 

 

I don't even....

Scenario B is way more likely and proves nothing.

 

 

 

 

@lenlo Also if Loki was survivor then why does mafia and town have to get rid of them? Is that a slip that I noticed?

OMG

 

LENLO = LOKI

 

THIS PUSHING YIELDED SOME RESULTS

 

Even if I haven't done anything else helpful for town, I at least achieved this.

 

 

 

I swear I am going an aneurysm and im only 20 years old.

 

I sympathize with the above two posts so much. 

 

I think I would still enjoy being scum over town BFG. Ill have to wait until I am one and see. :P

 

Awful post. 

 

Anyway, redoing some thoughts.

 

Scum: John Snow (he's been gone for a long time and I'd like him to post. Feel like he might hammer us during the deadline. Or has he already done that? Prolly.)

BFG (even after all that kerfluffle I threw at her, she remained calm and continued to try to see a situation in which we weren't Mafia/Loki. Also, Sooh didn't look good with sheeping the thread read of Celeste/me as scum.)

Sili (yeah. I'm suspicious of him because he votes us yet sort of defends us against others by mentioning my meta. Regardless what I flip, he'll look good. Don't like that.)

Mish (really don't like her suspicions of Talya and other town. Also don't like her insisting on having her way or calling everyone who doesn't listen not town.)

 

Loki: Lenlo (cute. I don't see how Loki thing is a survivor wincon. Being the last man standing sounds like SK wincon. It would be best to have a gun to be the last man standing.)

 

the rest: town

 

 

You do realize two of your scum reads are universal town reads atm? And I'm scum because I didn't post over the weekend (like so many other people, including Verbal off the top of my head)?

[Lenlo]

Comparing yoyes elf to verb may not be yhe best idea.

[Lenlo]

I hate this small.keyboard to much.