Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Verbal32]

Don't answer that, Leelou.  >_<

[Talya]

Love you to Verb :p

[Verbal32]

<3

[Leelou]

How is my memory this bad?

*bites tongue*

[Songstress]

Okay I'll just vote whoever you guys want

 

glgl

 

Gonna have stuff to say to you later. Meanwhile, don't let the fact that two people aren't a fan of your idea stop you. Especially since you seem to find Verb suspicious. I could just be flat out wrong, it's happened more often than not.

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

 

Leaning town:

 

Cory/Key

Taborline

Talya

Snow

 

Leaning mafia:

 

Ocicat

Wish/Celeste

Leelou

 

 

 

The rest is people that I don´t have a feeling on or have mixed feelings about. I´m not good at big games so I have not focused on all players.

Not sure why some disappeared. Add Dice to town and maybe Sili.

 

This was my last list.

 

I still feel that Oci, Wish/Celeste and Leelou are scummiest so far.

 

To Cory about voting Pral or Verb: I didn´t like Pral´s list (especially not those listed as mafia) but I´m hesistant to vote him since Oci is voting him. I´m not sure if he would vote a teammate that way. I could of course be wrong about Oci but he is still the scummiest player so far.

 

If I "had to choose" between them I would pick Verbal. As some have said, he hasn´t hunted much so far.

 

 

I really like Mish´s posts today. I agree with her about Wish/Celeste. I wrote about the cloud in my head yesterday. It´s like they put that cloud in my head with their posting, posting, posting without actually saying much at all. I hope you don´t get offended, I did not mean to, because it´s great that you are playing here. But I can´t see what you really think about anything.

 

 

I sort of like Tress´ posts as well, but I´m not sure if it´s because she is town reading me or not. I often have a hard time reading her.

 

 

So new list:

Leaning town:

Cory/Key

Taborline

Talya

Snow

Dice

Mish

Maybe town:

Sili

Tress

Leaning mafia:

Ocicat

Wish/Celeste

Leelou

Where am I on any of your lists? It's like your ignoring me this game entirely, you've never once mentioned me I don't think

[Leelou]

 

 

Leaning town:

 

Cory/Key

Taborline

Talya

Snow

 

Leaning mafia:

 

Ocicat 

Wish/Celeste 

Leelou

 

 

 

The rest is people that I don´t have a feeling on or have mixed feelings about. I´m not good at big games so I have not focused on all players. 

 

Not sure why some disappeared. Add Dice to town and maybe Sili. 

 

 

 

This was my last list. 

 

I still feel that Oci, Wish/Celeste and Leelou are scummiest so far.

 

To Cory about voting Pral or Verb: I didn´t like Pral´s list (especially not those listed as mafia) but I´m hesistant to vote him since Oci is voting him. I´m not sure if he would vote a teammate that way. I could of course be wrong about Oci but he is still the scummiest player so far. 

 

If I "had to choose" between them I would pick Verbal. As some have said, he hasn´t hunted much so far. 

 

 

I really like Mish´s posts today. I agree with her about Wish/Celeste. I wrote about the cloud in my head yesterday. It´s like they put that cloud in my head with their posting, posting, posting without actually saying much at all. I hope you don´t get offended, I did not mean to, because it´s great that you are playing here. But I can´t see what you really think about anything. 

 

 

I sort of like Tress´ posts as well, but I´m not sure if it´s because she is town reading me or not. I often have a hard time reading her.

 

 

So new list:

 

Leaning town:

 

Cory/Key

Taborline

Talya

Snow

Dice

Mish

 

Maybe town:

Sili

Tress

 

Leaning mafia:

 

Ocicat 

Wish/Celeste 

Leelou

 

 

Why are you not voting me? 

[Cory Caboose]

Gonna have stuff to say to you later. 

 

*waggles eyebrows* ?

[Leelou]

Can anyone answer why Tina is not voting for her bottom scum read? I'm really confused by that. 

[Songstress]

 

 

Gonna have stuff to say to you later.

*waggles eyebrows* ?

That's always an option.

 

Game related stuff though.

[Songstress]

Can anyone answer why Tina is not voting for her bottom scum read? I'm really confused by that.

She actually said in her post that she finds Ocicat the scummiest player so far. I don't think she meant for the order of her scum list to be best to worst.

[Cory Caboose]

Who are you going to vote Tressy

[Niniel]

Lenlo - sorry, I have not been paying much attention to you either. People seem to think you are town. I will try to go through my "unknown" list when we get some results. I just can´t focus on everyone in a game as big as this.

 

 

Leelou - it´s not in order. Why did you clear Cory that easily earlier? 

[Niniel]

Going to bed, so will read that answer tomorrow. 

[Songstress]

Who are you going to vote Tressy

Haven't decided yet - i need to firm up my reads on Ocicat, Wishleste and Talya, and weigh that against some weird undercurrents.

 

I'll have a decision tonight before bed, and will set my alarm to make sure I'm up before deadline to respond to any new developments.

[Lenlo]

Lenlo - sorry, I have not been paying much attention to you either. People seem to think you are town. I will try to go through my "unknown" list when we get some results. I just can´t focus on everyone in a game as big as this.

 

 

Leelou - it´s not in order. Why did you clear Cory that easily earlier? 

Just feels like to me your refusing to engage me. Like, im one of the top 3 posters, but you dont have anything? I dunno. Kinda odd.

[Taborline]

 

@ Verb - I already explained it. She put it on record that she did not believe the mafia were able to talk for the four days between the role PM's going out and the game starting. I don't get why it would be logical to assume someone else is mafia because they did think that.

 

As for the teaming up as scum, it's true that you don't typically do that. In fact, your on-thread interactions are usually incredibly awkward when you're both mafia, and you're both well aware of it. Leelou seems to be quite sensitive about people using your on-thread interactions to read the two of you, so it's probably best if you don't try to appeal to that meta.

 

I'm not saying I am sold on you guys both being mafia, or even either of you. As I said, I need to finish rereading, and I wanted to put what I had so far out there so people can see what my current thought process looks like.

 

I assume this is about Celeste. She assumes things all the time (no parallel structure intended).

 

Interesting. We're looking at Leelou and Verb interaction to figure out who is scum?

 

Meta reads, I suppose. I think I'll stay away from this ship until one of the pair is flipped. Going to read some more posts.

 

 

 

@ Verb - I already explained it. She put it on record that she did not believe the mafia were able to talk for the four days between the role PM's going out and the game starting. I don't get why it would be logical to assume someone else is mafia because they did think that.

 

As for the teaming up as scum, it's true that you don't typically do that. In fact, your on-thread interactions are usually incredibly awkward when you're both mafia, and you're both well aware of it. Leelou seems to be quite sensitive about people using your on-thread interactions to read the two of you, so it's probably best if you don't try to appeal to that meta.

 

I'm not saying I am sold on you guys both being mafia, or even either of you. As I said, I need to finish rereading, and I wanted to put what I had so far out there so people can see what my current thought process looks like.

 

I'm not appealing to meta - I did say we are either both town or one of us is scum.  It is highly unlikely, due to that meta, that we would be this good in pulling off the Verbal/Leelou scum partners interaction.  We're both pretty ok at this game, but by god do we royally suck at being scum teammates, heh.

 

I'm leaving in the option that one of us could be scum.  It ain't me, but I don't see anything yet from Leelou to think it is her, either.  So that leaves the most likely scenario of us both being town (I'll go with that for now).

 

 

Sorry, don't understand why this isn't an appeal to meta, especially the part I underlined for you.

 

Besides that, I'll buy what you and Tress and the others say about the meta (but don't deny that it isn't meta if it is?).

 

 

The part about Celeste assuming things all the time doesn't mean much - I agree with Tress that assuming one way or the other doesn't make a person scum. Wish points out what is going on here, but decides not to engage until there's a flip, and so there's not much info here.

 

Lenlo, what do you think of Ocicat and Talya, the leading wagons?

 

Again, asking Len for reads.

 

 

 

Lenlo, what do you think of Ocicat and Talya, the leading wagons?

Talya I would rather not lynch. I dont think shes that bad. Has she been an amazing super towny? Not but not all of us can be Darthe. :P

 

Ocicat I can see why people are voting him, some of which I disagree with others I am fine with. If he got lynched I wouldnt shed a tear, I just think there are better ones today.

 

Underlined bits:

1. I don't understand the significance of that.

2. Harsh. But I getchu. I might leave some flowers, though. :'D I'll go look over his posts and interactions with Celeste to see if I can find what Talya was talking about.

3. Who?

 

 

Still anti-Ocicat, asking for Len's options.

 

 

Darthe is a funny guy. Youll play with him sometime. Cory can fill you in.

 

Eldrick obv. Then either Tina or Pral, pref Tina from that group.

 

I say those two cause atm I think getting rid of the inactives couldnt hurt, but at the same time I would like to get some kind of information from the day. So I am preferring Tina over Pral

I was in the last game with him... lol. He died.

 

I'm not sure if I agree with you in getting rid of the inactives. (i.e.: me, Taborline, Pral, and others (?)). First of all, they haven't been able to prove their merit if you kill them off. Like now that I have time, I am posting. Secondly, it's like a rand kill, since you don't have enough content to determine alignment. I don't like it.

 

Not sure why Tina? Could you explain?

 

 

This is fine, and I agree, I'm generally not a fan of killing off inactives, though there's normally certainly some scum there. More asking Len for reads.

 

 

I can make sense of Talya being town now, so that's good, I guess... from a certain perspective.

 

[v]Verbal[/v]

 

Horrible horrible horrible outrageously bad posts, I saw. My current best guess for scum.

 

Loki candidates:

Eldrick, Talya, Ocicat.

Wait, what? Explain these bolded parts...?

 

Do you think that Talya is town, or do you think she is Loki?

 

 

I do like that Wish is asking questions of Len here, like here in having Tal as Town and as Loki, and not just agreeing with everything.

 

 

And you guys know how much I hate writing long posts so I beg you, please read it and think about what I am saying.

 

WHO ARE THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING?

 

Who ACTUALLY GIVES A DAMN about who is being lynched today?

1. People who are actually doing something could be town, could be scum trying to save their teammates.

2. Same answer to #1. But I think that I care, you care, Sili cares, Lenlo cares, and anyone else who's shown up cares.

 

 

Nothing to go on here, really. 

 

 

 

1. People who are actually doing something could be town, could be scum trying to save their teammates.

2. Same answer to #1. But I think that I care, you care, Sili cares, Lenlo cares, and anyone else who's shown up cares.

 

1. This is the funny thing about watching DM game; I remember Star Wars in particular when Leelou was scum godfather and got lynched on day 1. She had three teammates. She got lynched by one vote IIRC.

 

Her teammates? Every single one of them?

 

Not voting.

 

AFAICT I've been pretty much the only one defending most of the wagoned people I think are villagers, so I don't see anyone "trying to save a teammate" anywhere. I would guess we've been wagoning mostly villagers and if we've hit a wolf somewhere they probably haven't cared.

 

Woah what?

That's terrible. Apathy.

:/ I'd at least want scum to try to save their own. It makes it boring if it's an easy win.

 

 

Again, not much.

 

Eyy btw, I'm going to go with my (paint) color theory for doing the mafia/town/3P sliding scale thingy.

 

Town----------------------------------------------------------------------Null-------------------------------------------------Mafia------------------------------------------------------Loki

 

Moi/Celeste, Lenlo, Key/Cory, Sooh, Tress, Sili, Leelou, Tina, Dice, Talya, Verbal, Mish, Pral, Tabor, Jon Snow, Ocicat, Eldrick, ??? (possibly Jon Snow, Pral, Mish, Talya? suspect lurkers of being Loki.)

 

I'm glad to see your list, but I really want to know more about how you came about these theories. Like with Celeste, a lot of what I'm getting from you is picking a person you think is town, and asking them questions. You do it again a little later, here. There's nothing completely wrong about that, especially as I think you're a newer player too, but I want to see some of your thought processes.

 

What do you like about Sooh and Tress? 

[Taborline]

And I think that's all the in depth ISO I have in me today. 

[Taborline]

At the moment, I am probably feeling

 

1 Songstress

2 TinaHel

3 Leelou 

4 Verbal

5 Keyboose [keyholder/cory hydra]

6 Dicetosser

7 Eldrick

8 Taborline (mentored by Yates)

9 Sili

10 Lenlo

11 Mish

12 Pral

13 Talya

14 Jon Snow

15 Ocicat

16 Wishleste [wishtree/celeste hydra]

17 Sooh

 

I think I've moved to this:

 

1 Songstress

2 TinaHel

3 Leelou 

4 Verbal

5 Keyboose [keyholder/cory hydra]

6 Dicetosser

7 Eldrick

8 Taborline (mentored by Yates)

9 Sili

10 Lenlo

11 Mish

12 Pral

13 Talya

14 Jon Snow

15 Ocicat

16 Wishleste [wishtree/celeste hydra]

17 Sooh

[Lenlo]

 

 

I can make sense of Talya being town now, so that's good, I guess... from a certain perspective.

 

[v]Verbal[/v]

 

Horrible horrible horrible outrageously bad posts, I saw. My current best guess for scum.

 

Loki candidates:

Eldrick, Talya, Ocicat.

Wait, what? Explain these bolded parts...?

 

Do you think that Talya is town, or do you think she is Loki?

 

 

I do like that Wish is asking questions of Len here, like here in having Tal as Town and as Loki, and not just agreeing with everything.

 

Thats not me shes questioning, thats Sili

[Cory Caboose]

 

At the moment, I am probably feeling

 

1 Songstress

2 TinaHel

3 Leelou 

4 Verbal

5 Keyboose [keyholder/cory hydra]

6 Dicetosser

7 Eldrick

8 Taborline (mentored by Yates)

9 Sili

10 Lenlo

11 Mish

12 Pral

13 Talya

14 Jon Snow

15 Ocicat

16 Wishleste [wishtree/celeste hydra]

17 Sooh

 

I think I've moved to this:

 

1 Songstress

2 TinaHel

3 Leelou 

4 Verbal

5 Keyboose [keyholder/cory hydra]

6 Dicetosser

7 Eldrick

8 Taborline (mentored by Yates)

9 Sili

10 Lenlo

11 Mish

12 Pral

13 Talya

14 Jon Snow

15 Ocicat

16 Wishleste [wishtree/celeste hydra]

17 Sooh

 

 

I think it's kind of amazing you don't have a read on me.

[Taborline]

Sodding eyeballs, thank you, Lenlo.

[Taborline]

 

 

At the moment, I am probably feeling

 

1 Songstress

2 TinaHel

3 Leelou 

4 Verbal

5 Keyboose [keyholder/cory hydra]

6 Dicetosser

7 Eldrick

8 Taborline (mentored by Yates)

9 Sili

10 Lenlo

11 Mish

12 Pral

13 Talya

14 Jon Snow

15 Ocicat

16 Wishleste [wishtree/celeste hydra]

17 Sooh

 

I think I've moved to this:

 

1 Songstress

2 TinaHel

3 Leelou 

4 Verbal

5 Keyboose [keyholder/cory hydra]

6 Dicetosser

7 Eldrick

8 Taborline (mentored by Yates)

9 Sili

10 Lenlo

11 Mish

12 Pral

13 Talya

14 Jon Snow

15 Ocicat

16 Wishleste [wishtree/celeste hydra]

17 Sooh

 

 

I think it's kind of amazing you don't have a read on me.

 

 

I almost greened you just now, but I find you a bit wild.

[Leelou]

Lenlo - sorry, I have not been paying much attention to you either. People seem to think you are town. I will try to go through my "unknown" list when we get some results. I just can´t focus on everyone in a game as big as this.

 

 

Leelou - it´s not in order. Why did you clear Cory that easily earlier?

Because I figured out how to read him.

[Cory Caboose]

I'll take wild.