Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Verbal32]

I have like an encyclopedic memory of the way people play in Mafia games

 

I do not remember what I ate for breakfast

 

Such is life.

 

That part we have in common.  I used to remember stuff like you re: mafia, but I don't care as much anymore.  You're like a younger, less ruggedly handsome version of myself, but better at internet argument games.  That might be why we clashed so much initially, heh.  Either way, my offer stands - either mislynch me or get out of my way and let me get into this game.

[Verbal32]

 

 

Why do I keep having this feeling that no-one actually reads my posts?

 

 

 

 

 

 

The more I think about it, the worse I feel about Oci and Wisheste. In hindsight Celeste randomly calling me out feels weird... It wouldn't have bothered me if it was a player that was used to playing with me. But I'd already reminded people in the thread I wasn't gonna be on my normal activity this weekend. Makes it seem like she didn't really read my post. It was weird. That combined with she trying to make it seem like I said something I didn't... I feel very uncomfortable about her now.

 

Then with Oci several times linking me and Celeste, and him defending them, it makes it seem to me like they are mafia together, and he's setting me up to look bad if they get lynched.

 

I will refer you to the post Tina's already made instead of pulling the same quotes: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/95348-ragnarok-game-thread-d1/?p=3538339

 

This does not read like town and town to me. It's either mafia buddies, or one mafia one Loki. But I'm thinking buddies.

 

Oci is the one that makes me feel most iffy for trying to tie me and Celeste together like that, so that's where my vote will go atm. But I'm more than willing to switch to Wisheste too.

 

[v] Oci[/v]

???

If we're scum buddies <3 (Oci and Celeste/moi), then why would you look bad if we get lynched? Wouldn't it give you town credit if you flip us and we're scum?

 

Also, hola. First day of classes over. I got some blisters from wearing slightly uncomfortable shoes. :/

 

Celeste has mod duties elsewhere, so it's my job to post atm. Sorry for being MIA. RL, etc.

 

 

If you are scum buddies, and one of you get lynched, it might look like I'm a team member with you. It won't now, because I've called you out on it. But if Tina hadn't drawn my attention to it, it would've looked quite bad.

 

Why aren't you worried about the fact that Oci is trying very hard to link us?

 

 

*snipped*

 

Also Celeste: I would prefer if you went back and figured out wich post you tried to say it was me who had made. I don't like that you don't double check your facts before stating someone said something. It doesn't sit well with me that you tried to shove an opinion on me I never made.

I thought it was you and with no post quote system here it makes it harder to look for facts. I will try and find it but it's going to take me a while. 

 

 

Why aren't you worried about the fact that Oci is trying to link us? In fact, why aren't you aknowledging my post at all?

 

 

 

Lynching wolves > Lynching villagers for "information"

 

I mean Ocicat COULD be a wolf and I am in no way saying he is a villager but I think he's = rand at worst and we'd mostly be lynching him because we don't understand him.

 

I want to lynch Pral or Verbal today.

 

I read your post, and I agree with parts, although not when it comes to Pral (i make a point about that later in my post). But I'm honestly more concerned with those people who actually do things badly than those that do nothing today.

 

 

Eyy btw, I'm going to go with my (paint) color theory for doing the mafia/town/3P sliding scale thingy.

 

Town----------------------------------------------------------------------Null-------------------------------------------------Mafia------------------------------------------------------Loki

 

Moi/Celeste, Lenlo, Key/Cory, Sooh, Tress, Sili, Leelou, Tina, Dice, Talya, Verbal, Mish, Pral, Tabor, Jon Snow, Ocicat, Eldrick, ??? (possibly Jon Snow, Pral, Mish, Talya? suspect lurkers of being Loki.)

 

I too wish you would have marked where each group ended. I would like to know why I'm suddenly in your bottom pile when I don't think you've even mentioned a read on me so far.

 

 

I have literally no idea how to hunt 3P besides hoping they are somehow generically wolfy in the same way wolves are

 

Just going to sort of hope we luck into killing him at some point or the wolves do it for us

I would think that the 3P would lurk. It looks like Mafia and town would be best served to get rid of him, which still (imo) is more advantageous for Mafia, because it takes the attention off of them.

 

 

A page or two before this you said you thought it was a bad idea to lurk inactives, and yet here you are planting the seed that Loki is amongst the inactives. Very handy considering the fact that you've now spammed enough to not be considered an inactive anymore.

 

 

Vote Pral with me.

I was coming to that anyway, although I hope this doesn't just stay as a tie. Vote: Pralya

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And to summarize what I was trying to post, Sooh, yes, that was a polished and crafted post, it was a defense against a valid point, not a free-flowing thought. Eldrick, I don't know any more than anyone else. Everyone knows their alignment. My point was that I couldn't defend my careless slip, but going after me would be an error.

 

 

And you neither aknowledge my post...

 

FYI: Ignoring me is just gonna make me all the more determined to shake answers out of you.

 

 

 

 

My issue with him is I have trouble not seeing him as town alot of the time. 

 

This doesn't sound like an issue to me

 

Tip to reading Cory: read him town, he's earned it

 

(I am 100% a villager this game for all you paranoid patricias, but tinfoil on so I can put you on my dartboard of people who've lost faith)

 

 

Im sold that cory is not MAFIA.  He does have Loki possibilities but I still think he is town

 

 

Vote Pral with me.

I was coming to that anyway, although I hope this doesn't just stay as a tie. Vote: Pralya

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And to summarize what I was trying to post, Sooh, yes, that was a polished and crafted post, it was a defense against a valid point, not a free-flowing thought. Eldrick, I don't know any more than anyone else. Everyone knows their alignment. My point was that I couldn't defend my careless slip, but going after me would be an error.

 

 

WHY ?

 

 

Why? Because a lynch is better than none. We could wait for a damning case and lose phases while the scum kill, or we could lynch someone that has suspicion on them. Pral has suspicion on him, it's a wagon I can see getting traction before the phase ends, and someone I actually townread is in favor of lynching him.  And now, his lack of response to being called out for being inactive hurt his case further. There was no attempt to show he'd be around when he might be needed later.

 

 

I don't understand those saying that Pral being here to read the thread but not answering is scummy... If he read the thread, he'd know he was getting heat. If he's not worried about looking bad, he won't be rushing to post. I say it's more a +town point in his favour that he wasn't rushing in to post.

 

Time to shower and go to class. Byeee

 

You answer several other posts, but refuse to do as Talya asked and define where your nulls ended and your scum reads began.

 

 

 

 

 

If no-one else can see how it's scummy that neither Wish or Celeste is worried about Oci's linking, Celeste's refusal to even aknowledge it, Wish' "lynching inactives are bad" turning into "we should look into inactives for Loki" after she's posted like crazy so that she couldn't be considered in inactive...

 

Cory said he wanted it answered who did anything. Wisheste has not done anything. Their reads are vague and contradictory, and the "my hydra partner is not being cooperate"-line is thin (and I used that exact one in TUS even though it wasn't true, to garner sympathy for my slot, so I do not trust it at all).

 

[unvote] [v]Wisheste[/v]

 

While I think you have a point in your issue with wishleste, how does them doing nothing garner a vote when you said you're more interested in people that do bad things?  Is the bold red essentially the bad thing, and therefore they have done something, albeit bad?  I'm following your issue, but not how you navigate through the blue bold (and the red) to arrive at a vote on them specifically.

 

 

Let me rephrase that to: Wisheste has done nothing helpful/positive. But they have done things badly. Makes more sense?

 

(I spoilered the parts of my quote not related to your question because Im on mobile and can't deal with cutting down the quote right now)

 

 

Yes it does, thanks.  I figured that, but wanted you to explain it to me anyway.  People read your posts, so you should stop assuming they don't.  ;-)

[Talya]

 

 

Yet you do not comment on them or take them into consideration :( I dunno. I feel like the Oci/Wisheste situation was pretty important but not a single soul has commented on it.

 

 

I have 16 other slots to juggle, 2 of which I'm pretty sure are wolves

 

Your considerations are noted and I'll look it over again

 

What part of "I haven't begun really playing" is somehow unclear for you?  I'm trying to dig in after the weekend 30 page explosion - yesterday was just me catching (kinda) and having to defend myself a bit.  I'm not going to spend my time in this game constantly defending myself.  Either mislynch me today and be done with it, or give me breathing room to warm up.

 

 

You have only two votes and a day before deadline, plenty of breathing room. How about talking about the game that has happened rather than what you are going to do.

 

 

 

Anyway back to the game... ISO'd Mish Mish, do you have any further reads from your last one (nearly two days ago). Do you still feel the same for those you thought town? Who do you have now in your scum pile? I also had a quick look at Celeste and Wish - All they have done is fluff posts, also asked questions but more to the general about if that's normal of people. Wish a coupld of times asks for thoughts, but they don't seem to go back to anything. They haven't given any indication of who they think is town and who isn't, nor any game solving. The only time is when they try to push Eld could be Loki, because of his question. not feeling good about this slot. @Celeste/Wish - you said you were going to look at Lenlo - what did you find. What are your current reads?

Then this post from Talya stood out. Out of the blue she starts ISOing Mish. Talya had not talked about Mish before nor had she done detailed ISO on others. This was just from nowhere. I can see why she would look at Celeste - Celeste had a vote on Talya. But, why Mish? Especially combined with what I saw earlier, it doesn't look like a co-incidence.Agreed that reads being same does not mean anything. But, not when combined with other things.

If you read my posts, I voted Len and so did, JS and Mish, I had seen JS and had liked his posts so checked on Mish. I said to Len I would look at them and he said to look at it.

[Eldrick4221]

My wolves are probably correct.

 

I get at this point that nobody cares about actually listening to my reads until post-game or after I die or whatever

 

But I'm here now and telling you I think I'm 2/2

 

So, uh, keep ignoring them and voting other people instead

Not ignoring them. Taking your points into consideration. I'm pretty much convinced you're town at this point, and a strong player to boot.

[Cory Caboose]

either mislynch me or get out of my way and let me get into this game.

 

I'm going to sit back for a bit, so no worries

[michellem]

Hey Pral, are you gonna back up that read with a vote?

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

I've given it some thought, and I'm not wtl wishleste anymore. I don't think they're scummy. I think that their disjointed hydra view is unhelpful. That's not a reason to lynch.

What about the points I brought up against them? What do you think about those?

I am still due for a reread. I didn't notice everything or everyone. I didn't see what you did. What you said makes sense, but I need to go back and make the call for myself.

 

As I stated earlier, I'm not feeling well. I'm doing what I can to read everything the first time. I've been spending a lot of time today resting and wishing my sore throat would go away.

[Leelou]

 

Like this gets under my skin

 

Leelou is not "gunning for inactives", she voted you specifically because I asked for someone to join me on the wagon

 

Really the vast majority of her play this game was her conversation with me/Talya

 

I don't feel like you're seriously considering your reads at all

Not in this game. Town Leelou more or less always votes me D1 with comments on my activity. It is a running meta on her now.

 

 

Is not. 

[Cory Caboose]

I have things I need to deal with today anyway

If someone could go ahead and take over for a bit I would appreciate that immensely

[michellem]

Doing my best Corylove.

 

 

Feel better, Eld. My posts about Wisheste is a page or two back.

[wish-tree]

Why do I keep having this feeling that no-one actually reads my posts? 

 

 

The more I think about it, the worse I feel about Oci and Wisheste. In hindsight Celeste randomly calling me out feels weird... It wouldn't have bothered me if it was a player that was used to playing with me. But I'd already reminded people in the thread I wasn't gonna be on my normal activity this weekend. Makes it seem like she didn't really read my post. It was weird. That combined with she trying to make it seem like I said something I didn't... I feel very uncomfortable about her now.

 

-Take that up with her, yo. I'm not going to attempt to defend her.

 

Then with Oci several times linking me and Celeste, and him defending them, it makes it seem to me like they are mafia together, and he's setting me up to look bad if they get lynched.

 

I will refer you to the post Tina's already made instead of pulling the same quotes: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/95348-ragnarok-game-thread-d1/?p=3538339

 

This does not read like town and town to me. It's either mafia buddies, or one mafia one Loki. But I'm thinking buddies.

 

Oci is the one that makes me feel most iffy for trying to tie me and Celeste together like that, so that's where my vote will go atm. But I'm more than willing to switch to Wisheste too.

 

[v] Oci[/v]

 

???

If we're scum buddies <3 (Oci and Celeste/moi), then why would you look bad if we get lynched? Wouldn't it give you town credit if you flip us and we're scum?

 

Also, hola. First day of classes over. I got some blisters from wearing slightly uncomfortable shoes. :/

 

Celeste has mod duties elsewhere, so it's my job to post atm. Sorry for being MIA. RL, etc.

 

If you are scum buddies, and one of you get lynched, it might look like I'm a team member with you. It won't now, because I've called you out on it. But if Tina hadn't drawn my attention to it, it would've looked quite bad.

 

Why aren't you worried about the fact that Oci is trying very hard to link us?

 

--I'm not worried because I know I'm town, and I'll defend myself if I have to. Atm, you and Ocicat are scummier than Celeste and I, so I'm not concerned at all. Targeting us for being disjointed/Celeste not explaining herself well is none of my concern. I have no ties to Ocicat, even if, as you said, he is defending us. I don't think he was trying to explicitly defend us. If I were someone else, I'd defend anyone who I thought had legitimate reasons for acting the way they do.

 

 

*snipped*

 

Also Celeste: I would prefer if you went back and figured out wich post you tried to say it was me who had made. I don't like that you don't double check your facts before stating someone said something. It doesn't sit well with me that you tried to shove an opinion on me I never made.

 

I thought it was you and with no post quote system here it makes it harder to look for facts. I will try and find it but it's going to take me a while.

 

Why aren't you worried about the fact that Oci is trying to link us? In fact, why aren't you aknowledging my post at all?

 

-She replied to it? Lol

 

Lynching wolves > Lynching villagers for "information"

I mean Ocicat COULD be a wolf and I am in no way saying he is a villager but I think he's = rand at worst and we'd mostly be lynching him because we don't understand him.

I want to lynch Pral or Verbal today.

 

 

I read your post, and I agree with parts, although not when it comes to Pral (i make a point about that later in my post). But I'm honestly more concerned with those people who actually do things badly than those that do nothing today.

 

 

Eyy btw, I'm going to go with my (paint) color theory for doing the mafia/town/3P sliding scale thingy.

 

Town----------------------------------------------------------------------Null-------------------------------------------------Mafia------------------------------------------------------Loki

 

Moi/Celeste, Lenlo, Key/Cory, Sooh, Tress, Sili, Leelou, Tina, Dice, Talya, Verbal, Mish, Pral, Tabor, Jon Snow, Ocicat, Eldrick, ??? (possibly Jon Snow, Pral, Mish, Talya? suspect lurkers of being Loki.)

 

 

I too wish you would have marked where each group ended. I would like to know why I'm suddenly in your bottom pile when I don't think you've even mentioned a read on me so far.

 

-lolwut. You were in my null pile, but closer to scummy than someone like Dice or Talya. I found it odd how you cleared us that easily (saying how Celeste is more on, and I'm more relaxed).

 

 

I have literally no idea how to hunt 3P besides hoping they are somehow generically wolfy in the same way wolves are

 

Just going to sort of hope we luck into killing him at some point or the wolves do it for us

 

I would think that the 3P would lurk. It looks like Mafia and town would be best served to get rid of him, which still (imo) is more advantageous for Mafia, because it takes the attention off of them.

 

A page or two before this you said you thought it was a bad idea to lurk inactives, and yet here you are planting the seed that Loki is amongst the inactives. Very handy considering the fact that you've now spammed enough to not be considered an inactive anymore.

 

-Are you saying that I'm also a Loki candidate? I'll take that. :3

Could be, but do you know the truth of my alignment? Nope! Only Celeste and I do (and Kivam, ldo).

 

 

Vote Pral with me.

 

I was coming to that anyway, although I hope this doesn't just stay as a tie. Vote: Pralya

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And to summarize what I was trying to post, Sooh, yes, that was a polished and crafted post, it was a defense against a valid point, not a free-flowing thought. Eldrick, I don't know any more than anyone else. Everyone knows their alignment. My point was that I couldn't defend my careless slip, but going after me would be an error.

 

And you neither aknowledge my post...

 

FYI: Ignoring me is just gonna make me all the more determined to shake answers out of you.

 

 

 

 

My issue with him is I have trouble not seeing him as town alot of the time. 

 

 

This doesn't sound like an issue to me

 

Tip to reading Cory: read him town, he's earned it

 

(I am 100% a villager this game for all you paranoid patricias, but tinfoil on so I can put you on my dartboard of people who've lost faith)

 

Im sold that cory is not MAFIA.  He does have Loki possibilities but I still think he is town

 

 

Vote Pral with me.

 

I was coming to that anyway, although I hope this doesn't just stay as a tie. Vote: Pralya

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And to summarize what I was trying to post, Sooh, yes, that was a polished and crafted post, it was a defense against a valid point, not a free-flowing thought. Eldrick, I don't know any more than anyone else. Everyone knows their alignment. My point was that I couldn't defend my careless slip, but going after me would be an error.

 

WHY ?

 

Why? Because a lynch is better than none. We could wait for a damning case and lose phases while the scum kill, or we could lynch someone that has suspicion on them. Pral has suspicion on him, it's a wagon I can see getting traction before the phase ends, and someone I actually townread is in favor of lynching him.  And now, his lack of response to being called out for being inactive hurt his case further. There was no attempt to show he'd be around when he might be needed later.

 

I don't understand those saying that Pral being here to read the thread but not answering is scummy... If he read the thread, he'd know he was getting heat. If he's not worried about looking bad, he won't be rushing to post. I say it's more a +town point in his favour that he wasn't rushing in to post.

 

Time to shower and go to class. Byeee

 

 

You answer several other posts, but refuse to do as Talya asked and define where your nulls ended and your scum reads began.

 

 

-excuse me? I actually did have to go to class and shower. Answering the Talya post would have taken more time to type out, and atm, I actually value my education. Please do not bring real life meta into this. If I say that I have RL things to do, I do. Don't question it.

 

If no-one else can see how it's scummy that neither Wish or Celeste is worried about Oci's linking, Celeste's refusal to even aknowledge it, Wish' "lynching inactives are bad" turning into "we should look into inactives for Loki" after she's posted like crazy so that she couldn't be considered in inactive...

 

-Sigh. I don't want to lynch inactives (possible Loki candidates) because atm Loki prevents scum from being able to focus on taking town out. I want to lynch Mafia first. Is that a problem?

 

Cory said he wanted it answered who did anything. Wisheste has not done anything. Their reads are vague and contradictory, and the "my hydra partner is not being cooperate"-line is thin (and I used that exact one in TUS even though it wasn't true, to garner sympathy for my slot, so I do not trust it at all).

 

[unvote] [v]Wisheste[/v]

[wish-tree]

Gotta go to class. Ldo.

[Sooh]

Wow... that was a long read. I've been reading a page here and there at work today, but still I had to read the final 5 pages just now.

 

After Pral's re-entry to the thread I feel as though the votes on him are probably warranted. I was not a fan of the reads list at all. 

 

[v]Pralaya[/v]

[Kivam]

VOTE COUNT

Eldrick (2) - Lenlo, WISHLeste
Ocicat (3) - Tina, Dice, Eldrick
Pral (4) - KeyBOOSE, Leelou, Ocicat, Sooh
Verbal (2) - Sili, Talya

WishLeste (1) - Mish
 
Not voting (5): Songstress,  Verbal, Taborline, Pralaya, John Snow

9 to lynch

DEADLINE IS NOON EASTERN (GMT - 4) ON WEDNESDAY. No Majority = No lynch
 

[Sooh]

Kivam? I voted Pral, not Ocicat.

[Taborline]

ISO of Celeste first.

 

She starts off with lots of fluff/saying hi to people, all fine. Places a joke vote on Sooh as Sooh is "feisty" when she's mafia.

 

This is Celeste's first game related post:

 

@john snow Can the fluff that Sili's doing now really be a good tell for him? I have only seen him as mafia but I wouldn't be so quick to call him scum because of those posts.

 

followed by an Unvote of Sooh. All null so far.

 

 

So serious chats:

 

One thing that's been rattling in my brain the last few days is the effect of the four-day lead up going into the game. IE the mafia group have had ample preparation time and may be more co-ordinated than your average group being thrown into the fire. Whether or not they would use that preparation time to actually develop either a strategy or direct efforts into getting past the radar of specific players is a question as well, because they might have just said "hi" and slithered away and not really cared.

 

But considering this game seems relatively scum-sided in the first place, it's just something to think about. I've been thinking a lot about Sili's entrance in particular, as per what I know about what he believes his villager tells are and what he thinks a player like me would look for.

 

This isn't anything even realistically helpful but as per usual standard if you are a villager I'd love you see you being super villagery so I have less to figure out. tyty

I'm not sure about this site but on my site if we had to wait 4 days for the thread to come up and roles were already sent the mod would say no game chat so it remains fair.

 

 

Null response to the question of preparation time.

 

 

So much spam. 

Everybody can answer Cory's question. I think it's a good one.

 

 

Still null (Cory's question was this post regarding opinions on the prep time).

 

I don't think scum would pre chat if it was open for 4 days. Then again i'm not sure how Kiv mods.

 

Repeating something she already stated above.

 

Does Eld usually ask questions like these?

 

Again, pretty innocent line of questioning based on meta with regard to Eld's Loki win-con question.

 

 

 

Does Eld usually ask questions like these?

 

Unfortunately, yes. He does it as either alignment. 

 

If he does that as both alignments then I don't get the two votes on him atm. It's like he is just a scummy person in general.

 

 

More reading based on meta, not really telling.

 

 

Let's break down Ocicat's progress.

 

1. Comes on around 11:33pm. A bit of fluff.

2.  1 hour later snow jokes about modkilling a player that isn't on the roster.

3. Ocicat is lurking therefore he sees it right away and responds:

 

 

I don't know about norms and what's off for people here, but making judgments about that already feels off to me.

 

PLS LINK ME TO SPEC THREAD KIVAM THANK YOU

 

MODSMODSMODSMODS

 

He edited his post. Modkill him. 

 

 

And I'll assume this is a joke, but kinda aggressive, no?

Vote: John Snow

 

4. He knows he should engage in the game at this point. Therefore his first game related post is very flaccid and forced. He makes no attempt to read anyone else. He construes an uninformative post as meaningful in order to make content. I insist that there were other posts to pick a part.

5. He goes away/to sleep after making one game related post. He has not been on since. If the above fos directed at snow was in fact a meta-vote, then two questions: 1. why didn't he meta-vote someone over a better reason in the first hour of play; 2, why hasn't he followed up in the last 15 hours?

I have played with Ocicat before and he comes in with points but posts when he has things to say. It's easier to tell his alignment when you put pressure on him.

 

 

Being helpful, again concentrating on meta information.

 

 

 

Let's break down Ocicat's progress.

 

1. Comes on around 11:33pm. A bit of fluff.

2.  1 hour later snow jokes about modkilling a player that isn't on the roster.

3. Ocicat is lurking therefore he sees it right away and responds:

 

 

I don't know about norms and what's off for people here, but making judgments about that already feels off to me.

 

PLS LINK ME TO SPEC THREAD KIVAM THANK YOU

 

MODSMODSMODSMODS

 

He edited his post. Modkill him. 

 

 

And I'll assume this is a joke, but kinda aggressive, no?

Vote: John Snow

 

4. He knows he should engage in the game at this point. Therefore his first game related post is very flaccid and forced. He makes no attempt to read anyone else. He construes an uninformative post as meaningful in order to make content. I insist that there were other posts to pick a part.

5. He goes away/to sleep after making one game related post. He has not been on since. If the above fos directed at snow was in fact a meta-vote, then two questions: 1. why didn't he meta-vote someone over a better reason in the first hour of play; 2, why hasn't he followed up in the last 15 hours?

I have played with Ocicat before and he comes in with points but posts when he has things to say. It's easier to tell his alignment when you put pressure on him.

 

In regards to number 5, there is a lot to comment on at present.

 

He possibly doesn't think that it is something he can comment on. It's weird and selective a bit but I agree that he should post more.

 

 

This is the first really questionable thing I see with Celeste. There's a lot of blank/null statements which don't leave anyone much to go on, and then two little defenses of Ocicat. There is something in the phrasing of "He possibly doesn't think..." that I find awkward. Why not just say "I agree, he should post more" instead of putting yourself in his shoes.

[Songstress]

 

Cory - post 475 - "I generally play close to the chest"

 

You remember that thing I said to AJ in House of Cards about volition?

 

I find it pretty crazy that nobody realizes that I usually am 1000% more involved on the second half of d1 than the first in like every game I ever play. I like to see what people do of their own volition when a game starts, the "bully people into reactions early" element of my game is pretty much gone entirely because I don't think it's ever really helped me catch wolves

 

I don't have your photographic memory of every mafia game ever played, darlin'

 

I'm still figuring out how to read you, and I've come to the conclusion that I'm never going to know your alignment D1.  

[Kivam]

Kivam? I voted Pral, not Ocicat.

So u did

[Taborline]

Celeste, pt 2.

 

 

*snipped*

 

@Celeste: this is a bit tmi on your part. why are you defending ocicat from fair prosecution? in your mind his lurking is null? but I have fos'd him severely since last night. and in comparison to john snow's post there is definitely a lot else to talk about if he was so inclined.

Trying to understand your points with what I know. 

 

 

I'm not quite sure what she means here.

 

 

@Celeste - if it's easier to tell his alignment when he's pressured, why would you give him an out right now vs. Putting more pressure on him?

Sometimes I realize what I say after I say it.  I am also trying to read Sili.

 

 

Why not do both?

 

 

Possibly. Didnt sound like she cared about your alignment though.

I was just bringing up meta. It's weird that you said the bolded though. Why are you saying that?

 

 

A fair question; I found Sili's phrasing confusing, as well. Sili says it's just testing for reactions.

 

@Mish Have you caught up yet? If so what are your thoughts?

 

Asks for another player's opinions.

 

 

 

How experienced are wishtree, celeste, and Ocicat?

I want to make the following bets.
 
Wishtree: 10-30 games
Celeste: 10 games
Ocicat: 10 games

I actually have more games under my belt then wish. Also my thoughts are all over the place usually.

 

 

Another null comment, for the most part. Maybe excusing the lack of real reads so far, but I don't know if it is true that this is how she normally plays.

 

 

 

@Mish Have you caught up yet? If so what are your thoughts?

 
This was 7am my time (GMT+1). I am not awake at 7am. Expect me at 1pm my time at the earliest. Yes, I sleep until noon. Chronically ill. Did I get a good nights sleep tonight? Nope >.< pains kept me awake until like 5 in the morning. Fibro is FUN guys :D :P
 
 
 
Caught up now. Thoughts. Yes. I have some.
 
I don't feel good about Len. His ISO on Talya and posting post counts and such feels like trying to look helpful and engaged and like he's #solving, instead of having to add actual content.
I'm liking Lee, Cory and Sili.
My first game with Eld and Oci, so they are hard for me to read at this point.
JS feels relaxed, wich is a good thing.
Also feeling good about Wisheste, Celeste seems more "on" and Wish more relaxed than TUS.
 
Yep, that's it for now.
 
 
[v] Len [/v]

Thank you. I will look at Lenlo more then.

 

 

Says she'll look at Lenlo, which is fine based on Mish's vote.

 

Also with what Mish pointed out with the Verbal/Tayla/Leelou chat it looks odd to be but I can't quite but my finger on it.

 

Vague comment with regard to Mish's post.

 

@Tress What are your thoughts if you haven't said them?

 

More asking opinions of other players.

 

[v]Tayla[/v] It's a gut vibe mostly. 

 

Really vague vote, still based on meta, which is pretty unhelpful. Also, you said you were going to look at Lenlo, what did you find there? Did Lenlo's case about Verb/Tal/Lee give you any ideas?

[Taborline]

I will post my reads tomorrow.

 

Please do! I need to now go read Wish.

[wish-tree]

Glgl

[Taborline]

Glgl

 

Starting here

[Ocicat]

I'm currently waiting for class to start, but I have a bit of time to note nobody else seems to have noticed I slipped yesterday and forgot what day it was, saying the phase would end today. Hm? :p

[Songstress]

Grr, cat on lap decided to rub his head on the keyboard and managed to send my browser back and lose a post.  Composing in Notepad for the second try >.<

 

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Additional notes from re-read (now on page 37):

 

- Eldrick continues to confound me... pretty sure when he called Sili out for vote-hopping there had already been discussion of Sili's "moves his vote a lot as town" meta.  In fact I'm sure of it, because that was part of one of Cory's early notes that he thought Sili might be trying to appear town by playing to this expectation of him.  I don't expect him to have perfect thread recall (I certainly don't) but of the two that I have a hard time reading, I feel better about Sili than I do Eldrick right now.

 

- I think I'm going to need to ISO a few people when I'm done to get a better feel for them - in context a lot of things are blending into the general mix of "blahblahblah I have no idea about your alignment" and in isolation I can see the patterns better.  Probably need to look at John Snow, Ocicat, Talya, Mish and Wishleste. 

 

More current game thoughts:

 

- I'm really liking the effort Tab is putting in.

 

- I don't get the anti-Pral sentiment.  The activity thing is completely par for the course for him, he's explained it multiple times in games, and the push on him before his posts this morning feels more like punishing him for his playstyle than trying to find actual mafia.  I generally find that when he's fully caught up and starts posting, he has good points to make - I don't always agree with all of them, but he's often more right than I am.  He's also shown excellent judgment as a town power role in the past, as many who have played with him before should remember.  I'm going to need to double check his reads list from this morning when I get to it in my re-read, but nothing struck me as being particularly bad about it.  I'm not going on record as saying I think he's town, but I honestly don't want to lynch him until I think he's not town, and I don't have a firm idea on that yet.

[Songstress]

I'm currently waiting for class to start, but I have a bit of time to note nobody else seems to have noticed I slipped yesterday and forgot what day it was, saying the phase would end today. Hm? :p

 

Why do you consider this a slip, and what should be significant about it that anyone would take note of it?