Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Songstress]

Question for Tina.

 

I'm not going to ask you to name names, but the players that you targeted on N1, N2 and N3 - were those players you were reading as town, reading as mafia, or unsure?

[Kivam]

Also, feel free to ask Kiv if she is willing to make inconsistent decisions. It further complicates everything. 

 

FTFY

 

[Songstress]

@ BFG, if you're around...

 

Who are your top 3 picks to lynch today?

[Kivam]

Vote Count

 

Tina (3) - Leelou, Lenlo, Talya

Eldrick (1) - John Snow

John Snow (2) - Eldrick, Tina

6 to lynch

 

Not Voting: Tress, Taborline, Misheru, BFG
 

[Lenlo]

Guys, I am about to go to sleep but look. We need to decide on who is getting lynched. Deadline is in about 12 hours, less most likely since I am probably screwing up my time zone conversions or chose the wrong one for Kiv.

 

We need to pick. Rand is bad.

[John Snow]

Eldrick is the way to go today. I'm willing to settle for Taborline. 

[Talya]

I agree, I will be happy with JS or Tina. If it's the only way to get a lynch I will go Eld as well. Some people seem reluctant to vote at present. I will be around later.

[BFG]

@ BFG, if you're around...

 

Who are your top 3 picks to lynch today?

Eldrick, Leelou, Tina but I'll be honest and say it's mostly POE.

[BFG]

I hate rereads and ISOs. If I didn't see anything the first time, chances are I won't with a reread either. Trying to figure Tab out. I'm not seeing anything scummy, so I guess I'm gonna go with a slight town lean. I can't think of anything substantial she's done, so it's only a slight one.

 

 

[v]John Snow[/v]

 

He's not one of my town reads, which puts him in my WTL. I'm curious how much support this train could get. Who else feels this way?

 

I don't have any compelling reasons to push him besides POE.

 

I know there have been people that have mentioned problems with him, but no one is voting, and I'm curious why.

 

 

 

 

For right now, I am going to vote: Wishleste. My instincts haven't really changed on them; the avoiding explanations, not answering questions, lots of comments that don't really say anything. I would be pretty surprised if they turned out not to be scum.

 

This vote screams bus.

 

 

Tab is another one I haven't figured out, and this is a good point.

 

 

 

For right now, I am going to vote: Wishleste. My instincts haven't really changed on them; the avoiding explanations, not answering questions, lots of comments that don't really say anything. I would be pretty surprised if they turned out not to be scum.

 

This vote screams bus.

 

 

But if all three of us were scum, why would I vote Verb on D1, list him as suspicious from the beginning, and also go after Wish? I could have just kept my vote on Verb on D2, but instead I went with what I had seen from my investigations of Wish.

 

 

Why couldn't this be a situation of just the 2 of you being scum, and Verb isn't? Verb's alignment isn't a factor in this situation anyway. If you're scum, you saw that Wish was going down, and hopped on.

 

@Eld and Mish, what were your role on your result. I think I remember Mish saying?

 

FWIW

N1: Tracker result. Targeted Oci, with the idea of targeting my scummiest read, as not many NA's are beneficial

N2: No result. Targeted Mish. Testing the idea that I had a tracker role, and expected to get a result from Mish. I didn't get anything back.

 

I agree that NA discussion should be left alone until we catch Loki, and have no faith in the reliability of our current results. What I do know is something is going on with them, as my 2 nights don't match up.

 

 

 

The person I'm feeling the worst about right now is Tab. I was looking into her ISO last night. I didn't finish, but I didn't see anything I particularly liked either. And, as JS pointed out, her vote on Wish feels like bussing. 

[unvote]

[v]Tab[/v]

 

As I explained when I voted him, don't have JS as town. Still willing to go that way.

 

I'd be willing to go Lenlo too. There have been things that rubbed me the wrong way about him. I don't think I have the support there, though.

 

I'm not getting the same vibe others are from Tina. I don't see the problem with reads not changing much, if nothing happens that makes you want to change them.

 

Like I just explained, can't read Verb. He's an inactive. could go either way.

 

BFG is another inactive. I was looking into what she's contributed so far yesterday. I should go finish that.

 

Feeling good about Leelou. don't think she'd be Wish's  teammate.

 

Tress and Talya are slight town. I can't remember them doing anything I didn't like, and that's a good sign.

 

Oci was scum to me. AJ is town. Slight town on this slot.

 

Sorry to the other person I'm forgetting. I know I'm missing someone.

[BFG]

that posted before I was ready, but at least it didn't lose the quotes.

 

 

Eldrick can you explain?

 

You go from not seeing anything scummy, so leaning slight town, voting Snow, agreeing with Snow and concluding that there was nothing you particularly liked and voting Tabor?

[BFG]

(But honestly not that important any more)

[John Snow]

Eldrick is willing to vote anyone that's not himself. After all, that's his wincon. 

[BFG]

Eldrick is willing to vote anyone that's not himself. After all, that's his wincon.

Why Tabor? I saw the vote thing (just quoted) is there anything else?

[BFG]

 

 

For right now, I am going to vote: Wishleste. My instincts haven't really changed on them; the avoiding explanations, not answering questions, lots of comments that don't really say anything. I would be pretty surprised if they turned out not to be scum.

 

This vote screams bus.

 

 

But if all three of us were scum, why would I vote Verb on D1, list him as suspicious from the beginning, and also go after Wish? I could have just kept my vote on Verb on D2, but instead I went with what I had seen from my investigations of Wish.

 

Tabor can you explain this? Who do you mean by 3 in this context?

[BFG]

Back in a few hours

[Niniel]

Question for Tina.

 

I'm not going to ask you to name names, but the players that you targeted on N1, N2 and N3 - were those players you were reading as town, reading as mafia, or unsure?

 

People that I have been  unsure of. 

 

Tina gets some more cotes and shows up. Noted.

 

That was the time that I could get here. I really don´t like this. If I had not posted then you would have used that against me too.

 

 

I really don´t want to be todays lynch. As I have said, I rather lynch Snow, but I could vote BFG as well. 

[Talya]

I'm not sure I like his comment about everyone not do any night actions. We know that when Loki dies we can use all that info.

[Eldrick4221]

I don't understand how someone who was basically a universal town read just a few days ago is now apparently a better lynch than Eldrick or Tina, both of whom were being looked at pretty heavily at the start of the day/day before.

 

How many of you professing Eldrick to be town right now we're, not but afew RL days ago, agreeing with me that how he was playing and what he was doing was suspicious and telling of non-town alignment?

 

This push reeks IMO.

 

I would expect Loki to be a town read. It doesn't surprise me. Loki is hunting scum just as much as we are. his win depends on blending in with town until the end. 

 

I´m not hiding, just spending the day with my daughter. It took some time for her to fall asleep so I will just comment on some posts that has to do with me. 

 

Not a fan of this line. Focusing on what has to do with you instead of #solving. Screams defensive.

 

I didn't say that you voted Pral for inactivity so why bring it up?

 

Because it was the general reason for his lynch, and one I didn't support. Pral is typically not here much Day 1, and I wasn't lynching him for that. I felt it needed mentioning when covering why I did vote for him.

 

 

Thank you for your read on Tina. I'm trying to figure her out, and why so many people have her low on their list. I asked about it before, but the only response I got so far was someone correcting one of the reasons I has listed remembering.

 

The reason about Leelou and Tina's bottom lists matching was trying to figure Leelou out, not Tina. That's what was corrected.

 

The only other thing I had was that her reads hadn't changed much, and I didn't see how that put her so low, except if simply by PoE with everyone else being stronger town reads. I don't think that's the case.

 

Also, I'm glad you're finally contributing, so I can figure you out. Your play so far was reminding me of Verb's, and I was gonna push for your lynch if you continued.

You've done this a few times over the game that I noticed.

 

You say that I'm not contributing but (in this case) you've assigned my posts to some 'them', asking Leelou about her list being similar to Tina's was one of my posts, as was correcting you about it. So you're noting my posts but not bothering(?) to assign them to me.

 

 

You count that as contributing? Cuz I don't. I was asking for reasons people were seeing Tina as scummy, and all you did was take a reason off the list. So no. I didn't remember the name of the person that wasn't being helpful.

 

 

I'm not budging from JS. What he said would have been modkillable if it was a tracker result. The fact that he lives means he's lying.

I don't understand this. You claimed a tracker result Night 1, what do you think happened to it Night 2?

 

 

You seem to be completely missing my point. I'm not talking about the likelihood of him getting a tracker result. I did get one N1, and therefore know what can and can't be said about such result.

 

This list included hinting at your knowledge. If his knowledge told him something about Talya, as he is implying, then what he said would have been modkillable. The very fact that he got away with saying it screams liar to me. And given the context makes me accuse him of being Loki. Trying to fabricate a result without knowing the restrictions.

[John Snow]

You're insinuating that I wouldn't have a) checked the restrictions before faking it and b) that I wouldn't have been counter-claimed on my result. 

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 
 
 
 

N2: No result. Targeted Mish. Testing the idea that I had a tracker role, and expected to get a result from Mish. I didn't get anything back.
 
I agree that NA discussion should be left alone until we catch Loki, and have no faith in the reliability of our current results. What I do know is something is going on with them, as my 2 nights don't match up.

 

 
 

The person I'm feeling the worst about right now is Tab. I was looking into her ISO last night. I didn't finish, but I didn't see anything I particularly liked either. And, as JS pointed out, her vote on Wish feels like bussing. 
[unvote]
[v]Tab[/v]
 
As I explained when I voted him, don't have JS as town. Still willing to go that way.
 
I'd be willing to go Lenlo too. There have been things that rubbed me the wrong way about him. I don't think I have the support there, though.
 
I'm not getting the same vibe others are from Tina. I don't see the problem with reads not changing much, if nothing happens that makes you want to change them.
 
Like I just explained, can't read Verb. He's an inactive. could go either way.
 
BFG is another inactive. I was looking into what she's contributed so far yesterday. I should go finish that.
 
Feeling good about Leelou. don't think she'd be Wish's  teammate.
 
Tress and Talya are slight town. I can't remember them doing anything I didn't like, and that's a good sign.
 
Oci was scum to me. AJ is town. Slight town on this slot.
 
Sorry to the other person I'm forgetting. I know I'm missing someone.

 

 

 

 

that posted before I was ready, but at least it didn't lose the quotes.


Eldrick can you explain?

You go from not seeing anything scummy, so leaning slight town, voting Snow, agreeing with Snow and concluding that there was nothing you particularly liked and voting Tabor?

The light town read was a bit of an overexaggeration on my part. It was due to a lack of seeing anything scummy, and on the verge of being null. I should have classified it as null with a town lean, and think the description of my read gives off how tentative the town read was anyway.

I wasn't scumreading JS, but I didn't have him as town either. I voted him because he was in my PoE, but I was open to reasons to move him out. He said something that made sense about Tab, and moved her lower on the list than he was, so I moved my vote to her.

[Eldrick4221]

You're insinuating that I wouldn't have a) checked the restrictions before faking it and b) that I wouldn't have been counter-claimed on my result. 

No. I'm insinuating that you didn't know what the restrictions were, because you didn't actually get the result.

 

I don't see counter claiming being a viable part of this game yet, and not sure why you are even bringing it up. Things are confusing enough without trying to figure out if 2 people are trying to claim the same type of result.

 

On that note, there were 2 cop result claims Day 2, and no one mentioned counter claim then either.

[John Snow]

I may or may not be on again before DL, depending on when I wake up. 

 

The case on me is barely stuck together BS that I'm surprised anyone's willing to buy into. Not sure if my lynch is stupid townie driven or scum, but it'll bear looking into. 

 

Eldrick is obvLoki. Tabor is scum #3, 90% sure. Haven't locked in scum 4 yet. 

 

In case I'm not alive when I wake up, good luck to you Lenlo. I'm rooting for you, whatever you turn out to be if I don't live. 

[John Snow]

 

You're insinuating that I wouldn't have a) checked the restrictions before faking it and b) that I wouldn't have been counter-claimed on my result. 

No. I'm insinuating that you didn't know what the restrictions were, because you didn't actually get the result.

 

I don't see counter claiming being a viable part of this game yet, and not sure why you are even bringing it up. Things are confusing enough without trying to figure out if 2 people are trying to claim the same type of result.

 

On that note, there were 2 cop result claims Day 2, and no one mentioned counter claim then either.

 

 

No, Sooh/BFG didn't announce until D3, but they got the result D2. Skim harder bro. 

[John Snow]

AFAICR, there has been 1 tracker, watcher, and cop every night. People can announce what type of result they got. If I didn't actually get my result, it seems plausible that whomever did get the N2 tracker would CC me. It would out me as scum/Loki. Free-er than a cop claiming to find scum. 

[Eldrick4221]

I may or may not be on again before DL, depending on when I wake up. 

 

The case on me is barely stuck together BS that I'm surprised anyone's willing to buy into. Not sure if my lynch is stupid townie driven or scum, but it'll bear looking into. 

 

Eldrick is obvLoki. Tabor is scum #3, 90% sure. Haven't locked in scum 4 yet. 

 

In case I'm not alive when I wake up, good luck to you Lenlo. I'm rooting for you, whatever you turn out to be if I don't live. 

You trying to pin Loki on me is laughable. and you're reason is because I'm hunting Loki.

 

It's not barely stuck together, but it's bugging the hell out of me that others aren't seeing it.