Ragnarok Game Thread - Game Over, Town Wins!

[Niniel]

My old list.

 

 

 

Mish - really townie all the way. Drove the WiCi lynch. 

Lenlo - liked him on D2 with his questioning of WiCi. 

 

Taborline - I did like her earlier and haven´t seen anything that want me to move her down. Again, what is the points against her?

 

Tress - Still think she is town but a little bit less since she never voted yesterday. 

 

Eldrick - Liked how he started D2 with confirming what Mish said about her na reads. Wasn´t fond of his WiCi interaction though. 

Talya - I liked her on D1 but I don´t like the way she handled WiCi yesterday. Not happy about her vote on me either. 

Leelou - I still think I have something right about my case but she did act townie around WiCi yesterday. Will see how she continues. 

 

Snow - That hammer was not good. "Guessing" WiCi´s role before the scene and the way they predicted he would come in and hammer. 

BFG - Sooh was very vague about WiCi. Before that she felt very neutral about stuff as well. Can you all take a look at #2000 and see if you think it´s a slip or not.

Verb - Will he ever start to play?

AJ - I already had him (Oci) as mafia but with the connection between him and WiCi, and they flipping mafia, I will contiune to vote him

 

 

 

 

 

 

I´m still thinking Mish is town. The same goes for Lenlo. I need to take a look at the points against Taborlin, I didn´t think they looked very convincing when I read it before. I can´t say that I have a strong town read on her from D2 and forward but I remember believing her town from D1. I need to take a closer look at Tress. Mish pointed out that Eldrick said things after he recieved a na that he shouldn´t know if he wasn´t town. That´s enough for me for now. Need to take a closer look at Talya. I think Leelou is town. I need to take another look at Snow. 

 

 

That´s where I am right now. 

[Niniel]

Any cop result you get can influence your reads. You are allowed to post your reads. Your cop read should be your strongest read. You are allowed to post the strength of your reads. 

 

Tress is living proof of this theory (or a liar). 

 

Then you have not recieved the same kind of pm that I got. 

[Songstress]

Any cop result you get can influence your reads. You are allowed to post your reads. Your cop read should be your strongest read. You are allowed to post the strength of your reads.

 

Tress is living proof of this theory (or a liar).

This is all true.

 

Cop results are not always as useful as one might hope, but in nearly every case they should be of use in determining your reads.

 

The godfather is dead, so there's a plus there.

[Niniel]

Actually, you kind of made it impossible for me to make a clear post after that kind of direct question, if I understand Kivam´s pm correctly. I don´t like this.

[Niniel]

That was @ Snow.

[John Snow]

Actually, you kind of made it impossible for me to make a clear post after that kind of direct question, if I understand Kivam´s pm correctly. I don´t like this.

 

I'm just asking what your strongest read is. I find it hard to believe that Kiv would stop you from a) Letting your cop view influence your reads, or b) saying what your strongest read is

[Niniel]

I´m just saying that Mish is my top town read, as she has been since D1.

[BFG]

 

Any cop result you get can influence your reads. You are allowed to post your reads. Your cop read should be your strongest read. You are allowed to post the strength of your reads. 

 

Tress is living proof of this theory (or a liar).

 

Then you have not recieved the same kind of pm that I got.

 

Did you receive a result on the person you targeted? (note I'm not asking who you targeted)

[Niniel]

 

 

Any cop result you get can influence your reads. You are allowed to post your reads. Your cop read should be your strongest read. You are allowed to post the strength of your reads. 

 

Tress is living proof of this theory (or a liar).

 

Then you have not recieved the same kind of pm that I got.

 

Did you receive a result on the person you targeted? (note I'm not asking who you targeted)

 

 

Yes.

[BFG]

Can I ask who you targeted Night 1?

[Niniel]

I targetted Tress on N1. 

[Talya]

 

-snip-

 

The fact that (and I checked this time) it says that neither scum nor town no their roles, suggest that the results would be mixed up between us. Otherwise, the scum would easily be able to work out what they did and what roles they have by their results. So this makes no sense. I also think Loki is not likely to be left out of it. 

 

 

I'm inclined to agree. 

 

-snip-

Only way I can see it makes sense with the cop being dead, people still getting results, and Sili being basically vanilla.

 

 

Sili was basically dead because the GODFATHER was dead. It was potentially intentional misdirection on Loki's (Eldrick's) part, or an honest mistake. I already posted this. You reading the thread?

 

 

Dear whomever targeted Tayla last night:

I have reason to believe she is VT. 

Good luck and happy hunting. 

 

If this message is directed to you, do yourself and town a favor and don't tell everyone who you are.

This is where he is saying someone viewed me and said what result he got.

 

Kiv specifically said in the pm that we cannot mention who the result was about and what was the result. We could only say whether ist was the person we targeted and what the role of the result was. In my case I could say, I didn't put in the name on the results and that it was a watcher type role. If I said more I would be MK. JS is still here but went against the rules, so the above post is a lie.

 

I knew something bugged me and it was Mishs post that reminded me about the restrictions.

 

 

One thing I've learned in life is that, if you try hard enough, you can always find a loophole. Tress was also smart enough to find one. Are the rest of you?

 

@ Mish - I know JS said you were no threat. But you are being town read by all. AJ wasn't being...that's what rings bells in my head. Something I will tuck away.

 

Not sure what's up with the AJ kill. He seemed like a viable lynch candidate. Big Game Hunting is really the only thing that comes to mind. 

 

 

You still haven't answered, you actually said my name, which to me means a MK. I haven't seen a list from you in a while, so not sure how anyone can tell. Unfortunately mine only said who visited someone, saying that I think someone could be lying, so I need to check that.

[John Snow]

 

-snip-

 

You still haven't answered, you actually said my name, which to me means a MK. I haven't seen a list from you in a while, so not sure how anyone can tell. Unfortunately mine only said who visited someone, saying that I think someone could be lying, so I need to check that.

 

 

I have a habit of asking pointed questions until I get the answer I want. Whether or not Kiv is consistent in her rulings something that would take more pointed questions to work around. 

[John Snow]

You know, the simple solution is to just lynch Eldrick so we can have a normal mafia game. 

[Talya]

So you are saying you worked out a way to say what you wanted without getting MK?

 

I asked a question at some point, for people to say who they targeted. I think it would be helpful to those who have had watcher results. We also might be able to see if the people who were targeted actually went there.

[Talya]

You know, the simple solution is to just lynch Eldrick so we can have a normal mafia game. 

 

I could go with that possibility or Lenlo.

 

Still not too happy about what you have said, but I'm more satisfied than before.

 

[uNVOTE]

[Lenlo]

 

 

You know, the simple solution is to just lynch Eldrick so we can have a normal mafia game.

I could go with that possibility or Lenlo.

 

Still not too happy about what you have said, but I'm more satisfied than before.

 

[uNVOTE]

Oh really? This seems out of left field, please explain

[Talya]

I said yesterday that you were one I thought could be Loki...so it's not new :p

 

AS for Mafia, I would be happy with Tina or BFG

[Talya]

Actually I've been thinking. There maybe a way of working out who is Loki. Or whether action get muddled

 

If we know who people targeted, those that has results would be able to see if they actually targeted the person who they said, if it went to someone else, it could mean the original person targeted has some kind of redirect action.

 

Put a little differently (I'm not good explaining things)

 

If A targets B at night, then C gets the results showing that A actually targeted D. Because B had a redirect on them. Who has is likely to have a redirect...Loki.

[John Snow]

Actually I've been thinking. There maybe a way of working out who is Loki. Or whether action get muddled

 

If we know who people targeted, those that has results would be able to see if they actually targeted the person who they said, if it went to someone else, it could mean the original person targeted has some kind of redirect action.

 

Put a little differently (I'm not good explaining things)

 

If A targets B at night, then C gets the results showing that A actually targeted D. Because B had a redirect on them. Who has is likely to have a redirect...Loki.

 

We'd need both a tracker and watcher or two of one of those to be able to do that. Otherwise, all it does is out our PRs. 

 

(Assuming I'm reading what you're saying correctly)

[Niniel]

@Talya. Someone with a brain will have to think about that, and if it´s a good idea. We need to be sure not to get mk´d though.

 

 

I read through Snow´s posts and I don´t see anything that screams town. In fact, it reminded me about his hammer of WishCeleste. I have been accused of being mafia for not changing my reads during D1 and D2, but Snow is doing kind of the opposite. He has changed his mind (and votes) a lot of times. 

 

Snow is back in red, together with BFG. 

[Talya]

I have a theory that whoever targets Loki, would be redirected.

 

People would only put who they targeted. Those who received the results can't say what you got, but if we get a different result, we maybe able to see if they were redirected. If everyone is redirected then we know it's a game mechanics, if it is just one or two people we should be able to work out who Loki is, because if it is the same person first targeted we have them. Of course, it means trusting people, and some people will lie (mafia nk), but Mafia want to get Loki as much as anyone. We wouldn't be giving any roles away, If mafia receive the results they have that info already.

 

We know there is a watcher out there (I have had results and so has Eld?) don't know if it was a mafia or town watcher though.

[Talya]

I know Tina, but if we aren't revealing our pm's we should be okay. I know I had more than one result so I could tell if the game is screwed or there is a redirector. But I can't say who they are so if everyone does it I can look at it, same as Eld and same as the person who received it N3.

[John Snow]

Tina, ask Kiv these 4 questions:

 

f I received a cop result for whatever reason:

 

a) Would it be allowed to influence my reads

b) Would it be allowed to influence the strength of my reads

c) Would I be allowed to post my reads

d) Would I be allowed to post the strength of my reads

 

Then do an ISO or two and tell us your strongest read.

[michellem]

 

 

Any cop result you get can influence your reads. You are allowed to post your reads. Your cop read should be your strongest read. You are allowed to post the strength of your reads.

 

Tress is living proof of this theory (or a liar).

Then you have not recieved the same kind of pm that I got.

Agreed. I was specifically told I could not let my results influence my reads. I could not hint at them in any way. I'm worrying now this is all made up...