[Advanced] The Usual Suspects Mafia - GAME OVER - COPS WIN

[WWWwombat]

As of p. 27 Beck and Mish town leans.  Kiv null so overall slight town lean on Kivish.

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So does my home site and we are all able to interact just find.

How about some interaction this game? I get that you're new here, but I don't see a ton of effort in trying to actually interact (re: question, dig, poke, prod) at people so far.

[keyholder21]

^ Sounds ruder than I meant it to :/.

[WWWwombat]

Apette dynamic is strong.  Fortunately, Ape can't hide.

 

If you don't know what that means, you're not supposed to.

[keyholder21]

Apette dynamic is strong.  Fortunately, Ape can't hide.

 

If you don't know what that means, you're not supposed to.

Secrets don't make friends.

[WWWwombat]

Rum and Coke is effective.  All of a sudden I don't hate you all for making me read this nonsense.

[Nynaeve]

@ Nyn, I get the Zander thing.

 

You say you gut read sili, can you articulate it at all, I struggle there?

 

I feel like he's driven, enthusiastic and nudging. Some of his posts didn't make sense to me, but that's per norm. I am less twitchy about that when it comes to him. A little spammy, but that's also not unusual for him. If memory serves right, he tends to be a bit more spazzy and erratic as scum. I'm not seeing it so far. 

[Celeste]

 

So does my home site and we are all able to interact just find.

How about some interaction this game? I get that you're new here, but I don't see a ton of effort in trying to actually interact (re: question, dig, poke, prod) at people so far.

I can answer this. I was really busy and just now had time to post. It also still feels like too much meta use still but I'm still trying.

 

While I have your attention do you have thoughts on Lenone? I feel like she isn't really saying much.

[WWWwombat]

One more time with feeling: i made no accusation against Pral. I prodded him to participate because if he happens to be scum this game, i want content to analyze. If I haven't made this clear enough in this and other threads, I DON'T BELIEVE IN META. Good players can stay consistent across alignment and bad players will get caught making mistakes with or without meta on them. Other than wanting to know if particular arguments are out of character for a player (if i start advocating no lynch D1, there's something weird going on), things like affect and tone are meaningless to me, because they can be faked so easily Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

You mean we shouldn't take everything ITT at face value?  OUTRAGEOUS!

 

 

okok

 

fwiw Pral's absences tend to be less of the "lurker" variety and more of the "doesn't have a lot of time" afaict - when he's around he usually posts and makes reads of his own volition

 

I guess we'll see

 

Little bit of both imo.  When pressured he tends to step it up at least a little bit.

[Talya]

 

@ Nyn, I get the Zander thing.

You say you gut read sili, can you articulate it at all, I struggle there?

 

 

I feel like he's driven, enthusiastic and nudging. Some of his posts didn't make sense to me, but that's per norm. I am less twitchy about that when it comes to him. A little spammy, but that's also not unusual for him. If memory serves right, he tends to be a bit more spazzy and erratic as scum. I'm not seeing it so far.

I need to go back and look at him.

[keyholder21]

 

@ Nyn, I get the Zander thing.

 

You say you gut read sili, can you articulate it at all, I struggle there?

 

I feel like he's driven, enthusiastic and nudging. Some of his posts didn't make sense to me, but that's per norm. I am less twitchy about that when it comes to him. A little spammy, but that's also not unusual for him. If memory serves right, he tends to be a bit more spazzy and erratic as scum. I'm not seeing it so far.

 

 

I could sheep this feel. I'm not very good at reading Sili either, but I feel good about you so far.

 

I can answer this. I was really busy and just now had time to post. It also still feels like too much meta use still but I'm still trying.

 

While I have your attention do you have thoughts on Lenone? I feel like she isn't really saying much.

Cool, thanks for answering. If you think we're relying too much on meta, then poke and prod what's going on now and make us look into the "now".

 

Lenone = Lenlo? If so, he tends to get behind early in big games so I see his absence as pretty null. I'll have to look back and see what he said when he was here, because I don't remember it. <-- Also a null to VERY slight town to me because when I've been scum with him he usually tries to pay attention a bit more.

[WWWwombat]

 

I'm a unike one and only

I believe that's spelled; E-U-N-U-C-H, eunuch.

 

 

I lol'd.  Nice avi btw.

 

 

 

I have a mild concern about a player but I am not going to air it out yet

 

The player I was concerned about was BFG.

 

At the time BFG had made a single post:

 

Good morning :)

 

Innocuous enough. I think this is about ~8 AM her time, so a checking in before work/whatever type deal. I expected she'd post a couple of times and chat around before her volume dropped off, as she's been very comfortable and very involved in her last handful of villager games. 

 

Nothing followed this. Again, not going to condemn someone who could be having a busy morning, IDK what people's IRL deals are, whatever. But it reminded me of something I had mentally noted down in 9 to 5 mafia when I was her mafia partner for a day (she subbed out around ~n1) - BFG has some trouble naturally interacting in real time with people as Mafia. IDK if it's just that little trigger in your brain that looks over a post and goes "should I post?" not hitting out of some weird self-consciousness, but I remember it there, and I remember in the one day I was playing with her I was making sure to talk to her ITT and give her lines to pursue because she wasn't really moving on her own volition.

 

She was more active in a different Mafia game - AH's Pokemon game - and I am going to look it over when I get time, but even know her contribution is one "larger" more succinct reads posts where she discusses various things (#582) but again is not really interested in communicating openly and in real-time. Reminds me a lot of Cass tbh - assumes people will find a wall of words / reads villagery and leave it alone for some time, but lacks the minute-by-minute commitment and willingness to relax and discuss ITT.

 

Not a condemnation and I want to to chew on it some more but if I would guess this is Mafia!BFG more often than Town!BFG by a fair margin.

 

 

Premature imo.  RL happens.

 

 

Unfortunately there's probably a good chance I should have let that read develop before talking about it since if nothing else Clov can talk his way out of most things for a long time and I don't like giving people time to correct things they might not pay attention to about themselves in active games before things are ultimately decided

 

But lord knows I have trouble shutting my mouth

 

ClovFG will definitely be very Clovian.  Evidence of scumminess will probably be found in avoidant behavior, but it's too early to make such a judgment.

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ebwop: he usually tries to be involved a bit more, not "pay attention a bit more".

[Nynaeve]

Kivam gave me a telling off in our QT too, not just on thread. He's offered to mentor me a bit since I told him I'm nervous with such a big game and being so rusty. I know he's a way more experienced and wayyyyyy better player than I am, so I decided to follow his advice.

 

This shouldn't be that hard to figure out, really...

 

Drop the patronizing. You stood your ground on this matter, folded, and now you're back to saying you think the whole hydra theory thing is BS. Be consistent and you won't have me riding your ass. It's as simple as that.

 

I don't remember who it was that said earlier that this was similar to the game where I was hydra with Halli. It wasn't. Halli and I had conflicting reads on two players. She was voting someone I was town reading and I wanted to vote someone she was town reading. One of us had to yield for us to be able to place our vote. This is something entirely different. It's just a matter of opinion. Feels a bit like Kiv might have tried doing some damage control when Mish was catching heat.

 

 

 

Last two came after your post. It all reads fairly consistent to me. Maybe an intentional misrep in his first post--it struck me enough to correct him at the time--but I don't see a range in the responses from there. I thought it was a misrep but didn't assume it intentional and it's the sort of thing people who've played with town!Pral can easily correct. I'm pretty null on it.

 

I really disagree. I don't think it's null at all.

 

 

Kivam. We don't have alot of votes, but I feel like alot of the votes in place right now are just "I'll leave my vote here until a lynch really starts forming". Mafia is having a very easy D1, methinks. I put my foot in my mouth and that's where the focus has been. I liked that Seph was looking elsewhere, but it doesn't seem like anyone else even read his post; even after my vote no-one has commented there. It's lazy IMO. Kiv and I get lynched, flip town, and where's town gonna be then? I think every single person in the game so far has commented that we are suss, but very few has placed a vote so far. And yet no-one is bringing up any other alternatives, so everyone is gonna pile on us when EOD approaches and say "oh yeah they're the scummiest thing all day after all".

 

I don't like lazy town, makes the job too easy for mafia.

 

 

So you label the votes that are currently on you as placer votes, but also have a problem with players who express suspicion on you but not follow it up with a vote?

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Lenone = Lenlo? If so, he tends to get behind early in big games so I see his absence as pretty null. I'll have to look back and see what he said when he was here, because I don't remember it. <-- Also a null to VERY slight town to me because when I've been scum with him he usually tries to pay attention a bit more.

Did a quick ISO. He's said virtually nothing gamewise, so null until he talks more.

[WWWwombat]

 

That was around 8.40am my time and I needed to get to work, I've since been out all day/evening

 

Well you've been back for a bit to catch up on the thread and you're still going with WoT "here are my reads" catch-ups rather than presenting your reads as they come in and interacting with people around in a meaningful way

 

Back in the day Despot told me something about reading you through how you present your WoTs and discuss but I don't remember what he said

 

And I feel like that's not really even your villager style nowadays anyway

 

 

Probably for the best.

 

 

wot's i think are a good way to keep your thoughts in order, and makes it easier for people to actually understand you. although I am just quoting, and typing my thought underneath currently lol. after last game, and my soulread fiasco. that is what a wot is yes? because I see the term used, but I don't know what it means

 

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[WWWwombat]

p. 32  People start quoting other games.  Cuz we don't have enough to read in this game lol.

[WWWwombat]

Re john snow and ocicat - i don't know either at all. No reason to think they are inactive by nature (and with Wombicat, i actually know that Wombat will post content i can analyze). That's what went on in my head. No way to prove it objectively, so I'm moving on now Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

John Snow is inactive by nature.

[Nolder]

Wombat whats it like to be town? Describe it for me.

[Nynaeve]

Though if you think Nyn being abrasive is unusual then you don't know Nyn very well ;).

 

I don't think he had the pleasure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also something to note is that Pral wasn't the only player that hadn't checked in at the time either. So it's interesting that Kivam singles him out.

I actually didn't think about that. I'd have to check to see who else hadn't posted yet, but this could be a very helpful observation for later.

Really? That's putting a lot of weight behind "If my memory is right, he likes to lurk as scum, and hasn't checked in yet." It wasn't a focus of conversation until other players made it one. If Kivam flips scum I don't think it says anything about Pral let alone other inactives at this point.

Pretty sure I've already explained where I was going with this - it doesn't necessarily mean anything for the alignment. But its a damn good starting point.

 

 

I like Clov's responses in his interaction with Shad.

 

 

 

 

MOD NOTE: CSARMI WILL BE REPLACING BECK

 

Why do you hate me?

[WWWwombat]

Cool, I'm current in a skimmy fashion.  Cory you're putting in the work but I read you better when you have fire.  Thinking I've found a good way to read you there so atm I'd say I am wary.  

 

Clov prob town, good job

 

Agree I liked nyn's reaction to clov earlier, Kiv still looks really reactive in this game 

 

Meh.

 

 

Darthe you will address me as Sir

 

I am incredibly underwhelmed with you and Nolder

 

Change my mind or you'll see my fire with front row seating

 

Meh.

 

 

 

 

 

Nolder's wall looks good though.

[Nynaeve]

Cool.

 

Town:

Razen

Hallia

Sili

Nyn

Bfg

Nol

AJ

 

[v]Zander[/v]

 

Not feeling the Kivam/Mish lynch atm. 

 

cause reasons?

[WWWwombat]

 

Sili - why disappointing? You're misreading my subjective intent, the same way clov and nyn are. No amount of arguing is going to convince you about what's in my head, so what's the point? Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk

 

prolly a few more then that....

 

again with these types of comments!!!

 

this emo, AtE type comments are not a good look for you man.

 

 

How is that AtE at all?

[Cory Caboose]

I think you are making the pretty grand mistake of assuming Zander knows the meanings of the words he uses

[Nynaeve]

I should be getting out of work in ~30 min

 

til then Nyn is in charge(?)

 

I feel so important