[Pick Your Poison] Pulp Fiction Mafia - Game Over

Darthe · August 7, 2015

[v] TinaHel [/v] my reason is an if then statement that I'm betting on floating a certain way

seph · August 7, 2015

townies
sooh
dice
bfg
thane
hallia

not townies
leelou
shad
tayla
tina
alanna
darthe
kiv

I put the list in order for you

Darthe · August 7, 2015

Seph your read on me was a joke I thought? You said you had me as town before I posted, you wolved the hell out of a reason to vote me, came back and said that was a joke and contradicted that by saying it was a reaction test and now I'm at the bottom of your list.

I sit in an empty office hesitant to ask for an explanation because I decidedly don't want to read the response.

seph · August 7, 2015

Leelou, I was voting darthe to get a reaction out of him, plain and simple.

0% the soul read was simply for fun, ad i figured by placing a vote, referencing it people wouod realize it as a joke. Which most did mind you.

It's page 7...point me to somone who is actively scum hunting with only half the game checked in leelou.

The reactions I got towards the post however, will help towards hunting.

Red is reasonable. Green really isn't when you are someone who I know makes serious votes early in a game without much to back them. If you're town, try to keep in mind that it's ok to look derpy sometimes even if you really aren't. This reads to me like you're digging for an out rather than explaining your thought process.

I'm gonna try to not reinvent the wheel here or give seph an out. His actions were simply wolfy. the only reason to not vote there yet is that that read isn't locked.

Getting the game going, and getting reactions is scummy?

Maybe you need to post a play by play again, on how I should play the game.

Shad, why are you giving me a pass here?

Darthe you vote to get a reaction I believe. And did you just call me scummy, but not scummy?? Why are you not voting me?

You think this is going to get me killed?? Trust me I'm not letting anyone mislynch me this game, unless I take down. Wolf or two in the process.

To you I say, glgl.

Keeping my vote on darthe for fence sitting.

Just so you know, the soulread was of the mafia team, I am just really bad at typing...

and here is my actual read on you. I probably have you down a little too far, because I always seem to find you scummy unless you are in some sort of hyper post form.

Leelou · August 7, 2015

How, pray tell, did you get a "soul read" of an entire scum team of people who didn't even have a chance to check in yet? That is what is confusing me.

seph · August 7, 2015

I thought that is what a soul read was? calling out the mafia team...

Talya · August 7, 2015

[v] TinaHel [/v] my reason is an if then statement that I'm betting on floating a certain way

Please can you explain this, it's not making sense to me

Leelou, I was voting darthe to get a reaction out of him, plain and simple.

0% the soul read was simply for fun, ad i figured by placing a vote, referencing it people wouod realize it as a joke. Which most did mind you.

It's page 7...point me to somone who is actively scum hunting with only half the game checked in leelou.

The reactions I got towards the post however, will help towards hunting.

Red is reasonable. Green really isn't when you are someone who I know makes serious votes early in a game without much to back them. If you're town, try to keep in mind that it's ok to look derpy sometimes even if you really aren't. This reads to me like you're digging for an out rather than explaining your thought process.

I'm gonna try to not reinvent the wheel here or give seph an out. His actions were simply wolfy. the only reason to not vote there yet is that that read isn't locked.

Getting the game going, and getting reactions is scummy?

Maybe you need to post a play by play again, on how I should play the game.

Shad, why are you giving me a pass here?

Darthe you vote to get a reaction I believe. And did you just call me scummy, but not scummy?? Why are you not voting me?

You think this is going to get me killed?? Trust me I'm not letting anyone mislynch me this game, unless I take down. Wolf or two in the process.

To you I say, glgl.

Keeping my vote on darthe for fence sitting.

Just so you know, the soulread was of the mafia team, I am just really bad at typing...

and here is my actual read on you. I probably have you down a little too far, because I always seem to find you scummy unless you are in some sort of hyper post form.

don't get this, you had a soul read, which you thought meant mafia read, and yet those people hadn't posted. You then post you reads list. You posted this before:

I will state this for you all.

I voted darthe because I think k tayla, and leelou could be town.

I didn't want my soulread to be 0%

It was not a serious vote. Shad, why did you think it was serious?

He had two posts in the game, I would have the same %chance to vote anyone else in the game.

where you say me and Leelou could be town, now I'm not...what has changed?

Talya · August 7, 2015

I thought that is what a soul read was? calling out the mafia team...

How can you call out people that weren't here yet?

BFG · August 7, 2015

Good evening :)

I'm about to get my tea, and I need to divest myself of work, I'll be here shortly :)

Niniel · August 7, 2015

[v] TinaHel [/v] my reason is an if then statement that I'm betting on floating a certain way

I don´t understand this.

seph · August 7, 2015

I thought that is what a soul read was? calling out the mafia team...

How can you call out people that weren't here yet?

I thought that is how it worked?

you could be town tayla. but for now that is were I have you

BFG · August 7, 2015

Just quickly;

@Kivam - I read Tommy's basic game (I am well aware how long ago it was :dry: ) during it you spent a lot of your non-recap posts debating game mechanics in as much as good and bad ways to play. Basically you were interacting but not doing anything, if that makes sense? You were pushing an INFO lynch over a low poster lynch. This game you're accepting of different play styles and seemingly working with/round them. Against that (for example) that post of Sephs where you isolate a word from the phrase or where you quote Tina's vote bit ignore her post beforehand that 'explains' it.

Essentially your play 'style' seems more townie, but I'm wary because I'm not sure if you're genuinely interpreting the posts the way you say, or if you're trying to twist the way you present the information.

BFG · August 7, 2015

@Shad how much do I need to be worrying right now?

Niniel · August 7, 2015

I iso´d everyone and wrote a list but most of it was really fence sitting.

Would not vote right now: BFG, Thane, Seph, Leelou.

Just quickly;

@Kivam - I read Tommy's basic game (I am well aware how long ago it was ) during it you spent a lot of your non-recap posts debating game mechanics in as much as good and bad ways to play. Basically you were interacting but not doing anything, if that makes sense? You were pushing an INFO lynch over a low poster lynch. This game you're accepting of different play styles and seemingly working with/round them. Against that (for example) that post of Sephs where you isolate a word from the phrase or where you quote Tina's vote bit ignore her post beforehand that 'explains' it.

Essentially your play 'style' seems more townie, but I'm wary because I'm not sure if you're genuinely interpreting the posts the way you say, or if you're trying to twist the way you present the information.

This is what I´m wondering about too.

Sooh · August 7, 2015

Hey guys! I'll try to be around for a while if anyone wants some interaction.

Leelou · August 7, 2015

I thought that is what a soul read was? calling out the mafia team...

How can you call out people that weren't here yet?

This

Leelou · August 7, 2015

I thought that is what a soul read was? calling out the mafia team...

How can you call out people that weren't here yet?

I thought that is how it worked?

you could be town tayla. but for now that is were I have you

HOW is that SOUL READING? Just picking people that hadn't posted yet? THAT is WHAT we are trying to understand.

seph · August 7, 2015

I thought that is what a soul read was? calling out the mafia team...

How can you call out people that weren't here yet?

I thought that is how it worked?

you could be town tayla. but for now that is were I have you

HOW is that SOUL READING? Just picking people that hadn't posted yet? THAT is WHAT we are trying to understand.

apparently I never understood it then. I was picking people off of the list, that is how I did it ><

I was trying to have some fun, and it backfired...

Sooh · August 7, 2015

To be honest I think people are putting way too much into this, but feel free to point back and laugh at me when this is what solves the game.

Leelou · August 7, 2015

I thought that is what a soul read was? calling out the mafia team...

How can you call out people that weren't here yet?

I thought that is how it worked?

you could be town tayla. but for now that is were I have you

HOW is that SOUL READING? Just picking people that hadn't posted yet? THAT is WHAT we are trying to understand.

apparently I never understood it then. I was picking people off of the list, that is how I did it ><

I was trying to have some fun, and it backfired...

Right, but you seem to be sticking to it, yet you keep going back and forth as to if we are scum or town.

seph · August 7, 2015

I have you and tayla on my list, right where I want you.

Kivam · August 7, 2015

I thought that is what a soul read was? calling out the mafia team...

How can you call out people that weren't here yet?

This

OK, last burst of posting before I'm gone for the weekend.

If I'm understanding Seph correctly (this feels like learning a new language), he thought "soul read" meant "best random guess"

It doesn't.

(it's a term that developed while I was gone, so I may be wrong but ...) it means "I just know these people so well that based on a very few posts I'm strongly reading them as [town/scum]"

I'm not going to get into what I think of that approach, but if you read the back and forth between Seph and everyone else that way, everyone makes internal sense

Leelou · August 7, 2015

I thought that is what a soul read was? calling out the mafia team...

How can you call out people that weren't here yet?

This

OK, last burst of posting before I'm gone for the weekend.

If I'm understanding Seph correctly (this feels like learning a new language), he thought "soul read" meant "best random guess"

It doesn't.

(it's a term that developed while I was gone, so I may be wrong but ...) it means "I just know these people so well that based on a very few posts I'm strongly reading them as [town/scum]"

I'm not going to get into what I think of that approach, but if you read the back and forth between Seph and everyone else that way, everyone makes internal sense

Yes, that is what Verbal technically does with me. I guess that's why it's bothering me, because 1. I hadn't even posted and 2. Seph doesn't know me that well. Then I looked back and none of the people he had listed had posted. I'm still not sure if it's scummy or derp town yet.

Kivam · August 7, 2015

Just quickly;

@Kivam - I read Tommy's basic game (I am well aware how long ago it was ) during it you spent a lot of your non-recap posts debating game mechanics in as much as good and bad ways to play. Basically you were interacting but not doing anything, if that makes sense? You were pushing an INFO lynch over a low poster lynch. This game you're accepting of different play styles and seemingly working with/round them. Against that (for example) that post of Sephs where you isolate a word from the phrase or where you quote Tina's vote bit ignore her post beforehand that 'explains' it.

Essentially your play 'style' seems more townie, but I'm wary because I'm not sure if you're genuinely interpreting the posts the way you say, or if you're trying to twist the way you present the information.

In Tommy's game, the mechanics were very much an issue. In this game, we know what we're dealing with (and we can assume that we're looking at 3 of the following 4 town roles: Vig, IC, Cop, Tracker; it would take a very ballsy scum team to deliberately include a JK role that could block their kills).

In terms of the "info" question, look at my play today again and think it through. I always want to develop information on D1 that I can use for later analysis. That's been my play all day today, from the Seph push and trap to the Tina/Hallia pressure (had Hallia not posted content before I unvoted Tina, I would have moved my vote to her; getting them into the thread was the goal of identifying them as my favorite lynch targets).

In terms of twisting ... that's just not something I do when I'm scum, and something I do rarely when I'm town. Leelou or Talya (who've both played with me a lot, as town or scum), can tell you that. It's too easy to cast suspicion based on taking what people say at face value and then identifying the angles (pretty much anything anyone says in the game can have a town or scum motivation, even if it's only "trying to seem townie") to risk deliberately misinterpreting a townie's post when I'm scum. And obviously, when I'm town, deliberately misinterpreting posts isn't a useful play unless it's as a trap, and that hasn't been my play thus far in this game. So if I'm misinterpreting anything at all, it's straight up misinterpreting, rather than deliberate twisting.

Kivam · August 7, 2015

And BFG is looking good, loving the questioning

I agree with this ... which makes me think BFG is likely dead tonight.

Interesting strategy question - in a game like this, with likely no doctor, is announcing our town reads a particularly good play?

I don't see why not; if we're announcing scum reads or those we're willing to lynch, it's going to be obvious anyways. Besides I wouldn't think the mafia is so dumb to not know any one player's town equity based on the flow of the thread. I can see where you're getting at in us having consensus town and potentially no doc, but I really don't see it as harmful to strategy to announce reads.

I think announcing scum reads is smart in this game. I think announcing town reads is not, since consensus townies are going to be the obvious kill choices for the scum in a game with no chance of a kill misfiring. Am I the only one who sees this?

[Pick Your Poison] Pulp Fiction Mafia - Game Over

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