[Advanced] Star Wars Mafia

csarmi · June 20, 2015

Andrej the Fox

Talya · June 20, 2015

Andrej the Giant of Villaging imo.

But so wrong

Andrej · June 20, 2015

So? Why does any of that matter at all at this point?

could have solved the time consuming conflict right here wombat, but you decided to play it off -_-

Wombat is smart. We haven't spoken directly about this but he knows my alignment (obviously) and knows that I was genuine with my dislike of Seph early on. Him playing it off and allowing more people to comment on it is +EV imo

I'll just state this simply for you Sili. Unless you're a wolf you don't have reason to worry about us.

I just meant what I said. I was feeling before that game that I was getting more of an idea of what to expect from Dice. I read him as town, and he turned out to be mafia. It's basically just me saying I have no idea how to read him.

Okay - fair enough. I was sort of hoping for more specific examples, so if you have anything that'd be great. Like I said, I'm not doubting my read at this point but I haven't (and probably won't) read the ME game so if you were involved and think you are seeing tendencies here that you saw there (are you?) I would like for you to point them out.

Andrej · June 20, 2015

Andrej the Giant of Villaging imo.

But so wrong

Prove it.

Darthe · June 20, 2015

For the rest of this game I will be cosplaying Mr. Torgue.

Leelou has been lynched! She was The Emperor, Mafia Godfather.

FFFK YEAH SHE WAS

Csarmi
Sooh
Sili
Talya
Shad
ThaneBalls
WomboCombo

What is this list?

Internal consistency without the prerequisite objective logic?

Andrej · June 20, 2015

Andrej the Giant of Villaging imo.

But so wrong

Prove it.

On this note though - do you think I'm a wolf?

By implying that I'm 'wrong' you are essentially suggesting that I am a villager with a bad read.

So?

Talya · June 20, 2015

I am town, my death when comes will prove it, but in the mean time I will continue to hunt wolves, which I may get wrong, as you are :tongue:

Andrej · June 20, 2015

Cool.

GIF-eyebrows-leonardo-o-rly-really-skept

Talya · June 20, 2015

If you read further on AJ all will be reveled, we're all waiting on you to catch up. Ok not really waiting for day!

But my views have changed, a death can be insightful

csarmi · June 20, 2015

Darthe is townreading me.

Darthe is going out of his way to insult me, harass me, belittle me, trying to ridicule my reads and in general dismiss what I'm saying.

I can't find a town motivation behind that.

He is a wolf.

Andrej · June 20, 2015

Darthe is townreading me.

Darthe is going out of his way to insult me, harass me, belittle me, trying to ridicule my reads and in general dismiss what I'm saying.

I can't find a town motivation behind that.

He is a wolf.

Maybe.

Andrej · June 20, 2015

Okay - I'm stopping for now.

I'll be back in a few hours. I'm on pg 73 for reference later

Sooh · June 20, 2015

**snip**

I just meant what I said. I was feeling before that game that I was getting more of an idea of what to expect from Dice. I read him as town, and he turned out to be mafia. It's basically just me saying I have no idea how to read him.

Okay - fair enough. I was sort of hoping for more specific examples, so if you have anything that'd be great. Like I said, I'm not doubting my read at this point but I haven't (and probably won't) read the ME game so if you were involved and think you are seeing tendencies here that you saw there (are you?) I would like for you to point them out.

It was more of a "feels" read then too. He seemed to be involved in the game. Not shying away or anything like that. It reminded me of what I've been told about his villager game. He did go after people in that game too, but perhaps not as fiercely as in this. Difficult to say really. Wish I could give you more to go on.

Turin Turambar · June 20, 2015

Darthe is townreading me.

Darthe is going out of his way to insult me, harass me, belittle me, trying to ridicule my reads and in general dismiss what I'm saying.

I can't find a town motivation behind that.

He is a wolf.

maybe he is just trying to get you to play better.

Darthe · June 20, 2015

Darthe is townreading me.

Darthe is going out of his way to insult me, harass me, belittle me, trying to ridicule my reads and in general dismiss what I'm saying.

I can't find a town motivation behind that.

He is a wolf.

Biggest town motivation possible. If I can get you to sub your slot won't be wasted.

Clovdyx · June 20, 2015

Just went through all of Leelou's posts, and this is what I came up for with IRT who fits with her as teammates, based almost solely on her posts towards/about them. I haven't looked at how anybody else interacted with her besides what happened from the time I joined the game to the time she died. Top is less likely, bottom is most likely. The big clump in the middle is the group I really can't figure out one way or another.

2. Durin

14. Aiel <3

18. Csarmi

8. Zander

3. Alannalynn

16. Seph

--

1. Sili

9. Eldrick

10. Talya

11. Yates

15. Shad (BFG)

17. WomboCombo

13. Dice

7. Sooh (Mentored by Pizza)

5. NotBob

4. Thaneballs32

I don't think it's wrong to say Leelou was genuinely pissed at Darthe last night. I guess it's *possible* they could have had some falling out in a QT so Darthe decided to light her on fire and ensure she got lynched for LOLz, but I don't see these coming from someone towards a player who they (theoretically) would WANT to benefit from her lynch.

(in regards to Darthe trying to steer the lynch back to her)

You've got to be kidding me? You couldn't have done this earlier when there was time?

Whatever, I'm Leia, VT. Seriously bad towning going on here.

(after Darthe said Leia would not be VT)

Why not? What power does she have?

Looking sexy in a bikini...is that my power?

I'm not saying it's not, for the record.

I don't think I really need to explain Heart too much. Heart was pretty much Leelou's target throughout the day - and one of the few people that she didn't make any real attempt to show progress on or advance a read of. It was like her absence was thes cummiest thing of all time, and nothing was going to change that. Combine that with Heart's efforts to get Leelou lynched, and I can't see them fitting as teammates.

Csarmi I was originally torn on, but it's basically a TMI-spew thing. From the beginning of the game, she had him as a townread for his clam.

Sup?

I see this is going to be a busy game.

Guess it's time to get SRS already. :(

I really dislike it when you do this, salami, but it does put you on your town meta.

Hey all.

I require one less vote to be lynched (Hated). Should be fun :)

I don't know that I associate incredibly early claiming with Csarmi's game in either direction, but I don't see much pushback on the claim over the next couple of pages. It looks like Zander was the only person to really question why people bought the claim (unless it happened before Leelou's post?). If Leelou was completely off the mark here, I would expect that other players who know Csarmi well would have gotten at her.

Zander...I can't really explain so well. Just kind of a gut read based off her tone to him.

Hi Leelou I'm Zander

For sake of mobile readers, try to cut out the rest of the post if you aren't responding.

Hi, I'm Leelou. How many games have you played now?

@ Leelou will try to remember to cut down posts!!

I've played in like 7 or 8 I think and a couple of turbos off site

Ratio of town to scum?

0 problems with Sooh's post...completely normal Town!Sooh post. she gets mislynched way too much (i may be to blame here as well...) dont make a mountain out of nothing here,

Noted. Like I said to Sili I'm waiting to hear from her. I was trying to clarify for Laine what I meant.

@zander, I didn't quote where she was current. You can look at her posts for yourself though. I do happen to know Heart quite well and I'm not 100% comfortable with her first post.

@Zander, those aren't Hearts only 2 posts. I'm in line at Starbucks so I can't go get them right now.

Top three might be nothing, but it's kind of an awkward interaction for teammates that seem to not know eachothe well to have in thread. The bottom two just seem like she's really trying to convince him of her side. If they were working towards a mislynch, she probably isn't genuinely trying to make her point understood.

Darthe · June 20, 2015

Clov do you think Laine is town based on her being the countertrain or do you think that's not relevant?

Andrej · June 20, 2015

That and her early casing of Leelou are good signs imo

Clovdyx · June 20, 2015

For the bottom three, I don't feel nearly as strongly about, but they were the best leads I got.

IRT Sooh: In her opening post, Leelou said she was okay lynching Heart or Sooh. I don't know really know what either of them had done to that point, but when pressed about it, this is her explanation.

Actually I thought Sooh's opening was a lot better than Heart's because Sooh knew Heart's had drawn negative attention from me but did a similar thing anyway.

Also, Heart's opening is bad because after only 3 pages she implies has thoughts to share,which means she's feeling very self-conscious. What she said is what people say after at least 30 pages in my experience.

In contrast Sooh said she would catch up after she got back, which is a lot more natural.

I just didn't like that Sooh drew attention to something negative that she saw was going on and posted similarly. Her saying she would catch up when she gets back is better than what Heart said, but it also has implications that she is caught up and added nothing.

Laine - I didn't say it was drawing negative attention to Heart. Heart was already getting negative attention and Sooh said - "pulling a Heart" - in her post. To me it shows that she has some knowledge of what was going on in the thread and didn't comment on anything & use something that was getting negative attention in her post. I might not be explaining it the best as to what is going through my head.

Not the strongest of cases. Granted, it's early, but this was her follow up when she started getting some push back on it.

0 problems with Sooh's post...completely normal Town!Sooh post. she gets mislynched way too much (i may be to blame here as well...) dont make a mountain out of nothing here,

Noted. Like I said to Sili I'm waiting to hear from her. I was trying to clarify for Laine what I meant.

Maybe Leelou couldn't bring herself to push Sooh's been mislynched a couple of time, but it doesn't seem like she had too much interest in getting her killed. A day later, she basically treats Sooh as null here.

Darthe - starting to trend #weirder

Dice - how's the tunnel?

Eldrick - #trendingtownie

Heart - I see she never showed up 18 hours later like she said she was going to.

Sooh - I'd like to see her actively interact with people. Lists are good, interaction is better.

Zander - hi!

[v]Heart[/v]

Side note: I won't really be that active today. I'm going to be away from my desk most of the day and there will be 2 meetings will champagne.

Note the vote on Heart for not showing up. I'll check Sooh's posts on the chance she came into the thread and went hyper between those two posts of Leelou's, but it seems like a very different approach on two people she would seemingly be handling the same way, if they're both town.

For Notbob, she seemed to write him off early, saying his quantity was normal for him in her first post. These were the only posts she made directed towards him that i coudl find.

Morning NotBob

Morning NotBob

morning elle, how goes it?

Good, need coffee though. You?

Not of a whole lot between them there. Then later he's in her townpile. Again, I need to go back and look at what he did, but that seems off to me. Then you had his pop in immediately after deadline...

Clovdyx · June 20, 2015

T-t-t-t-tag breaker!

Clovdyx · June 20, 2015

Clov do you think Laine is town based on her being the countertrain or do you think that's not relevant?

Mostly irrelevant? I guess she's more likely to be town than mafia, just because the odds of two mafia being ran up near DL is pretty low, but there's nothing preventing it.

csarmi · June 20, 2015

Darthe is townreading me.

Darthe is going out of his way to insult me, harass me, belittle me, trying to ridicule my reads and in general dismiss what I'm saying.

I can't find a town motivation behind that.

He is a wolf.

Biggest town motivation possible. If I can get you to sub your slot won't be wasted.

Reported. I hope you get modkilled.

csarmi · June 20, 2015

I'm not taking this any longer. Let me know when Darthe has been lynched or modkilled and I'll start playing again.

Clovdyx · June 20, 2015

The strongest thing Laine has going for her IMO is that she pretty much declared her intent to lynch Leelou long before it was a foregone conclusion that she would be the lynch. The actual vote timing makes it possible to be a self-preservation vote on a teammate, and I put NO stock in Leelou's retaliation vote whatsoever. But the fact that Laine actually seemed to be leaning that way with a few hours to go is a good sign.

Clovdyx · June 20, 2015

I'm not taking this any longer. Let me know when Darthe has been lynched or modkilled and I'll start playing again.

At least spot check my work first?

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