American Gods Mafia [Advanced] - mafia win

[Darthe]

Turin replaces Sooh.

Well that'll make the slot easy to read.

[Darthe]

Darthe, I've already made my case on Thane, but he's my #1.  Sooh and Seph are the next most likely imo, but that's mainly by PoE.  I pointed out some things that each of them did that I didn't like as they happened, but I don't really have a case on either.  Everyone else is either null or a town read with some tinfoil added.

Sili lynch had what effect on your reads?

 

Ok, so this game is going really slowly now.  We can't just wait for Sooh or her replacement to show up before we start putting in work.  The clock is still ticking.  I would like to hear from Thane and Dice as well as Sooh.

Yeah it really slowed down.  I too want to hear from these people.  Thoughts on the below post?

 

I re read notbob and sili.

With him flipping mason and if he got 2 recruits.

Poe looks like sooh thane darthe and me.

 

Wombat tinfoil for aj reason 

If he hit a scum, 

the only people I see him targeting last night are darthe, dice, wombat aj.

 

I just can't see a world where aj is a wolf this game. Unless he has been bussing sili since day 1.

 

Guys I know my play has been very sporadic but I did have a plan, and with the role I have it would have panned out very well if played right.

I really feel like I let the town down, but I do not want to cost us the game from me being mislynched.

Why did you leave Dice out of your POE?  Also dislike the soft claim..

[seph]

Dice was in my poe.

Would you like a full claim then darthe.

[Darthe]

weird question.  idk, it's based on your role that you should know whether that's a good move or not.  Don't get why you'd offer though.

[Darthe]

And dice clearly was not in your PoE.  You said "Poe looks like sooh thane darthe and me.".  I don't get why you included yourself or left off dice.

[seph]

He doesn't need to be in there.

Why don't you like my claim there?

 

My role is helpful early and late game. I just feel like I could of played better early, as I think it had a bigger upside.

[WWWwombat]

 

Darthe, I've already made my case on Thane, but he's my #1.  Sooh and Seph are the next most likely imo, but that's mainly by PoE.  I pointed out some things that each of them did that I didn't like as they happened, but I don't really have a case on either.  Everyone else is either null or a town read with some tinfoil added.

Sili lynch had what effect on your reads?

 

Ok, so this game is going really slowly now.  We can't just wait for Sooh or her replacement to show up before we start putting in work.  The clock is still ticking.  I would like to hear from Thane and Dice as well as Sooh.

Yeah it really slowed down.  I too want to hear from these people.  Thoughts on the below post?

 

I re read notbob and sili.

With him flipping mason and if he got 2 recruits.

Poe looks like sooh thane darthe and me.

 

Wombat tinfoil for aj reason 

If he hit a scum, 

the only people I see him targeting last night are darthe, dice, wombat aj.

 

I just can't see a world where aj is a wolf this game. Unless he has been bussing sili since day 1.

 

Guys I know my play has been very sporadic but I did have a plan, and with the role I have it would have panned out very well if played right.

I really feel like I let the town down, but I do not want to cost us the game from me being mislynched.

Why did you leave Dice out of your POE?  Also dislike the soft claim..

 

 

Sili lynch didn't change my reads a lot as my last list was assuming he'd flip scum.  That being said, I think I may have put Seph and Dice back to yellow too hastily.  I'll make a new list.

 

I didn't quite understand how Seph got his PoE, but I don't really care that much.  The thing that stuck out to me was his confidence in AJ, which was a change from yesterday.  That's why I asked him about it.

[WWWwombat]

Town core:

 

Wombat

AJ

Darthe

Dice

 

 

PoE/Mafia:

Seph (m. Yates)

Sooh/Turin
Thane

[BFG]

VC 3.3

 

Not Voting (7): Seph, Thane, Turin, Dice, Wombat, AJ, Darthe

 

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

 

Deadline is 7.30PM BST on Friday June 12th

 

[Andrej]

Cliffs?

You subbed in for a wolf

 

Sorry man, tough luck. Good on you though to fill in when needed.

[Andrej]

Turin/Darthe probably wins this honestly.

[Turin Turambar]

Nope. You are incorrect.

 

Why do you think I am? There must be a case. Link or quote if you Would.

[Andrej]

What's the point? You obviously can't defend Sooh's actions. But if you wish, I did an ISO a few pages back.

[Andrej]

Sooh ISO.

 

 

 

 

 

This thing that the N0 peek is a day action confuses me.. I always thought it was a random NA for N0. Clearly I'm not completely up to speed as to what everything is or isn't yet.

 

I'm not quite sure what to make of these early votes and suspicions. I get that Darthe's peek was strange, but then again I'm not all clear on the mechanics.

 

I don't know why you don't like Dice this game, AJ. I think he seems relaxed and villagery in this game. He has had a process which he showed us every step of. I like that about him.

The bolded bit becomes more important later on. Early defense of Dice noted though. wolf Sooh = villager Dice?

Dae,

 

I was unsure what to say about Seph, but I think you summarized it perfectly. He seemed almost a little too worried about that vote. Curious that he's more worried about that one than Sili's vote though.

This one is interesting. This probably spews Seph town if Sooh is a wolf. The important part here is that she's pointing out his reaction to Wombat's vote in comparison to Sili's. I could see this statement being made as Sooh in cahoots with Sili and some early linkage going on.

 

 

Im about to pop out for a few hours but does anyone know when/if Notbob is going to be active? Because at the moment he is an easy mafia kill n1 to deny us info, and if thats the case I'd rather lynch him and get the mafia to make a more difficult decision.

Just quickly read everything to catch up, and I'll have to go back and make reads. This stood out to me though. Why would this be a good lynch? Unless he's scum it's always more beneficial to try to lynch other scum.

The nudge on Dae that people have already covered. Not looking good in hindsight.

Ok, since so many have mentioned this I sorta tried hinting at the fact that it seemed like TMI at the time. Like he knew Notbob was going to flip town and give town absolutely zero reads. I did read the explanation of how mafia used to be played though, so I understand more where he was coming from.

I think it was Darthe who pointed this one out before about the hinting bit being a weird thing to do as a villager.

I know I've had ridiculously little time to play this game this weekend, and I've apologized for it. I went to bed after that post I made, and now I've read through the thread again. I will admit that I don't have the greatest reads on D1 too, as Darthe so lovingly pointed out. I'm volunteering for a church thing today, so I hope I'll get back before EOD.

 

Going to leave what I'm left with after quickly reading through the last ten pages, and if I have time before EOD I'll go through it again.

 

Wombat is my biggest town read so far. I like his level of engagement and WIM.

 

Dice seemed towny to start with, so I'll keep him there.

 

AJ, I wish I was sure about you, but I'm not yet. The faintest of town reads I guess for now.

 

With Darthe I need to go back and ISO before making a real opinion.

 

Sili does seem to lack WIM like somebody pointed out.

 

My biggest scum read for now is Dae, so I'm going to place my vote there in case I don't have time to get back before EOD.

 

[v]Dae[/v]

Some reads provided. The Wombat is given. The Dice bit will come into play more later. Darthe is null, notably, and she mentions Sili here as well without really giving her own take on him.

I went back and read John Snow, and I do agree that he seems to have lost his WIM somewhere along the way. I'm not sure I see anything outright scummy though.

Sort of a throwaway comment on Snow here.

 

 

Don't like this listing, particularly Dae being your biggest scum read with no reasoning at all.

Hallia, I believe I explained why I was leaning mafia on Dae more than once earlier in the thread.

Hallia may have been correct here seeing that she flipped villager. The vote on Dae was pretty non committal. Also the explanation as to why she had him as a scum read was never really fleshed out except that she was 'hinting' that he could have TMI regarding Not Bob. Might spew NB villager as well.

Right now I feel very confident with town reading Wombat. He seems to be making solid progress.

 

Dice/AJ feels a little off in their interaction. I'm not sure if that's a w/v or a w/w thing, but I doubt it's v/v.

 

Seph seemed very defensive early on, and he had that series of posts around EOD that almost sounded like TMI. Saying that wolves would be doing more to get people off a train kinda implies that wolves don't bus. Idk... maybe it's less normal to bus a team mate D1.

This is the bit I have been alluding to earlier. Here Sooh is saying that mine and Dice's intereaction probably isn't v/v but could be w/w. This contradicts her earlier defense and town reading of Dice as well has her town lean on me that she provided earlier. It was also this bit of info is a bit outdated at this point with the current going ons of the thread.

Darthe seems to be coming more into himself and shows a lot of WIM in my opinion. It makes me feel slightly more relaxed about him for now at least.

 

Thane has been a bit "going against the grain" throughout the game. I don't actively dislike it, I just wish there was something more besides just disagreeing with what seems to be thread consensus. Might be a townish move though.

 

NB is completely incomprehensible to me. I am trying to look for anything in his posts that will actually help town solve this game, but there's pretty much just a series of FOSes there. Leaning towards mafia with him, but I would appreciate some help as to how to interpret his posts.

 

Sili doesn't have much content to read him on. There are those short one syllable posts that makes him look suspicious to me, so I can see why people are voting there.

 

So, whoever is here right now: How do I read NB? I've been trying for a few games and I still have no clue.

 

At this point in time I would vote in the Seph/Sili/NB pool I think.

These may be important later once we have Sooh confirmed. Still seems to be keeping Darthe as a null read (perhaps because others ITT are keeping Darthe as a possible suspect; potential direction to move in later?)

 

The Thane bit I agree with for the most part.

 

Starts to cast suspicion on Not Bob in a way that doesn't really read as distancing to me. Could spew NB as a villager in the future, he attacked her pretty promptly over this.

 

There's also a bit of commentary on Sili since he was being brought up a lot but it's still non committal.

 

The WTL list looks like Seph (villa), Sili (confirmed wolf), and NB (potential villa).

 

She never did vote D2 so we don't know what direction she would've moved in here - could be a wolf stuck in a bad spot because town is running the thread.

 

 

Read him through his actions. Right now he is currently hunting scum and actively trying to put puzzle pieces together. You could help but instead you try to act all confused and stuff...wanting other people to put the pieces together...never really owning your own thoughts...so yeah.

 

Vote Sooh

I try to, but your actions confuse me. They seem like an endless range of pokes and prods and I don't really see how you're reaching conclusions from it, especially since you move on so quickly. It's an attempt to read you better, not to not own my reads.

The exchange between her and Not Bob where he attacks her for the read. Not sure I see this as w/w interaction personally so Sooh flipping red clears Not Bob I think.

 

 

 

 

Right now I feel very confident with town reading Wombat. He seems to be making solid progress.

 

Dice/AJ feels a little off in their interaction. I'm not sure if that's a w/v or a w/w thing, but I doubt it's v/v.

 

Seph seemed very defensive early on, and he had that series of posts around EOD that almost sounded like TMI. Saying that wolves would be doing more to get people off a train kinda implies that wolves don't bus. Idk... maybe it's less normal to bus a team mate D1.

You mention Dice/AJ right after saying I'm town but on a different line. Are you sheeping me here or not? I legit can't tell.

If I did then I'm not aware of it. They were just things that stood out to me. You've been clear town to me since the beginning of the game almost, and I've seen nothing to counter that yet.

Wombat calls her out for sheeping his reads, can't really say that I disagree.

 

 

 

 

Overall not a ton of stuff here. Some potential to clear other slots and it seems that she has Sili in mind with a lot of her posts which could indicate knowledge of their alignment together. I think Sooh is definitely a safe lynch that likely yields another dead wolf.

[Andrej]

For your reading pleasure.

[Darthe]

Turin/Darthe probably wins this honestly.

Well yeah, but that's not gonna be an issue.

[Darthe]

I think me and womby would win this game too :myrdraal:

[Darthe]

).) I hate mobile sometimes

[Darthe]

Turin let's skip the usual game entry stuff. Sooh boned you if you're town, tbh I think you need to claim and put all your attention into this game right now. Even a decent claim prob won't help if you aren't exacting and clear.

[Turin Turambar]

What's the point? You obviously can't defend Sooh's actions. But if you wish, I did an ISO a few pages back.

I cant explain what she did but I can see if the case makes any sense even if it is wrong.

 

Hardclaim: Chad Mulligan -Jailkeeper

 

Night 1: Seph

Night 2: AJ

 

I have no idea why Sooh chose those people as I didn't get added to the original PM.

[Darthe]

:/ to the actions but I actually believe that claim.

 

Trouble is it'll be hard to see if Sooh was using it for the Rb or doc

[Andrej]

Yeah idk about that one.

[Andrej]

 

Turin/Darthe probably wins this honestly.

Well yeah, but that's not gonna be an issue.

I meant if we lynched you.

[Turin Turambar]

Yeah idk about that one.

what causes disbelief?

[Andrej]

Character fits with the claim though and that's a dumb strong one to be fake. Thanks Wiki

 

Thus far we've seen a tendency for roles to match their characters. Mine certainly does.

 

I guess is safe toDay. Please read up and give your thoughts. It'll be nice to have you aboard.