American Gods Mafia [Advanced] - mafia win

[WWWwombat]

That might be it lol.

[Andrej]

 

Sili Quirrels has been lynched

 

He was The Intangibles, aligned with the New Gods (mafia) a goon

Requoting for my own amusement.

[Thane Vakarian]

It's nice to wake up to a flip like that

 

morning all

[Andrej]

Sooh ISO.

 

 

 

 

This thing that the N0 peek is a day action confuses me.. I always thought it was a random NA for N0. Clearly I'm not completely up to speed as to what everything is or isn't yet. 

 

I'm not quite sure what to make of these early votes and suspicions. I get that Darthe's peek was strange, but then again I'm not all clear on the mechanics. 

 

I don't know why you don't like Dice this game, AJ. I think he seems relaxed and villagery in this game. He has had a process which he showed us every step of. I like that about him. 

 

The bolded bit becomes more important later on. Early defense of Dice noted though. wolf Sooh = villager Dice?

 

Dae, 

 

I was unsure what to say about Seph, but I think you summarized it perfectly. He seemed almost a little too worried about that vote. Curious that he's more worried about that one than Sili's vote though.

 

This one is interesting. This probably spews Seph town if Sooh is a wolf. The important part here is that she's pointing out his reaction to Wombat's vote in comparison to Sili's. I could see this statement being made as Sooh in cahoots with Sili and some early linkage going on.

 

 

Im about to pop out for a few hours but does anyone know when/if Notbob is going to be active? Because at the moment he is an easy mafia kill n1 to deny us info, and if thats the case I'd rather lynch him and get the mafia to make a more difficult decision.

 

Just quickly read everything to catch up, and I'll have to go back and make reads. This stood out to me though. Why would this be a good lynch? Unless he's scum it's always more beneficial to try to lynch other scum.

 

The nudge on Dae that people have already covered. Not looking good in hindsight.

 

Ok, since so many have mentioned this I sorta tried hinting at the fact that it seemed like TMI at the time. Like he knew Notbob was going to flip town and give town absolutely zero reads. I did read the explanation of how mafia used to be played though, so I understand more where he was coming from. 

 

I think it was Darthe who pointed this one out before about the hinting bit being a weird thing to do as a villager.

 

I know I've had ridiculously little time to play this game this weekend, and I've apologized for it. I went to bed after that post I made, and now I've read through the thread again. I will admit that I don't have the greatest reads on D1 too, as Darthe so lovingly pointed out. I'm volunteering for a church thing today, so I hope I'll get back before EOD. 

 

Going to leave what I'm left with after quickly reading through the last ten pages, and if I have time before EOD I'll go through it again. 

 

Wombat is my biggest town read so far. I like his level of engagement and WIM. 

 

Dice seemed towny to start with, so I'll keep him there. 

 

AJ, I wish I was sure about you, but I'm not yet. The faintest of town reads I guess for now. 

 

With Darthe I need to go back and ISO before making a real opinion. 

 

Sili does seem to lack WIM like somebody pointed out. 

 

My biggest scum read for now is Dae, so I'm going to place my vote there in case I don't have time to get back before EOD. 

 

[v]Dae[/v]

 

Some reads provided. The Wombat is given. The Dice bit will come into play more later. Darthe is null, notably, and she mentions Sili here as well without really giving her own take on him.

 

I went back and read John Snow, and I do agree that he seems to have lost his WIM somewhere along the way. I'm not sure I see anything outright scummy though.

 

Sort of a throwaway comment on Snow here.

 

 

Don't like this listing, particularly Dae being your biggest scum read with no reasoning at all.

 

Hallia, I believe I explained why I was leaning mafia on Dae  more than once earlier in the thread.

 

Hallia may have been correct here seeing that she flipped villager. The vote on Dae was pretty non committal. Also the explanation as to why she had him as a scum read was never really fleshed out except that she was 'hinting' that he could have TMI regarding Not Bob. Might spew NB villager as well. 

 

Right now I feel very confident with town reading Wombat. He seems to be making solid progress. 

 

Dice/AJ feels a little off in their interaction. I'm not sure if that's a w/v or a w/w thing, but I doubt it's v/v. 

 

Seph seemed very defensive early on, and he had that series of posts around EOD that almost sounded like TMI. Saying that wolves would be doing more to get people off a train kinda implies that wolves don't bus. Idk... maybe it's less normal to bus a team mate D1.

 

This is the bit I have been alluding to earlier. Here Sooh is saying that mine and Dice's intereaction probably isn't v/v but could be w/w. This contradicts her earlier defense and town reading of Dice as well has her town lean on me that she provided earlier. It was also this bit of info is a bit outdated at this point with the current going ons of the thread.

 

Darthe seems to be coming more into himself and shows a lot of WIM in my opinion. It makes me feel slightly more relaxed about him for now at least. 

 

Thane has been a bit "going against the grain" throughout the game. I don't actively dislike it, I just wish there was something more besides just disagreeing with what seems to be thread consensus. Might be a townish move though. 

 

NB is completely incomprehensible to me. I am trying to look for anything in his posts that will actually help town solve this game, but there's pretty much just a series of FOSes there. Leaning towards mafia with him, but I would appreciate some help as to how to interpret his posts.

 

Sili doesn't have much content to read him on. There are those short one syllable posts that makes him look suspicious to me, so I can see why people are voting there.

 

So, whoever is here right now: How do I read NB? I've been trying for a few games and I still have no clue. 

 

At this point in time I would vote in the Seph/Sili/NB pool I think. 

 

These may be important later once we have Sooh confirmed. Still seems to be keeping Darthe as a null read (perhaps because others ITT are keeping Darthe as a possible suspect; potential direction to move in later?)

 

The Thane bit I agree with for the most part.

 

Starts to cast suspicion on Not Bob in a way that doesn't really read as distancing to me. Could spew NB as a villager in the future, he attacked her pretty promptly over this.

 

There's also a bit of commentary on Sili since he was being brought up a lot but it's still non committal.

 

The WTL list looks like Seph (villa), Sili (confirmed wolf), and NB (potential villa).

 

She never did vote D2 so we don't know what direction she would've moved in here - could be a wolf stuck in a bad spot because town is running the thread.

 

 

Read him through his actions.  Right now he is currently hunting scum and actively trying to put puzzle pieces together.  You could help but instead you try to act all confused and stuff...wanting other people to put the pieces together...never really owning your own thoughts...so yeah.

 

Vote Sooh

 

I try to, but your actions confuse me. They seem like an endless range of pokes and prods and I don't really see how you're reaching conclusions from it, especially since you move on so quickly. It's an attempt to read you better, not to not own my reads.

 

The exchange between her and Not Bob where he attacks her for the read. Not sure I see this as w/w interaction personally so Sooh flipping red clears Not Bob I think.

 

 

 

Right now I feel very confident with town reading Wombat. He seems to be making solid progress. 

 

Dice/AJ feels a little off in their interaction. I'm not sure if that's a w/v or a w/w thing, but I doubt it's v/v. 

 

Seph seemed very defensive early on, and he had that series of posts around EOD that almost sounded like TMI. Saying that wolves would be doing more to get people off a train kinda implies that wolves don't bus. Idk... maybe it's less normal to bus a team mate D1.

 

You mention Dice/AJ right after saying I'm town but on a different line.  Are you sheeping me here or not?  I legit can't tell.

 

If I did then I'm not aware of it. They were just things that stood out to me. You've been clear town to me since the beginning of the game almost, and I've seen nothing to counter that yet.

 

Wombat calls her out for sheeping his reads, can't really say that I disagree.

 

 

 

 

Overall not a ton of stuff here. Some potential to clear other slots and it seems that she has Sili in mind with a lot of her posts which could indicate knowledge of their alignment together. I think Sooh is definitely a safe lynch that likely yields another dead wolf.

[Andrej]

It's nice to wake up to a flip like that

 

morning all

 

Good morning.

 

It is nice, isn't it?

 

Does that at least put a stop to your tinfoil theory? I'd like to see where your head is at now with a dead wolf in the open.

[Thane Vakarian]

Well, we do have a dead wolf, which is awesome. And, Sooh indeed looks like a good choice after this one.

 

The third one, however, would be more difficult to find. I guess, when N1 is done, we'll be able to have a clearer view. 

 

All in all, good feels in this game

[Andrej]

Well, we do have a dead wolf, which is awesome. And, Sooh indeed looks like a good choice after this one.

 

The third one, however, would be more difficult to find. I guess, when N1 is done, we'll be able to have a clearer view. 

 

All in all, good feels in this game

 

Pretty sure I'll just be dead when D3 starts 

[Thane Vakarian]

hopefully not, would like to reach endgame with ya

[Thane Vakarian]

forgot, it's N2 now. My bad. Mixed two games up 

[seph]

Aj who is the other active wolf then?

[Andrej]

Aj who is the other active wolf then?

 

Not sure yet.

 

You may have to get through Sooh's lynch and the NK afterwards to really be able to narrow it down - as of right now I'm not sure.

 

I want to look at Sili's ISO to see if anything else stands out to me, but for now I'm most confident Sooh is the next likely wolf.

[BFG]

Good morning :)

 

 

 

Roughly 13 hours left to send in any actions.

[Andrej]

Sili ISO post flip.

 

 

 

 

morning, happy to be here, and etc.

 

I have a feeling seph is a wolf.

 

[v]Seph[/v]

 

Still don't think Sili pulls this with Seph as w/w. I'm content keeping Seph in my greens moving forward. Like I stated earlier when Sili was arguing he can't 'fake' cases as a wolf, this stance he took here wasn't a hard one to fake.

 

Conflicting thoughts on seph. On one hand he has good tone, meaning he seems to believe what he's saying, but on the other some things he says are ridiculous or very defensive.

 

wombat snipes, but he posts to get reactions and he's moving his vote around. although i think it's prudent to not lock him in as town, since i will acknowledge the strength his scum game, it's probably safe not to talk about him.

 

[unvote]

 

darthe, dae, john, or aj are good places to look next.

 

with respect to dice, i've seen wolves brush mistakes off as reaction tests before, so that pings me, but otherwise his tone and attitude means he's probably town.

 

Interesting reads here. He backs of Seph for tone but maintains he comes across over defensive. Town reads Wombo, which has became the status quo, and then talks about Dice being a likely villager.

 

The part I have a question on is whether I think Sili as a wolf lists 4 villagers in his group to investigate. John and Dae are flipped, I know what I am and I still have reasonable suspicion of Darthe. So if this is 4/4 with townies, the most important part is who he isn't talking about.

 

Not Bob, Thane, Sooh.

 

 

Ok so gimme some substance then. Why those four?

 

they're people i'm ambivalent towards or tilted by.

 

I'm baffled that this is what you're scum reading me for.

 

seems he's frustrated at the reason, not the scum read.

 

dae seems to be talking a lot about the mechanics early.

 

i haven't read john beyond his response to me, but he's a hot topic. @john, tell me about what sort of person u r. atm i don't have a good grip on your slot.

 

aj, u did a similar thing with yates when u were a wolf, where u were convinced he was scum based on some small slip.

 

I pointed this out earlier for the low effort I felt it brought. I'm not sure how I feel about the explanation regarding Darthe, as I mentioned earlier. I don't see what one's dislike of the reason for being scum read matters over the being scum read itself. Darthe is advanced enough to know that he will be misread because villagers (if Seph is one) can often be wrong from their singular POV.

 

 

Sili, you have one throwing axe.  Who do you blót?

cop aj or darthe
shoot whoever seems to be the lowest on the totem pole. that seems to be sooh.

 

Keeps me and Darthe as his top two suspects but talks about shooting Sooh here. Distancing?

 

oh, you mean who do i want to shoot.

uhm, not seph. probably aj or darthe even though they're good players.

 

Again with me and Darthe, but this time as vig shots. More notably says he wouldn't kill Seph... I'm thinking perhaps this is more a consistency thing than anything else. Sili had to fake town reads on some players.

 

they're not strong reads, but top suspects, or ppl who give me the worst vibes right now... sure.

 

Could just be BS for having both me and Darthe as suspects. Could be distancing? Something to keep in mind.

 

 

So overall, AJ and Darthe are your top two and Sooh is a vig shot candidate?

I haven't actually read sooh, and I have no idea what you mean when you say she nudged dae. I'll probably check it out when i wake up tomorrow, and then decide who to vote.

But i do subscribe to the belief that a vig. is there to eliminate the suspect pool, not to take hero shots.

 

Claims to have no read on Sooh or the most notable thing against her at the time. This looks like Sili avoiding having to give a legit read on her slot.

 

morning Thane, y can't i remember any of your posts this game even though i've just skimmed them? my brain isn't picking up details.

 

1-2 wolves.

 

Distancing maybe? Making some off hand comment? I can't really tell. The 1-2 wolves bit talks about the people on his wagon which iirc were me, Seph, Darthe and Thane respectively.

 

i think,

 

wombat

dice

nb

 

seph

thane

 

darthe

aj

sooh

 

1 from middle, 2 from bottom ~70%.

 

Find the scum imo.

 

Has Sooh as his bottom despite claiming earlier to have not read her and continues maintaining his suspicion of me and Darthe. I think part of this may have been Sili seeing other players floating the idea Darthe and I were wolfing together or held us as potential deep wolves. Still not clearing for Darthe imo - but certainly notable. I'm pretty comfortable thinking none of this green reads are teammates and that it'll come down to Sooh, Thane, Darthe based on this list.

 

 

 

vote seph cause I can

 

unvote   vote sili for ninjaing me

 

Dice's above op suggests he is being free-flowing and emotional if you look at the time stamps.

 

Although wolves can sometimes emulate aspects of their play style, it looks genuine.

 

Personally i've always taken dice for the careful wolf.

 

Seriously though nobody had a good intro

 

I thought it was okay for page 1.  My own op wasn't super great. but I don't understand your conclusion they're all bad. It feels like a blanket read, and overall pretty pointless  -_-

 

For Sili I wish I was a wolf so that I wouldn't actually have to try and figure you out.

 

are you still having trouble, or is the strength of your tunnel motivating you onwards?

 

that said, i do appreciate that you gave me a bit of breathing room, but i think this post is inconsistent with all your other various comments to the affect of what my meta should be based on one game.

 

and of course, we've played more than that one game together, and obviously there are big differences, but u know u don't know me well enough to read me right -_-

 

lol

 

I realised afterwards by re reading you that i was wrong.

 

I left it there on purpose.  welcome you to Team Town

 

unvote

 

sounds like bs, and seems like something dice might do as scum if he's feeling defensive.

 

 

Yeah that sounds like some garbage Dice. True enough you "reaction test" but that's in the form of a straight forward question. Here you're saying you intentionally left a mistake to see what the outcome would be. If the mistake was that obvious John could've answered the same as either alignment so I don't see what you were hoping to gain there.

ditto

 

although not sure about the last part. reaction tests are generally there to garner content.

 

 

Thane you seem townish. Not a bad point regarding Snow fwiw regarding your post frequency.

Dice I'm not mafia. You kind of answered for yourself why we're off to a bad start this game. I'm not at all convinced you're scum yet after getting over my initial omgus feelings the way you're fighting back with teeth bared is probably villagery for you. I'm dropping it.

 

=/  irony

 

 

Anyway, he backs off dice a little fast. I'm not sure what was gained from the sequenced either. On a related note, AJ, do you have to try to avoid actively tunneling ppl as a villager?

 

-snip-

 

additional thoughts,

 

despite what i said earlier about thinking dice is town, mostly based on tone, i think early day 1 does look bad for him.

 

want details on aj's meta. moving him up to orange.

 

 

 

 

Interesting bits here. This was after Sili was put at L-1 and started to pretend to do work, so I'm not sure how much to really look into it. Could be full on anti-spew, so take it with a grain of salt. Here it seems the main point he is pushing is that he's recanting his previous town read on Dice and saying that he looks bad for D1. 

 

ya, def a wolf.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]darthe[/v]

 

This was after Darthe called Sili out for a bus vote - which only further shows how poorly he tried to play his claim out. Not ruling out distancing here but I'm not sure I believe Sili goes 2/2 voting teammates in his dying moments.

 

Wifom tho

 

 

Yeah sili.... i'm not buying it...

 

 

But assuming ur town what can i do to help you help me help us? I don't know how to make it any clearer.

 

Was my play perfect? Probably not. Real life got in the way as well, in my defense though. Did I try to get better at being a cop? Yes.

 

Not sure how to feel about this exchange. It legit sounds like Sili is talking to Thane here knowing he's a villager.

 

 

 

 

Some of the analysis is a little muddied because once Sili got to L-1 he started to talk more, so could be anti-spew and I'm not sure if he thought he'd be able to swing the lynch elsewhere if he started to push on someone else.

 

He literally never interacts with Sooh and at one point mentions that he 'hasn't read her' to what looks like to me an attempt to avoid giving a read on her despite saying he'd shoot her as a vig target. This is also inconsistent with his later placement of her in his reads list where he has her as his #1 scum read. Seriously - lynch her next.

 

I think his flip spews players like Seph as not a partner for his handling of him. I also think it's likely him and Dice aren't partners either, but I'm not sure how much I would bet on that when seeing how Dice was absent yesterDay and talked about being willing to hammer. Not Bob is another possibility but if Sooh flips wolf I think that will eliminate him based on their interactions. I'm a bit undecided on Thane. I want him to be a villager here but I could see his vote putting Sili at L-1 as a distancing thing if they decided prior to that Sili was definitely not wiggling out of the rope. I sort of want to clear Darthe for Sili keeping him as a scum read most of the game as I think he may have been playing to thread consensus and sheeping Seph/Wombat but I don't want to eliminate the possibility entirely. I've been having a hard time feeling secure in town reading Darthe, personally, but I don't think he needs to be an immediate lynch in any case.

 

I think the likelihood of Sili's partners falls within:

 

Sooh

Thane

Dice

Darthe

 

If Sooh isn't a wolf then I think that puts Not Bob up there as the hammer thing was a bit showy and could've been a way to make himself look good while bussing a wolf bro.

[Thane Vakarian]

you don't need to worry, i just wanted a wolf dead when putting Sili at -1.

[Andrej]

 

Sili can we get a reads list from you

 

Ya sure.

 

Town wombat

Null to town dice notbob

Null thane sooh

Null to scum aj darthe

 

This one got screwed up while I was formatting the ISO - but this was when I was the only one voting Sili at the time and his wagon picked up because shortly after Seph and Darthe joined. This one may be a bit more reliable than his last reads since he wasn't really in danger yet.

 

A popular place for scum to place their partners is in this null section, so this doesn't look good for Sooh and Thane here - especially when coupled with how I notice now his avoidance of mentioning them earlier in the game with his list of 4 suspects that weren't "really suspects" once he unvoted Seph.

[Andrej]

That's all for me tonight.

 

Sweet dreams village of mine <3

[Thane Vakarian]

AJ, bro... stop the tinfoiling *nods* i wholeheartedly agree that Sooh looks bad, but if there's another wolf besides her, it surely ain't me. 

[Thane Vakarian]

sweet dreams AJ

 

Sleep well and wake

[dicetosser1]

ok you lot heres a thing. I live in AUSTRALIA! I posted that thing about waiting til tomorrow to hammer at like 8 30 at night, went to bed. Got up late so bolted for work at 6. Seph gets me prodded before 7am  Gimme a break. anyone'd think i weas gone for a week!

 

Sorry i havent been here todasy but first day back at work after 2 weeks = me getting slammed.

 

Aj     I also think it's likely him and Dice aren't partners either, but I'm not sure how much I would bet on that when seeing how Dice was absent yesterDay and talked about being willing to hammer

 

Bet the House bro. Cause you will win

[dicetosser1]

I have been reading when i can at work but really need to reread it. Problem is i have baseball training tonight so wont get at it til tomorrow

[Thane Vakarian]

i'd say: take your time, dice. I think we're pretty sure who our next target for a lynch will be anyways. 

[Darthe]

I have been reading when i can at work but really need to reread it. Problem is i have baseball training tonight so wont get at it til tomorrow

They have baseball in Australia?

 

 

 

Some of the analysis is a little muddied because once Sili got to L-1 he started to talk more, so could be anti-spew and I'm not sure if he thought he'd be able to swing the lynch elsewhere if he started to push on someone else.

 

He literally never interacts with Sooh and at one point mentions that he 'hasn't read her' to what looks like to me an attempt to avoid giving a read on her despite saying he'd shoot her as a vig target. This is also inconsistent with his later placement of her in his reads list where he has her as his #1 scum read. Seriously - lynch her next.

 

I think his flip spews players like Seph as not a partner for his handling of him. I also think it's likely him and Dice aren't partners either, but I'm not sure how much I would bet on that when seeing how Dice was absent yesterDay and talked about being willing to hammer. Not Bob is another possibility but if Sooh flips wolf I think that will eliminate him based on their interactions. I'm a bit undecided on Thane. I want him to be a villager here but I could see his vote putting Sili at L-1 as a distancing thing if they decided prior to that Sili was definitely not wiggling out of the rope. I sort of want to clear Darthe for Sili keeping him as a scum read most of the game as I think he may have been playing to thread consensus and sheeping Seph/Wombat but I don't want to eliminate the possibility entirely. I've been having a hard time feeling secure in town reading Darthe, personally, but I don't think he needs to be an immediate lynch in any case.

 

I think the likelihood of Sili's partners falls within:

 

Sooh

Thane

Dice

Darthe

 

If Sooh isn't a wolf then I think that puts Not Bob up there as the hammer thing was a bit showy and could've been a way to make himself look good while bussing a wolf bro.

I have almost the same list but Notbob where you have me at.  Otherwise it'd have to be Seph and that's just not likely based on his EoD.  But yeah Sooh was an easy lynch candidate even before this.

[BFG]

Sooh has asked to sub out :(

 

I had a couple of people volunteer to be backup earlier in the game, so I'm contacting them to see if they're still interested.

 

Hopefully I'll hear back soon.

[dicetosser1]

yes they do and no im not as good as i rember being darthe lol

 

 

I have a concern that sooh might be TOO easy.

[Thane Vakarian]

... oh great... umm... well, do we give Sooh's replacement a chance, or not?