House of Cards

[Andrej]

Verb who are the remaining wolves?

[Verbal32]

Verb who are the remaining wolves?

 

No idea, I'm a villager, yo.

[Verbal32]

But I'll wager a guess that my reads list should tell you what I'm thinking?

[Yates]

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Please vote yeah or nay in bold font in-thread to support or reject this Bill. This Bill requires 2/3 approval [6 votes] to pass.

 

Go go Democracy!

 

[Andrej]

YEAH

[Verbal32]

NAY

[Verbal32]

I demand my time in the limelight!

[Verbal32]

[v]Yates[/v]

 

And to think I fixed the "." on your name, too!

[Clovdyx]

....If this comes back to bite me in the ass, so be it.

 

[v]Kaylee[/v]

 

Cory asked me earlier which wolf he was misclearing - I will put one hulahoop on it being her.  AJ's comment about him and Cory made me go back and re-evaluate votes, and I think she was actually the one who thought Cory might have had a peek.  Not certain because he didn't REALLY start getting at Wombat until later.  This was the vote:

 

 

Since I'll busy later and tomorrow

[v]Wombat[/v]


I should be able to get on this afternoon.

 

 

Without context, nothing seems off about that.  But this is how she handled him prior to that point:

 

In response to Verbal's case about Wombat's "Kaylee progression":

 

 

 

That's a good point and I look forward to hearing the response. (This is where I'm at catching up).

Once I'm fully caught up I'll do a few ISO's and put out a reads list... there's a few that I need to read back over first.

 

In response to Wombat's explanation:

 

 

 

I can understand this thought process. I don't have a read on Wombat yet but I kinda get what he's saying here.

 

After doing an ISO:

 

Wombat- Didn't see a reason for the AJ vote it on Tress. I know it's Wombat but still. In This post you say you're WTL Sooh, yet earlier you didn't like her train and it was a "thin" wagon. What changed? You mention you don't like her AtE and then ask her if she meant gut instead of soul read... make the anti-spew comment and the next comment on her is your WTL. Just seems like up to that point there's things you don't like about how she's posting. Ok i get that. Does that mean you no longer find her wagon thin? 

 

 

Quoting Wombat's post here for context.

 

 

Kaylee, I absolutely adore you this game and in general, but please don't do that color inside quotes thing.

It was the easiest way to show what my reply was. On mobile and trying to be clear.

I like you too, not sure about you this game though.

 

 

Early on D2, there was a large reads list which had Wombat, Cory, and me in a category called "need to sort out" (in that order).  Followed it up with this:

 

 

I could go with Wombat or Clov at this point...neither are town for me

 

 

This is part of a bigger post by her.

 

Clov later changed the argument to being that I chose Tress and that it was seer cover, but that wasn't his orignal push.

Also, Wombat chimed in after I explained what happened and pushed that it wad the seer cover thing. Doesn't make me feel better about him b/c at that point I had already explained that the original push was something different.
 

 

From all of this, I don't see why she parked on Wombat so early.  She didn't even attempt to swing a lynch in my favor, despite seemingly being incredibly opposed to me this game.  She did the same thing with Verbal (I'm pulling those next)

[Cory Caboose]

If that was true then you'd have been the NK target last night, right?

 

I am guessing Leelou's willingness to work with me irt to Wombat was probably what gave her more seer equity than me

[Yates]

On the Proposition to Amend Article 2 Section 1 Paragraph 1 of the Game Setup Post

 

Yeah: Andrej

Nay: Verbal32

 

6 Votes Required for Passage.

[Kaylee]

 

 

Is Verbal lolcatting enough that I don't need to continue these giant posts? Between the thunderdome comment and his "no u" towards Nyn, I feel like he's just trolling at this point.

Let's be honest - there was never anything I could post today that was going to result in anything other than my lynch. I'm not naive enough to think otherwise. I think Cass is a wolf because she's posted lots of responses to people asking questions, but I don't recall her actually creating anything herself (i.e. no scumhunting and only either chiming in or responding to questions). I think Kaylee is a wolf because she townread me (accurately) and only switched once the thread leaders did (i.e. go with the flow).

 

 

 

[v]Verb[/v]

 

And to think we had something D1

I'm sorry.

 

 

 

Verb you were Thugonomics in Tom's malware game on VS?

Yes.

Nope Kaylee is town. I thought you sounded town but my top town read Nyn didn't. Therfore I read what she had to say and agreed she made good points. The fact that you had Womby as a high % a wolf but voted Cass whom you only had at 5%, doesn't fit.

[Clovdyx]

Today she's voting Verbal.   This is her progression on Verbal this game:

 

 

 

I will throw out Kaylee, Darthe, and Verb as town though. Probably could not be talked into lynching either of them D1, barring a massive slip. Right now, I'd be torn between Nyn and Leelou but without much confidence on either.

Any particular reason you picked them? They joked a lot but I haven't seen much else from them.

 

 

Not seeing what I found townie about him incredibly early.

 

 

Verbal32- I've liked some is what he's said... Leaning town
 

 

Townie later D1.

 

 

Similar to mine

Nyn
Verb
Lee
Tress
AJ
Cass (for thé points Nyn made)
Null on Dice

Need to sort out:

Wombat
Cory
Clov

 

 

Green reading him early D2.

 

 

Nyn is making good points about Verb. I don't read him as well so I'll trust these and see what he had to say in response

 

 

Backs down on a little on her own stance based on what Nyn was saying.

 

 

 

before i reread, just restarting the PoE, from the hip

dicetosser

Bewbs McGee
Kaylee
Andrej
Songstress
Clovdyx

Verbal32
Cass

I'm not sure on Clov, or AJ... but otherwise I agree with this list.

 

 

Null on him as of last night.

 

 

 

 

Nyn can you remind me who you fakepeeked on d2?

N0 you
N1 dice


Someone who knows me and Lee very well is on the scum team. We had the same seer cover and both supported you vs. Wombat.


[V]verbal[/v]


I don't think Cass is scum btw. BUT.... it bugs me that verb made a point of sitting on a vote on her most of D2. But at the same time I think Verb and Wombat did try to spark up a train on her (to be verified later). I think the last remaining scum could be one of AJ/Clov and I'm leaning more towards Clov.

About where I'm at.

My bottom is: (feel best about Verb being scum and a lot less sure on Cass).


Verb
AJ/Clov (put them together as I'm equally unsure)
Cass

 

 

Earlier today, she's now his biggest scumread.  I'm not sure exactly where that came from, because it seems like she's been feeling decent about him all game.  Certainly better than she's been feeling about me since...oh...the game began?  

 

Adjusting reads is protown, but it seems like she's pretty much followed everybody on all three lynches so far - Sooh, Wombat, and now Verbal.  She hasn't even attempted to get votes in my direction, despite the fact she's been suspicious of me the entire time.  

 

Now, I might overlook that normally, but she said this earlier.

 

 

 

Verbal is almost certainly mafia IMO. He made a lot of effort to keep Wombat as a mafia suspect, but I really don't see any work towards getting a Wombat lynch. The strongest argument he made was Wombat's progression on Kaylee on D1 (which I didn't think was too bad) then moved on Cass D2.

That's consistent with his theory there would be one mafia between Cass-Sooh, but he later told somebody (Nyn?) that he's been 90% on Wombat all game and 5% on Cass. If that's the case, why did he limp on Wombat?

Your second part is what really made me wonder on him. Doesn't fit. Why not go after your biggest scum read?

 

 

Yeah...I guess technically she's been doing that, but she's done little that follow the wagons on these "biggest scum reads" and done nothing to resolve anybody else.  

 

 

I'm not ruling out her being mafia WITH Verbal and just abandoning ship once she knew he was going down today, but I'm interested to see how certain people respond to this.

[Clovdyx]

Yeah...I guess technically she's been doing that, but she's done little but follow the wagons on these "biggest scum reads" and done nothing to resolve anybody else.  

 

 

I'm not ruling out her being mafia WITH Verbal and just abandoning ship once she knew he was going down today, but I'm interested to see how certain people respond to this.

 

FTFM

[Verbal32]

YEAH

 

 

On the Proposition to Amend Article 2 Section 1 Paragraph 1 of the Game Setup Post

 

Yeah: Clovdyx

Nay: Verbal32

 

6 Votes Required for Passage.

 

I vote to impeach this mod on the grounds that he can't read.

 

 

 

 

 

Is Verbal lolcatting enough that I don't need to continue these giant posts? Between the thunderdome comment and his "no u" towards Nyn, I feel like he's just trolling at this point.

Let's be honest - there was never anything I could post today that was going to result in anything other than my lynch. I'm not naive enough to think otherwise. I think Cass is a wolf because she's posted lots of responses to people asking questions, but I don't recall her actually creating anything herself (i.e. no scumhunting and only either chiming in or responding to questions). I think Kaylee is a wolf because she townread me (accurately) and only switched once the thread leaders did (i.e. go with the flow).

 

 

 

[v]Verb[/v]

 

And to think we had something D1

I'm sorry.

 

 

 

Verb you were Thugonomics in Tom's malware game on VS?

Yes.

Nope Kaylee is town. I thought you sounded town but my top town read Nyn didn't. Therfore I read what she had to say and agreed she made good points. The fact that you had Womby as a high % a wolf but voted Cass whom you only had at 5%, doesn't fit.

 

 

So, yeah, I thought the % joke was an obvious joke.  Apparently not.

[Clovdyx]

YEAH

 

 

On the Proposition to Amend Article 2 Section 1 Paragraph 1 of the Game Setup Post

 

Yeah: Clovdyx

Nay: Verbal32

 

6 Votes Required for Passage.

 

Your democracy sucks.

[Nynaeve]

...Nyn...why did you and Hallia vote Wombat?

 

My POE, as indicated by my read list was 4 people. You, Verbal, Wombat and AJ.

 

Wombat actually didn't look as bad as the rest of you from memory (which I also pointed out in my read list post). I did my ISOs. Started with Verbal's which looked like crap and made me wonder why so many people were reading him as town. I ISOed you and was more or less at the same place I was before I did that. ie I still wasn't a huge fan of you but I didn't find anything that made me feel better or worse about you in general. But if I recall you did address some stuff I said. I ISoed AJ and found some things that bugged me, which he addressed.

 

I was going to ISO Wombat next but the way he came at Cory made him look pretty horrible. Had it not been for that I prolly would have gone for Verbal yesterday (bar finding terrible stuff in his ISO). But as I was talking about this with Halli in our QT we were both feeling really good about Cory and didn't feel like we made a mistake by picking him as our seer cover. And considering Wombat was taking it in the direction of a thunderdome between him and Cory, we were going to side with Cory 100% of the time.

[Nynaeve]

Yeah (even though I'll be sleeping)

[Verbal32]

 

 

Is Verbal lolcatting enough that I don't need to continue these giant posts? Between the thunderdome comment and his "no u" towards Nyn, I feel like he's just trolling at this point.

Let's be honest - there was never anything I could post today that was going to result in anything other than my lynch. I'm not naive enough to think otherwise. I think Cass is a wolf because she's posted lots of responses to people asking questions, but I don't recall her actually creating anything herself (i.e. no scumhunting and only either chiming in or responding to questions). I think Kaylee is a wolf because she townread me (accurately) and only switched once the thread leaders did (i.e. go with the flow).

 

 

 

[v]Verb[/v]

 

And to think we had something D1

I'm sorry.

 

 

 

Verb you were Thugonomics in Tom's malware game on VS?

Yes.

Nope Kaylee is town. I thought you sounded town but my top town read Nyn didn't. Therfore I read what she had to say and agreed she made good points. The fact that you had Womby as a high % a wolf but voted Cass whom you only had at 5%, doesn't fit.

 

 

But I was your #2 town read.  Do you always just follow the #1 and not consider they might be wrong?

[Kaylee]

....If this comes back to bite me in the ass, so be it.

 

[v]Kaylee[/v]

 

Cory asked me earlier which wolf he was misclearing - I will put one hulahoop on it being her. AJ's comment about him and Cory made me go back and re-evaluate votes, and I think she was actually the one who thought Cory might have had a peek. Not certain because he didn't REALLY start getting at Wombat until later. This was the vote:

 

 

 

 

Since I'll busy later and tomorrow

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

 

I should be able to get on this afternoon.

 

Without context, nothing seems off about that. But this is how she handled him prior to that point:

 

In response to Verbal's case about Wombat's "Kaylee progression":

That's a good point and I look forward to hearing the response. (This is where I'm at catching up).

 

Once I'm fully caught up I'll do a few ISO's and put out a reads list... there's a few that I need to read back over first.

In response to Wombat's explanation:

I can understand this thought process. I don't have a read on Wombat yet but I kinda get what he's saying here.

After doing an ISO:

Wombat- Didn't see a reason for the AJ vote it on Tress. I know it's Wombat but still. In This post you say you're WTL Sooh, yet earlier you didn't like her train and it was a "thin" wagon. What changed? You mention you don't like her AtE and then ask her if she meant gut instead of soul read... make the anti-spew comment and the next comment on her is your WTL. Just seems like up to that point there's things you don't like about how she's posting. Ok i get that. Does that mean you no longer find her wagon thin?

 

Quoting Wombat's post here for context.

 

 

Kaylee, I absolutely adore you this game and in general, but please don't do that color inside quotes thing.

It was the easiest way to show what my reply was. On mobile and trying to be clear.

 

I like you too, not sure about you this game though.

Early on D2, there was a large reads list which had Wombat, Cory, and me in a category called "need to sort out" (in that order). Followed it up with this:

 

 

I could go with Wombat or Clov at this point...neither are town for me

 

This is part of a bigger post by her.

 

Clov later changed the argument to being that I chose Tress and that it was seer cover, but that wasn't his orignal push.

 

Also, Wombat chimed in after I explained what happened and pushed that it wad the seer cover thing. Doesn't make me feel better about him b/c at that point I had already explained that the original push was something different.

 

From all of this, I don't see why she parked on Wombat so early. She didn't even attempt to swing a lynch in my favor, despite seemingly being incredibly opposed to me this game. She did the same thing with Verbal (I'm pulling those next)

I felt either of you could wolf, as you pulled the quote to show.

 

I voted Wombat because I felt better about him being a wolf. I'm town. I have voiced my opinions and yes, some of them are following Nyn. She's my strongest town read and had been since D1. If someone makes a good case or point I'll say so.

[Nynaeve]

The only problem with your premise, Clov, is that I have seen Kaylee follow her town reads more often than her own as town. So.... yeah. You're pointing it out as if it's something new.

[Yates]

On the Proposition to Amend Article 2 Section 1 Paragraph 1 of the Game Setup Post

 

Yeah: Andrej, Bewbs McGee

Nay: Verbal32

 

6 Votes Required for Passage.

[Verbal32]

The only problem with your premise, Clov, is that I have seen Kaylee follow her town reads more often than her own as town. So.... yeah. You're pointing it out as if it's something new.

 

She had you as her #1 town and me as her #2 based on that list Clov quoted.  That's pretty interesting.

[Kaylee]

Today she's voting Verbal. This is her progression on Verbal this game:

 

 

 

 

 

I will throw out Kaylee, Darthe, and Verb as town though. Probably could not be talked into lynching either of them D1, barring a massive slip. Right now, I'd be torn between Nyn and Leelou but without much confidence on either.

Any particular reason you picked them? They joked a lot but I haven't seen much else from them.

Not seeing what I found townie about him incredibly early.

 

 

Verbal32- I've liked some is what he's said... Leaning town

 

Townie later D1.

 

 

Similar to mineNyn

Verb

Lee

Tress

AJ

Cass (for thé points Nyn made)

Null on Dice

 

Need to sort out:

 

Wombat

Cory

Clov

Green reading him early D2.

 

 

Nyn is making good points about Verb. I don't read him as well so I'll trust these and see what he had to say in response

 

Backs down on a little on her own stance based on what Nyn was saying.

 

 

 

before i reread, just restarting the PoE, from the hip

 

dicetosser

 

Bewbs McGee

Kaylee

Andrej

Songstress

Clovdyx

 

Verbal32

Cass

I'm not sure on Clov, or AJ... but otherwise I agree with this list.

Null on him as of last night.

 

 

 

 

Nyn can you remind me who you fakepeeked on d2?

N0 you

N1 dice

 

 

Someone who knows me and Lee very well is on the scum team. We had the same seer cover and both supported you vs. Wombat.

 

 

[V]verbal[/v]

 

 

I don't think Cass is scum btw. BUT.... it bugs me that verb made a point of sitting on a vote on her most of D2. But at the same time I think Verb and Wombat did try to spark up a train on her (to be verified later). I think the last remaining scum could be one of AJ/Clov and I'm leaning more towards Clov.

About where I'm at.

 

My bottom is: (feel best about Verb being scum and a lot less sure on Cass).

 

 

Verb

AJ/Clov (put them together as I'm equally unsure)

Cass

Earlier today, she's now his biggest scumread. I'm not sure exactly where that came from, because it seems like she's been feeling decent about him all game. Certainly better than she's been feeling about me since...oh...the game began?

 

Adjusting reads is protown, but it seems like she's pretty much followed everybody on all three lynches so far - Sooh, Wombat, and now Verbal. She hasn't even attempted to get votes in my direction, despite the fact she's been suspicious of me the entire time.

 

Now, I might overlook that normally, but she said this earlier.

 

 

 

Verbal is almost certainly mafia IMO. He made a lot of effort to keep Wombat as a mafia suspect, but I really don't see any work towards getting a Wombat lynch. The strongest argument he made was Wombat's progression on Kaylee on D1 (which I didn't think was too bad) then moved on Cass D2.

 

That's consistent with his theory there would be one mafia between Cass-Sooh, but he later told somebody (Nyn?) that he's been 90% on Wombat all game and 5% on Cass. If that's the case, why did he limp on Wombat?

Your second part is what really made me wonder on him. Doesn't fit. Why not go after your biggest scum read?

Yeah...I guess technically she's been doing that, but she's done little that follow the wagons on these "biggest scum reads" and done nothing to resolve anybody else.

 

 

I'm not ruling out her being mafia WITH Verbal and just abandoning ship once she knew he was going down today, but I'm interested to see how certain people respond to this.

Regarding Verb, my change on him is easy to see if you read the thread. Nyn made a case against him, i liked it as it made sense to me. I said as much. Put that with the fact that he had Womby at a high % to be scum yet voted for his 5% scum lean and it's obvious why he's my top scum read. I vote my top scum read.

[Nynaeve]

But I was your #2 town read.  Do you always just follow the #1 and not consider they might be wrong?

 

She totally does.