House of Cards

[Darthe]

Don't fight guys.  If I have mis-cleared one of you we can figure it out D2.  

[Kaylee]

Sis I look forward to hearing your reads.

 

Cass: Since it was pointed out and you didn't address it allow me to repeat it...

 

How have I been pushy?

[Darthe]

 

N0 seer targets are supposed to be randomly provided by the moderator.  The player did not choose them and they could be anyone.  If you wait all day and then place someone you particularly think is a good cop target, likely to be a townie, whatever, as town then you made an informed choice.  

 

This is a bad thing because the wolves now know that if you are the real seer you had a pool of people that maybe didn't include the person you faked cover for.

 

short answer: no

 

long answer: nooooooooooooooooo

 

the point is that the seer AND vanilla villagers drop their peeks later in the day but keep in mind who they think are villagers early so they can build up to their peek believably

 

but no one is ever going to "make everyone play optimally", so it's barely worth discussing

 

a better question is: who are the wolves ITG?

 

Lol this is true.  I should better state that you have to know who it is early on.  It's not necessary to release that right off the bat but, for instance, if Cass came around at EoD and said btw peeked one of the five people she listed as wolfy as town it'd stick out.

 

So far looking at

 

AJ

Hally/Nyn

Cass

Sooh

 

Null on

Dice

Leelou

 

Everyone else seems alright.

[Cory Caboose]

There are some people I can give ~mild to ~above mild villager leans if they can believably suspect me on d1 because in my experience wolves do it very rarely, they tend to clear me and just hope i don't spotlight on them before they can get rid of me in whatever fashion

 

Clov is a tricky player, so he does not get this benefit of the doubt

 

If he wants war, he'll get war. He doesn't get a competence pass if he isn't being competent.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

Cass you've been a wolf like the last 4-5 games and I have seen you coast on little blurbs of "villagery content" with no real dedication or commitment to figuring out the game - and nobody pushes you for whatever reason

 

Just letting you know if you are a wolf here I will not be allowing you to do this for as long as I'm alive

 

I don't know if it's the timing of this post, or the implication that she posted "villagery content", but I'm really suspicious of this post.  The idea is probably basically null for Cory - he can make these town leader posts (I don't really know what to call them, bold is what I'm referring to here) as any alignment - with maybe the slightest hint of town, but this seems completely out of place here.

 

 

Give me my rope.

 

 

lol villagery response.

[Cass]

I absolutely just made Cass appear by voting her

It's magic

Just wait until you see the next trick up my sleeve

 

I did giggle...

 

*waits*

[Cory Caboose]

 

lol villagery response.

 

 

chickenwuss

[Clovdyx]

 

 

lol villagery response.

 

 

chickenwuss

 

 

Don't blame me because you made a post insinuating she's going to skate on villagery content after she made an incredibly sketchy reads list and three people pointed it out.

[Cory Caboose]

*puts RPG-7 back in closet*

 

>.>

 

<.<

[Cass]

 

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! 

 

Thoughts to p. 14

 

Like AJ's suggestion to leave peek/cover til EoD

Did not read Sooh's early Aussie theme post as scummy - sounded like normal Sooh, reaction/explanation read natural (?Australian bias *g*)

 

 

Wolfy:

 

Darthe - forceful on early Seer cover, ?explanation in post #54, both defending/distancing from Nyn, 'pre-vote' /overly hard push on Sooh

 

Leelou - too little to make a call yet, but interaction with Verb did feel off

 

Clov - push on Nyn was weak, with quick backtracking to follow. ?more Town since

 

Kaylee - pushy/observant questioning - quick agreements with Darthe/Clov felt off 

 

Nyn/Hally - watching this space: Nyn's 'tude seems normal Nyn/nulll but push on Sooh and interaction with Darthe may need more attention. Like Hally's logic, not sure what to make of tone.

This is an awful wolf list.

 

Cass are you attempting to incorperate TWTBAW by chance?  If so just use our codeword.  It's Clovian Dongonomics if you forgot.

 

 

'Awful' because it has you at the top so early on, perchance? You sir, are on my watch list. If it's genuinely awful to you and you are Town, discuss with me why, or just bite me - you pointing out that it's awful without further discussion is still scummy, especially since you're one who has specifically told me it's ok to be 'wrong' sometimes 

[Cory Caboose]

Don't blame me because you made a post insinuating she's going to skate on villagery content after she made an incredibly sketchy reads list and three people pointed it out.

 

Wasn't calling her content villagery, was referencing her last like ~5 games where she's post 5-6 times a day and they'd all be "long, villagery posts" IE long WoTs with no real content that people don't bother to read and just say "well she wrote a lot of words, so that's villagery" and continued to ignore her

 

I haven't even read the post she made yet in an analytical eye, just sort of skimmed over it

[Andrej]

Clov came in and made a joke about the scum team's identity, naming three players that haven't posted yet. You asked him if that was a soulread and then asked if it was a aussie theme. The whole post sounded fake to me and I did not care for it.

 

Darthe's opinion of how you usually play means squat to me. Other than mentoring you in a game, I don't think we've played together before so my focus is on your play in THIS game. And OMGUS FoSing me for allegedly sheeping Darthe (of all people! lol) is not making you look any better in my eyes. I also find it interesting that I'm getting FoSed but Darthe isn't even though, under your consideration, your content so far doesn't warrant it.

 

 

Any other thoughts you have to share?

 

I quoted this one to say that I liked the bite in it. I was quite amused as I continued reading to see that I wasn't the only one.

 

I like this post of Nyn's.

 

Nyn is trending upwards for the bold.

 

I like this post. It's a tad much for a slight push like I was going for, but I like to see where you're coming from. 

 

+4?

 

 

Let's see.. if I was to fake peek someone atm I think I would vanillager probably you, Clov... if I have a real peek though I'll save that for later and give you a bit more work in order to find it...

 

You may as well claim not cop after this post.

 

Unless you are, in which case great job covering.  But you aren't cause you're a wolf here.  You've yet to even address that, make a townie post or post anything really meaningful.  

 

Harsh. But I likewise cringed a bit when I read this.

 

 

Clov how's your townie list looking?

 

I'm adding Kaylee to mine for pulling out the classic Kaylee-esque observation in 153.  

 

About where it was.  Nothing from you/Kaylee/Verbal made me want to adjust my reads on you.  I still think that post from Nyn is more likely to come from her as town than mafia, but she'd probably be nullish.

 

Not really comfortable with a read one way or another on the others who have posted.  Maybe the slightest of town reads on AJ, pending what he has against you.

 

I mostly agree with your reads here in the first bolded bit.

 

As far as what I had/have on Darthe I would probably dismiss at this point after reading back through the game.

 

I was getting a sneaking suspicion from the way he was pushing for seer cover on N0 of a game with a N0 peek. Make sense? I understand what the typical mechanics are, but they aren't spelled out in the OP and you can assume if you like that I know that the peek wasn't random or sent in my role PM when I first received it.

 

Anyway - I got the vibe maybe he was pushing for cover to 'save' the seer as the front but the real angle was to get people to make hasty peeks that would easily be identified as fake later when it came to seer hunt at Night.

 

Perhaps it's recency, maybe it's a bit of bias since I know myself to be town, whatever it is I'm a bit hesitant on AJ atm.  I don't want to pursue it or anything but I feel like if he continues as he has it's going to take me a while to get a good read on him this game.

 

I appreciate your reasonableness here. Likewise it wasn't something I really wanted to explore until I saw more from you and I'm okay at this point thinking that perhaps I was being more paranoid than anything.

[Andrej]

Then can you explain why you think I'm mafia from identifying somebody who I am very good at reading (Nyn) - by her own admission - not playing to her typical town game at first, and then showing a very reasonable progression as she got more involved?

 

Something you seemed to completely let off in voting me.

 

Clov very likely to be a villager here.

 

#BetterThanYou

 

 

For the sake of providing better fake peeks its probably in everyone's interest to hold off until they can better gage the roster.

 

That's my 2c anyway

 

I agree with this.  Villapeeking a wolf is not cool.

 

It's not really about the villas peeking a wolf. Or, I should say that's not the whole of it. Seer cover is more or less a foreign entity here at DM and what I didn't want was people throwing out useless peeks for the sake of appearing 'random' when the peek could very well have not been random at all. Also - since it's a new thing here I doubt most players are going to keep that in the forefront of their mind as they play along. They may accidently drop cover without thinking about it because they aren't used to having to hold to that front. Get what I'm saying?

 

 

 

Something bugs me a bit about AJ taking on the role of the voice of reason regarding seer cover. Could be nothing, could be something. As always, keeping an eye on him.

This may have something to do with my mild scum read on Darthe.

 

Don't like this.  Feels like a bit of a dodge.  At this point in the game, why should a mild scum read have any influence on a mechanical/strategy discussion?

 

Not really a dodge. I said I would explain later but Nyn's comment correlated with my take on Darthe at the time.

 

 

Clov came in and made a joke about the scum team's identity, naming three players that haven't posted yet. You asked him if that was a soulread and then asked if it was a aussie theme. The whole post sounded fake to me and I did not care for it.

 

Darthe's opinion of how you usually play means squat to me. Other than mentoring you in a game, I don't think we've played together before so my focus is on your play in THIS game. And OMGUS FoSing me for allegedly sheeping Darthe (of all people! lol) is not making you look any better in my eyes. I also find it interesting that I'm getting FoSed but Darthe isn't even though, under your consideration, your content so far doesn't warrant it.

 

 

Any other thoughts you have to share?

 

Like this post.

 

lol

 

+5

 

@AJ youscumming on me?

 

Not this time.

[Clovdyx]

 

Don't blame me because you made a post insinuating she's going to skate on villagery content after she made an incredibly sketchy reads list and three people pointed it out.

 

Wasn't calling her content villagery, was referencing her last like ~5 games where she's post 5-6 times a day and they'd all be "long, villagery posts" IE long WoTs with no real content that people don't bother to read and just say "well she wrote a lot of words, so that's villagery" and continued to ignore her

 

I haven't even read the post she made yet in an analytical eye, just sort of skimmed over it

 

 

I can buy all this, but LMK when you do, and look at YOUR post from an outside perspective in relation to it.  See if my concern makes sense to you.

[Andrej]

Tress I don't have you as a villager yet 

 

AJ I know this line of questioning is something I have done with you as a wolf and it makes me almost not want to do it but I'm going to do it anyway because I'm legitimately curious -

 

When I go through the thread, will I have you as a villager? If no, why?

 

I would tell you not yet. I haven't posted much since the beginning of the game until this point - so unless you wanna make a snap read on ~6 posts, then no.

[Cory Caboose]

You know I do like making snap reads on small post numbers though 

[Andrej]

ISO me then

[Cory Caboose]

Town cory is like a breath of fresh air

 

Darthe has been such a strong leader that I question his motives.

[Darthe]

 

 

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! 

 

Thoughts to p. 14

 

Like AJ's suggestion to leave peek/cover til EoD

Did not read Sooh's early Aussie theme post as scummy - sounded like normal Sooh, reaction/explanation read natural (?Australian bias *g*)

 

 

Wolfy:

 

Darthe - forceful on early Seer cover, ?explanation in post #54, both defending/distancing from Nyn, 'pre-vote' /overly hard push on Sooh

 

Leelou - too little to make a call yet, but interaction with Verb did feel off

 

Clov - push on Nyn was weak, with quick backtracking to follow. ?more Town since

 

Kaylee - pushy/observant questioning - quick agreements with Darthe/Clov felt off 

 

Nyn/Hally - watching this space: Nyn's 'tude seems normal Nyn/nulll but push on Sooh and interaction with Darthe may need more attention. Like Hally's logic, not sure what to make of tone.

This is an awful wolf list.

 

Cass are you attempting to incorperate TWTBAW by chance?  If so just use our codeword.  It's Clovian Dongonomics if you forgot.

 

 

'Awful' because it has you at the top so early on, perchance? You sir, are on my watch list. If it's genuinely awful to you and you are Town, discuss with me why, or just bite me - you pointing out that it's awful without further discussion is still scummy, especially since you're one who has specifically told me it's ok to be 'wrong' sometimes 

 

I do bite, you know?

 

But truly you used poor reasoning to put four of my town reads into a wolf pile and didn't provide a compensatory number of town reads.  Unless you start reading everyone as scum and work your way up (no clue why you would do that) there isn't any reason to have everyone positionally where they are since you know you have to be wrong about at least two of them.  Also, I thought the reasons didn't just look flimsy, they looked like you were trying to find a reason to fit those people into those reads.

[Darthe]

 

Town cory is like a breath of fresh air

 

Darthe has been such a strong leader that I question his motives.

 

The salt at that post could have poisoned lakes.

[Andrej]

Cass wagon probably a good wagon.

 

Cory I was worried on my read through that I didn't see much of you. Are my concerns real here?

[Clovdyx]

 

Clov came in and made a joke about the scum team's identity, naming three players that haven't posted yet. You asked him if that was a soulread and then asked if it was a aussie theme. The whole post sounded fake to me and I did not care for it.

 

Darthe's opinion of how you usually play means squat to me. Other than mentoring you in a game, I don't think we've played together before so my focus is on your play in THIS game. And OMGUS FoSing me for allegedly sheeping Darthe (of all people! lol) is not making you look any better in my eyes. I also find it interesting that I'm getting FoSed but Darthe isn't even though, under your consideration, your content so far doesn't warrant it.

 

 

Any other thoughts you have to share?

 

I quoted this one to say that I liked the bite in it. I was quite amused as I continued reading to see that I wasn't the only one.

 

I like this post of Nyn's.

 

Nyn is trending upwards for the bold.

 

I like this post. It's a tad much for a slight push like I was going for, but I like to see where you're coming from. 

 

+4?

 

 

Let's see.. if I was to fake peek someone atm I think I would vanillager probably you, Clov... if I have a real peek though I'll save that for later and give you a bit more work in order to find it...

 

You may as well claim not cop after this post.

 

Unless you are, in which case great job covering.  But you aren't cause you're a wolf here.  You've yet to even address that, make a townie post or post anything really meaningful.  

 

Harsh. But I likewise cringed a bit when I read this.

 

 

Clov how's your townie list looking?

 

I'm adding Kaylee to mine for pulling out the classic Kaylee-esque observation in 153.  

 

About where it was.  Nothing from you/Kaylee/Verbal made me want to adjust my reads on you.  I still think that post from Nyn is more likely to come from her as town than mafia, but she'd probably be nullish.

 

Not really comfortable with a read one way or another on the others who have posted.  Maybe the slightest of town reads on AJ, pending what he has against you.

 

I mostly agree with your reads here in the first bolded bit.

 

As far as what I had/have on Darthe I would probably dismiss at this point after reading back through the game.

 

I was getting a sneaking suspicion from the way he was pushing for seer cover on N0 of a game with a N0 peek. Make sense? I understand what the typical mechanics are, but they aren't spelled out in the OP and you can assume if you like that I know that the peek wasn't random or sent in my role PM when I first received it.

 

Anyway - I got the vibe maybe he was pushing for cover to 'save' the seer as the front but the real angle was to get people to make hasty peeks that would easily be identified as fake later when it came to seer hunt at Night.

 

Perhaps it's recency, maybe it's a bit of bias since I know myself to be town, whatever it is I'm a bit hesitant on AJ atm.  I don't want to pursue it or anything but I feel like if he continues as he has it's going to take me a while to get a good read on him this game.

 

I appreciate your reasonableness here. Likewise it wasn't something I really wanted to explore until I saw more from you and I'm okay at this point thinking that perhaps I was being more paranoid than anything.

 

 

I'll be honest with you, there's probably a bit too much mechanical gambling going on IRT Darthe with that read for my liking (and I say this as someone who does it a lot), but I can at least understand where you're coming from and think YOU actually believed what you're saying.

[Clovdyx]

Am I allowed to vote myself for being a <insert appropriate insert> for not quote chopping there?  

[Andrej]

The blunter way to say that would've been "I disagree but I also don't think you're bull****ing"

 

I appreciate you nonetheless Clovdyx.

[Clovdyx]

Am I allowed to vote myself for being a <insert appropriate insult> for not quote chopping there?  

 

I think I'm going to bed before I embarrass myself more.