A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Thane Vakarian]

pizza, actually

[Yates]

So....what did everyone have for lunch?

Cassoulet. And it. was. awesome.

[Leelou]

 

So....what did everyone have for lunch?

Cassoulet. And it. was. awesome.

 

 

My lunch was boring. Peanut butter sandwich. BUT! I'm going out for an awesome dinner tonight and plan on getting crab cakes. 

[Taborline]

 

So....what did everyone have for lunch?

Cassoulet. And it. was. awesome.

 

 

Ooh, nice. I love cassoulet.

[Yates]

Ooh, nice. I love cassoulet.

I actually made my own sausage last night using ground turkey, brown sugar, and spices. Not to toot my own horn but???

 

 

TOOT TOOT!!!

[Verbal32]

Read through Pizza's posts.  I can't say I have a good handle on the guy, because I don't.  I've never played with him before.  But there are 2 things I didn't like:

 

1.  His slapping Sili on the wrist "Please allow me to create my own meta on a new website, and do not paint a caricature of me based on your very limited experiences."  While I agree with this in theory, he then essentially uses a meta case on me to rationalize his vote.

 

"I expected more outrage if I was incorrect about you. You act as though you know I'm a villager here."  That was his response to my initial defense.  How could he expect more outrage if he doesn't know me?  You can't tell Sili off for something you just did.  Pizza essentially paints his own caricature of me with his zero prior experience by saying what he said re: outrage from me.

 

 

NOTE:

The above is not a case.  Let me be clear.  In reading his posts, he's saying some intelligent things and making some reasonable points....but they could come from any alignment.  He's mostly playing mediator a few times and trying to be the problem solver and friend.  No hard pushes, no real interrogation of anybody to discern their alignment......just kind of coming in and making comments without much else to follow it up with.  I don't have a "real" case against him.  I just don't like the hypocrisy of calling Sili out for "painting a caricature" based on limited experience, but then doing exactly that with me.

 

In short, he's playing the field and being everyone's friend.  I'd be even more suspicious if it came from a DMer, but I can somewhat excuse that as being new to the site.  I should have probably chosen somebody else, but the above stuck with me and his name popped into my head when I had literally less than a minute to decide if I was even going to use my ability, let alone on who.

[Verbal32]

^ There should be a #2 for that 2nd paragraph there...

[seph]

Ok so I am confused why everyone is on Verb, If we are going off inconsistencies and a few mistakes, look back this is why yates 1.0 was lynched...
I actually was ready to vote leelou before this argument .

Leelou, I disliked you first 5-6pages your easy votes on me and yates, just following people. but I feel like during this verbal argument you showed your towniness. It looked like to me early you and verb were buddying hard. then as time went on when verb was questioning you it looked like distancing to me.

I think the person who actually looks the worst through this phase is sooh,  I will make a case later.

For now focusing on the situation. I have had pizza town all game, and I have been back and fourth with verbal. The gladiator could be either alignment here. I think this is a v vs v showdown, and I think you could of picked a better target. 
I am looking at this as who does town need to keep more, unless one of you can make me think the other is scum, I don't think that is likely though.

[Verbal32]

tl;dr for the whole post -- people that play the mediator role and problem-solver / helping hand in mafia games are more often scum than not....especially when they don't really take any hard stances and just "play the crowd".

[Yates]

If you think this is a V vs V argument then I think we obviously lynch Verb in this scenario.

 

He just used his power and we don't know what Pizza might have.

 

Do you have anything else?

[Niniel]

 

 

A post I didn´t have time to mention is the one where you ask Leelou who became suspicious of her after you had shown your suspicioun. What had you planned to do with that list?

 

 

Re:  Yates & AJ - I said they might be w/w.  I was willing to lynch either, actually.....but chose Yates when I thought he made a mistake and then actually weird about it.  I unvoted when I realized I was wrong.  I still think AJ might have been scum there still.  I have him on my yolo scum list.

 

 

Re:  Leelou - I had her as a town read.  I thought I might have been wrong on that, and pushed her.  I was also hoping she'd show me I was wrong in my push.  I think she has.  I was also looking to see if anybody joined in on what could have been an easy train had I said I was 100% confident, but I have not yet had a chance to look back and tally that up.

 

 

About AJ: You think he was mafia. Then he had a good day today and not so much mafia. But maybe mafia since he is on your list. Or who ends up on a yolo list? Why didn´t you want to lynch AJ at the end of the day? Why had you dropped him?

 

About Leelou: You said she was town. Then you said she was mafia (or at least belonged to a mafia group). And then you said that you didn´t have any strong feelings one way or another. 

 

 

I´m too tired to think now. I will iso Pizza tomorrow. I should have a lot of time then. 

 

 

So....what did everyone have for lunch? 

 

Pizza. :D

[Verbal32]

 

Ok so I am confused why everyone is on Verb, If we are going off inconsistencies and a few mistakes, look back this is why yates 1.0 was lynched...

I actually was ready to vote leelou before this argument .

Leelou, I disliked you first 5-6pages your easy votes on me and yates, just following people. but I feel like during this verbal argument you showed your towniness. It looked like to me early you and verb were buddying hard. then as time went on when verb was questioning you it looked like distancing to me.

 

I think the person who actually looks the worst through this phase is sooh,  I will make a case later.

 

For now focusing on the situation. I have had pizza town all game, and I have been back and fourth with verbal. The gladiator could be either alignment here. I think this is a v vs v showdown, and I think you could of picked a better target. 

I am looking at this as who does town need to keep more, unless one of you can make me think the other is scum, I don't think that is likely though.

 

 

I agree with this, but I do still think Pizza is scum.  I didn't just yolo pick him.  I had to think fast, and he's the one I think is scum but can't really "prove" and have it be obvious.

[Yates]

tl;dr for the whole post -- people that play the mediator role and problem-solver / helping hand in mafia games are more often scum than not....especially when they don't really take any hard stances and just "play the crowd".

RIP Yates 1.0   

[Verbal32]

About AJ: You think he was mafia. Then he had a good day today and not so much mafia. But maybe mafia since he is on your list. Or who ends up on a yolo list? Why didn´t you want to lynch AJ at the end of the day? Why had you dropped him?

Yolo is just gun to head hot reads. I would expect to both be wrong on some, and contradict where I had previously leaned. It is literally in the moment thoughts.  If I wanted to be super careful (you know, like scum do), I would not have posted that.

 

 

 

 

About Leelou: You said she was town. Then you said she was mafia (or at least belonged to a mafia group). And then you said that you didn´t have any strong feelings one way or another.

I've wavered back and forth a few times on her. Why does this strike you as weird? She's gone from town, to light scum, to medium scum, back to light, and now a light town read. It is called progression, and it occurs over time with activity....which we've had. Does this help you follow?

[Verbal32]

If you think this is a V vs V argument then I think we obviously lynch Verb in this scenario.

 

He just used his power and we don't know what Pizza might have.

 

Do you have anything else?

 

Did I say it was 1x use?  No?  Ok then.

[Verbal32]

 

tl;dr for the whole post -- people that play the mediator role and problem-solver / helping hand in mafia games are more often scum than not....especially when they don't really take any hard stances and just "play the crowd".

RIP Yates 1.0   

 

 

No, Pizza has been way more in that role than you did. 

[Verbal32]

Would be really awesome if some of the folks with ~150 less posts than I do would weigh in.

[Andrej]

Well, this is fun.

[Niniel]

 

About AJ: You think he was mafia. Then he had a good day today and not so much mafia. But maybe mafia since he is on your list. Or who ends up on a yolo list? Why didn´t you want to lynch AJ at the end of the day? Why had you dropped him?

Yolo is just gun to head hot reads. I would expect to both be wrong on some, and contradict where I had previously leaned. It is literally in the moment thoughts.  If I wanted to be super careful (you know, like scum do), I would not have posted that.

 

 

 

 

About Leelou: You said she was town. Then you said she was mafia (or at least belonged to a mafia group). And then you said that you didn´t have any strong feelings one way or another.

I've wavered back and forth a few times on her. Why does this strike you as weird? She's gone from town, to light scum, to medium scum, back to light, and now a light town read. It is called progression, and it occurs over time with activity....which we've had. Does this help you follow?

 

 

I get that you can change your mind. What I don´t get is that you said that you never called her mafia to me, when you in fact said she was on a mafia team. You said that you hadn´t any strong feelings of her when you have called her both town and on a mafia team.

 

And what I´m getting at is that it didn´t look like you were convinced of AJ or Yates being mafia but still called them w/w.

 

 

 

But I will leave that now and come back tomorrow and read Pizza´s posts again. There were many hours of mafia today. :)

[Andrej]

Luckily for you guys, I'm off work and have a few hours at school where I can use a desktop versus having to play strictly from my phone.

I'm probably lynching Pizza here barring some sort of claim on his part.

[seph]

I am waiting on pizza, as I gave my current thoughts. 
I will work on my current reads list I promised.

[Andrej]

If you think this is a V vs V argument then I think we obviously lynch Verb in this scenario.

 

He just used his power and we don't know what Pizza might have.

 

Do you have anything else?

 

Why would we still auto lynch Verb?

 

What if Pizza claims VT or something?

[Thane Vakarian]

Look at the interaction between Pizza and myself pages 92/93.... doesn't he seem way too friendly and knowing? 

[seph]

given more time to decide your decision, and with our thoughts in play. who would you rather of picked than pizza verb?

[Andrej]

 

 

So....what did everyone have for lunch?

 

Cassoulet. And it. was. awesome.

 

Ooh, nice. I love cassoulet.

 

Hi.

 

Feel safer posting now that you know it's locked between two people not of yourself?