A Tale of Middle Earth: Game OVER

[Hallia]

You are correct

[Andrej]

I'm not saying body guard is over powered, in fact I make point in saying I see that fitting as a weaker protective role in combo with the bullet proof investigator and Pizza's claim where he could potentially protect himself some Nights.

[alannalynn]

Forewarning, we're getting our cable/internet switched over today so I may or may not be able to continue to be active until I go to work. My cellphone without wifi means no internet because I kind of live on a country road in a dead-spot
 
Thank you Leelou for finally responding, I broke up your case so that it wouldn't be an entire MQ to read

I have been meaning to do this for days. 
 

 

[v]Laine[/v]
Could switch to any one of my scum reads/leans though.

 I still don't understand WHY!? I did ISO you partially last night to see if my case came up though, so I'll get back to that. Please, convince me why I'm scum, because I'm honestly not seeing it. I think you're more upset that I voted Verbal and called you out for being so buddy buddy with him and you're taking it out on me by insisting that I am scum.

 
I'm not upset you vote Verbal, but the way you did initially is one of my reasons. 
 
I'm voting you mostly off of your actions from day 1. I've mentioned a few times that it seemed like you were more getting caught up in small things and letting them bug you instead of actually engaging in the game. Seemed like someone who was annoyed to be getting attention early on and it felt scummy. That is over a whole page of your posts, so over a third. 
 
End of Day 1 (before Yates flipped town)

 As for my reasons for getting caught up in small things, it's what I had to do to get into the game. My last game was two years ago, and the last time I was consistently actually playing mafia was three years ago. With especially as big of a game as this is, smaller details are easier to get into than the larger ones that are front and center.
 

 

I swear you guys added 10 pages as I was reading. I may be in and out today because ew gross sick, but that also means I'm not working so I'll be around for the deadline unless I'm crying in a corner.
 
Tress: "Sili and EP both baffle me as always - EP looks to be pulling one of his classic dubiously beneficial schemes, which I guess means he's probably town." I'm going to have to agree on this statement, it's better wording than what I would say (which is less polite), so I'll go with it. I'm leaning town on EP, and Zander has been leaning more town for me recently. If either of them flips scum, of course we'll need to take a hard look at the other.
 
@Eldrick: don't think too highly of yourself, or my memory, I have a list, lol. I was in two of your games on myndjack, RPS and Haunted Mafia.
 
Not sure if this has been answered yet, but I'm pretty sure Yates is independently grading EP/Zander, despite the claim he provided for them.
As for Yates' claim, I'm am absolutely not a fan of it. Someone mentioned bread-crumbing and I'm pretty sure he said something about flying pumpkin in his first post. Why come out the gate like that in the first place? Getting a scum vibe from Yates still, even after his claim.
 

 

 

I'd say aj and yates seems v/v but I said that about cory and yates last game and lolme

 
Ha, xpost.  I'm thinking the same thing........but w/w.

Yeah the fight almost doesn't feel natural in these coming posts. It's a lot of "no you're scummy." "No YOURE scummy." "No YOU. You're the scummy one."

Agreed.

I still want to know why you aren't voting your "lock wolf", Yates.

This. It's not right that he's said lock wolf for Seph yet the then back tracks and calls him town. I'm also getting a strong town vibe from Verb now that he's getting involved.

 

[unvote]
I will hesitantly follow a Verb for now. I don't likes the cut of his jib. Instead of throwing attitude he could try to help town.

 
I actually found your vote on Yates quite scummy popped in from nowhere and that couldn't read the whole game and a little bit of train comes along and there you are. Verb is being Verb doesn't make him scum doesn't make him town, but you want rid of him because of his attitude?

Right now I'm getting a strong scum read from Hallia, that jump on the Yates train was very opportunistic.
 
I'm not a fan of Leelou following Verbal as closely as she is. I'm not sure of my read yet though. It could be t/t but could also be scum buddying up to town, so that's pretty meh until I see a little bit more.

 
Dark purple - okay you didn't like his claim and think he's scum, but then you go to light purple and name someone scum for voting someone you think might still be scum and calling it opportunistic without seeing a flip. 
 
There is an awful lot of snark in your posts, and it's not coming off as townie snark. 
 
Here, Verbal seems normalish and you are getting town vibes:

To the first point: there are many ways this can be taken, I was using opportunistic as a general term:
He was mafia, she is mafia of the same team: she saw him going down, she jumped on while she still had the chance
He was mafia, she is mafia of another team or third party, similar story
He was town acting scummy, she is mafia, similarly opportunistic
Calling two people scum independently of each other isn't really something to be held against me; I got reactions from it, that's all that matters, and I'm still holding true to Hallia being mafia, even now.
 
Second point: My natural snark is difficult to contain. LOL
 

 

Off work, stopping to feed cats before going home, I'll respond to Sili's inquiries before I go back and read up on what's happening.
 
Verbal and Leelou were playing very similar at that point, and were building their way to their votes for Yates (and Leelou had been shadowing Verbal for a while, others had also mentioned this and Leelou herself complained about them "not being the same person" or something of the sort). So, at that point, I saw nothing up with them voting in tandem with each other and I really didn't have any issue with pressure building on Yates because he was pinging me a bit because of his playstyle, which I've never been privy to before.
 
On the other hand, Hallia had not been adding herself to the conversation with Yates and was lurking, then swoops in and bandwagon votes with Verb/Leelou. This combined with her game play (You should look at her ISO, btw) is what is pinging her so hard as scum to me right now, and that is why I placed my vote there.
 
As of my last read, I was still getting town vibes from Verb (I've played with him before, he feels normal-ish) and less so from Leelou because of her shadowing, I don't know where I'm at now with anything that's happened today, but I'm pretty sure I'm going home and watching Arrow before I dig too much into anything.

 
Up until here, Hallia is still a good lynch:

I still think Hally is a good lynch, but I'm willing to look at Krak when I get the chance

 
This reads as a complete bandwagon vote on someone you had as a townie:

 

Eldrick, I really want to pick apart your Verbal case up there. Needless to say, I don't really like it.

I thought his case was pretty clear
 
I also went back to read Sili's case and read the ISO on Verbal, and I can agree to this lynch for today. I'll be back and forth to see if anything changes before deadline and hoping I don't fall asleep. Vote: Verbal

 

1. I was getting town vibes from Verbal, then I went back and read over his things. I saw different stuff.
2. Hallia is still a good lynch.
3. Sure it was a bandwagon vote. I wanted to lynch some scum. I was wrong.
 

 

<snip>
 
Right now I'm good with voting for Verbal again, particularly on the usefulness of a JOAT to us. But, I've been back and forth all game on Pizza's alignment and there is still the potential that he's straight up lying. I'm going to spend my night going back to read over some things before placing a vote before deadline. I'm also pretty sure someone made a case from my ISO I need to go back and respond to that, now that my work week is over and I can properly take some notes.

 
So as of this post, you were still unsure of Pizza's alignment, but you want to keep around the role. Not really townie thoughts. 
 
You still don't trust Pizza...

<snip>
 
For the record, I don't trust Pizza, but I think in the event that he is telling the truth, we should not risk losing a power like his. My vote will be on Verbal in the morning when I check back in.

This is the last time I can check in before deadline because I'm going out with some friends (also, Pitch Perfect 2 YAY). I've read through Pizza's posts and  I'm sticking to what I believed last night, so I'm going to Vote: Verbal

 
So, you never really said what you thought of Pizza if he was town or not before voting. It obviously was the safe choice with his claim. 
 
You also have not yet once posted a full reads list. Could you please do that? You've piggybacked off a few and said that you've agreed, but I want to see your actual full list of who is town and scum.

 

Honestly? I voted the 'safe route' and stood by my vote originally on Verbal. I may not have trusted Pizza, but at this point I'm feeling a little better about him. Do you want to know why I took the safe route? Because having a JOAT PR for the town is extremely important when we have done nothing but lose townies all game. What if we had all voted Pizza and he flipped true to his word? How would you feel about yourself if you were a townie?

 

The whole reads list thing is kinda new to me, not really something I remember doing in the past, but I'll post one if it makes you feel better. I just need to get a look at my notes.

 

Charter is here, so I may or may not have much longer.

[Talya]

I do know what it's like, you're ok there

 

#mobileproblems

 

sorry I was a bi snarky...bad day! but yes it's hard reading on a mobile. If I didn't work it would be so much easier, lol

 

 

At this point the wolves might be glad to get rid of other wolves. Since there were a lot of people reading Andrej as scum, why wasn't he murdered?

 

There's basically no interest in lynching him either. Where did that go?

 

If the wolf teams believed he might be a wolf on the opposing team, they could get villagery credits for lynching Andrej while removing a rival.

 

Why would a wolf team not vote for someone who looks wolfy to people? Especially since wolves will have a much easier time solving for other wolves than basic villagers should.

 

I get why you don't murder Andrej, kinda. He could be lynchable.

 

But then not lynching him? Just feels strange to me.

 

I think the wolves would be pushing their top suspects for opposing wolves today. Andrej isn't even on the radar.

 

 

 

 

I believe the reason he wasn't murdered was because there was a confirmed town out there, and he was on the top of some people's list so looked good for a lynch. Why not go for someone who was pretty low profile. (Eld). I can see why didn't go for Krak and Thane, it would almost prove you if they are town and if they are not, then they are the same team as you (wolfie). I'm wondering what happened to the spider last night, either they didn't have another kill or limited and didn't use it, or someone blocked the spider or saved their victim. I know you don't want to talk about what you did last night, and part can understand, and I'm sure you have thought of these things. If you are wolfie, I'm wasting my breath. 

[Niniel]

 

I think I will iso Alot now. 

I already did go back about 7-8 pages and I quoted almost all of his content posts.

 

 

Yes, but since you are Alot I would like to see them for myself. Luckily that didn´t take much time.

 

In short: Alot had problems with the size of the game, which I understand. He asked a good question to Eldrick about why people on Yates´s lynch couldn´t be mafia. He said Sili was just wrong or scummy. He commented on Yates´ claim - said that he had never seen it as a town role before. He voted Leelou because Cass said that she slipped when Leelou talked about her meta. He then unvoted her even though he thought that she had reacted scummy. Later he said it was a reaction vote. He said that I was defending Leelou and that he didn´t like Verbal´s defens. He voted Thane and then Verbal. He voted Verbal again in the gladiator game. He said that he was suspicious of people that had a mafia read on him. 

 

I understand that he has a problem with so many posts. 

He had a good question to Eldrick.

 

But his vote on Leelou was strange and it became even stranger when he dropped it even though he thought she was scummy. I must see what EP thinks about Leelou. I know he thinks I´m mafia.

 

 

 

Also read Taborline´s posts. She was wondering about Verbal and Pizza. Said that Verbal looked jumpy and defensive. That´s it. I can´t find a vote. Did she vote? I could definitely join this wagon. 

[Hallia]

It's ok Tal <3

[Niniel]

I checke´d Alot of EP´s posts and saw that he had Leelou on his list. Not that he has gone after her today.

 

It´s always hard when people replace in. I have no idea what Yates 2.0 is. Mafia? Town? Who knows? But I didn´t like EP´s emotional defense. And it´s not a good defense to say that you have the same reads as EP 1.0.

 

Anyway. My time is soon up. I feel most comfortable voting Dice or Taborline right now. Taborline already has some votes so I will join that wagon.

 

 

[v] Taborline [/v]

[Talya]

Thought I would put this in here to see where the voting has been and is going..

I'll try to trim down as much as possible and colour those gone.

 

 

 

Official Vote Count One:

Pizzaguy(1/13): AJ

AJ (1/13): Alannalynn

 

Not Voting (22/24):

Hally, Sooh, Alot, Alanna, Dice, John Snow, Thane, Verbal, Talya, Eldrick, Leelou, Sili, Krak, Taborline, Tress, Zander, seph, Eternal Phoenix 1.0, TinaHel, Yates 1.0, Batman & Cassowary, Pizzaguy

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count Two:

 

Pizzaguy(1/13): AJ

AJ (1/13): Laine

Talya (1/13): Dice

 Eldrick  (1/13): Sooh

 Verbal  (1/13): Tina

 EP  (1/13): Seph

 

Not Voting (18/24):

Hally, Alot, Alanna, John Snow, Thane,  Verba l, Talya, Eldrick, Leelou, Sili, Krak, Taborline, Tress, Zand er, Eternal Phoenix, Yates, Batman & Cassowary, Pizzaguy

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count Three:

 

Pizzaguy(1/13): AJ

AJ (1/13): Laine

Talya (1/13): Dice

  Verba  l (1/13): Tina

  EP   (1/13): Seph

Sooh (2/14): Hally,   Zander  

Seph (1/13):   EP  

  Zander   (1 /13):  Sili  

 

Not Voting (15/24):

Alot, Alanna, John Snow, Thane,   Verbal  , Talya,  Eldrick , Leelou, K rak, Taborline, Tress, Yate        s  , Batman & Cassowary, Pizzaguy, Sooh

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count Four:

 

Pizzaguy (2/13): AndreJ,  Eldrick4221 

AJ (1/13): Alannalynn

Talya (1/13): Dicetosser1

 Eternal Phoenix   (2/13): Seph, Sili Quirrels 

Sooh (2/13): Hallia,  Zander 

Seph (2/13):  Eternal Phoenix , Askthepizzaguy

Zander (1/13): Tinahel

 

 

Not Voting (13/24):

Alot, Alanna, John Snow, Thane,  Verbal , Talya, Leelou, Krak, Taborline, Tress, Yates, Batman & Cassowary, Sooh 

 

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count Five:

 

 

Pizza (1/13):  Eldrick 

Talya (1/13): Dice

EP (2/13): Seph,  Sili  

Sooh (2/13): Hallia,  Zander 

Seph (3/13):  EP , Pizza, Leelou

Zander (1/13): Tina

Tina (1/13): AJ

Yates (1/13): Sooh

 

 

Not Voting (12/24):

Alot, Alanna, John Snow, Thane,  Verbal , Talya, Krak, Taborline, Tress, Yates, Batassery, Laine 

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count Six:

 

 

Pizza (1/13):   Eldrick  

Talya (1/13): Dice

EP (1/13): Seph

Sooh (2/13): Hallia,   Zander  

Seph (2/13):   EP,   Leelou

Tina (1/13): AJ

Yates (1/13): Sooh

Eldrick (1/13): Pizza

Alot (1/13):   Yates  

 

 

Not Voting (13/24):

Alot, Alanna, John Snow, Thane,   Verbal  , Talya, Krak, Taborline,  Tress  , Batassery, Laine, Tina, Sili 

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count Seven:

 

 

Pizza (1/13):   Eldrick  

Sooh (2/13): Hallia,   Zander  

Seph (2/13):   EP  , Leelou

Tina (1/13): Dice

Yates (2/13): Sooh, AJ

Eldrick (1/13): Pizza

Alot (1/13):   Yates  

 

 

Not Voting (14/24):

Alot, Alanna, John Snow, Thane,   Verbal  , Talya, Krak, Taborline,  Tress , Batassery, Laine, Tina, Sili, Seph  

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count Eight:

 

 

Pizza (1/13):   Eldrick  

Sooh (2/13): Hallia,   Zander  

Seph (1/13): Leelou

Yates (3/13): Sooh, AJ,   EP  

Eldrick (1/13): Pizza

Alot (1/13):   Yates  

 

 

Not Voting (15/24):

Alot, Alanna, John Snow, Thane,   Verbal  , Talya, Krak, Taborline,  Tress , Batassery, Laine, Tina, Sili, Seph,   Dice

 

 

 

Official Vote Count Nine:

 

 

Pizza (1/13):    Eldrick   

Yates (2/13): AJ, Leelou

Eldrick (1/13): Pizza

Alot (1/13):    Yates   

Sili (1/13): Talya

Seph (2/13): Sooh,    EP   

 

Not Voting (16/24):

Alot, Alanna, John Snow, Thane, Krak, Taborline,    Tress   , Batassery, Laine, Tina,   Sili  , Seph, Dice,  Zander , Verb, Hally   

 

 

And then Day ended with Yates being lynched.

 

 

Official Vote Count Ten:

 

 

Pizza (1/13):  Eldrick 

Yates (3/13): AJ, Leelou,  Sili 

Eldrick (1/13): Pizza

Alot (1/13):  Yates 

Hally (1/13): Talya

Seph (2/13): Sooh,  EP 

 

Not Voting (15/24):

Alot, Alanna, John Snow, Thane, Krak, Taborline,  Tress , Batassery, Laine, Tina, Seph, Dice, Zander, Verb, Hally 

 

On the list to do, check why Yates 1.0 thought Alot was wolfie, and EP thought Seph was

[Andrej]

 

See now I'm getting paranoid that Tabor could be a slanking villager and getting piled on by wolves from either side.

 

Mafia sure is hard.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Why do you think that?

Bulletproof villager detective, 2x doctor contained inside of a Joat.

 

And a bodyguard?

 

And masons?

 

Nay.

[Hallia]

Inside a game this large? Why would there not be more roles? Especially with multiball.

[Andrej]

@Tayla - you should check out Sooh from D1 as well. It looks like there are several dead townies / claimed townies that voted her through that phase.

[Andrej]

 

Why do you think that?

Bulletproof villager detective, 2x doctor contained inside of a Joat.

 

And a bodyguard?

 

And masons?

 

Nay.

 

You forgot gladiator and double voter.

 

I see where you're coming from and the best answer I can give you is maybe right now.

 

Your power only happens once every few Nights, from what you've said, so having a weaker protection role fits imo.

[Talya]

Day 2 Votes:

 

Missed the first count, because no one had voted.

 

Official Vote Count Two:

 

AJ (1/12): Krak

Sooh (1/12): Hally

Talya (1/12): Pizza

Thane (1/12):   EP  

Hally (1/12): Alannalynn

 

Not Voting (16/21):

Sooh, Alot, AH, Dice, Thane,   Verb  , Talya,   El, Leelou,  Sili, Taborline, AJ,  Seph, Tina, Batassery, Yates

 

 

Official Vote Count Three:

 

AJ (1/12): Krak

Sooh (1/12): Hally

Talya (1/12): Pizza

Thane (1/12):  EP,   Eldrick

Hally (1/12): Alannalynn

Krak (1/12): Talya, Leelou

Verb (1/12): Sili

Leelou (1/12): Alot

 

Not Voting (11/21):

Sooh, AH, Dice, Thane, Verb, Taborline, AJ, Seph, Tina, Batassery, Yates

 

 

 

Official Vote Count Four:

 

AndreJ(1/12): Krak

Sooh (3/12): Hallia, Yates, Dice

Talya (1/12): Pizza

Hallia (1/12): Alannalynn

Krak (3/12): Talya, Leelou, AndreJ

 Verb  (1/12):     Sili

Leelou (1/12):   Eternal Phoenix  

 

Not Voting (11/21):

Sooh, Aiel Heart, Thane,   Verb  , Taborline, Seph, Tina, Batassery,   Eldrick  , Alot

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count Four:

 

AndreJ(1/11): Krak

Sooh (2/11): Hallia, Dice

Talya (1/11): Pizza

Hallia (1/11): Alannalynn

Krak (3/11): Talya, Leelou, AndreJ

Verb (1/11): Yates

Leelou (1/11): Eternal Phoenix

 

Not Voting (11/20):

Sooh, Aiel Heart, Thane, Verb, Taborline, Seph, Tina, Batassery, Eldrick, Alot

 

 

 

Official Vote Count Six:

 

AndreJ(1/11): Krak

Sooh (2/11): Hallia, Dice

Krak (3/11): Talya, Leelou, AndreJ

 Verb  (4/11): Yat es, Eternal Phoeni x, Alannalynn, Pizza 

Yates (1/11): Eldrick

Hallia (1/11): Thane

 

 

Not Voting (8/20):

Sooh, Aiel Heart, Verb, Taborline, Seph, Tina, Batassery, Alot

 

 

 

Official Vote Count Seven:

 

AndreJ(1/11): Krak

Sooh (1/11): Dice

Krak (3/11): Talya, Leelou, AndreJ

Verb (4/11): Eternal Phoenix, Alannalynn, Pizza, TinaHel

Yates (1/11): Eldrick

Thane (4/11): Hally, Yates, Thane, Leelou

Dice (1/11): Sooh

 

Not Voting (6/20):

Aiel Heart, Verb, Taborline, Seph, Batassery, Alot

 

I put this one in because Darthe didn't do a final vote on the Gladiator

 

UNOFFICIAL COUNT

 

GLADIATOR BATTLE COUNT:

 VERBA L (13/ 11): EP, Piz za, Eldrick, Alot, Yates, Talya, T ina, Heart, Laine, Dice, Hallia, Cass, Sooh

PIZZA (4/11): Thane, Leelou (x2?), Verbal, 

NOT VOTING (6/20):
Krak, Taborline, Andrej, Seph

VOTES ARE LOCKED

 

WAITING FOR MOD CONFIRMATION.

 

[Talya]

@Tayla - you should check out Sooh from D1 as well. It looks like there are several dead townies / claimed townies that voted her through that phase.

 

Thank you I missed that.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Inside a game this large? Why would there not be more roles? Especially with multiball.

Bulletproof and doctors mean village can survive at night but wolves cannot.

 

And they're already vested in targeting each other, because to the mafia, the opposing mafia is the largest threat.

 

Ergo, protecting the village from night attacks means that the mafia have few other people to target at night but each other, which results in self-destruct.

 

Village almost always wins if they're halfway competent with their doctoring and/or don't out themselves on day two due to some terrible vote choices.

[Talya]

 

 

Why do you think that?

Bulletproof villager detective, 2x doctor contained inside of a Joat.

 

And a bodyguard?

 

And masons?

 

Nay.

 

You forgot gladiator and double voter.

 

I see where you're coming from and the best answer I can give you is maybe right now.

 

Your power only happens once every few Nights, from what you've said, so having a weaker protection role fits imo.

 

 

And you forgot Yates, the flying pumpking thingy as well...

 

The problem with the bodyguard is that they die instead, so you would still lose someone, just not the original person being targeted, useful for taking the shot for a PR, but still brings the town down one player.

[Yates]

Jesus.

 

Why are you people just believing Hally's totally transparent claim?

 

You all know she is scum, right?

[Andrej]

Jesus.

 

Why are you people just believing Hally's totally transparent claim?

 

You all know she is scum, right?

 

Convince me, Yates. What I see right now is an un-CC'd weak doc role.

 

Who are her buddies in this case?

[Gabriel Kross]

 

Why do you think that?

Bulletproof villager detective, 2x doctor contained inside of a Joat.

 

And a bodyguard?

 

And masons?

 

Nay.

 

look at how many vanilla's we've seen (atleast 2?) add 1 to that then reassess your own ability in that you can only do a specific thing once every three days and then consider that the bodyguard is there to make up for the 2 days you can't protect. Also take into account there are twice the number of deaths a night

[Gabriel Kross]

 

 

 

Why do you think that?

Bulletproof villager detective, 2x doctor contained inside of a Joat.

 

And a bodyguard?

 

And masons?

 

Nay.

 

You forgot gladiator and double voter.

 

I see where you're coming from and the best answer I can give you is maybe right now.

 

Your power only happens once every few Nights, from what you've said, so having a weaker protection role fits imo.

 

 

And you forgot Yates, the flying pumpking thingy as well...

 

The problem with the bodyguard is that they die instead, so you would still lose someone, just not the original person being targeted, useful for taking the shot for a PR, but still brings the town down one player.

 

no Yates was the BP detective.B

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not really going to believe the claim, but I think if it were true the mafia resolve her.

 

And if it's false, the mafia resolve her.

 

That is literally the only reason I'm not voting her for that terrible claim.

 

EP is the one we need to lynch, he's not getting resolved by the wolves.

[Gabriel Kross]

Not really going to believe the claim, but I think if it were true the mafia resolve her.

 

And if it's false, the mafia resolve her.

 

That is literally the only reason I'm not voting her for that terrible claim.

 

EP is the one we need to lynch, he's not getting resolved by the wolves.

blah blah blah no matter how much you push it I still flip town and push the game one step closer to a town loss. I say we have at most 2 chances to lynch mafia assuming mafia again pick off townies before the game is at a point of no return.

[Andrej]

 

 

I think I will iso Alot now. 

I already did go back about 7-8 pages and I quoted almost all of his content posts.

 

 

Yes, but since you are Alot I would like to see them for myself. Luckily that didn´t take much time.

 

In short: Alot had problems with the size of the game, which I understand. He asked a good question to Eldrick about why people on Yates´s lynch couldn´t be mafia. He said Sili was just wrong or scummy. He commented on Yates´ claim - said that he had never seen it as a town role before. He voted Leelou because Cass said that she slipped when Leelou talked about her meta. He then unvoted her even though he thought that she had reacted scummy. Later he said it was a reaction vote. He said that I was defending Leelou and that he didn´t like Verbal´s defens. He voted Thane and then Verbal. He voted Verbal again in the gladiator game. He said that he was suspicious of people that had a mafia read on him. 

 

I understand that he has a problem with so many posts. 

He had a good question to Eldrick.

 

But his vote on Leelou was strange and it became even stranger when he dropped it even though he thought she was scummy. I must see what EP thinks about Leelou. I know he thinks I´m mafia.

 

 

 

Also read Taborline´s posts. She was wondering about Verbal and Pizza. Said that Verbal looked jumpy and defensive. That´s it. I can´t find a vote. Did she vote? I could definitely join this wagon. 

 

w/w distancing here with Alot of Phoenix?

 

They are carrying each other as suspects but consolidating on the Taborline wagon.

 

Makes my skin crawl. If Tabor is a wolf here, she's definitely not with these two.

[Gabriel Kross]

also, when I flip town I want you all to reconsider Pizza's claim just saying