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No, that's his inexperience

 

Okay. I will agree that a lot of what happened today can be chalked up to a newbie losing his cool.

 

Are you scum?

 

 

Stop misconstruing what I say. The only thing that I attributed only to his newness was that single post. Also, see below. 

 

AJ, my post re Seph was a suggestion. Just trying to help.

You trying to give feels reasons for defending him not swaying me.

He was frustrated way before the posts you quoted. He was very much sounding like caught mafia that just didn't understand why they were caught. So his pushing back at his detractors is just not ringing true to Me.

I really can't believe you trying to Use postcount = town. He posted a bunch as both alignments in the last game. It is just his nature I think. Pushing null things as alignment indicating is a bad argument. Town!AJ rarely Makes bad arguments. You can be wrong but usually logic is sound.

 

^ Rather than say what I was going to, I'll just quote Turin here. No need to make the same argument twice. 

 

Yeah I don't have as much of a grasp on the game as I probably should right now due to my absence but I think it's clear that I'm mainly suspicious of Turin so I'm gonna gun there and hope for the best.

 

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[v]Turin[/v]

 

Woo, way to contribute to the game Nolder.[/font = sarcasm] But, really, c'mon.

 

 

 

 

Turin you mafia to huh?


No. You are tho. Give up your mafia buddies and maybe we let you live today.

 

this looks like fishy,He also votes aj, as he says he knows I am mafia?  

Aj by no means looks mafia to me, I see a point of ithi's as he could be defending me to look better when I flip. However I will say this, the post I wrote about ithi, while it is how I felt was written very poorly, if he was mafia I felt he would of jumped ship here. He is a Strong town read imo. I have tress and sooh here as well.

 

 

Natural or not OMGUS is anti town. And with regards to your other post the fact that has a mentor who's job it is to keep him from making newbie mistakes like that should be kept in mind.

 

The anti town comment doesn't sit right with me. Also as for the mentor, Dice is not there to control everything I say, He helps me from posts I messed up with, to reads. We are on a different time zone, so he usually will only be on a short while with me. I feel like that is almost a jab at Dice, and I do not appreciate it.

 

 

 

@reply to Turin:

I'm fairly sure that was meant as a joke?

 

@reply to me:

Not a jab at anyone. I said it should be "kept in mind." I also give people less of a free pass when they have a mentor to help them see stuff. 

And anti-town =/= scummy. OMGUS is anti-town because it's a stupid illogical argument that gets nothing accomplished except time wasted and mafia time to get everyone biting at each other's necks. 

 

 

Apologies for my part in that. Now let's put on our happy faces so we can continue trying to kill one another.

Like I said, re-read the progression of yesterday in the thread with objectivity and I think you will easily see how I was able to draw such a strong conclusion on Seph, Ithi. If you still disagree and think I know more than I should then okay. That is my argument though and I stand by that.

 

So it's fine if Ithi disagrees with your argument, but if I do I'm scum? *applauds*

 

 

 

1. Zander (mentored by Cory)-Gives a VT claim for no reason then disappears. 
2. Nolder-Useless posts. Has hardly been in the game. 
3. Eldrick
4. Sooh (mentored by Clov)
5. Not Bob-some more explication on your posts would be great, but feeling town vibes
6. Thane
7. Seph (mentored by Dice)-Need I rehash my arguments again?
8. Tress
9. AJ
10. John Snow-pffft, this guy is totally town. Duh. Like the cop vetted him and everything.
11. Ithi-feeling town here
12. Turin-gut feeling again

 

Eldrick, Thane, and AJ I need to analyze their posts more. 

Sooh and Tress I feel haven't really contributed, but I probably need to reread to get a better feel for. I know tress commented a bunch on the Ithi stuff at the start, but I'd like to see more about the current trains from both.

Orange I could totally get on trains for. 

Green is town.

Blue is town. Like mod confirmed town. Totally guys. >.>

Red is mafia. Obviously. 

Posted

Half my colors didn't work. Right colors: 

1. Zander (mentored by Cory)-Gives a VT claim for no reason then disappears. 
2. Nolder-Useless posts. Has hardly been in the game. 
3. Eldrick
4. Sooh (mentored by Clov)
5. Not Bob-some more explication on your posts would be great, but feeling town vibes
6. Thane
7. Seph (mentored by Dice)-Need I rehash my arguments again?
8. Tress
9. AJ
10. John Snow-pffft, this guy is totally town. Duh. Like the cop vetted him and everything.
11. Ithi-feeling town here
12. Turin-gut feeling again

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No, that's his inexperience

 

Okay. I will agree that a lot of what happened today can be chalked up to a newbie losing his cool.

 

Are you scum?

 

 

Stop misconstruing what I say. The only thing that I attributed only to his newness was that single post. Also, see below. 

 

AJ, my post re Seph was a suggestion. Just trying to help.

 

You trying to give feels reasons for defending him not swaying me.

 

He was frustrated way before the posts you quoted. He was very much sounding like caught mafia that just didn't understand why they were caught. So his pushing back at his detractors is just not ringing true to Me.

 

I really can't believe you trying to Use postcount = town. He posted a bunch as both alignments in the last game. It is just his nature I think. Pushing null things as alignment indicating is a bad argument. Town!AJ rarely Makes bad arguments. You can be wrong but usually logic is sound.

 

^ Rather than say what I was going to, I'll just quote Turin here. No need to make the same argument twice. 

 

Yeah I don't have as much of a grasp on the game as I probably should right now due to my absence but I think it's clear that I'm mainly suspicious of Turin so I'm gonna gun there and hope for the best.

 

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[v]Turin[/v]

 

Woo, way to contribute to the game Nolder.[/font = sarcasm] But, really, c'mon.

 

 

 

 

Turin you mafia to huh?

No. You are tho. Give up your mafia buddies and maybe we let you live today.

 

this looks like fishy,He also votes aj, as he says he knows I am mafia?  

Aj by no means looks mafia to me, I see a point of ithi's as he could be defending me to look better when I flip. However I will say this, the post I wrote about ithi, while it is how I felt was written very poorly, if he was mafia I felt he would of jumped ship here. He is a Strong town read imo. I have tress and sooh here as well.

 

 

Natural or not OMGUS is anti town. And with regards to your other post the fact that has a mentor who's job it is to keep him from making newbie mistakes like that should be kept in mind.

 

The anti town comment doesn't sit right with me. Also as for the mentor, Dice is not there to control everything I say, He helps me from posts I messed up with, to reads. We are on a different time zone, so he usually will only be on a short while with me. I feel like that is almost a jab at Dice, and I do not appreciate it.

 

 

 

@reply to Turin:

I'm fairly sure that was meant as a joke?

 

@reply to me:

Not a jab at anyone. I said it should be "kept in mind." I also give people less of a free pass when they have a mentor to help them see stuff. 

And anti-town =/= scummy. OMGUS is anti-town because it's a stupid illogical argument that gets nothing accomplished except time wasted and mafia time to get everyone biting at each other's necks. 

 

 

Apologies for my part in that. Now let's put on our happy faces so we can continue trying to kill one another.

 

Like I said, re-read the progression of yesterday in the thread with objectivity and I think you will easily see how I was able to draw such a strong conclusion on Seph, Ithi. If you still disagree and think I know more than I should then okay. That is my argument though and I stand by that.

 

So it's fine if Ithi disagrees with your argument, but if I do I'm scum? *applauds*

 

 

 

1. Zander (mentored by Cory)-Gives a VT claim for no reason then disappears. 

2. Nolder-Useless posts. Has hardly been in the game. 

3. Eldrick

4. Sooh (mentored by Clov)

5. Not Bob-some more explication on your posts would be great, but feeling town vibes

6. Thane

7. Seph (mentored by Dice)-Need I rehash my arguments again?

8. Tress

9. AJ

10. John Snow-pffft, this guy is totally town. Duh. Like the cop vetted him and everything.

11. Ithi-feeling town here

12. Turin-gut feeling again

 

Eldrick, Thane, and AJ I need to analyze their posts more. 

Sooh and Tress I feel haven't really contributed, but I probably need to reread to get a better feel for. I know tress commented a bunch on the Ithi stuff at the start, but I'd like to see more about the current trains from both.

Orange I could totally get on trains for. 

Green is town.

Blue is town. Like mod confirmed town. Totally guys. >.>

Red is mafia. Obviously. 

ok who posts that next to their name in a reads list, you have to been sitting right with me for awhile, your first vote on me seemed jumpy, and then it seems like your just riding the flow onto me.

As much as I want to see Ithi gone, I agree with Dice she needs to live to day 2, and since he has played more games with her, and has her in his town list I am going to trust him.

 

 

I read something that made me facepalm that I found in a championship game, which actually sparked this post.

 

it’s called tunneling and i’ve seen enough villagers do it to care about it, basically they make a read and then they want it so badly to be true they start seeing every post that person is making as wolfy

 

i think pizza is saying it should be done the other way around, which means you first make a multi quote, decide which posts are wolfy and which are not, and then make a conclusion, whilst it seems like you made the conclusion beforehand

 

after I read this I realized I did this with ithi, I was just looking for points to make. If you want to look at quotes I posted of her, as some of the context is deleted, because I didn't find them important. I am by no means clearing her, I just think I need to re-evaluate this whole thing. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-snip-

 

I am sure you are scum and I am putting john snow in there, with probably someone who has been more inactive, to answer you question on who I think is mafia.

 

Turin you mafia to huh?

OMGUS much?

It's natural imo. Is this another one of those things you're gonna tell me makes the difference?

Natural or not OMGUS is anti town. And with regards to your other post the fact that has a mentor who's job it is to keep him from making newbie mistakes like that should be kept in mind.

 

This whole thing rubs me the wrong way, How is Omgus anti town, and the mentor thing as I mentioned has no need to even be in this post.

John I am sorry if you think my reaction to votes are this or anything else, I react badly when I know I am innocent. If you want look at my last game with the interaction with dice, I linked it earlier. Maybe I will control it at some point, but my emotions get the best of me.

I believe however you need to be the one leaving here day 1. [unvote] [v]John Snow[/v]

 

also Turin I just noticed this, but in the last game after I came back as mafia, posted a reads list and convinced anyone I was town once I hardly posted, as I had you cory and yates. Who would have won it even if BFG was town.

Posted

 

Read Nolder's post NotBob. It is right here if you look.

 

Let's see.

 

Don't like the game Ithi and Turin are playing with each other. Find it distracting.

 

AJ seems a little more laid back this game than the last time with crossed paths fwiw.

 

Looks like Notbob has been quiet as well which is normal for him early game so that's not a warning sign yet.

I see Turin opposed lynching inactives. Makes me wonder if maybe one of his teammates was inactive?

Also noticed that he dodged the question about whether it was just Notbob or all inactives he was against lynching and then when called on it said he'd lynch me for irony.

I appreciate the irony and wouldn't have been upset had that happened but I will note that he stood in the way of Notbob's lynch for inactivity but seemed ok with mine so maybe there is something there after all. To be fair though he chose John Snow over me although I think the relevant part here is Notbob.

Thane seems to be going with the flow to me which I don't really like. Maybe it's just me but nothing he's saying really stands out to me as townie who's trying to find scum.

 

Ithi strikes me as legitimately frustrated town.

 

Seph looks like he's trying hard. That's basically a null tell but I like the effort and recommend keeping him around for a couple days at least.

Nolder, you sound like you are sure NotBob is mafia. Your attempt to.link me to him is stinky. Your facts are wrong too. I stated clearly that I was opposed to lynching inactive players in General. I only added the part about snow because I felt there was a possible reason to lynch him outside of his activity level. The thing about you was a pure joke as your stance is to lynch inactive players on principle.

 

 

Also doesn't.make sense since you are trying to imply that NotBob is my teammate but you have him as at worst null.

 

Don't like Ithi and Turin... Too bad.

 

Also remember it is Wednesday. :tongue:

 

Non-sequitur.

 

Please explain how you came to the conclusion that Nolder is suggesting this.

Bold: Nolder say NotBob is quiet but that is okay. I interpreted this as Nolder having a null to town read on NotBob.

underlined: Nolder says that I am opposed to lynching inactive players(I am). But goes on to say it mat be because one of my teammates(his words) is inactive.

italics: Nolder goes on to say that I ducked the question about lynching inactives(I didn't). Further saying that I was in effect opposed to lynching NotBob for inactivity because he was my teammate. But I would be okay with lynching him( a joke because he always advocates lynching inactives) or Snow. I believe I clearly stated that from the given lust of inactives I would prefer to lynch Snow because his limited content seemed the worst to me.

 

It is my contention that Nolder either read poorly or purposely made it seem like I was trying to prevent NotBob from being lynched. That was a complete misrep.

Posted

Ok I see where you say it is anti town and scummy.
you go on to say, that you do not think mine was scummy,but inexperience.  so why did you bring it up?

 

Also I didn't see this but can you explain why it is anti town? So I know for the future.

Posted

 OMGUS is anti-town because it's a stupid illogical argument that gets nothing accomplished except time wasted and mafia time to get everyone biting at each other's necks. 

Inside the spoiler tag w/my reads on everyone

Posted

Turin made his case on Tress super early (that's post #105) for not much more than what seemed to be jokey banter. Perhaps a way of getting a reaction, but keeping his vote there until post # 416 seems like a long time if it was meant as a poke.

 

I'm not sure how he ended up on AJ. Was it Ithi's case that won him over, or what?

 

Turin? Can you elaborate on what makes you think AJ is mafia?

 

 

AJ starts the game off very fluffy and I can count 4 times of him saying, one way or another, that he is town on the first page of his ISO. As for everything else he has posted, I don't see anything that clearly points to him being mafia, unless just pointing out that Seph doesn't look mafia to him is mafia enough... I can't say either way on AJ yet, so he's a null for me at the moment.

 

 

I did case tress and vote her early. I left my vote there because she hadn't done anything to cause me to remove it. She was gone for some time. The first post she came back with was explaining her crankiness due to hormonal issues(her words). I have never known her to play about her RL when stuff comes up so I didn't push her. I figured she would reply when ready. Not really much yet but I am being patient.

 

You will note that one of the things that perked my ears if you will about tress was her banter with ... Wait for it... AJ. That suspicion was on both of them. AJ has had other similar incidents during the game. The one I am most suspicious of currently is with Nolder. There was some small convo and AJ immediately puts Nolder as a green read. He lowers Nolder on his published read list for being inactive but doesn't include Nolder in the let's lynch pool. Now he is giving credit to Nolder for being clever and noting something(I assume the false connection Nolder made between me and NotBob) that is a misrep.

 

You yourself noted how he pushed himself as lock clear. anyone trying to proclaim themself lick clear sets my teeth on edge. When it happened I was still distracted with Ithi so I didn't bring it up but I did note it. you also note his Seph defense. AJ admits he doesn't know Seph from Adam. This is the first game they have played together. I don't see going from suspect to solid town in this case was genuine. There were lots of little defenses along the way. I think these were intended as AJ would have seen Seph as lynchbait but more valuable to make himself look good in the long run.

 

Right now I think mafia are AJ, Nolder. Not sure of the third yeT.

 

if both of them are then I would look at NotBob on the chance Nolder slipped.

Posted

Half my colors didn't work. Right colors: 

1. Zander (mentored by Cory)-Gives a VT claim for no reason then disappears. 

2. Nolder-Useless posts. Has hardly been in the game. 

3. Eldrick

4. Sooh (mentored by Clov)

5. Not Bob-some more explication on your posts would be great, but feeling town vibes

6. Thane

7. Seph (mentored by Dice)-Need I rehash my arguments again?

8. Tress

9. AJ

10. John Snow-pffft, this guy is totally town. Duh. Like the cop vetted him and everything.

11. Ithi-feeling town here

12. Turin-gut feeling again

 

 

Sorry trying to get caught up but did notice this.  you condem me and do the same thing...seems verry off putting to me.

Posted

 

Half my colors didn't work. Right colors: 

1. Zander (mentored by Cory)-Gives a VT claim for no reason then disappears. 

2. Nolder-Useless posts. Has hardly been in the game. 

3. Eldrick

4. Sooh (mentored by Clov)

5. Not Bob-some more explication on your posts would be great, but feeling town vibes

6. Thane

7. Seph (mentored by Dice)-Need I rehash my arguments again?

8. Tress

9. AJ

10. John Snow-pffft, this guy is totally town. Duh. Like the cop vetted him and everything.

11. Ithi-feeling town here

12. Turin-gut feeling again

 

 

Sorry trying to get caught up but did notice this.  you condem me and do the same thing...seems verry off putting to me.

 

 

When did I a) claim VT or b) disappear for 24+ hours? I don't think I had no posts for 24hrs at the beginning, though I didn't post for awhile because nothing happened. 

Posted

Seph. I am not quite sure I am understanding that paragraph about the last game. if I am totally.misreading your post please tell Me.

 

I am thinking you are saying that after you replaced back into the game as mafia after getting killed as town you made a reads list that convinced people you were town.

 

It was a good list I will say that you had some things going for you. First I think you didn't have to adjust many reads which made you very believable. Also, your slot was mostly being town read. Finally, we had Cory doing an awesome job of keeping us clear.

 

That all said, what was your point? If it is a good read list can boost your town cred, I won't disagree.

Posted

@Mod When I went back to the OP to grab the player list, I noticed you don't have Sili listed as backup. I should prolly turn off my alery for the signup thread too...

Posted

 

 

Half my colors didn't work. Right colors: 

1. Zander (mentored by Cory)-Gives a VT claim for no reason then disappears. 

2. Nolder-Useless posts. Has hardly been in the game. 

3. Eldrick

4. Sooh (mentored by Clov)

5. Not Bob-some more explication on your posts would be great, but feeling town vibes

6. Thane

7. Seph (mentored by Dice)-Need I rehash my arguments again?

8. Tress

9. AJ

10. John Snow-pffft, this guy is totally town. Duh. Like the cop vetted him and everything.

11. Ithi-feeling town here

12. Turin-gut feeling again

 

 

Sorry trying to get caught up but did notice this.  you condem me and do the same thing...seems verry off putting to me.

 

 

When did I a) claim VT or b) disappear for 24+ hours? I don't think I had no posts for 24hrs at the beginning, though I didn't post for awhile because nothing happened. 

 

 

 

so again you mention being gone for 24 hours and you were as well.

 

So if i had put Zander is VT....or an arrow pointing to my avatar saying this guys VT.  its ok or different

 

I may be missing the point but, when your logic on me is things you have/are/close to doing.  just seems weird to me.

Posted

Ithi

Turin

Thane

 

Notbob

Zander

Nolder

Sooh

 

John Snow

Tress

AJ

 

Seph

 

1. Zander (mentored by Cory) - The VT claim isn't holding for me. All this means to me is he probably isn't a power role, as John Snow pointed out earlier. Could easily still be mafia. Null, for lack of content.
2. Nolder - I'm blanking on Nolder. I don't think he's said anything that caught my attention one way or the other.
4. Sooh (mentored by Clov) - Haven't gotten a read on her one way or the other. Null for now.
5. Not Bob - This level of content is normal for him, at least it's similar to how he was in the last game. Null, with a town lean.
6. Thane - I've seen Thane!Wolf and Thane!Town. This feels like Thane!Town to me.
7. Seph (mentored by Dice) - Seph has rubbed me the wrong way all game. I'm convinced he's scum, for reasons I have already mentioned.
8. Tress - I was suspicious of her from the Ithi train. She defended herself about it, then just vanished. I now get that it's because of sickness, but I still have a scum lean on her until proven otherwise.
9. AJ - When Ithi pointed out that AJ was asking other people what they thought, but not giving his own opinions, that caught my attention. It was the strong defense of seph that made me suspicious. I've got a scum lean here.
10. John Snow - Technically also on the Ithi train, although less suspicious because he started it. Staying on it the whole day doesn't look good though. You say you were here, but I also feel like you weren't.
11&12. Ithi and Turin - I've gotten town vibes from these 2. They have been actively pushing the thread forward.

Posted

Seph. I am not quite sure I am understanding that paragraph about the last game. if I am totally.misreading your post please tell Me.

 

I am thinking you are saying that after you replaced back into the game as mafia after getting killed as town you made a reads list that convinced people you were town.

 

It was a good list I will say that you had some things going for you. First I think you didn't have to adjust many reads which made you very believable. Also, your slot was mostly being town read. Finally, we had Cory doing an awesome job of keeping us clear.

 

That all said, what was your point? If it is a good read list can boost your town cred, I won't disagree.

I ment after I posted that I laid back, as I really didn't have to post very much, compared to early game as town. because of you three pretty much steam rolled it. I saw a wuote of yours , when I quoted john snow, that I apparently never read.

Posted

 

 

Read Nolder's post NotBob. It is right here if you look.

Let's see.

 

Don't like the game Ithi and Turin are playing with each other. Find it distracting.

 

AJ seems a little more laid back this game than the last time with crossed paths fwiw.

 

Looks like Notbob has been quiet as well which is normal for him early game so that's not a warning sign yet.

 

I see Turin opposed lynching inactives. Makes me wonder if maybe one of his teammates was inactive?

Also noticed that he dodged the question about whether it was just Notbob or all inactives he was against lynching and then when called on it said he'd lynch me for irony.

I appreciate the irony and wouldn't have been upset had that happened but I will note that he stood in the way of Notbob's lynch for inactivity but seemed ok with mine so maybe there is something there after all. To be fair though he chose John Snow over me although I think the relevant part here is Notbob.

 

Thane seems to be going with the flow to me which I don't really like. Maybe it's just me but nothing he's saying really stands out to me as townie who's trying to find scum.

 

Ithi strikes me as legitimately frustrated town.

 

Seph looks like he's trying hard. That's basically a null tell but I like the effort and recommend keeping him around for a couple days at least.

Nolder, you sound like you are sure NotBob is mafia. Your attempt to.link me to him is stinky. Your facts are wrong too. I stated clearly that I was opposed to lynching inactive players in General. I only added the part about snow because I felt there was a possible reason to lynch him outside of his activity level. The thing about you was a pure joke as your stance is to lynch inactive players on principle.

 

 

Also doesn't.make sense since you are trying to imply that NotBob is my teammate but you have him as at worst null.

 

Don't like Ithi and Turin... Too bad.

 

Also remember it is Wednesday. :tongue:

 

Non-sequitur.

 

Please explain how you came to the conclusion that Nolder is suggesting this.

Bold: Nolder say NotBob is quiet but that is okay. I interpreted this as Nolder having a null to town read on NotBob.

underlined: Nolder says that I am opposed to lynching inactive players(I am). But goes on to say it mat be because one of my teammates(his words) is inactive.

italics: Nolder goes on to say that I ducked the question about lynching inactives(I didn't). Further saying that I was in effect opposed to lynching NotBob for inactivity because he was my teammate. But I would be okay with lynching him( a joke because he always advocates lynching inactives) or Snow. I believe I clearly stated that from the given lust of inactives I would prefer to lynch Snow because his limited content seemed the worst to me.

 

It is my contention that Nolder either read poorly or purposely made it seem like I was trying to prevent NotBob from being lynched. That was a complete misrep.

 

 

Thanks for the additional explanation.

Posted

Eldrick how have I rubbed you the wrong way?.. that sounds wrong but anyways. All I saw was you accusing me of being a hypocrite. When you had already voted the same person. besides that I don't recall seeing much, if anything of substance you have said. You are agreeing with a lot of strong people. while playing in the background. That is pretty suspicious imo
 

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