Warehouse 13 Mafia- Mafia Wins!

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Pretty sure I've found scum in Cass, Lily and Wombat (2 of 3).  

 

Make sure to congratulate me or at least say thank you when the game is over.

 

Your welcome in advance.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Incoming PSA.  

 

Please listen carefully.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Roughly 12+ hours ago I presented a theory that pointed a FOS on three high profile players.

 

Since that time, each has posted comments.

 

Each has also completely ignored my theory.

 

Zero rebuttal or alternatives.

 

Lily made the only comment and that only personalized it by suggesting deflection.  Zero commentary on the theory itself.  

 

Do what you will.  Let me know if any of you want to catch scum.

 

Argo. 

[Cass]

Roughly 12+ hours ago I presented a theory that pointed a FOS on three high profile players.

 

Since that time, each has posted comments.

 

Each has also completely ignored my theory.

 

Zero rebuttal or alternatives.

 

Lily made the only comment and that only personalized it by suggesting deflection.  Zero commentary on the theory itself.  

 

Do what you will.  Let me know if any of you want to catch scum.

 

Argo. 

 

I'm working on catching scum.

 

I don't get vote-train analysis, but I do get inconsistencies. WoTs incoming.

[Cass]

Ok.

 

Here goes.

 

@Lily:

 

 

Cass the one thing you left out of your summary is that I clearly said I didn't trust Sili with a gun. That's the main reason I helped lynch him. I honestly thought Alanna was scum, and was wrong. It happens. And I've admitted to sheeping Verb. He's an excellent player and read very strong town to me. 

 

The bold are the two things standing out as particularly inconsistent to me here, and it's stuff like this that has me most concerned about your play. The rest of the post can validly go either way, so is essentially null to me for now. 

 

 

 

Firstly, Sili.

 

I have no problem with you not trusting Sili with a gun - or voting wildcards. But that was not the reason you gave when you initially voted him. The reason you gave was:

 

I haven't caught up the whole thread, but I haven't had a good feeling about Sili, either. I thought maybe it was because I don't understand him, but if so many others feel the same way, I'll vote there. 

 

Unvote

Vote Sili

 

 

That you hadn't had a good feeling about him.

 

 

Yet, your only mentions of Sili prior to voting him was having him as a Town read:

 

 

 

Eldrick, if you keep focusing on the distraction instead of the game, you're going to get my vote as well. 

 

Is Sili scum?

 

 

I never understand half of what he says, but I don't think so yet. 

 

 

My current reads:

 

Town reads – Dice, Eldrick, Pral (buying the mason claim for now), Hallia, Cass, Sili, Yates (ditto), Not Bob, Verbal

 

Rest of the group where scum is likely to be found – Leelou, Alanna, Thane, Dawn, Sooh, Wombat

 

 

You don't think he's scum, and you have him in your Town reads.

 

 

 

Immediately before that, you voted for No Lynch:

 

[V]No lynch[/v]

 

I would normally never do this day one, but this time it seems the thing to do. 

 

 

Which you justified days later with:

 

 

 

Thought on the No Lynch at EoD D1

 

Thane voting for it makes sense. he was the cop, and wanted to get info before lynching.

Sili's reasoning was not trusting the wagons, or the vibes in the air. Not sure how to take that.

 

@Lily. You said you don't normally No Lynch D1. Why did you want to this time?

 

I didn't have any suspects at that time, and didn't want to lynch town or start a new train at that late date. 

 

 

This is potentially justifiable, but it also further confirms that you weren't thinking Sili was scummy enough to vote.

 

 

You didn't mention anything about the gun until after you voted for Sili, so I don't buy that as the 'main reason' you 'helped lynch him'. 

 

 

The vote feels rushed and opportunistic, like you're trying to jump in with Town, which is fine, but the reasons before your vote are weak and inconsistent with your previous reads, your reasons afterwards are consensus with the rest of the thread, and the end result is mislynched Town. I don't trust it.

 

 

 

 

 

On Alanna.

 

The thing that irks me about your comment/stance on the Alanna lynch is partly this:

 

Cass the one thing you left out of your summary is that I clearly said I didn't trust Sili with a gun. That's the main reason I helped lynch him. I honestly thought Alanna was scum, and was wrong. It happens. And I've admitted to sheeping Verb. He's an excellent player and read very strong town to me. 

 

If you honestly thought that she was Scum, why weren't you on her vote?

 

 

The rest of it has to do with what I pointed out in my summary:

 

/Snip

Lily - Reasons for votes seem forced/opportunistic/sheepish, justifies all as gut. Day 1 vote on Sili came from nowhere prior to catching up/majority already secured and was somewhat contradictory to first impression (scum/sheep). Sheeps Wombat on 'you look more like SK to me' for vote on Sili, justifies lynching Vig by not trusting Sili with a gun (unnecessary). Votes Wombat after train develops, reasoning seems forced.  FOS at Alanna for her moving off of Wombat, contradicts previous reads.  Quick vote to put Alanna at L-1 concerning after doll reveal, but corrected. States would always lynch SK (Sili) - doesn't like wildcards, but later doesn't lynch/move on Arsis/Alanna with possible anti-Town role, hedges with return to Wombat vote. Defends Leelou against Dice, later changes read to null following Verbal/Leelou comments by BFG. Sheeps Verb on final vote.

 

But here's a more detailed explanation.

 

 

Here's the point where you first voted Alanna, putting her at L-1 with no discussion about the doll, even though you mention that something seems 'really off' about Arsis.

 

Alanna is a scum read for me, so I'm going to vote there. Having said that, something seems really off about Arsis' way of going about this.

 

 

[v]Alanna[/v]

 

 

Really? Without any discussion at all about what I've said about the doll? There is for sure more than one scum on this lynch train. I can't believe so many townies would be dumb enough to rush into this.

 

I believe I'm at L-1.

 

 

 

Alanna is a scum read for me, so I'm going to vote there. Having said that, something seems really off about Arsis' way of going about this.

 

 

[v]Alanna[/v]

 

If you're town, you should really unvote until more people can weigh in on this. But I'm beginning to doubt that you're town.

 

 

 

I mean, especially given that you said you think there's something off about Arsis?

 

FWIW, I think he is probably telling the truth and is town...but there is definitely the possibility that scum somehow found out about this item. In which case lynching me could be a 2 for 1 for them. They get a townie lynched, and probably also have a chance to get their hands on this anti-town item. Which I'm betting they can use.

 

 

I didn't realize I put you at L-1. You're right that there should be more discussion.

 

Unvote for now. 

 

 

You did unvote for further consideration, but then, instead of voting either Alanna - which would be more consistent with you believing, as you say, that she was Scum, or Arsis, on the risk that he was the Scum or wildcard -  which you insinuate, you hedge:

 

 

I'm not sure what to think of this doll. In most games with items, if the possessor of an item dies, the item is out of play. But who knows if Kay is doing that? I'd like to lynch Alanna, who I have a scum read on, and see if that happens. But I don't like the way Arsis presented his case. He gave us the impression that Alanna was evil, not the item. He came forward later and corrected that assumption. Honestly, I think I'm going to sit on all this for now, and go back to Wombat, who is a stronger scum read for me. 

 

Vote Wombat

 

 

It's inconsistent with things you've previously stated, and in hindsight, it smells firstly of pushing for and then later staying off a second mislynch train, to me.

 

 

... (more incoming)...

[Cass]

(Further @ Lily)

 

Separate to the issues of Sili and Alanna, here's the other things from your ISO that stand out to me:

 

 

1. You hedge/sheep all your scum reads:

 

/snip

 

I have some townie reads, but no scum reads at this point. 

 

Not Bob, what is DM theory?

 

 

 

My current reads:

 

Town reads – Dice, Eldrick, Pral (buying the mason claim for now), Hallia, Cass, Sili, Yates (ditto), Not Bob, Verbal

 

Rest of the group where scum is likely to be found – Leelou, Alanna, Thane, Dawn, Sooh, Wombat

 

 

I like this Wombat train. Like Alanna, I am not getting the town vibe from him that I usually do. He is also in my "willing to lynch" pool, so.....

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

 

This is where I'm at for now. I confess, the reads are mostly gut at this point.

 

Town reads – Pral (buying the mason claim for now), Cass, Yates (ditto), Not Bob, Verbal, Leelou, Eldrick

 

Rest of the group where scum is likely to be found –Nolder, Sooh, Wombat, Hallia, Alanna, Dice

 

 

Alanna is a scum read for me, so I'm going to vote there. Having said that, something seems really off about Arsis' way of going about this.

 

 

[v]Alanna[/v]

 

 

 

I disagree that she was town telling, although she did seem less scummy to me towards the end than she did before. 

 

 

 

 

I'm adding Alanna to my initial town reads.  Awesome post.

 

I agree. I'm also not directing the power roles. It's their job to decide where to use their roles. 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Your voting is sus. No Lynch, Sheeping/ill-defined reasons for all of your votes:

 

I'm in the same boat as Thane here. I would like to vote for information, since I have no scum reads, but there really isn't anyone who would give us good info, either. I'll try to get back on by deadline. 

 

And people, I said in the signup thread that I would be this active, so if it's a problem for you, that would have been the time to speak up. 

 

[V]No lynch[/v]

 

I would normally never do this day one, but this time it seems the thing to do. 

(Why 'never' do this D1, but then suggest that it's ok?)

 

 

 

I haven't caught up the whole thread, but I haven't had a good feeling about Sili, either. I thought maybe it was because I don't understand him, but if so many others feel the same way, I'll vote there. 

 

Unvote

Vote Sili

(The only thing you've said about Sili by this point is that you don't think he's scum, and placed him in your Town reads (quotes in previous post)).

 

 

I'm not sure what to think of this doll. In most games with items, if the possessor of an item dies, the item is out of play. But who knows if Kay is doing that? I'd like to lynch Alanna, who I have a scum read on, and see if that happens. But I don't like the way Arsis presented his case. He gave us the impression that Alanna was evil, not the item. He came forward later and corrected that assumption. Honestly, I think I'm going to sit on all this for now, and go back to Wombat, who is a stronger scum read for me. 

 

Vote Wombat

 

 

 

If Wombat shows more town behavior, I'll reconsider my vote. Right now, he's my only strong scum read. Maybe the rest of the scum team was on Alanna's train and he wanted to spread the votes out. 

(All you've said on Wombat before here is when you mention the possible scummy link between him and Alanna in the post where she says she doesn't think he's scum, and the post in the third quote above, where you initially follow her onto his train)

 

 

 

I see what you're saying Verb. She is off this game. 

 

Unvote

Vote Leelou

- You've admitted to Sheeping Verb here, and I kind of understand that (his case was compelling and Leelou's responses were crap), but you asked no extra questions/put in no extra work and the timing of it - when it was pretty obvious Leelou was trolling/immediately before she hinted bomb - and that seems off to me. 

 

 

 

 

3. Early on, when Eldrick's drawing heat,  you caution that he may get your vote for talking distractions/triggers, right before you put him in your list as Town:

 

Eldrick, if you keep focusing on the distraction instead of the game, you're going to get my vote as well. 

 

 

 

I like the vibe you're putting out right now Lily.  What're your thoughts on anyone else?

 

I'm feeling town on Eldrick and you. Of course, it is only day one, so they are tentative reads at this point. Not Bob seems okay, too, for now, 

 

 

 

...

 

[Cass]

4. **This is a long one, bear with me.

 

You vote/mislynch Sili because you 'haven't had a good feeling' (which is contradictory to your previous reads/mentions of him), and then, after your vote, you sheep on the idea that he could be SK/wouldn't be safe with a gun:

 

 

 

So no specific and good reason. Just generic: this guy feels like scum after 5 days and 150 posts.

Dice, thing with voting me if you're town right now is you want a good reason because if you're wrong you're lynching a power role day 1. Right now the people who are voting me... they don't really have a good reason.

Wombat has had it in for me since his first post. Granted he put work in, but only after I requested it, and in my opinion his arguments are questionable at the very best.
Alanna has kept me as a yellow read all game, for 'reasons'. I saw this coming.
Cass is voting me because 'reasons' that I asked her to clarify but she seems to be unable to.

Not to mention Not bob.

Anyway, I'm a vigilante. I found a gun.

 

You look more like an SK to me and I see very little reason to leave you alive even if you are a vig.

 

This

 

 

 

And you re-iterate this again, after the lynch, with an apology, before he actually flips Town:

 

Even if he is a vig, I wouldn't trust Sili with a gun. Sorry, Sili. 

 

 

After the flip is revealed, you explain to Yates that lynch is the option you would choose because a) you don't trust Sili and b) you don't like Wildcards:

 

 

 

I haven't caught up the whole thread, but I haven't had a good feeling about Sili, either. I thought maybe it was because I don't understand him, but if so many others feel the same way, I'll vote there. 
 
Unvote
Vote Sili

Lily - do you usually lynch Vig claims? Also, where do you typically fall on the "leashing the SK" argument?

 

 

No, no usually. But I don't trust Sili with a gun. He's too erratic. Explain the argument to me, please. 

 

 

 

 

The leashing the SK argument? Either the SK claims or an investigation finds the SK. The SK promises to only shoot targets the Town chooses in order to live. The POE is pretty good and you know if he shoots where Town says you will almost certainly hit scum. Do you let the SK live and shoot if you lunch wrong or just lynch the SK anyway?

 

I'd lynch the SK anyway. I don't like wild cards.

 

 

 

But then

 

After Alanna has flipped Town and Arsis is outed as 3P, you react differently and don't vote to lynch even though you've expressed distrust of him and he's a definite wild card/still potentially dangerous to Town. 

 

Instead, you ask him what his plan is and you appear to be entertaining the idea of letting him 'help the Town':

 

What are you going to do from here, Arsis? Help town win or just do whatever gives you lulz?

 

I'm always suspicious of Arsis. That's a null tell to me. 

 

 

 

Then, when he is removed, you take the side of Town again, saying that you're glad he was removed:

 

I'm glad to see Arsis removed. I didn't want to spend a lynch on him, but I didn't want him around, either. Wildcard.

 

 

 

 

 

5. You contradict yourself by having both Hallia and Alanna in your likely scum pile and then stating that you've been thinking 'all along' of them as 'Town on Town':

 

This is where I'm at for now. I confess, the reads are mostly gut at this point.

 

Town reads – Pral (buying the mason claim for now), Cass, Yates (ditto), Not Bob, Verbal, Leelou, Eldrick

 

Rest of the group where scum is likely to be found –Nolder, Sooh, Wombat, Hallia, Alanna, Dice

 

I've been thinking all along that the Hallia/Alanna thing was town on town, but that post of Alanna's pinged, and I'm reconsidering. 

 

 

 

The explanation in the post on the same topic to BFG, leaves out the fact that it was both Hallia and Alanna that you had in your 'possible Scum' pile, and just focuses on Alanna, and that seems strange to me.

/snip

 

My reads didn't really change. Alanna was in the group that I didn't feel particularly town on. And I didn't see anything particularly scummy on either side of the Alanna/Hallia exchange. Then Alanna pinged me. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And lastly,

 

 

6. You defend Leelou against Dice when he suggests the two of you might be Scum-Scum, but then change your read of her to null after more thorough comments by BFG:

 

 

vote lily

 

reading up i came out with a feeling that lily and leelou are mafia. I will have to try and dig up what it was exactly that gave me that vibe when im home from work. Gonna have to dig back thru pages

 

I can see where you might think I'm mafia. I'm playing horribly this game. But I'm not. I'm town. But Leelou seems pretty town to me. 

 

 

 

/SNIP (MULTIQUOTES AND COMMENTS FROM BFG)

 

I'm not exactly sure what you'd like me to comment on. I think Verb is solidly town. I can usually tell when he's scum by a gut feeling. I wish I could be more exact as to how I sniff him out, but I don't really know. As for Leelou, I had her in my town pile, but you're right about the lack of her casual interaction with Verb. It's almost as if she's avoiding him. She's in my null pile for now, and I'm watching her. 

 

 

 

and the interaction between the two of you at her lynch is slightly strange - I'm reading it as Leelou adding some distance by calling you out on the sheeping, and you respond by adding distance between you and her previous reads:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I see what you're saying Verb. She is off this game. 

 

Unvote

Vote Leelou

 

Shocker. 

 

 

I know, huh? I've been sheeping Verb all game and you have me in your strong town pile. That's weird in and of itself. You're right. I'm town, but I haven't done much to show for it. 

 

 

 

 

TLDR: It's sus. And I really don't think my mind is going to change.

 

[v]Lily[/v]

 

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Good analysis.  

 

Unvote, Vote Lily

[Cass]

^ Thank-you.

 

But shhhh, don't tell Dice I was awake...

 

I'm off to bed all, see you tomorrow!

[LilyElizabeth]

 

Ok.

 

Here goes.

 

@Lily:

 

 

Cass the one thing you left out of your summary is that I clearly said I didn't trust Sili with a gun. That's the main reason I helped lynch him. I honestly thought Alanna was scum, and was wrong. It happens. And I've admitted to sheeping Verb. He's an excellent player and read very strong town to me. 

 

The bold are the two things standing out as particularly inconsistent to me here, and it's stuff like this that has me most concerned about your play. The rest of the post can validly go either way, so is essentially null to me for now. 

 

 

 

Firstly, Sili.

 

I have no problem with you not trusting Sili with a gun - or voting wildcards. But that was not the reason you gave when you initially voted him. The reason you gave was:

 

I haven't caught up the whole thread, but I haven't had a good feeling about Sili, either. I thought maybe it was because I don't understand him, but if so many others feel the same way, I'll vote there. 

 

Unvote

Vote Sili

 

 

That you hadn't had a good feeling about him.

 

 

Yet, your only mentions of Sili prior to voting him was having him as a Town read:

 

 

 

Eldrick, if you keep focusing on the distraction instead of the game, you're going to get my vote as well. 

 

Is Sili scum?

 

 

I never understand half of what he says, but I don't think so yet. 

 

 

My current reads:

 

Town reads – Dice, Eldrick, Pral (buying the mason claim for now), Hallia, Cass, Sili, Yates (ditto), Not Bob, Verbal

 

Rest of the group where scum is likely to be found – Leelou, Alanna, Thane, Dawn, Sooh, Wombat

 

 

You don't think he's scum, and you have him in your Town reads.

 

 

 

Immediately before that, you voted for No Lynch:

 

[V]No lynch[/v]

 

I would normally never do this day one, but this time it seems the thing to do. 

 

 

Which you justified days later with:

 

 

 

Thought on the No Lynch at EoD D1

 

Thane voting for it makes sense. he was the cop, and wanted to get info before lynching.

Sili's reasoning was not trusting the wagons, or the vibes in the air. Not sure how to take that.

 

@Lily. You said you don't normally No Lynch D1. Why did you want to this time?

 

I didn't have any suspects at that time, and didn't want to lynch town or start a new train at that late date. 

 

 

This is potentially justifiable, but it also further confirms that you weren't thinking Sili was scummy enough to vote.

 

 

You didn't mention anything about the gun until after you voted for Sili, so I don't buy that as the 'main reason' you 'helped lynch him'. 

 

 

The vote feels rushed and opportunistic, like you're trying to jump in with Town, which is fine, but the reasons before your vote are weak and inconsistent with your previous reads, your reasons afterwards are consensus with the rest of the thread, and the end result is mislynched Town. I don't trust it.

 

 

 

 

 

On Alanna.

 

The thing that irks me about your comment/stance on the Alanna lynch is partly this:

 

Cass the one thing you left out of your summary is that I clearly said I didn't trust Sili with a gun. That's the main reason I helped lynch him. I honestly thought Alanna was scum, and was wrong. It happens. And I've admitted to sheeping Verb. He's an excellent player and read very strong town to me. 

 

If you honestly thought that she was Scum, why weren't you on her vote?

 

 

The rest of it has to do with what I pointed out in my summary:

 

/Snip

Lily - Reasons for votes seem forced/opportunistic/sheepish, justifies all as gut. Day 1 vote on Sili came from nowhere prior to catching up/majority already secured and was somewhat contradictory to first impression (scum/sheep). Sheeps Wombat on 'you look more like SK to me' for vote on Sili, justifies lynching Vig by not trusting Sili with a gun (unnecessary). Votes Wombat after train develops, reasoning seems forced.  FOS at Alanna for her moving off of Wombat, contradicts previous reads.  Quick vote to put Alanna at L-1 concerning after doll reveal, but corrected. States would always lynch SK (Sili) - doesn't like wildcards, but later doesn't lynch/move on Arsis/Alanna with possible anti-Town role, hedges with return to Wombat vote. Defends Leelou against Dice, later changes read to null following Verbal/Leelou comments by BFG. Sheeps Verb on final vote.

 

But here's a more detailed explanation.

 

 

Here's the point where you first voted Alanna, putting her at L-1 with no discussion about the doll, even though you mention that something seems 'really off' about Arsis.

 

Alanna is a scum read for me, so I'm going to vote there. Having said that, something seems really off about Arsis' way of going about this.

 

 

[v]Alanna[/v]

 

 

Really? Without any discussion at all about what I've said about the doll? There is for sure more than one scum on this lynch train. I can't believe so many townies would be dumb enough to rush into this.

 

I believe I'm at L-1.

 

 

 

Alanna is a scum read for me, so I'm going to vote there. Having said that, something seems really off about Arsis' way of going about this.

 

 

[v]Alanna[/v]

 

If you're town, you should really unvote until more people can weigh in on this. But I'm beginning to doubt that you're town.

 

 

 

I mean, especially given that you said you think there's something off about Arsis?

 

FWIW, I think he is probably telling the truth and is town...but there is definitely the possibility that scum somehow found out about this item. In which case lynching me could be a 2 for 1 for them. They get a townie lynched, and probably also have a chance to get their hands on this anti-town item. Which I'm betting they can use.

 

 

I didn't realize I put you at L-1. You're right that there should be more discussion.

 

Unvote for now. 

 

 

You did unvote for further consideration, but then, instead of voting either Alanna - which would be more consistent with you believing, as you say, that she was Scum, or Arsis, on the risk that he was the Scum or wildcard -  which you insinuate, you hedge:

 

 

I'm not sure what to think of this doll. In most games with items, if the possessor of an item dies, the item is out of play. But who knows if Kay is doing that? I'd like to lynch Alanna, who I have a scum read on, and see if that happens. But I don't like the way Arsis presented his case. He gave us the impression that Alanna was evil, not the item. He came forward later and corrected that assumption. Honestly, I think I'm going to sit on all this for now, and go back to Wombat, who is a stronger scum read for me. 

 

Vote Wombat

 

 

It's inconsistent with things you've previously stated, and in hindsight, it smells firstly of pushing for and then later staying off a second mislynch train, to me.

 

 

... (more incoming)...

 

As for Sili, I changed my mind. At first I thought he was town, then his posts started feeling scummy. Once he revealed, there was no way I was moving my vote. 

 

As for Alanna, I did and still do, want a Wombat lynch. If you noticed all that, you must have noticed that I've been consistent with that. That's why, while I say Alanna seemed scummy, I kept my vote where I most wanted it. 

[LilyElizabeth]

 

(Further @ Lily)

 

Separate to the issues of Sili and Alanna, here's the other things from your ISO that stand out to me:

 

 

1. You hedge/sheep all your scum reads:

 

/snip

 

I have some townie reads, but no scum reads at this point. 

 

Not Bob, what is DM theory?

 

 

 

My current reads:

 

Town reads – Dice, Eldrick, Pral (buying the mason claim for now), Hallia, Cass, Sili, Yates (ditto), Not Bob, Verbal

 

Rest of the group where scum is likely to be found – Leelou, Alanna, Thane, Dawn, Sooh, Wombat

 

 

I like this Wombat train. Like Alanna, I am not getting the town vibe from him that I usually do. He is also in my "willing to lynch" pool, so.....

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

 

This is where I'm at for now. I confess, the reads are mostly gut at this point.

 

Town reads – Pral (buying the mason claim for now), Cass, Yates (ditto), Not Bob, Verbal, Leelou, Eldrick

 

Rest of the group where scum is likely to be found –Nolder, Sooh, Wombat, Hallia, Alanna, Dice

 

 

Alanna is a scum read for me, so I'm going to vote there. Having said that, something seems really off about Arsis' way of going about this.

 

 

[v]Alanna[/v]

 

 

 

I disagree that she was town telling, although she did seem less scummy to me towards the end than she did before. 

 

 

 

 

I'm adding Alanna to my initial town reads.  Awesome post.

 

I agree. I'm also not directing the power roles. It's their job to decide where to use their roles. 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Your voting is sus. No Lynch, Sheeping/ill-defined reasons for all of your votes:

 

I'm in the same boat as Thane here. I would like to vote for information, since I have no scum reads, but there really isn't anyone who would give us good info, either. I'll try to get back on by deadline. 

 

And people, I said in the signup thread that I would be this active, so if it's a problem for you, that would have been the time to speak up. 

 

[V]No lynch[/v]

 

I would normally never do this day one, but this time it seems the thing to do. 

(Why 'never' do this D1, but then suggest that it's ok?)

 

 

 

I haven't caught up the whole thread, but I haven't had a good feeling about Sili, either. I thought maybe it was because I don't understand him, but if so many others feel the same way, I'll vote there. 

 

Unvote

Vote Sili

(The only thing you've said about Sili by this point is that you don't think he's scum, and placed him in your Town reads (quotes in previous post)).

 

 

I'm not sure what to think of this doll. In most games with items, if the possessor of an item dies, the item is out of play. But who knows if Kay is doing that? I'd like to lynch Alanna, who I have a scum read on, and see if that happens. But I don't like the way Arsis presented his case. He gave us the impression that Alanna was evil, not the item. He came forward later and corrected that assumption. Honestly, I think I'm going to sit on all this for now, and go back to Wombat, who is a stronger scum read for me. 

 

Vote Wombat

 

 

 

If Wombat shows more town behavior, I'll reconsider my vote. Right now, he's my only strong scum read. Maybe the rest of the scum team was on Alanna's train and he wanted to spread the votes out. 

(All you've said on Wombat before here is when you mention the possible scummy link between him and Alanna in the post where she says she doesn't think he's scum, and the post in the third quote above, where you initially follow her onto his train)

 

 

 

I see what you're saying Verb. She is off this game. 

 

Unvote

Vote Leelou

- You've admitted to Sheeping Verb here, and I kind of understand that (his case was compelling and Leelou's responses were crap), but you asked no extra questions/put in no extra work and the timing of it - when it was pretty obvious Leelou was trolling/immediately before she hinted bomb - and that seems off to me. 

 

 

 

 

3. Early on, when Eldrick's drawing heat,  you caution that he may get your vote for talking distractions/triggers, right before you put him in your list as Town:

 

Eldrick, if you keep focusing on the distraction instead of the game, you're going to get my vote as well. 

 

 

 

I like the vibe you're putting out right now Lily.  What're your thoughts on anyone else?

 

I'm feeling town on Eldrick and you. Of course, it is only day one, so they are tentative reads at this point. Not Bob seems okay, too, for now, 

 

 

 

...

 

 

I have said before and I'll probably have to say again that I am not on my best game this game. I simply don't have the time to juggle two at once. I don't know what I was thinking. 

[dicetosser1]

Leaving it here for now. Back after dinner.

 

@Dice

 

 

At a reasonable hour. And also, shh. I'm allowed to stay up late on weekends.

 

 

 

2:55AM is not a REASONBLE HOUR missy!!

 

^ Thank-you.

 

But shhhh, don't tell Dice I was awake...

 

I'm off to bed all, see you tomorrow!

 

PS i can read time stamps.   taps foot

 

 

 

 

 

So after all that  anyone still think Cass is mafia?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

Leaving it here for now. Back after dinner.

 

@Dice

 

 

At a reasonable hour. And also, shh. I'm allowed to stay up late on weekends.

 

 

 

2:55AM is not a REASONBLE HOUR missy!!

 

^ Thank-you.

 

But shhhh, don't tell Dice I was awake...

 

I'm off to bed all, see you tomorrow!

 

PS i can read time stamps.   taps foot

 

 

 

 

 

So after all that  anyone still think Cass is mafia?

 

 

As a matter of fact I do...until I see the Lily flip...even with that...she is in no way LOCK CLEAR!

[dicetosser1]

im not saying lock clear bob

 

 

but that didnt seem like town work and tone to you?

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Lily (4): Dice, Eldrick, Cass, Not Bob

Dice (1): Hally

Wombat (1): Lily

Hally (1): Wombat

Not Voting (2): Pral, Verbal

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch


Deadline is Sunday, April 12th @ 4:30pm MST
Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150412T1630&p0=3862&fg1=d390c2&fg2=a39de0&msg=End+of+D4&csz=1

 

LILY IS AT L-1

[LilyElizabeth]

Should I self vote now?

[Hallia]

Lily's posts are coming off as townie to me. 

 

 

I'm here-ish. Trying to catch up and all that now. 

 

So far, feeling good about Lily and Hallia. I'm getting bad feelz from Eldrick for pushing on the mason thing and the talk about triggers. More in depth thoughts when I feel comfortably caught up. 

 

 

 

 

I'm here-ish. Trying to catch up and all that now. 

 

So far, feeling good about Lily and Hallia. I'm getting bad feelz from Eldrick for pushing on the mason thing and the talk about triggers. More in depth thoughts when I feel comfortably caught up.

Verbal?

 

 

Haven't read him close enough yet. Getting ready to do that now. 

 

 

 

Order not indicative of townieness to scuminess (order of sign ups)

 

Alanna - Alanna is one I never want to clear too early. Her posts have seemed to have been made from a townie tone, but I really can't judge her for a day or two. Null with strong town leans. 

Lily - I have a way of reading Lily's posts and knowing when they come from Town!Lily or Scum!Lily and her posts are coming from Town!Lily. Town

Dice - not hiding, so those are points in his townie pool. I don't really see where he is coming from re:Hallia. 

Thane - Still waiting to see if my theory pans out after a phase or so. Holding in null. 

Dawn  Mrs. Clov - Earth to Dawn???

Eldrick - pushed distractions with talk of triggers and just a general meh feeling from the push on Yates/masons to be lynched. Scum lean

Pral - as of yet, has not denied being masons with Yates - town pile until proven otherwise

Sooh (mentored by Nyn) - no clue, never played with her before. Will take me some time or something big to jump out at me. 

Hally - liking her tone, slight town lean 

Cass (mentored by Darthe) - lots of question marks in her list. Slightly weary. 

Sili - General town lean from posts, posting is fluid, in a weird Sili sorta way. I don't agree with your read on Eldrick though. That boy is giving me scum vibes. 

Yates - claiming masons with Pral - town pile until proven otherwise

Not Bob - I might currently hate you because your name is a witch to ISO. Eh. No need to push on Dawn. Me thinks you are going down the rabbit hole after Sili. Could potentially be scum, but leaning null with scum undertones until I see more from you. What does your magic 8 ball say? 

Verbal - After reading his posts, I really like them. He's coming off as involved and not being overly snarky. Town

Wombat - Kinda sketchy, but not enough to want to lynch yet. I'm watching you though. 

 

If no lynch were to go through and this was as of right now: 

Vig - Eldrick

Cop - Wombat 

Doc - themselves, until a better target is made known

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lily - I have a way of reading Lily's posts and knowing when they come from Town!Lily or Scum!Lily and her posts are coming from Town!Lily. Town

What's to prevent me from thinking about a Lily/Leelou sandwich scum team?

 

 

The fact that that is not the case.

 

Oh. Well if you say so I guess I should just trust you?

 

 

On this? Yes. 

 

 

Up through page 40, here are the sum total of Leelou's legit posts, the rest were "I'm going to catch up" posts.

[Hallia]

 

[unvote]

[v]leelou[/v]

So this feels completely out of left field. Reasons?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[unvote]

[v]leelou[/v]

So this feels completely out of left field. Reasons?

 

 

 

Light suspicions.

 

I was hoping leelou would ask me, so I could engage her in a conversation.

 

That's what I suspected. It just felt weird. Well the vote and suspicions are still there for her to answer to, I guess. :)

 

 

 

 

 

Yates' point is a cop with a town view is like mason partners in that if you lynch the cop you get a confirmed townie.

Oh gotcha. I missed that. That makes more sense. Again important distinction between the two. Masons aren't an important role. Cop is. I wouldn't lynch an important role to prove they were telling the truth.

 

 

Masons are important though. Every town is important. I still don't get why you would want to sacrifice one on D1. Still leaning scummy on you. 

 

 

 

I take that back. Sili is voting Leelou, to see how she would react. Reaction: ignored

 

[V]Leelou[/v]

 

 

lol - yeah none of your posts have made me change my mind, Eldrick. 

 

Up through 46, it seems like most interaction for Leelou was re:Lily and with Eldrick.

[Eldrick4221]

im not saying lock clear bob

 

 

but that didnt seem like town work and tone to you?

It feels to me that you are unnecessarily defending her. I also think she's town, but if she flips scum, this is going to look bad on you.

[LilyElizabeth]

Oh for Pete's sake, if you're going to lynch me, do it already. 

[Hallia]

That sounds odd coming from you Lily, if you were town, you should be trying, at least putting out a read list to go on, your thoughts.

[LilyElizabeth]

I'm just doing such a lousy job this game I kinda want it over. 

[LilyElizabeth]

Okay, I'll at least leave you with this. Wombat and Not Bob are scum. Those are my reads. 

[Hallia]

There you go Lily!  Don't let it bug you, I do a lousy job all the time, and I by no means think you're doing lousy

[Hallia]

 

You've played all of one game with him, how can you judge how he'd react to if he roled scum 2 games in a row?

 

To me he's dropped the mason thing and the trigger distraction to please the crowd. Last game he didn't really have any reads on his own and sheeped. He's sheeping sili right now because you just pushed him.

This is true. I have no reason to think, though, the scum strategy would be "just let yourself get lynched with complete and total apathy and I'm sure someone will come in and rescue you."

 

If you don't like that answer? Then; "tone."

 

 

 

 

 

Hallia, what are your thoughts on Sili?

Whats the likelyhood i tripped a couple triggers? Im town cass.

 

Town should not be gambling on cfding me.

 

 

What do triggers have to do with anything? What's the likelihood that having a trigger means you're Town?

 

Why are you voting Leelou, over everybody else? I can see the benefit of it for some reasons, but at the moment she's mostly null to me and everyone on her train seems more likely to be mafia-aligned. Am I missing something vital here? 

 

 

 

Did u just call leelous train scummy when yates and eldrick who u suddenly dont want to lynch are on it?

 

Do u have a real reason to lynch me cass?

 

More of Leelou's interactions.