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[Verbal32]

 

And as to lynching yates, while it might not be justification in your narrow world, it was in mine. Why? Because I've seen yates be that aggressive a lot lately. I said it's been a long time since I've seen town yates. I said it you know? And you don't think we have a different perspective on what's more/less likely?

 

You think that difference in perspectives actually means anything. You think it means enough to keep yoru vote on me for 5 real life days?

 

I was using it as justification to build a wagon on him wombat. To get a better read of him. Why don't you know that? Because I made it pretty clear.

 

It's been a long time since I've seen Town Yates too, but I remember that he's almost always aggressive.  I can accept different perspectives.  I can't accept ones that make no sense from a town PoV.  And just because I have my vote somewhere doesn't mean I don't have multiple irons in the fire.  I was pushing Hallia and probing others.

 

 

This is false.  You don't bury your vote when you're in scumhunting mode - you fling your vote around without explanation.  You even called it "Wombatting" earlier.  If you aren't moving your vote, you aren't using your form of scumhunting.  Sili is right on this.

[Hallia]

10/10 would vote Wombat

[Verbal32]

What a wonderful x-post wombat.

 

I can't swear, so it's tempered a little, but I am immensely frustrated. And you can certainly understand why I think it's silly to be voted for information.

 

What kind of information will you even get out of this? Nothing, certainly, that you wouldn't have known otherwise.

 

 

 

And wombat, you just slipped.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]wombat[/v]

 

You called me frustrated in our first interaction. You said it was scummy. Now you're here telling me you expect me to be frustrated. This isn't real thought progression.

 

You can die after I do, or better yet, maybe you can die before if enough people are around.

 

This is also accurate.  Very early on, Wombat used Sili's frustration as a scumtell, and now he's expecting him to be frustrated/mad as a townie (when Sili was being apathetic).

 

Very contradictory, and coupled with my above quote on his behavior, I'm down with this.

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

[Hallia]

[unvote]

 

[v] wombat [/v]

[Alanna]

Does anyone know how many times Wombat and Sili have played together? Or, Wombat, if you're around, could you tell me?

[Yates]

Does anyone know how many times Wombat and Sili have played together? Or, Wombat, if you're around, could you tell me?

Probably 3 times? Maybe more. Why?

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count

 

Hally (1): Dice

Eldrick (1): Not Bob

Lily (1): Eldrick

Wombat (2): Verbal, Hally

 

Not Voting (9): Leelou, Alanna Lily, Nolder, Pral, Sooh, Cass, Yates, Wombat

 

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

 

Deadline is Monday April 6th at 4pm MST.

 

Countdown timer: http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20150406T16&p0=3862&msg=End+of+D2&csz=1

[Kaylee]

 

 

I actually noticed them in D1, but it didn't affect the day's outcome.

 

Hally voted Dice without unvoting me

Sili voted NonBob without unvoting Hally

Yates voted Sili without unvoting me

 

I can get the quotes if you really want them.

 

 

Should've been pointed out then. If you want a prefect mod look elsewhere. Otherwise know that I might make a mistake. When I do say something. If it's done politely and when I can do something about it then i will.

I'm sorry, that was not intended to be a stab at your modding. I was just making sure it still applied. I didn't notice the unvote slips when they happened. I noticed them on my reread.

I didn't notice either. But what's done is done and I'll pay better attention today. If I mess up someone please point it out. Thank you

[Yates]

If I mess up someone please point it out. Thank you

Kaylee?

 

I might actually love you.

[Kaylee]

 

If I mess up someone please point it out. Thank you

Kaylee?

 

I might actually love you.

Too bad I don't feel the same

 

And it won't help you in this game! *evil cackle*

[Alanna]

 

Does anyone know how many times Wombat and Sili have played together? Or, Wombat, if you're around, could you tell me?

Probably 3 times? Maybe more. Why?

 

 

Trying to decide how I feel about his interplay with Sili. I'm just gonna say this, but I have a lot of trouble following and understanding Sili. And I'm not really sure why that is - it's not a tone or a language thing. Sometimes I think it's just me, because he'll seem to be just be all over the place, and sometimes I'll read a post of his and just literally not know what he's saying. But then later he'll be like 'But I've been so clear!' and I just feel like I'm missing something when it comes to him. I'm not saying it's his fault, necessarily, but our brain waves just don't jive, I think. It's something I've really been thinking about when I play with him. I think maybe he's not as transparent about the flow of his thoughts to me, because I think I just often don't see how he gets from one place to the next.

 

Anyway, I'm not trying to rag on Sili, I'm just saying, I have this problem with him. And I would always find him scummy because of it, except that I've now played with him enough times that I realize I can't really trust my gut instinct to find him scummy. (Which basically leaves me feeling like i have no idea how to read him, but that's not really the point here). My point is, I can see how someone like Wombat, who tends to be pretty logical, might have a similar problem with Sili, and his seeming to jump all over the place. I haven't had a chance to reread yet, but from what I remember, that was a lot of Wombat's argument against Sili, that he seemed all over the place. I was reading their exchange at EOD and couldn't figure out if this was scum Wombat pressing an easy lynch target, or if he just genuinely had a problem with Sili's play and found it scummy.

 

So, I was wondering how much experience he had playing with Sili. If he hasn't played with him much, then I can see that maybe he really just found Sili's play, which was kind of typical for him, scummy. If he has more experience with him, then that raises my suspicions. I will admit that i haven't had that strong townie feel about Wombat that I sometimes get from him at the start of a game, but I don't always get that feeling every time he's town. Sometimes it takes until Day 2 or 3 before I start feeling more certain about him.

 

Sorry for the rambling explanation, I am in desperate need of some sleep, so my thoughts aren't really sticking together well atm.

 

As for others on the Sili lynch - I feel okay about Lily's vote. Nolder, it's hard to tell. His voting Sili when Sili refused to work with the town is definitely something he would do, but that would also be a convenient excuse to vote him as mafia. I don't have any experience playing with Cass, but I believe she'd telegraphed iffy feelings about Sili earlier, so her vote doesn't seem too off. Not bob, I have no idea. TBH, I was one of those people who wasn't crazy about his play Day 1, but others who know him better kept saying he was okay, so I didn't say anything. But I wasn't really ever sure about that whole "slip" of Sili's, and if I look at it totally objectively and don't let what others say about him cloud my instinct, then I kind of feel it was a pretty lazy vote.

 

I'm not limiting my suspects to the Sii lynch, though. I'm kind of uncomfortable doing that because I know I myself didn't have a very good reason to vote Sili, and you know, it was Day 1. That happens to a lot of people. It seems likely there was at least one scum on Sili's lynch, but it's also possible there wasn't, either. However, I really need to do a reread of earlier stuff on Day 1, and I'm not sure if I'll have time for that today. Maybe later this evening, if not, tomorrow.

 

I'm definitely suspecting Hallia. (The world has returned to normal, I guess?) I think I outlined it earlier, but I just don't get her play at EOD. She claims she was pretty much online the last 2 or 3 hours leading up to the lynch. I checked back, and the last time she posted (before she turned up about 10 minutes before the deadline) was about an hour and a half before deadline - she posted a couple of times then, and was only posting about her vote on dice, and dice voting her. So I don't get her turning up so close to deadline and being so against the Sili lynch and trying to stop it when there obviously is no time. I don't get sitting back and watching that last couple of hours and not saying anything to try and stop Sili's lynch, or trying to ask others if we can consolidate elsewhere.

 

She votes for dice a few hours before deadline - okay, fine. He was her top scum suspect, and maybe she's thinking others will follow her vote. But I just think at some point you realize this isn't going to happen - and no, not so late as ten minutes before deadline - and start asking if others who are online are willing to lynch elsewhere. You know? The only townie explanation I can put together on her behavior is that she really thought others would follow her onto dice, even though pretty much no one else was talking about lynching him, and she wasn't pushing him as a candidate at others, either.

 

Anyway. Those are my kind of scattered thoughts. I need a nap and then I have to get some errands done, but hopefully I'll be in and out here. Just FYI, Easter is kind of a huge deal in my household, and we have a lot of church and family stuff to do, starting this evening and going on through Monday, so I may not be here too much over the next three days. But I do really want to get to that reread, so I will try.

[Hallia]

So which is it? I wasn't arounf for two or three hours leading up to the lynch or I was? You sayni wasn't, except for the time I posted, which means I was.

 

 

Having a hard time following you

[Hallia]

So which is it? I wasn't arounf for two or three hours leading up to the lynch or I was? You sayni wasn't, except for the time I posted, which means I was.

 

 

Having a hard time following you

[LilyElizabeth]

 

Thought on the No Lynch at EoD D1

 

Thane voting for it makes sense. he was the cop, and wanted to get info before lynching.

Sili's reasoning was not trusting the wagons, or the vibes in the air. Not sure how to take that.

 

@Lily. You said you don't normally No Lynch D1. Why did you want to this time?

 

 

I also noticed that Yates jumped his vote around a LOT in the last few hours. Does that mean anything?

 

 

I didn't have any suspects at that time, and didn't want to lynch town or start a new train at that late date. 

[WWWwombat]

 

 

And as to lynching yates, while it might not be justification in your narrow world, it was in mine. Why? Because I've seen yates be that aggressive a lot lately. I said it's been a long time since I've seen town yates. I said it you know? And you don't think we have a different perspective on what's more/less likely?

 

You think that difference in perspectives actually means anything. You think it means enough to keep yoru vote on me for 5 real life days?

 

I was using it as justification to build a wagon on him wombat. To get a better read of him. Why don't you know that? Because I made it pretty clear.

 

It's been a long time since I've seen Town Yates too, but I remember that he's almost always aggressive.  I can accept different perspectives.  I can't accept ones that make no sense from a town PoV.  And just because I have my vote somewhere doesn't mean I don't have multiple irons in the fire.  I was pushing Hallia and probing others.

 

 

This is false.  You don't bury your vote when you're in scumhunting mode - you fling your vote around without explanation.  You even called it "Wombatting" earlier.  If you aren't moving your vote, you aren't using your form of scumhunting.  Sili is right on this.

 

 

I probably tunneled Sili too much.  I'm going to have to reassess some things.  At the time, I saw no reason to move my vote from a guy who was my #1 from very near the beginning.  And I don't always play as fast and loose with my vote as you seem to think.  I will admit that not moving my vote at all is abnormal for me, but it's pretty abnormal for me as scum as well as town, so I don't see how it's a scumtell in your eyes.

[WWWwombat]

10/10 would vote Wombat

 

 

 

What a wonderful x-post wombat.

 

I can't swear, so it's tempered a little, but I am immensely frustrated. And you can certainly understand why I think it's silly to be voted for information.

 

What kind of information will you even get out of this? Nothing, certainly, that you wouldn't have known otherwise.

 

 

 

And wombat, you just slipped.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]wombat[/v]

 

You called me frustrated in our first interaction. You said it was scummy. Now you're here telling me you expect me to be frustrated. This isn't real thought progression.

 

You can die after I do, or better yet, maybe you can die before if enough people are around.

 

This is also accurate.  Very early on, Wombat used Sili's frustration as a scumtell, and now he's expecting him to be frustrated/mad as a townie (when Sili was being apathetic).

 

Very contradictory, and coupled with my above quote on his behavior, I'm down with this.

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

 

 

[unvote]

 

[v] wombat [/v]

 

This looks so terrible on you, Hally.

[Hallia]

I disagree, on Womby.

[Hallia]

Minus the on?

 

Why does it look terrible? Sili made good points against you as did Verb.

[WWWwombat]

Does anyone know how many times Wombat and Sili have played together? Or, Wombat, if you're around, could you tell me?

 

Probably 3 or 4 times IIRC.

[WWWwombat]

Minus the on?

 

Why does it look terrible? Sili made good points against you as did Verb.

 

But you couldn't vote me before Verb did?

[LilyElizabeth]

I like this Wombat train. Like Alanna, I am not getting the town vibe from him that I usually do. He is also in my "willing to lynch" pool, so.....

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

[Alanna]

So which is it? I wasn't arounf for two or three hours leading up to the lynch or I was? You sayni wasn't, except for the time I posted, which means I was.

 

 

Having a hard time following you

 

I didn't say you weren't around. Where in my post did I say that? I'm assuming you were around. You posted about an hour and a half before deadline, and you claimed to be around after that. Are you now saying you weren't around?

 

Honestlly, Hallia, I'm having a hard time following you.

[Verbal32]

 

 

 

And as to lynching yates, while it might not be justification in your narrow world, it was in mine. Why? Because I've seen yates be that aggressive a lot lately. I said it's been a long time since I've seen town yates. I said it you know? And you don't think we have a different perspective on what's more/less likely?

 

You think that difference in perspectives actually means anything. You think it means enough to keep yoru vote on me for 5 real life days?

 

I was using it as justification to build a wagon on him wombat. To get a better read of him. Why don't you know that? Because I made it pretty clear.

 

It's been a long time since I've seen Town Yates too, but I remember that he's almost always aggressive.  I can accept different perspectives.  I can't accept ones that make no sense from a town PoV.  And just because I have my vote somewhere doesn't mean I don't have multiple irons in the fire.  I was pushing Hallia and probing others.

 

 

This is false.  You don't bury your vote when you're in scumhunting mode - you fling your vote around without explanation.  You even called it "Wombatting" earlier.  If you aren't moving your vote, you aren't using your form of scumhunting.  Sili is right on this.

 

 

I probably tunneled Sili too much.  I'm going to have to reassess some things.  At the time, I saw no reason to move my vote from a guy who was my #1 from very near the beginning.  And I don't always play as fast and loose with my vote as you seem to think.  I will admit that not moving my vote at all is abnormal for me, but it's pretty abnormal for me as scum as well as town, so I don't see how it's a scumtell in your eyes.

 

 

I also think this is false.  Your vote is much more sluggish in movement when you're scum.  Why?  Because you're not really scumhunting when you're scum.  You go through the motions, sure, and you say the same things - this is what makes you good.  But the difference is your vote.  You move it around all the time as town.  And you never explain why at the time of the vote, which is your trademark.  You're not doing ANY of that here, and now you're trying to sell this being abnormal for any alignment when it is not --- it is abnormal for a town-Wombat, not a scum-Wombat.

 

 

 

 

 

10/10 would vote Wombat

 

 

 

What a wonderful x-post wombat.

 

I can't swear, so it's tempered a little, but I am immensely frustrated. And you can certainly understand why I think it's silly to be voted for information.

 

What kind of information will you even get out of this? Nothing, certainly, that you wouldn't have known otherwise.

 

 

 

And wombat, you just slipped.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]wombat[/v]

 

You called me frustrated in our first interaction. You said it was scummy. Now you're here telling me you expect me to be frustrated. This isn't real thought progression.

 

You can die after I do, or better yet, maybe you can die before if enough people are around.

 

This is also accurate.  Very early on, Wombat used Sili's frustration as a scumtell, and now he's expecting him to be frustrated/mad as a townie (when Sili was being apathetic).

 

Very contradictory, and coupled with my above quote on his behavior, I'm down with this.

 

[v]Wombat[/v]

 

 

 

[unvote]

 

[v] wombat [/v]

 

This looks so terrible on you, Hally.

 

 

How about ignore that part and respond to what I'm saying?

[Verbal32]

 

So which is it? I wasn't arounf for two or three hours leading up to the lynch or I was? You sayni wasn't, except for the time I posted, which means I was.

 

 

Having a hard time following you

 

I didn't say you weren't around. Where in my post did I say that? I'm assuming you were around. You posted about an hour and a half before deadline, and you claimed to be around after that. Are you now saying you weren't around?

 

Honestlly, Hallia, I'm having a hard time following you.

 

 

You're making me nervous, Alanna.  I'm finding Hallia very easy to follow right now, and I'm usually in the crowd of people that always find her scummy.  To be townreading her at this point, I feel that either:

 

1.  I'm being downright awful in my reads, or

 

2.  People saying she's hard to read right now are not being truthful.

 

 

As 2 of my early town reads (that I posted about well before anybody died) are now dead (lynch and NK), I feel that #1 is less likely than #2 in this game.  Thoughts on that?

[WWWwombat]

 

 

Does anyone know how many times Wombat and Sili have played together? Or, Wombat, if you're around, could you tell me?

Probably 3 times? Maybe more. Why?

 

 

Trying to decide how I feel about his interplay with Sili. I'm just gonna say this, but I have a lot of trouble following and understanding Sili. And I'm not really sure why that is - it's not a tone or a language thing. Sometimes I think it's just me, because he'll seem to be just be all over the place, and sometimes I'll read a post of his and just literally not know what he's saying. But then later he'll be like 'But I've been so clear!' and I just feel like I'm missing something when it comes to him. I'm not saying it's his fault, necessarily, but our brain waves just don't jive, I think. It's something I've really been thinking about when I play with him. I think maybe he's not as transparent about the flow of his thoughts to me, because I think I just often don't see how he gets from one place to the next.

 

Anyway, I'm not trying to rag on Sili, I'm just saying, I have this problem with him. And I would always find him scummy because of it, except that I've now played with him enough times that I realize I can't really trust my gut instinct to find him scummy. (Which basically leaves me feeling like i have no idea how to read him, but that's not really the point here). My point is, I can see how someone like Wombat, who tends to be pretty logical, might have a similar problem with Sili, and his seeming to jump all over the place. I haven't had a chance to reread yet, but from what I remember, that was a lot of Wombat's argument against Sili, that he seemed all over the place. I was reading their exchange at EOD and couldn't figure out if this was scum Wombat pressing an easy lynch target, or if he just genuinely had a problem with Sili's play and found it scummy.

 

So, I was wondering how much experience he had playing with Sili. If he hasn't played with him much, then I can see that maybe he really just found Sili's play, which was kind of typical for him, scummy. If he has more experience with him, then that raises my suspicions. I will admit that i haven't had that strong townie feel about Wombat that I sometimes get from him at the start of a game, but I don't always get that feeling every time he's town. Sometimes it takes until Day 2 or 3 before I start feeling more certain about him.

 

Sorry for the rambling explanation, I am in desperate need of some sleep, so my thoughts aren't really sticking together well atm.

 

Sili is definitely hard for me to read.  Last game I played with him, I CFD'd him on a hunch on D1 with disastrous results, so I feel kinda bad for mislynching him D1 again, but, given the same information, I'd do it again.  None of that means I can't read Sili or that I'm going to stop trying to.  He strikes me as spastic and instinctive, but I can read those types of players more often than not.  I used to have a very hard time reading either Lily or Des, but I didn't give up then and I won't now.  I just have to adjust each time I learn something new.