[Advanced] The Scouring of the Shire - Game Over

WWWwombat · January 15, 2015

I think it's likely the mafia were on Yates or inactive on D1. Of course, most of the game was inactive so that doesn't necessarily mean much. I'd say I favor a Pral lynch today as I thought his Krak vote was kinda crappy on D1 and I haven't liked his posts since. As for the people who voted Yates, I would say I'm null on Arsis and have a town lean on Krak. I didn't particularly like Krak's 3rd party spec thing, but I thought it could be a clumsy game start attempt and I liked a lot of the rest of his content. Now Krak says he had reasons, so idk what to think of that. FWIW Krak, I think that flavor-wise, your theory would make sense, but I don't really see 3rd party speculation as pro-town this early. Regarding Arsis, he's been erratic, irascible, and makes very little sense to me so far, which is pretty much how he has behaved in every game I've played with him, so I'd say he's null at this point. I don't like his vote on Yates, but I could totally see him doing it as town.

[v]Pral[/v]

Arsis · January 15, 2015

I get confused between reality and my schizophrenic delusions sometimes.

WWWwombat · January 15, 2015

This is mafia. Who doesn't?

Red2111 · January 15, 2015

new thoughts

given how these two wagons are acting i doubt we have two scum here. its either a scum and a town or two howling towns folk. i'm unsure which and with Pral being MIA its hard to get a better read.

Arsis's last post are still scummy, but his gaps in recalling events in the game read as a dis-interested townie rather than scrambling scum. i'm starting to think perhaps he's TSTBS. granted dis-interested townie isn't much better than scum in my book, but there you go.

Krak is making my hair stand on end, and not in a good "do it again" sorta way. idk what his end game is, but his moves dont make sense as either town or scum.

at this point, a Pral lynch will be most beneficial imo. his silence is damning, his alignment will shed a lot of light imo and he did defend Sili more D1 than Arsis.

a BIG FAT FoS @ Tina - who was super active D1, tried to get the game started, then goes POOF D2. its like you're trying to go into lurk mode and get people to forget what happened D1.

[unvote]

[v]Pral[/v]

new list

crushluv
womby

Zashara

Yates

Alanna
Krak

Tina
Pral

Arsis (possible TSTBS)

RE: Pral, just went back and picked out some posts. The first one is what seems to be making everyone suspicious of him. I agree with his vote for Krak, which is partially why I've got no lean on him, plus someone who I'm highly suspicious of (Arsis) voting for him is ... interesting, to say the least. Also, I think it's a bit too obvious to kill the person who suspected you because it draws a hell of a lot of attention to you. Sure, there's WIFOM potential, and I've used this as a tactic before in mafia, so I can't discount it. It's also a good move to try and frame someone and get the attention away from you, which scum here may be doing.

this is a good point and one i've been keeping in the back of my head. doesn't discount his scumminess on thread and defense of Sili, but its a very valid point town lean on Zashara for now

Yates is riding his fence.¹

I have my reason for mechanic speculation. ²

1. please expand on this

2. so basically you're basing your voting and casing on "what ifs" and "assumptions" rather than game play? dont game the mod dude

The two people who look worse off from sili and pral and Pral first and myself second. I know I'm town so it's Pral. I still don't like Yates or Red.

i get why you dont like me, but why yates? i mean specifically, i want a list, a case, actual points beyond the "he's scummy and i dont like his claim"

also, if you're town, why the "no your not" post to his claim? i get that you didn't believe it "because meta" but why be antagonistic over it.

and all of that Yates is WIFOM and reading into the actions of a confirmed scum.
Let's revisit after a couple of games/in the Dead QT. It isn't "WIFOM," it's speculation - aka game solving. I'm all about trying to determine motivation.¹ I start by asking myself what would be going through my mind as Sili's scum mate and work from there.

I mean seriously. Sili got hung out to dry with TWO VOTES. I'd be SUPER peeved if I were him - unless there was a darn good reason for it. I don't think it's a mistake to assume there was.²

1. thats simple. he's scum, his motivation is to screw over the town. there, question solved. focus less on Sili's motivations and how people in the game responded to his actions.

2. that is a valid point. in this case shouldn't you be FoSing myself for jumping off his lynch to the No Lynch and Zashara from jumping his lynch as well? why the hyper focus on Arsis but ignoring us?

Also, Yates' case on me is that I was online the same time as sili and that I know what Hybrid Hammer is and still voted for his fake claim and not sili's fake claim.
Yes. That's a piece of it. You have a problem with this logic?

Yes, I do.

What's the problem with it? I'm showing a logical inconsistency. That's a really nice way of finding scum.

How is it a logical inconsistency though? I didn't believe two people and can only vote for one. I didn't believe you twice as much as I didn't believe him. Did Red unvote? I'll have to go back and check.

really dude? my unvote and vote for no lynch after Sili's fake reveal was one reason why you voted me late D1

Krakalakachkn · January 15, 2015

@Red^^^

1. At that time my read on Yates was that he was involved without being involved, playing a reserved game that I've seen him do recently as scum.

2. You're taking this too far. I wasn't trying to game the mod.

Nolder · January 15, 2015

Votecount

Pral - Krak, Crusher, Arsis, Wombat, Red (5)

Arsis - Zashara, Yates (2)

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: Saturday 12PM PST

Arsis · January 15, 2015

Tstbs?

Red2111 · January 15, 2015

too scummy to be scum = TSTBS

Arsis · January 15, 2015

I thought it was too stupid to be scum. That's probably more fitting.

The Crusher · January 15, 2015

unvote for now

Want to give Pral a chance to defend and claim. Prevent the JN "ninja hammer."

The Crusher · January 15, 2015

I thought it was too stupid to be scum. That's probably more fitting.

So glad Lizzie isn't here. He would love these new acronyms and use them incorrectly the entire game. Thinking about outlawing them at JN, LOL

WWWwombat · January 15, 2015

I don't agree with most of what Red is saying but it looks like it comes from a town PoV so you do you, Red.

Yates · January 15, 2015

2. that is a valid point. in this case shouldn't you be FoSing myself for jumping off his lynch to the No Lynch and Zashara from jumping his lynch as well? why the hyper focus on Arsis but ignoring us?

As I already explained to Arsis; scum Red could have *easily* used the claim as an excuse to jump on the Yates wagon. You *were* here to unvote and had ample opportunity to save a scum buddy without catching any flak for it.

Zashara is more of the same. Plus, I believe Zashara when she says she'd rather no lynch and give a claimed PR an opportunity to prove their claim.

Also, it wasn't a "hyper focus" on Arsis. I had an opportunity to converse with one of my top 2 scum suspects in real time. I didn't like the answers.

I think both wagons are good. I wouldn't hammer Pral until he posts [good save, Crusher] but I wouldn't have shed a tear on a fast hammer either.

Niniel · January 15, 2015

I´ve told Nolder that I have to take a short break today and perhaps tomorrow. Too much work - not feeling well. Will definitely be back on Saturday when I have the whole day to myself. Sorry.

Arsis · January 15, 2015

I thought it was too stupid to be scum. That's probably more fitting.

So glad Lizzie isn't here. He would love these new acronyms and use them incorrectly the entire game. Thinking about outlawing them at JN, LOL

I think he's banned over here.

Red2111 · January 15, 2015

@Red^^^

1. At that time my read on Yates was that he was involved without being involved, playing a reserved game that I've seen him do recently as scum.

2. You're taking this too far. I wasn't trying to game the mod.

1. okay.

2. you're trying to figure out game mechanics rather than focusing on scum hunting; and the time at which you decided to bring up that point of discussion was when Sili was getting lots of heat. what i call it doesnt detract from the fact that it does nothing for scum hunting and is a distraction.

unvote for now

Want to give Pral a chance to defend and claim. Prevent the JN "ninja hammer."

fair enough

I don't agree with most of what Red is saying but it looks like it comes from a town PoV so you do you, Red.

fair enough

you never answered my question though. why did you ignore Pral yet vote me over the same thing D1 regarding yate's claim

Checking in. Yates sounds unnaturally like Yates. Let me guess - scum?

here Pral remarke on it. bascially FoSing Yates for tryignt o hard to be town

Sili feels like town here. Plays a bit scummy and rash when he is town and that is somewhat what we see here.

Crusher's vote on Sili seems weird. i can totally understand if he has not played with Sili, but if he has and has seen Sili post before, then I think it is a bit opportunistic\\

Tina aggressive in the beginning looks good for her.

Not very sure why a couple of people are suspecting Red here. I don't see the "hedging" in his post.

Yates seemed to try too hard to play how he plays as town initially. His later posts are more free and natural.

That is what I have so far

(Good, slow game :))

again Pral remarks on it

<3 womby & nyn & alanna & tina & yates

Not sure if Yates trying to be Yates or trying to hide behind meta

Who is eating who?

Loaded question imo

i post something about it as well, after yates went on hard selling his claim for multiple pages

<3 womby & nyn & alanna & tina & yates

Not sure if Yates trying to be Yates or trying to hide behind meta

Who is eating who?

Loaded question imo

<3 you too.

Hedge much tho?

[v]Red[/v]

BAM womby votes me for it, claiming i'm hedging

2. that is a valid point. in this case shouldn't you be FoSing myself for jumping off his lynch to the No Lynch and Zashara from jumping his lynch as well? why the hyper focus on Arsis but ignoring us?
As I already explained to Arsis; scum Red could have *easily* used the claim as an excuse to jump on the Yates wagon. You *were* here to unvote and had ample opportunity to save a scum buddy without catching any flak for it.

Zashara is more of the same. Plus, I believe Zashara when she says she'd rather no lynch and give a claimed PR an opportunity to prove their claim.

Also, it wasn't a "hyper focus" on Arsis. I had an opportunity to converse with one of my top 2 scum suspects in real time. I didn't like the answers.

I think both wagons are good. I wouldn't hammer Pral until he posts [good save, Crusher] but I wouldn't have shed a tear on a fast hammer either.

stop acting like you're an authority on what scum red wouldn't or would do. if you think you can "expect to know what scum red would or wouldn't do" then you're deluding yourself. i tailor my playstyle to make sure that meta based assumptions about my alignment (town or scum) are not very good to be counted on; because i'm spiteful towards meta based casing.

i say hyper focus because your pressuring him about his D1 vote and the fact that not voting Sili cause a tie with you and him (when you were a claimed power role, well really we had two claimed power roles), yet you're town reading me and Zashara who both unvoted Sili and caused it to go into a tie mode.

i just question this sort of logic behind your casing on him for this angel

I´ve told Nolder that I have to take a short break today and perhaps tomorrow. Too much work - not feeling well. Will definitely be back on Saturday when I have the whole day to myself. Sorry.

fair enough

Yates · January 15, 2015

stop acting like you're an authority on what scum red wouldn't or would do.

LOL - this isn't about meta. This is about smart game play. Sorry, but I guess I think you are smart...

Nolder · January 15, 2015

Votecount

Pral - Krak, Arsis, Wombat, Red (4)

Arsis - Zashara, Yates (2)

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: Saturday 12PM PST

Krakalakachkn · January 16, 2015

Has Pral even shown up yet?

The Crusher · January 16, 2015

Has Pral even shown up yet?

Too cold maybe?

Yates · January 16, 2015

Town reading her based on her meta.

Pral, dude, it's been 3 days. Timezone isn't an excuse anymore. Get in here and play!

@Mod - Could we please have a prod? Thanks!

Krakalakachkn · January 16, 2015

@Red^^^

1. At that time my read on Yates was that he was involved without being involved, playing a reserved game that I've seen him do recently as scum.

2. You're taking this too far. I wasn't trying to game the mod.

1. okay.

2. you're trying to figure out game mechanics rather than focusing on scum hunting; and the time at which you decided to bring up that point of discussion was when Sili was getting lots of heat. what i call it doesnt detract from the fact that it does nothing for scum hunting and is a distraction.

That's fine if you suspect me for it or vote for me, but I'm perfectly content leaving it there.

Pralaya · January 16, 2015

Was away on vacation last 2 days (Indian holiday here)

So, the case against me is that I was deflecting the focus away from Sili? Really? On page 5, with him having just one vote? It was an early meta read on him and nothing else.

Was I wrong? Yes, I was ... I don't expect to be perfect either in early gameplay

Pralaya · January 16, 2015

My main scum read would still be krak.

His D1 interaction with Sili appeared to me as distancing

I'll take that as a yes.

[v]Prof. Quirrels[/v]

no easy scum leans yet. kind of concerned krak voted me to bury his vote but i'll need more content

That post by Sili does not look like him attempting to make a case on krak nor a serious attempt. It is just there, which is why i feel it is a distancing move.

Plus, what I mentioned about Krak's posts looking forced in my D1 vote on him.

Also, Nyn and me having a discussion on D1 and then Nyn getting killed looks more like a move to put the focus on me. Krak started it during N1 and don't like it so far.

The other person I am having a scumread is Alanna. She is more of a type to think before making conclusions and seems like she is very quick to label me a scum due to a single page 5 post. And, that is really suspicious.

Pralaya · January 16, 2015

My reads would be as follows

Tina
Red
Crusher

Null/Confused read:

Arsis
Wombat
Zashara
Yates

Alanna
Krak

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