[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[Barmacral]

OK bed, see you tomorrow.

[WWWwombat]

  On 11/13/2014 at 9:21 PM, Nynaeve said:

Why, what's wrong, womby?

 

I had a massive cavity because I didn't get my wisdom teeth out early enough.  They just filled it in and the Novocaine wore off.

[Nynaeve]

:(

[WWWwombat]

  On 11/13/2014 at 8:26 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 8:04 PM, Kivam said:

Yes. Very, very wrong assumption. People being "right" on D1 is either random luck, absurdly poor scum play (I've seen it happen, but rarely), or players with inside information (mafia, masons). The information you get from a D1 village lynch is about helping zero in to that last group, not necessarily for the obvious reasons ("you lynched a villager! Scum! You defended a villager! Town!") and definitely not enough to reach rock solid D2 conclusions. It's a building block that can mature into something more helpful down the road, not a table of contents for the game.

I def disagree with bolded, and this kinda seems to contradict an earlier point you made about how people shouldn't consider D1 random guesswork.

 

Good town play CAN find scum on D1 without inside info, or without sloppy scum play. All it takes is astute levels of perception and no townies derping and making themselves easy targets for scum to bandwagon on

 

 

It doesn't contradict it at all.  Kivam's point (which he would make regardless of alignment here) is that the point of D1 is to build a solid framework for D2 and beyond.  So in that sense, it's not guesswork, just a long-term play.  Lynching scum is mainly just gravy from that point of view.

[dicetosser1]

my reads  tho im not totally caught up

 

Strong Town

 

me obviously

Cass

Thane

 

medium strong lean

yates

nyn

 

im gonna have a three person null pile  i will try to explain the reasons

 

Des/csarmi  I am purposely keeping des null. I have agreed with points he has made in his tunnel. I think he needs to get out of the tunnel before his yelling brings the walls down. BUT I can see both town and mafia reasons for his actions. Town  he believes what he is saying. Mafia  the fact that des caught DPR as scum has been bought up in 2 recent games. Marlfox and this one. I can see scum, particularly a experienced team, using this as a way to try and get DPR gone or possible clear one of the 2 if they are both scum.

 

Csarmi is actually holding des back for me a little. He isnt as active as he usually is as town and so i cant read him the way i usually do.

 

 

Kivam   a lot of his posts  esp early seemed to be written so that they were ambigious on purpose. Am watching him

 

DPR   like i said i think des has some valid points. but i feel like he is just trying to get reactions.  also watching

 

the low end for me is sili.  as i think i said its based on reads based in ongoing game so am not elaborating at this time.

[Leelou]

  On 11/13/2014 at 9:25 PM, WWWwombat said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 9:21 PM, Nynaeve said:

Why, what's wrong, womby?

 

I had a massive cavity because I didn't get my wisdom teeth out early enough.  They just filled it in and the Novocaine wore off.

 

 

Ouch.

 

I'm out until tomorrow. Today was just too crazy for me. Sorry. 

[WWWwombat]

What's the VC?

[Darthe]

Checking in from the restroom. Unimpressed by Dices reads list since its missing half of the vocal roster. Womby is filled with townie fury.

[dicetosser1]

be unimpressed darthe. i tried posting 6 times last night and gave up and ive thrown that real quick just before work.

 

im also 20 pages behind

[WWWwombat]

I feel like there are a lot of people running interference for someone right now.

[Cass]

@DICE

  On 11/13/2014 at 8:08 PM, dicetosser1 said:

wtf?  Cass why are you yelling at me? especially when im not here?

 

##unvote 

 

 

What I can't yell at you if I want to bring something to your attention and hear what you have to say?   I've changed my vote from Sili to DPR, and I'm hoping if you're town you will do the same.

 

At the moment I'm a little less sure on Sili, but a whole lot more sure on DPR- IMO he's either Scum or messing with the Town. Do me a favour and re-read my interactions/reasonings here  here  here  with DPR and Kiv  here  here and here  and then (most importantly) then tell me what you think. Then, y'know, consider changing your vote to DPR.

 

Oh and also, if it counts - one of the biggest tells for me is that he kept pushing the fact that I'm potentially dodgy and not likely to be clever enough to be writing my own posts. Mentioned things like 'mystery author' and me = puppet, probably to Yates. This was my reply  Yates' reply. Aside from and because of this being not true (which is obvious to me and hopefully to you), this just smells even more like scum.  And of course I might be wrong, but I just don't buy Kiv's reasoning for this just being the normal way DPR plays 'Town'.

 

 

 

 

@Darthe, re post 1707   

(but also, I know) It's just that, well, a swing in his vote would be awesome, but it's his reasoning/explanation of his thoughts that I'm thinking will be doubly 'beneficial'...

[dicetosser1]

am at work but will try cass. no guarentee on the vote

[WWWwombat]

[Stelio Kontos]

OK, um, Dice, I have to ask this:

 

You left at 1:00 (my time, anyway) with a "I have to go to work so Im'a gonna drop this vote and leave"

 

and now you're posting 2.5 hours later with a reads list that apparently didn't really exist before or I'm assuming you would have posted it

 

so, uh, what gives?

[Cass]

@ Dice

 

No problems, I'm mainly interested in your point of view, and my second pref. is Sili anyway (So if you're not gonna vote DPR, don't not vote Sili cos I yelled your way. I'm just not as sure on my read of Sili now, and feel it would be wise to check a lot of things - with time I probably won't have before I vote him over DPR.

[WWWwombat]

[Yates]

TL/DR - I'm so glad we sorted out the info lynch discussion.  

 

Again.  

 

In perpetuity. 

 

 

 

 

Also, can people PLEASE trim your posts to the relevant bits?  I can't even see 1/2 your points anymore.  And stop with the nested responses, for God's sake.  I can't filter that crap.  I just don't have time to sort through the garbage right now and it's all happening at EOD while I'm distracted by other stuff.  

 

Who is your pony?  Bullet point list of why.  Go.

[Kivam]

No. F'ing. Way.  I miss The Dude

  On 11/13/2014 at 10:12 PM, WWWwombat said:

 

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[Kivam]

BTW, Barm knows exactly what I'm thinking watching someone else try and pull a Cromwell.

[Kivam]

Heading home, need to shop and cook for shabbos, may be on my phone til after deadline

[WWWwombat]

Releasing Control Art Restriction Systems 3, 2 and 1. Situation A Release Level 1. The Cromwell Approval is now in effect. Maintaining limited release until the target has been silenced.

[WWWwombat]

The Lord Protector has granted a warrant of execution.  The Marshal General is as the sword in his hands.

[WWWwombat]

Direct intervention is necessary.  Assuming direct control.