[Standard] 11/10 Top Tier Vanilla+ Game Thread

[csarmi]

Cass. Your take on Dice please.

[Cass]

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:30 PM, Darthe said:

@Cass that thing you quoted with the big blue letters is sorta messed up. 

 

Is the whole post messed up, or just that part?

[Cass]

@ Darthe (Cos I had questions and comments about everyone in there too)

[Darthe]

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:08 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

For the moment, Rags has done little to nothing to help town..... do you remember anything from him this game? i don't. My opinionis that he is a big questionmark, that shows up more or less around EOD, and then disappears again. 

 

i can't really go through large WoT's at work, which i'd need to do to understand your thoughts. 

By that logic you will be wrong on Rags 75% of the time.  If you're telling me that you aren't more than 25% sure on someone else being non-town then continue pushing Rags, by all means, but I don't think that inactivity is a good reason for us to lynch.  It's a great reason for a vig shot but this is insubstantial to throw out for a lynch when tomorrow we could be at 5-1-1.  

[Thane Vakarian]

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:31 PM, Cass said:

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 6:01 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

Stelio, i'm looking forward to getting to know you as a player. I believe it's also our first game together. 

 

I do see some people mentioning Darthe... interesting. 

 

Thane, this is from way back towards beginning of D1. What'd you find... interesting?

 

How d'you feel about Darthe now?

 

feeling better about him, he's in my town plie. And now that you ask this, i'm getting paranoid, lol. He'd be both an excellent SK as well as excellent wolf, but i doubt it. 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:34 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:08 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

For the moment, Rags has done little to nothing to help town..... do you remember anything from him this game? i don't. My opinionis that he is a big questionmark, that shows up more or less around EOD, and then disappears again. 

 

i can't really go through large WoT's at work, which i'd need to do to understand your thoughts. 

By that logic you will be wrong on Rags 75% of the time.  If you're telling me that you aren't more than 25% sure on someone else being non-town then continue pushing Rags, by all means, but I don't think that inactivity is a good reason for us to lynch.  It's a great reason for a vig shot but this is insubstantial to throw out for a lynch when tomorrow we could be at 5-1-1.  

 

Who should we lynch then Darthe? I see a majority on Tress... but i'm not sure...

[Darthe]

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:32 PM, Cass said:

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:30 PM, Darthe said:

@Cass that thing you quoted with the big blue letters is sorta messed up. 

 

Is the whole post messed up, or just that part?

 

It was just part but I think I figured out what else you were looking for a response on.  If you were being coached as people thought then your reads would get worse as the game progressed because your teammates would be dead and you would need to make up more fake reads to live.  Barring their guidance on thread late game Cass would stick out like a sore thumb compared to early game Cass.

[Cass]

My take on Dice is this:

 

I found/find it strange that he was so inactive early on after inviting me to play. No real reason other than I would have expected him to at least crack a few more jokes with me while I was 'settling in'. I haven't looked at any of his other games, so I don't know how active he usually is/when he usually gets involved, but from our Skype and Band interaction, I would imagine he can be strong with his opinions and quite loud (?) 

 

On the other hand, I know he's had changes at work and headaches and ?is he in the Marlfox game?

[Darthe]

@Thane, why are you asking me who we should lynch?  Tell me everyone that you want to lynch and tell me why.  

[Nynaeve]

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:01 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:45 PM, Nynaeve said:

I'll respond to your points when I get back, Darthe.

TBH you're going to need some great responses.  I don't get your play this game and it doesn't remind me of any time I've played with you before.

 

 

It doesn't sound like you're too interested in my reply. But I'm gonna explain myself to the best of my ability regardless.

 

I don't really understand why you don't get me this game. But you did mention early on in the game that you usually suck at reading me. Confirmed xD

 

 

I'll go back and reread all your points now. Reply incoming.

[Hallia]

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:40 PM, Darthe said:

@Thane, why are you asking me who we should lynch? Tell me everyone that you want to lynch and tell me why.

He's doing it because he's scum! :p

 

 

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[Hallia]

O.o

 

That was supposed to be

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but seriously

 

[Thane Vakarian]

not lynching: Hallia (wombat peek), Me, dice, cass,  Nyn, Darthe, AJ, Csarpo, 

 

candidates:

 

Rags: not active, not contributing much for town. 

Pral: not convinced by his gameplay that he actually is town. 

Tress: Majority vote against her for the moment. Read through some points people made, and they make sense. 

[Thane Vakarian]

and, sorry Hallia, i am not

[Cass]

  On 11/18/2014 at 1:55 AM, WWWwombat said:

IF KIV FLIPS TOWN VIG SHOOT AJ THX

 

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 1:56 AM, WWWwombat said:

ALSO IF I'M THE SEER I PEEKED KIV TOWN

 

OR DID I?

 

What do people make of this, if anything?

 

Is this a convoluted way of saying please shoot AJ?

[Cass]

@ Tress 

 

After the flip I went back to this. Thought maybe Kiv meant Wombat claiming Seer.

 

Not sure how this interacts with him voting AJ.

 

It's another thing that makes me iffy: Verbarm, Wom and DPR all had AJ down as their lynch. They were all Town. Why did Kiv jump on that train if not to add some confusion after he flipped Wolf?

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:43 PM, Songstress said:

 

  On 11/18/2014 at 1:59 AM, Kivam said:

Fyi, since I'm dead anyway, we targeted des and stelio for kills. And wombat, you're watching the gambit work this game. Happy hunting, townies

 

 

Here it is.

 

WIFOM? Maybe.  Maybe not.

 

[Cass]

Anyway. 5am. Dr's appt in 3 hours. I'm gonna catch some sleep. Will come back for end of day. Still not overly convinced it's the right thing to vote Rags for inactivity when there are sketchy things about specific players. But then, for some, I'm one of those specific players, so I know reasoning gets convoluted and I'm still not sure that we're not just all being overly suspicious of the people who are active while the remaining two Scum sit back and watch. My head hurts... See y'all in a few hours.

[Darthe]

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:48 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

not lynching: Hallia (wombat peek), Me, dice, cass,  Nyn, Darthe, AJ, Csarpo, 

 

candidates:

 

Rags: not active, not contributing much for town. 

Pral: not convinced by his gameplay that he actually is town. 

Tress: Majority vote against her for the moment. Read through some points people made, and they make sense. 

The main reason I have a problem with this is that you have a list of ten people (not including yourself) and you're only willing to lynch three of them.  Break this down for me more.  If those three were off the table I want to see your next three.

[Pralaya]

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:24 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:11 PM, Pralaya said:

 

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Pralaya, on 13 Nov 2014 - 11:53 PM, said:

Ok, so far, in the initial part of the game, my strongest scum read is Tress

 

Other than her initial random posts, her first few posts are agreeing with Des (a lot) and going after an easy target Sili. Both of them stood out because in her recaps these were the only two people she responded to, which felt very weird. Looks like she is hardcore white knighting Des, which makes me think she is scum.

 

Other than that, town read on Wombat, Csarmi, Nyn.

 

Sili is kind of weird, which surprisingly is a town tell for him. But will have to keep an eye on him. Thane does seem town but not as instinctive as he usually is.

Most of the players I have not played with Cass, Kiva, DPR are kind of null so far.

Hey laya looking back on it what do you think of this post? Can you explain the rationale?

Her D1 posts looked quite scummy to me. At that point, I think she had 7 posts in total - out of which 2 posts were directed at Sili, who was the leading wagon at the time and I found it a bit convenient to go at him. The rest 2-3 posts were kind of buddying or agreeing with Des. This I found quite scummy at the time.

 

K what do you think about it now and how'd your thoughts change (if they have)

 

 

My thoughts changed because of this - http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91702-standard-1110-top-tier-vanilla-game-thread/?view=findpost&p=3379671

 

But, with the playerbase diminishing, could be that I am tinfoiling there. Her posts today has been way better and townish

[Thane Vakarian]

  On 11/20/2014 at 7:14 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 6:48 PM, Thane Vakarian said:

not lynching: Hallia (wombat peek), Me, dice, cass,  Nyn, Darthe, AJ, Csarpo, 

 

candidates:

 

Rags: not active, not contributing much for town. 

Pral: not convinced by his gameplay that he actually is town. 

Tress: Majority vote against her for the moment. Read through some points people made, and they make sense. 

The main reason I have a problem with this is that you have a list of ten people (not including yourself) and you're only willing to lynch three of them.  Break this down for me more.  If those three were off the table I want to see your next three.

 

ok, next suspects then:

Cass: EOD D2 oddness.

Darthe: Assuming 'leader' position to hide wolf? Really active, with hidden agende?

Dice & AJ : Both make decent posts, but not enough of them.  

 

last but not least: Nyn & Csarpo: feeling most town, so not willing to lynch that much (unless SK, but then cudos for hiding well enough)

 

I know i'm town and Hallia got cleared by Wombat

[Thane Vakarian]

that said, i'll stick to my vote . I'm logging off and won't be around. See you all on the flipside townies and non-townies

[Thane Vakarian]

On demand of our beloved mod: 

Vote Count D3.04:

Rags (4): Dicehaslice [#3027], Pralaya [#3275], Nyn [#3277], Thane Vakarian [#3321]

Dice (2): Hallia [#3048], Deslami [#3295]

Tress (1): AJ [#2932], 
Deslami (1): Rags [#3117]

Nyn (1): Darthe [#3083]

Not Voting (2): Cass, , Tress  

At the gallows: Rags

Reminder: players not voting at EOD will be voting for themselves.

[Nynaeve]

Reply - Part 1

 

 

I trimmed down quotes a bit cause it was a bit crazy to leave it intact. I'll basically reply to all of Darthe's points on me.

 

 

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  On 11/20/2014 at 4:32 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 12:09 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 11:54 AM, Yates. said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 11:38 AM, Nynaeve said:

I don't feel comfortable moving her from my null pile yet. But if she keeps slanking into D2 as well, it's going to affect my read.

Samesies. This is my summary of her play so far:

From her first two posts I guess we can assume her vagina is in tip top shape?
She foregoes an actual catch up post and decides to agree with Des's list of reads.
She gives Sili a little chastising for his "my Day 1 vote doesn't matter" thing.
Some more agreeing with Des and giving Csarmi an "attaboy."
Jokey McJokerson with Wombat and Thane.
Then one more post from noon on Tuesday talking about Salami's D1 vote thing again.

Nothing of substance there. I'm used to seeing her with more teeth, I guess is the best way to describe it.

 

Typically from what I've seen of her in previous games... if she's flabbergasted with the game and has no idea which way to turn and consequently a low volume of posts because of it... you can spot her frustration from a mile away. Here she's had very little content and borderline buddying with Des/Salami. But I'm not getting the confused feel from her. And what she did choose to comment on seems less important than other things that were going on. So, I want to see more, basically. A hell of a lot more.

 

This interaction actually looks fine to me.  I think I could argue that it could be W/W but that is somewhat tenuous.  Still I am noting it because I don't know what to expect down the road.

 

I was basically trying to figure Tress out and commented on her townie meta and what I need to see from her.

 

 

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 4:47 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 3:25 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 3:00 PM, Kivam said:

 DESlami says Krak is "jumping at straws" - agreed, though I'd say more "grasping" than "jumping" (why would one jump at a straw?).

 

lmfao!

 

I'm quoting almost anything I see involving Nyn with mafia.  There isn't much interaction between them at all and what does exist so far is insubstantial.  

 

Having quite a bit of experience in butchering common English sayings this just made me lol.

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:26 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 5:27 PM, Nynaeve said:

Okay. So. 

 

I feel better about Tress now that she posted a bit. Brownie points. I only agree with part of her reads but overall her explanations seem good to me considering we're at D1. Just don't fall off the wagon. Tress. MAKE ME BELIEVE  

 

Des, your WoTs aren't being ignored and I don't think you're crazy. But you have to understand that every person has their own reads and his/her own way of interpreting events.  Just because someone doesn't see things the way you do doesn't mean you're being dismissed. Now....I'm not at a place where I'm comfortable considering a DPR lynch. I'm having a hard time with reading him (big shock there  ) and I need more time to stalk observe him. I am very much intrigued lol   But I don't see why you choose to take it as a personal diss. *shrugs*

 

 

 

And **** me, 14 new replies as I'm typing this!? I'm surprised DM hasn't dropped down of exhaustion.  I'm back to hating you all again (including Des).

What about Tress made you feel better about her here Nyn?  Do you like Tress now?

 

What made me feel better about her then was that she did something. At the time when she posted the read list I liked the placements and didn't delve too deep beyond that. I liked that she was finally shifting into trying to figure things out. If you'll notice, when I ISOed her the other day.... with the context of the stage of the game her read list was posted and looking deeper into the reasoning behind her reads... I've found the read list to be rather thin. Most of them were gut and not backed up by any content. I think we were roughly beyond 75 pages at that point and I didn't care for that. She has a very analytic eye and while she does goes by gut, she usually also spots shady content to back it up. I was missing that.

 

Tress admittedly has iffy posts that I've pointed out myself in her ISO. Her AtE post about thinking of subbing out and trying to keep emo off the thread made me hesitate but I went with the ISO conclusions. But her reaction to possibly being the lynch today almost mirrored completely her behavior in Spaceballs. I'm getting a distinct feeling she's not faking it and is willing to take a bullet if it comes to that. I don't think it's the smartest play from her part. I didn't really like it when she did it on Spaceballs either. But I can't ignore it. Especially since I think Rags is flying under the rader while she's been trying to redeem herself today. I'm willing to give her another shot.

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:26 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 5:32 PM, Nynaeve said:

I really don't see what's the big deal about DPR proposing the option that a newbie might be being coached. It's a valid possibility. And it's not an insult at all. It's a viable strategy. I remember that when I was scum with Red and Dawn people kept thinking Dawn was being coached because she seemed more consistent in tha game. She wasn't, actually. Red and I let her run free. Her thread presence prolly had more to do with her being scum than anything else lol.... but yeah..... I don't get why people are taking this out of proportions. It's a completely valid thing to say and I'm sure DPR didn't mean it maliciously. He's supposed to consider all the angles. 

This is a misrep.  DPR accused her of having posts written for her.

 

if you want to argue the nuances of being coached or being given pre-written posts by someone else, go right ahead. The bottom line is that in both instances her posts wouldn't be original Cass only stamped posts. I clarified when someone made the same comment at me (can't remember who it was). It doesn't really matter imo if she was being told what to say or was given what to say. Both cases involve someone controlling her content. I thought people overreacted at DPR proposing that possibility when it was in the realm of possibility. Especially the suggestion that i was a rude thing to say. It wasn't said maliciously. I found the whole thing ridiculous and felt that DPR was being misrepped.

 

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:26 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 5:39 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 5:38 PM, csarmi said:

Leelou is town.

 

I really hate it when you drop these one liners. 

 

I've never seen you say that when Womby or I did this in previous games.

 

I just got out of a very frustrating game with Salami (Firefly) where he made the same opening posts of random read assignments for no reason or for a reason that made no sense (we were both town that game). We had a tiff where he claimed it was a town tell of his while I found it completely insufferable and iffy. I was just reiterating that it bugs me. I never FoSed him about it and in fact developed a town read on that slot later on.... not sure why you're bringing it up. Salami and I have a love/hate sort of thing going on. He knows.  

 

As for you and Wombat.... off the top of my head I don't recall you doing it. Don't know what to tell you. With Salami I just find his overall playstyle irritating and I usually like to give him a hard time. 

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:26 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 5:44 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 5:39 PM, Yates. said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 5:32 PM, Nynaeve said:

I really don't see what's the big deal about DPR proposing the option that a newbie might be being coached. It's a valid possibility. And it's not an insult at all. It's a viable strategy.

I would agree with you if he was accusing her of being coached. He didn't accuse her of simply being coached. He said her scum team was writing her posts for her. He literally called her a "puppet" at one point. I'm keenly aware of this because he accused ME of authoring her posts.

 

 

Same diff. Again, Dawn got accused of the same when she was on my scum team. They said she didn't sound like herself. Using big words and such. And some were wondering if someone was feeding her posts. It's not a slight, imo. It's thinking outside the box. I could see how it would annoy her, if it weren't true. But beyond that *Shrugs*

 

I'm not saying I agree with DPR. While I AM getting a more experienced feel from her posts, it's possible she just has a very good mentor. 

 

I don't know, this just seems like an overreaction to me.

 

This interaction with Yates looks like playing both sides of the field.  I couldn't find any reads list of yours in the 25-30 pages leading up to DL.  Thought that was odd.

 

I mostly dished out leans as they developed. I don't think I did like a full read list. I think by that point I had a handful of light town reads and an iffy feel about Verbram and maybe Arsis (I haven't checked back, but that's my recall). I don't think I typically dish out read lists early on. I took my time in assessing, especially considering there were quite a few players I've never played with or played very little with. As for interaction with Yates,  I've already addressed this above.Yates is basically saying the same you did which is that coaching and writing her posts is like totally different. The principle still stands. I thought that the reaction to DPR's suggestion was over-inflated. Still do.

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:26 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:17 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:12 PM, Kivam said:

Suggest you all do the same, if only to save the egg on your faces when - if she's as good as I think she is, and can be - she's routinely kicking all of your asses in future games.

 

Gee. Thanks.

 

Again Nyn is chummy with Kivam.  I don't credit all of that as W/W because they are friends and he has been gone for a long while, however I think that they looked really comfortable on thread together and went out of their way to respond to one another.  I'll keep quoting fake interactions as I find them.

 

Kivam and I are friends and go way back. I've never played with him before, though. So why should I feel uncomfortable with him? My reply was tongue in cheek because I thought he was being a pooper face. Don't really have anything to add to that. I don't see how I went out of my way to respond to him.... pretty sure I've made several tongue in cheek comments through the game to various people but if you want to pinpoint that specific one and say it looks fake..... okay?

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:26 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:21 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:18 PM, Cass said:

Flattered, but Nyn - have you even entertained the idea that I am writing all my own posts? <- That's not snide, it's genuine. If you think at everything I've written from this angle, would it change your read of me/help convince you that I'm Town?

 

Just sayin.

 

I'm starting to hate the fact that people know I am a noob.

 

You're missing my point. I wasn't actually talking about you. I was saying that I think people are overreacting to a valid option and calling it rude as if DPR kicked a puppy or something. It's stupid.

 

So this has nothing to do with my read on you. You're still neatly in the null pile.

 

Not only is this argument getting beaten to death and was a detriment to having a successful EoD because it distracted from any real issues, but you didn't really respond to the main issues on thread at the time which were Sili/Laya, reacting to Wombat loling everywhere, Des going ape on DPR or Dice being difficult.  It's crap to think that a town Nyn wouldn't have wanted to weigh in on and help direct town through a lot of key issues and instead took all of her time explaining to a newbie what coaching was and chatting with scum about lolz.  I also doubt that 80ish pages into the game you'd have cass in your null pile, a pile that nobody else saw because you weren't giving out lists.  That looks like a throwaway.

 

First of all, I felt the need to clarify because Cass was misinterpreting my comment and it's important for me to be very clear. My problem was people's overreaction to DPR's suggestion. Pure and simple. I felt that he was being misrepped. It had no bearing on my read on Cass nor was I suggesting that DPR was right. I thought he was probably wrong but it's people's reaction to it that I found overly dramatic and possibly iffy.

 

I've made it very clear that I had a town lean on Sili and disagreed that Sili was acting differently than his last townie game.

 

Wombat I've had a townie read on early on. I agreed with a lot of his posts. He did act a bit weird at EOD but I didn't really make out anything from it because on the start of D2 he slid right back to making solid posts.

 

DPR and Des have a ton of history of bad blood. It came as no surprise to me that they head butted. I had nothing to say about it, really. It's null and completely not game related, imo. Some people just don't get along. I wasn't going to attribute anything to it.

 

Don't really know what you mean about Dice being difficult.

 

I did give out reads. Off the top of my head I gave Wombat and Leelou town leans, as well as Desalami. Said I liked Stelio. Gave Thane and Sili town leans. Said I felt iffy about Verbram and later Arsis. Said I was null on DPR, Kivam, Cass. I get that I might not have made a complete pretty colored list but I was dishing out reads as I developed them so I think you're misrepping me there.

 

As for Cass, I've never played with her before AND she's new. These two things make it extremely difficult for me to read her. I don't know why you feel it's so weird. On one hand you don't want to take into account that she's new because that doesn't exclude her rolling scum, on the other it does seep through end mistakes I might attribute as scummy with experience players could just be a derping newbie. So it's been hard for me to make my mind about her.

 

 

[Tommyrod]

I will likely be out of service for EOD so apologies if the phase change is late.

 

As usual, posting at 9:00 PM EST is acceptable; posting after 9:01 PM is not.

 

Night occurs even if I'm not around to announce it.

[Nynaeve]

Reply - part 2

 

 

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  On 11/20/2014 at 5:38 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:27 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:25 PM, Despothera said:

Don't see how you could have Cass as null. You really think she could fake her rambling SoC posts as scum her first time?

 

1. As far as I know there's also a SK in the mix

 

2. It's a possible. 

 

This post does nothing.  It hedges on there being an SK in the game and on her Cass read and it's oddly indefinite considering how sure she was earlier about what DPR was saying.

 

I've addressed this. in my previous post. I don't have a basis of comparison with Cass or a grasp of her full abilities. Overall she seems to have a good head on her shoulders which is why I was having a hard time deciding if she was pulling off the show of a lifetime or legitimately just being new and not having a full grasp yet of how things work (which is completely legitimate in a first game). I disagreed with Des assuming that she couldn't possibly fake the rambling. I don't give newbies a free pass by underestimating them. Dawn maybe.... lol.... Cass is on a different level. The reason I pointed out that there's also a SK is because a SK wouldn't have to fake not knowing people's alignments. Which I thought Des should take into consideration in his assessment of her.... since his post seem to suggest that he hasn't.

 

I can see how you might see this as hedging, but the matter of fact is I didn't manage to figure her out quite yet. And as I clarified to Cass and mentioned several times now, my comments were all about people's reaction to DPR's theory. 

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:38 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:32 PM, Nynaeve said:

I think this is hilarious, Des. Cause you're basically underestimating her and saying there's no way she could fake this as scum considering it's her first game. But the word on the street is that she's a prodigy that's gonna be upstaging us all soon, according to Kivam.... so I think I'm gonna size her up the same way I size up everyone else. ktanks.

Why would you base your perspective on Kivam's thoughts?  Implicit here is that you trusted him entirely.  

 

This is just a follow up snipe at Kivam for claiming she would kick all of our asses soon enough (the prodigy part, heh). I wasn't basing my perspective on Kivam's thoughts. I have my own set of eyes and my experience as a newb to mafia. I didn't have as much of a grasp as she seems to have when I started. By far. And that's great and all. And also why I was taking my time in developing a read. I think you're reading too much into it and I don't see how this says that I trusted Kivam entirely. If anything my whole exchange with Des said that he should be careful about underestimating her. ie I thought there was the possibility that she was good enough to fool us. So, yeah, I don't really follow.

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:38 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:50 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:48 PM, Kivam said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:22 PM, Darthe said:

Was holding off on the Kiv thing to see if he was going to bite at people voting him for his catchup posts but he never really did.  Kind of odd to see him not even address votes so I've been content to leave it for now but before I go (an hour and a half left) I'll probably change it since there isn't much there.  

 

It's Day 1, and I'm playing with a bunch of people who never played with me before but seem to have heard my name.  Why would I be riled up by getting voted?

 

 

Yeah, he's popular. Don't be jelly Derf.

 

Soft defense to me even talking about Kiv.  Very out of place.

 

Seriously? lol   I don't even know what to say to that.

 

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:38 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:52 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:48 PM, Despothera said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:32 PM, Nynaeve said:

I think this is hilarious, Des. Cause you're basically underestimating her and saying there's no way she could fake this as scum considering it's her first game. But the word on the street is that she's a prodigy that's gonna be upstaging us all soon, according to Kivam.... so I think I'm gonna size her up the same way I size up everyone else. ktanks.

I didn't say there was NO WAY she could fake this as scum, I just find it highly unlikely.

It's one thing to pick up the elements of scumhunting very quickly, quite another to be able to fake tone as scum that well imo, and do that rambling sort of thing that would be MUCH more likely to accidentally let something slip when rambling like that

 

 

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm trying not to factor that in. If she's town it will grow apparent as we get some flips and start connecting the dots.

 

I'm curious to see how this panned out.  Has nyn ever posted a read on Cass that shows some sign of definity?

 

I've explained my thoughts on her and placed her in my read list here: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/91702-standard-1110-top-tier-vanilla-game-thread/?p=3382146

 

I engaged her a couple of times and might have mentioned my thoughts on her in earlier posts but I can't recall off the top of my head.

 

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:38 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 8:55 PM, WWWwombat said:

Also, Nyn's defense of Wes is utterly terrible.

Didn't bother much quoting this stuff but yeah, it was.  Womby here is referring to the way she talked definitively about DPR and Cass when someone would attack DPR but then hedged on Cass when people shifted focus that way.

 

Agree to disagree. And again, I wasn't talking definitively about Cass. I thought the attention DPR's theory garnered was ridiculous and over the top, which made me feel iffy. I took my time to clarify on this.

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:38 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 9:06 PM, WWWwombat said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:27 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:25 PM, Despothera said:

Don't see how you could have Cass as null. You really think she could fake her rambling SoC posts as scum her first time?

 

1. As far as I know there's also a SK in the mix

 

2. It's a possible. 

 

 

Open setup, Nyn.  There is an SK in the mix.

 

Womby was on point.

 

Womabat wasn't on point. He misread my post and thought that me saying "It's possible" meant it's possible that there's a SK in the game. Even though my second point was that it's possible that Cass would be proficient enough to fake it. He just got confused. Happens.

 

 

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 5:38 PM, Darthe said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 9:11 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 9:11 PM, WWWwombat said:

 

  On 11/10/2014 at 4:28 AM, Tommyrod said:

Vanilla+ Setup

1 Wolf (Godfather OR 1x Bulletproof)

1 Wolf Roleblocker

1 Wolf N1 Vig

1 Wolf N2 Vig

1 Serial Killer (Godfather OR 1x Bulletproof)
1 Village Seer

1 Village Jailkeeper
1 Village Odd-Night Vig
1 Village Even-Night Vig
11 Vanilla Villagers

 

 

That's what I said, dingus

 

 

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 9:13 PM, Kivam said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 9:06 PM, WWWwombat said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:27 PM, Nynaeve said:

 

  On 11/13/2014 at 6:25 PM, Despothera said:

Don't see how you could have Cass as null. You really think she could fake her rambling SoC posts as scum her first time?

 

1. As far as I know there's also a SK in the mix

 

2. It's a possible. 

 

 

Open setup, Nyn.  There is an SK in the mix.

 

 

LOL.  Wombat took the crazy pills too, it seems. (Unless I'm completely misreading, Nyn's saying it's possible that Cass could fake stream of consciousness posts as scum, which should be obvious).

 

This double defense stuck out to me.  He made two points, that there was an SK and that Nyn was treating different players differently and they showed up on thread at the same time to refute them.  More to come.

 

I corrected Wombat... which is what you do when someone misreads what you meant. I don't see how I was defending myself when I was just pointing out the error. 

 

 

 

 

[dicetosser1]

  On 11/20/2014 at 1:14 PM, csarmi said:

Dice is somewhat off... but usually he pings me all over the place on D1 if he is mafia. What did he do D1?

 

not a hell of a lot tbh

 

  On 11/20/2014 at 1:16 PM, Despothera said:

I think Dice has elevated his scum game recently. Plus if he IS SK, it wouldn't be as hard to not look as scummy

 

i have elevated my TOWN game...which i haven't shown here i admit, but last time i was mafia was Avengers i think. and no im not the SK.