Freemasons vs. Illuminati - Day One

[Yates]

That looks really good for GF.

[Tyler Glembo]

Could it be that once again you are angry for something else, and you are taking it out on me?

 

 

El Guapo, you know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education.

[Tyler Glembo]

And Boom.  Solid D1.

[Yates]

Also, that looks really bad for the people pushing on GF.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

I'll go with my gut

 

[v] GF [/v]

 

The GF train looks downright bad with you, Lenlo, and Dice on it.

 

Good start for D2.

[Yates]

Good start for D2.

What are the chances one of Hally/Dice is also scum with Lenlo? Lenlo being on the GF wagon makes analyzing the GF wagon a little more wifomy.

[Hallia]

I stand by my vote. He was doing the same things AJ was accusing Len of.

[Yates]

Given the flip, I'm feeling better about the people on the Key wagon with me.

 

[v]Len[/v]

Scum last time. Lolcatting this time. Why don't you spew some of your teammates for us and quit interacting with Darthe so much?

Eh, I don't sense a scum vibe this time.

 

[Yates]

I stand by my vote. He was doing the same things AJ was accusing Len of.

I don't disagree with you. But that would make me question AJ as opposed to vote GF. Know what I mean?

[Tyler Glembo]

What are the chances one of Hally/Dice is also scum with Lenlo? Lenlo being on the GF wagon makes analyzing the GF wagon a little more wifomy.

 

 

A little, but I can also see scum going a bit more HAM with trying to win given the mechanics of the open setup.

[Hallia]

 

I stand by my vote. He was doing the same things AJ was accusing Len of.

I don't disagree with you. But that would make me question AJ as opposed to vote GF. Know what I mean?

Hmm. That's actually a very good point.

[Yates]

I can also see scum going a bit more HAM with trying to win given the mechanics of the open setup.

You think? Guess I'd have to consider this.

 

How are you feeling about Key right now? Scum or just wrong?

[Tyler Glembo]

You think? Guess I'd have to consider this.

How are you feeling about Key right now? Scum or just wrong?

 

 

Before flip I would have said wrong, after flip >rand to be scum.  Her early early push on Des with that weird not a joke vote took the focus away from Len.  A lot of her and Des looked town on town to me but Key is good enough to look solid town early on.  It isn't till late game that I can start to look back and recognize that her play hasn't consistently helped.

[Yates]

I would love to roll scum with Key just once to see how that beautiful mind works. I think I said this earlier in this game as well as/in the other one, I'm simply not a good person to read Key.

[Tyler Glembo]

I would love to roll scum with Key just once to see how that beautiful mind works. I think I said this earlier in this game as well as/in the other one, I'm simply not a good person to read Key.

 

In the ABBA game I noticed that Key's play can look solid town but by endgame if you go back and analyze where she made her pushes/statements, most of her play when scum becomes clear that it wasn't town motivated.

[Clovdyx]

This was the votecount when Lenlo came on at 12:18 this morning.

TG (1/7): Len 

Len (2/7): AJ, TG

Addi (1/7): Dice

Key (2/7): Yates, Des

Des (2/7): Key, Clov

Clov (1/7): Addi

 

 

 

Not Voting (3/12):

Hally, GF, BFG

 

Des voted Lenlo last night in response to Yates proposing Hallia vs Lenlo (looks good for Yates).  Five posts later, he rolled onto Key following the spat between them (namely post #230).

 

1:27, Hallis votes for GF based off gut (258).

 

1:55 Lenlo posts his reads list at votes GF.  

 

7:24 GF votes Key.  Vote coun should look like this:

Len (2/7): AJ, TG

Addi (1/7): Dice

Key (3/7): Yates, Des, GF

Des (2/7): Key, Clov

Clov (1/7): Addi

GF (2/7): Hallia, Lenlo

 

Dice moves from Addi to GF at 7:55.  

 

BFG votes Len at 9:18.  

 

VC:

Len (3/7): AJ, TG, BFG

Addi (1/7): Dice

Key (3/7): Yates, Des, GF

Des (2/7): Key, Clov

Clov (1/7): Addi

GF (3/7): Hallia, Lenlo, Dice.

 

 

 

The only vote after this was GF's "hammer" on Lenlo.  The fact it was was, to some degree, a self preservation vote keeps GF from being complete lock town.  That being said, there WAS another wagon to roll onto.  Unless the team is GF/Lenlo/Key, he could have hopped on Key for the mislynch so I like GF's chances to be town here.

 

BFG's vote is 100% town unless, again, Key is scum.  She hadn't done anything all game so there was no need for her to drop a busvote on Lenlo to "look good" - she could have continued to avoid the thread and let a town!Key take the fall.  Instead, she does a drive by and puts scum as a tie for the lead. 

 

Hallia's vote I'm a little more torn on, but I'm not sure I get the play if it was scumdriven.  I guess Scum!Hallia could have thought GF would have been an easier mislynch than Town!Key or Town!Despot?  A vote for either would have put them in the lead, and since we know there are only three mafia this game, the possibility of Key, Des, Lenlo, AND Hallia being scum together is zero, so I would think she would vote for whichever is town if she was trying to get a wagon going to save Lenlo. 

 

Despot moving off Lenlo to Key shortly after backing Yates idea of Hallia vs Lenlo trains looks somewhat sketch, but there was at least a real-time discussion there to back it.  

 

 

In terms of the wagon, I like AJ and TG to both be town.  I had townreads on both of them prior to the lynch, and the fact they stayed the course on mafia despite multiple competing wagons looks incredibly good for both.

 

 

TL;DR - Don't lynch AJ, TG, BFG, or GF.  They're town.

[BFG]

2/4 for later

 

 

vote addict.

 

pure gut.  for some reason right from the get go i have wanted to do what Clov beat me to. She(?) never answered me when i asked her if she was scum either

 

 

 

 

 

Feel free to explain then.

 

I just think we need to roll on her for now.

 

Aggressive. Way too sure of other's orientation, particularly mine. I'm pegging you as mafia. Sorry if I'm wrong, but you're throwing mad scum vibes.

[vote]Clovdyx[/vote]

 

 

Wowzors. Unbelievably scummy looking post for such a new player.

 

Way too sure of other's orientation, particularly yours? So you're saying he's right about you?

 

You peg him as mafia, then immediately apologize?

 

"Throwing mad scum vibes"?

 

 

 

[v]Len[/v]

Scum last time. Lolcatting this time. Why don't you spew some of your teammates for us and quit interacting with Darthe so much?

Eh, I don't sense a scum vibe this time.

 

You were scum and bussing last round though, so your sense wasn't genuine.

 

 

She wasn't saying that she "sensed" Lenlo was scum last game, obviously it was a bus move. She was saying she didn't sense he was scum this time, and considering she KNEW he was scum last game, it's feasible that she'd be able to notice immediate differences.

 

Key looks off to me, but if she's town this looks opportunistic as hell from AJ

 

Scumlean on Des, or a lack of a townlean?  I'm not seeing anything really worth condemning him for at this point, but his lack of content/effort is concerning.

 

Lack of content and effort? Really? Game just friggin started bro.

 

vote addict.

 

pure gut.  for some reason right from the get go i have wanted to do what Clov beat me to. She(?) never answered me when i asked her if she was scum either

 

Where are you going with bolded? It's an open setup AND she's (supposedly) a newer player, so it's obvious she's not worried about a LD

 

So what scum motivation would she have for not answering that?

 

Looks like fake scumhunting to me

 

[v]Dice[/v] Cause yolo I got short attention span

 

 

 

 

Still WTL Len tho

 

Still only responding about himself

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

Can't remember who I'm voting anymore in either game.

 

 

 

Official Vote Count 2?

 

TG (1/7): Len 

Len (2/7): AJ, TG

Addi (2/7): Clov, Dice

Key (1/7): Yates

Des (1/7): Key

Clov (1/7): Addi

Dice (1/7): Des

 

Not Voting (3/12):

Hally, GF, BFG

 

24 hours til night.

 

 

[v] BFG [/v]

 

Betelgeuse.

 

Also disappoint that Yates has yet to use the word plethora.  I'd ask him if he knew what it meant.

 

 

[BFG]

3/4 for later

 

 

 

 

 

Len is acting legitimately strange this game though. His response to me felt awkward when I was really just poking at him

 

I feel like town!Len would have engaged your question directly with a joke.  Instead he pushed off.  Early mindmeld.  Darthe is messing with us and rolled the same scum team.

 

 

Ewwww @ blatant buddying

 

How is that buddying?  Do you think TG's meta for Lenlo is completely wrong, so he's faking a similar line of thought?

 

 

[v]Len[/v]

 

Have at thee

I had a Knights Tale gif for you, but then lost it. Im sorry.

 

Also none of you know who I is! I do what I want, when I want in whatever game I want!

 

 

And this is why it's pretty much always protown to lynch you Lenlo. You do what you want instead of doing what you SHOULD do to try and help your team win. You got a little bit of attention for your constant jokey meta for a bit so you thought that was license to do it more, but the fact is you STILL have not shown that you are able to actually do stuff to help your team win, ever.

 

@AJ   yep i am.

 

 

you and TG myndmelding is a scary idea. So much potential.....for good or evil lol

 

Dice promoting the TG and AJ mindmeld is disconcerting

 

How is he promoting it?  "is a scary idea" doesn't like he's really big on it to me.  

 

Hello! Sorry I've been absent; had a killer busy day today. Have one tomorrow as well, just ftr. Going through now :).

 

Scummy OP. Game just restarted, and Key is already self-conscious.

 

 

 

Feel free to explain then.

 

I just think we need to roll on her for now.

 

So you're saying you want to pressure a claim out of a new player?

 

 

Ewwwwwwww Yates. Why so slimy bro?

 

 

[v]Len[/v]

Scum last time. Lolcatting this time. Why don't you spew some of your teammates for us and quit interacting with Darthe so much?

Eh, I don't sense a scum vibe this time.

 

 

Darthe confirmed rolled the same scum team

 

Oh wait

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Feel free to explain then.

 

I just think we need to roll on her for now.

 

Aggressive. Way too sure of other's orientation, particularly mine. I'm pegging you as mafia. Sorry if I'm wrong, but you're throwing mad scum vibes.

[vote]Clovdyx[/vote]

 

 

Wowzors. Unbelievably scummy looking post for such a new player.

 

Way too sure of other's orientation, particularly yours? So you're saying he's right about you?

 

THIS looks opportunistic to me.  Like you said, she's a new player - I don't know what kind of reasoning you expect her to display, and I think most people would agree that what she said doesn't really suggest her alignment one way or another.  Others can chime in if I'm wrong here, but I don't see it.  

 

You peg him as mafia, then immediately apologize?

 

"Throwing mad scum vibes"?

 

 

 

[v]Len[/v]

Scum last time. Lolcatting this time. Why don't you spew some of your teammates for us and quit interacting with Darthe so much?

Eh, I don't sense a scum vibe this time.

 

You were scum and bussing last round though, so your sense wasn't genuine.

 

 

She wasn't saying that she "sensed" Lenlo was scum last game, obviously it was a bus move. She was saying she didn't sense he was scum this time, and considering she KNEW he was scum last game, it's feasible that she'd be able to notice immediate differences.

 

Key looks off to me, but if she's town this looks opportunistic as hell from AJ

 

To sort of piggyback off what AJ said, I think you're reaching here man.  I didn't get the impression that AJ is trying to push her from this, or somehow discredit or, or make her reads somehow less substantiated.  I don't think there was a NEED for this post because I find last game mostly irrelevant at this point, but what he said isn't wrong in any way.

 

Scumlean on Des, or a lack of a townlean?  I'm not seeing anything really worth condemning him for at this point, but his lack of content/effort is concerning.

 

Lack of content and effort? Really? Game just friggin started bro.

 

I know it had just started, but you still hadn't said much of anything to that point.  Was there a whole lot to address by that point?  Nope.  But yet you still managed to make two walls without too much going on between my comment and your posts.  And it's not like you have ever needed an invitation to the thread.

 

vote addict.

 

pure gut.  for some reason right from the get go i have wanted to do what Clov beat me to. She(?) never answered me when i asked her if she was scum either

 

Where are you going with bolded? It's an open setup AND she's (supposedly) a newer player, so it's obvious she's not worried about a LD

 

So what scum motivation would she have for not answering that?

 

Looks like fake scumhunting to me

 

[v]Dice[/v] Cause yolo I got short attention span

 

 

[v]Des[/v]

 

I think he's trying too hard to seem contributing right now.  I usually follow his WoTs pretty well, but a lot of the points he brought up look like he's either reaching to blow something out of proportion or just wants to say something to say it.

 

 

[BFG]

4/4 for later

 

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

I might be gone the rest of the night.  I was hoping to Betelguese BFG out of hiding but w/e.  If I can check in before DL I will.  Lenlo wins for being scummy today.  Hallia is a close second with her gross smear on GF that she has yet to explain.

 

 

Official Vote Count 3?

 

TG (1/7): Len 

Len (2/7): AJ, TG

Addi (1/7): Dice

Key (1/7): Yates

Des (2/7): Key, Clov

Clov (1/7): Addi

Dice (1/7): Des

 

 

Not Voting (3/12):

Hally, GF, BFG

 

13 hours til night.

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't necessarily mind having two wagons that are tied and force a rand between them just to see what happens.

Hally vs Lenlo, imo.

 

 

I'm on board with this

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

 

 

vote addict.

 

pure gut. for some reason right from the get go i have wanted to do what Clov beat me to. She(?) never answered me when i asked her if she was scum either

Where are you going with bolded? It's an open setup AND she's (supposedly) a newer player, so it's obvious she's not worried about a LD

 

So what scum motivation would she have for not answering that?

 

Looks like fake scumhunting to me

 

[v]Dice[/v] Cause yolo I got short attention span

 

This is a weird line of questioning, imo. I get a joke from the bolded - which would be twice as weird because you were complaining about your humor not getting across earlier. Bringing up LD? As you mention in this post, it is open setup so dice would KNOW there is no LD.

 

 

That's the point tho- I think Dice was fake scumhunting. I don't think he had the setup in mind and was looking at things with a #solve mindset, I think he just threw that out there cause he thought it would make him look like he was doing stuff.

 

Your defense of Dice is noted tho

 

 

 

 

 

Key I'm not scum btw

 

Feel free to engage me, instead of wolfily trying to +1 things other people say about me to try and make me look bad

Hey des, neither am I, btw so feel free to not try and make me look bad by attaching "wolfily" when you are talking to me. Engaging you is precisely what I did regarding dice and I'm +1ing what I think are good points. I'm not going to try and take credit for someone else's good point by restating it with different words.

 

 

What you did WAS wolfy tho. And I didn't ever call you scum btw. Townies can do wolfy things.

 

But your response here tells me this isn't the case, is it?

 

And you going "I KNOW, RITE???" when someone else says something about me IS legit wolfy. You're just trying to cheerlead a lynch on, not trying to discern the alignments of the people you're +1'ing

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Key[/v]

 

 

 

I'll go with my gut

 

[v] GF [/v]

 

 

God dangit DM you DID IT AGAIN IM DONE WITH YOU. Also almost posted my essay on the Odyssey. That woulda been a read.

 

1 Dice - Scum lean. Hes been fake scumhunting imo. It doesnt remind me of how he was last game and is leaving me with a bad feeling.

 

3 AJ - Town Lean? Ive liked more of your posts than ive disliked but some of them leave me scratching my head. For instance your whole thing about not wanting to disrupt Clovs thing because he might be trying for a gambit or something rubbed me the wrong way. Seeing as how ive already got 3 scum leans im willing to put you in the town pile for now and revise this later if need be.

 

4 Key - Scum Lean. Her "sense" on me at the beginning feels weird. As you pointed out last game she was bussing me pretty hard and distancing so her sense that I was scum last game was infact a lie. We were on the same team. Yet this game she doesnt "sense" im scum? I dont like how this was worded/phrased. I also dont really understand her Despo vote.

 

5 Clov - Town. Ive liked all that hes posted, his reasoning for afew people agrees with mine.

 

6 Des - Null. Whatever I do right now my read on him is gonna be colored because im peeved at him. Hes been abit of donkey to me lately and its hard to let that go, so I wanna come back to him when im not pissed at him.

 

7 TG - Scum lean. I feel that he started off this game going for me with similarly stupid posts as what he had before in the last game so he could say "Hey look, im doing the same thing I was doing before, I havnt changed!" while simultaneously going after a really easy lynch, me.

 

8 Hally - Town lean. She seems to be actually playing this game, instead of trying to slide under the radar with jokey cutesy crap and coasting on baseless LOCK CLEAR town reads some people give her for who knows what reasons. Which is good.

 

9 GF - Scum lean. I hate her playstyle. Sitback and observe? When are we gonna get these thoughts and read? When its endgame and we only need one mislynch to lose? Yeah no im sure that would be perfect for you.

 

10 Addi - Town lean. People brought up the coaching angle earlier, but theres 2 mason teams out there so thats null. Also did some actions that I dont think the scum team would suggest/let them do, such as going after Clov right out of the gate.

 

11 Yates - Null.

 

12 BFG - Post more.

 

Might have missed something since this is the third one. Dont care. Sleeping.

[v]GF[/v]

WTL GF, TG, Dice

 

 

Hmm, let's see it this works now [v]cat[/v]

 

 

Having said that, [unvote] [v]key[/v]

 

 

ya know what?" its time for bed im not gonna be here for DL cause its like 1 in the morning my time so total YOLO vote.

 

 

vote GF

 

 

On mobile during lunch break, intermittent internet connection.

 

I don't think the GF votes have much basis and don't like Yates vote on Key after he said he liked Lenlo Hallia trains, however his other postsseem reasonable

 

Conflicted read on Lenlo, His early play was reminiscent of Take 1, but, I don't hate his reads post, except he listed Key, Dice, TG and GF as mafia leans in his main text, forgot about Key in summary and voted GF because he didn't like her play style, as opposed to actual reason for being mafia. seems more like a policy vote than an actual read to me, now GF did have one vote, compared to Dice or TG, but Key had two already, so this doesn't really add up to me.

 

[v]Lenlo[/v]

 

Sorry, rest of reads willhave to wait till I'm home

 

 

[unvote] [v]lenlo[/v]

 

 

I don't suppose I could leave it to chance.

 

 

Final Vote Count

 

Len (4/7): AJ, TG, BFG, GF

Addi (1/7): Dice

Key (2/7): Yates, Des 

Des (2/7): Key, Clov

Clov (1/7): Addi

GF (2/7): Hally Len

 

 

 

Not Voting (0/12):

 

[BFG]

And ninjaed, I'll see if Clov missed anything in a bit

[Andrej]

 

gg

[Clovdyx]

These were the only two posts Lenlo made of substance (if you can call a kickstarter substance?).

 

Hey can I [v]TG[/v] for the lulz yet?

 

God dangit DM you DID IT AGAIN IM DONE WITH YOU. Also almost posted my essay on the Odyssey. That woulda been a read.

 

1 Dice - Scum lean. Hes been fake scumhunting imo. It doesnt remind me of how he was last game and is leaving me with a bad feeling.

 

3 AJ - Town Lean? Ive liked more of your posts than ive disliked but some of them leave me scratching my head. For instance your whole thing about not wanting to disrupt Clovs thing because he might be trying for a gambit or something rubbed me the wrong way. Seeing as how ive already got 3 scum leans im willing to put you in the town pile for now and revise this later if need be.

 

4 Key - Scum Lean. Her "sense" on me at the beginning feels weird. As you pointed out last game she was bussing me pretty hard and distancing so her sense that I was scum last game was infact a lie. We were on the same team. Yet this game she doesnt "sense" im scum? I dont like how this was worded/phrased. I also dont really understand her Despo vote.

 

5 Clov - Town. Ive liked all that hes posted, his reasoning for afew people agrees with mine.

 

6 Des - Null. Whatever I do right now my read on him is gonna be colored because im peeved at him. Hes been abit of donkey to me lately and its hard to let that go, so I wanna come back to him when im not pissed at him.

 

7 TG - Scum lean. I feel that he started off this game going for me with similarly stupid posts as what he had before in the last game so he could say "Hey look, im doing the same thing I was doing before, I havnt changed!" while simultaneously going after a really easy lynch, me.

 

8 Hally - Town lean. She seems to be actually playing this game, instead of trying to slide under the radar with jokey cutesy crap and coasting on baseless LOCK CLEAR town reads some people give her for who knows what reasons. Which is good.

 

9 GF - Scum lean. I hate her playstyle. Sitback and observe? When are we gonna get these thoughts and read? When its endgame and we only need one mislynch to lose? Yeah no im sure that would be perfect for you.

 

10 Addi - Town lean. People brought up the coaching angle earlier, but theres 2 mason teams out there so thats null. Also did some actions that I dont think the scum team would suggest/let them do, such as going after Clov right out of the gate.

 

11 Yates - Null.

 

12 BFG - Post more.

 

Might have missed something since this is the third one. Dont care. Sleeping.

[v]GF[/v]

WTL GF, TG, Dice

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi, AJ*

Null - Yates, Des, presumably BFG?

Scum lean- Dice, Key, TG, GF

 

* AJ was a town lean mainly because Lenlo already had three scum leans.  Even though there were four.  With my four clears in, he's reads look something like this:

 

Town - me

Town lean - Hallia, Addi

Null - Yates, Des, 

Scum lean- Dice, Key

[Andrej]

My 11:35 class got cancelled so now I have a bit of time to laptop it up before I head off to work at 1

 

 

Also TG you are either misreading or misrepping me.

I've been saying to lynch Lenlo all Day. He's done nothing in my eyes to make me change that since the weird vibes I got at the beginning of the game. Him having no progression could almost be considered ~null so he could be town and just playing lazily however I don't necessarily believe that. Bottom line is lynching him in generally positive for Town.

 

I think you're trying to actively (or subconsciously) change your playstyle to mirror Tommy's where you act more as an arbiter and information gatherer and try to consider all sides of the equation, looking for motivation and tone through total player content.  I roll with both you and Tommy on some of it, but when it gets over the edge I call it out.

 

I think the bolded is a pretty good way to play, but I guess if I'm coming across in a negative manner I appreciate the criticism.

 

Also, that looks really bad for the people pushing on GF.

 

I agree mostly. We know Len was scum now, and between Hallia/Dice I would probably go Dice first just because his votes are all mostly backed with 'gut' calls.

 

 

Good start for D2.

 

What are the chances one of Hally/Dice is also scum with Lenlo? Lenlo being on the GF wagon makes analyzing the GF wagon a little more wifomy.

 

A little, but still worth looking into imo

 

I stand by my vote. He was doing the same things AJ was accusing Len of.

 

Do me a favor and look at both their ISOs. I want you to compare their posts and then rethink this.

 

Lenlo and GF are vastly different players. GF's analysis might not have been super insightful but he at least offers opinions at points compared to Len who basically did nothing but say he was busy and then took about 5 hours to craft a reads list.

[Andrej]

Remember how I said Lenlo adding the bit about his essay made the whole thing look ingenuine?

 

Yeah.

[Lenlo]

Am I done? Good. Sorry for crap game, but am burnt out. Good luck team.

 

Also you woulda loved that essay. Bags all over Odysseus.