[Standard] Cory vs. Bad Dietary Habits & Laziness Mafia, Mafia Sweep

[Yates]

 

 

Did Des track Darthe to visiting Krak N2? Or was it Darthe claiming it alone?

I find it funnier that your first reaction to this "news" wasn't "why would he doctor protect Krak on N2?!"

 

 

THIS

 

Alright, why would Darthe claim to have visited Krak if he didn't actually visit Krak - KNOWING there's a tracker? I don't see Darthe visiting a scum bro if he's scum. So, Darthe was doing something. Whatever he did to you he did to Krak. Given the heat Krak was under, a. I don't understand a doc protect there but b. I don't understand a role cop investigation there either - unless it was to see if pushing that mislynch would be worth it or if the team should push someone else??

 

TG is pretty much confscum so I think that's the lynch tomorrow. Getting Darthe sorted would be a big help.

[hazelkrs1]

The point is Yates the townie reaction there would have been "Why the hell he protect Krak??? "

 

Also Fwiw I'm thinking Darthe might be a Tailor/Framer type role maybe. If Tailor, would make sense since Krak would likely make sense as a view target that night, but as a Framer it would make sense as well (the latter would mean that Krak would be town)

[Yates]

Yeah. I got your point. Then it got me thinking about what Darthe's role could be in a Darthe scum scenario and didn't see how Darthe and Krak could be scum together. Framer/Lawyer makes sense, though. Hadn't thought of them. And trying to frame you would have been a good strategy. But if he's a framer wouldn't that clear Krak?

[Yates]

Yes. Okay, Krak is Town in that scenario. As I said earlier, Krak was taking heat. As someone taking heat he was likely to be investigated. Darthe Framer makes sense.

[Yates]

So Darthe and TG are pretty much confirmed scum. Krak is spewed Town. That leave Hally and Manbat as last scum?

 

Darthe/TG/Hally/Manbat?

[Darthe]

Oh god laya took for three.

 

No bueno. That probably kills me, as we already can see des and Yates beginning to circle overhead.

[Darthe]

Door not for

[Yates]

That probably kills me, as we already can see des and Yates beginning to circle overhead.

Why did you visit Krak? You knew he wasn't going to be a night target with all the heat he was taking. As a doctor, your job is to protect obv Town and consensus Town. Slendy was absurdly obvTown when he was killed. So, to be blunt, you are either the worst doctor ever or lying.

[Yates]

Actually, forget that post. I'm not worried about a response to it. That's just my thought process.

 

Here's what I WOULD like to see a response to, Darthe; convince me you are not a framer.

[dicetosser1]

scum team  tg krak and manbat + 1 other and yes im tinfoiling on that one

[dicetosser1]

 

So come morning there's gonna be 4 scum and 5 town I suppose. We can't make any more mistakes. Can we do it?

 

 

If I survive (which I might since me dying would sign Darthe's death warrant), as long as town listens to me then we should

 

No more derping

 

 

I will expect to see a plan laid out then come morning.

[Arsis]

Actually, forget that post. I'm not worried about a response to it. That's just my thought process.

 

Here's what I WOULD like to see a response to, Darthe; convince me you are not a framer.

Him protecting des tonight is a good place to start imo.

[Tyler Glembo]

You know what, screw it, I've been going back and forth about Pral's role and how he should have played it.  Tommy more or less convinced me that he should have aimed for the NK in the same way Ithi was saying GleMeri should aim for NK with the miller slot.  But, if Pral wanted to take the shot, fine.  Had Tommy been a wolf everyone would be singing his praises right now for sussing that out.  Yeah, it woulda helped if Pral had been more active to not put himself in the position to be lynched, and yeah him getting NK'd would have been best, but I'm not going to fault him for trying to hold the shot until he had better odds.  Shooting Tommy was a bad decision given that he was in most people's town!lean pile versus shooting a more scum leaning slot, but there was enough talk of him being a deepwolf to justify it.

 

 

TG several times supports the cop spew analysis me and Tom did, and yet each time tries to say that we came to the conclusion that Pray was viewed guilty.... even tho that's patently false (Arsis was likely viewed inno) and uses that for justification for voting Pray

 

Also think him putting Darthe in that scum group at the end is a lazy distancing attempt- just before this TG found out Darthe allegedly protected Krak N2, yet TG doesn't question the absurdity of that decision, and then puts him in his suspects list? There is no progression here to follow, no townie mindset that can be connected to him putting Darthe there, and considering how much TG was questioning SP and Dice about their mason claims YOU'D THINK he would also be questioning the Doc stuff that much more if he legit suspected it was a fake claim

 

 

Besides this just generally being a terrible post because of the idea being pushed in it ("Quick! Let's mislynch him before scum get the chance to NK him!"), he continues to push the dumb cop spew thing and also the bolded is just bs. If Pray was scum there he was OBVIOUSLY lying to try and save his skin, if he was a scum vengeful killer he would have just accepted his lynch and shot me, likely. Don't think town!TG would have acted like it was possible he was scum but not lying there.

 

 

Ugh. Tommy is talking about how scummy TG is looking lately, and TG asks him if it's contingent on his read on Pray.

 

Wow.

 

TG CONFIRMED

 

 

Never seen town!TG say anything like "____ and ____ are both on my scum possible teams". Ever. Also pushes the weaksauce "cop spew" thing again, and says Pray would likely be lying about his claim if scum

 

 

 

Responding to a few of your points. 

 

1), I admit that I carried a number of thoughts through from pre-replace to post-replace.  So if you read the slot I'm in in ISO post-replace then there probably isn't a read progression on Darthe.  But if you look back I was doubting Darthe since he's bad reads list.  Given the claims from Pral + SP + Dice + Des + Darthe and the flips we've already had my main focus has been on possible teammates for Pral who I expected to flip scum.  As for reacting to Darthe's claimed visit of Krak, I was still aiming to sort through all the claims we have going on. 

 

2), Stop misrepping what I say to try and fit your narrative.  You claiming that I wouldn't even consider scum and lying because it's too obvious is stupid. 

 

3), The way Tommy phrased saying I was scum by saying I was bussing was downright strange.  I've been paranoid of Tommy all game even with a slight town!vibe from him so I'm going to respond. 

 

4) You've seen me look for potential partners plenty of times and consider who might be on teams.  You're narrative fitting again.

[Cory Caboose]

~4 hours in night phase

[Tyler Glembo]

Again with the cop spew crap, and then all of a sudden realizing he's not holding up well under Tompressure so tries casting aspersion on him instead

 

 

Quoted this mainly for emphasis- looks bad for Manbat (since TG is basically saying Manbat's recent posts look good)

 

Also dumb how TG says Pray flipping scum would make the claims from Darthe, DP, and Dice more believable... even tho earlier he listed that as his exact scum team combo (Pray, Darthe, SP, Dice)

 

As if you needed moar confirmation of TG's scumminess

 

 

"Oh yeah, I should prob try looking townie and engaging people directly like I normally do instead of lobbing out weak ideas and tinfoiling nonsense at everyone in particular! That will help me look townie again!"

 

 

Bolded comes from town!TG 0 times out of 1000000 in this context

 

If he felt the claim was bs, he would just say so, he wouldn't ask someone if they slipped like that

 

Posturing at it's finest, ladies and gentlemen

 

 

1) As I read it you two legit analyzed SP's posts and he spewed Pral scum.   

 

2) Typical Des logic fail.  Are you even following your own posts?  I was positing multiple possible scum teams before, you listing only one a misrep.  And I'm going to change my reads as the game continues.

 

3) I had also asked SP & Dice questions before.  Course, that didn't fit your narrative so you didn't include it. 

 

4)  Go check the Tron game.  I caught Nyn on a slip on her use of the word wary and asked her about it before just straight calling it out. 

[hazelkrs1]

 

 

 

 

So come morning there's gonna be 4 scum and 5 town I suppose. We can't make any more mistakes. Can we do it?

 

If I survive (which I might since me dying would sign Darthe's death warrant), as long as town listens to me then we should

 

No more derping

I will expect to see a plan laid out then come morning.

The first step of that plain is you stop making dumb posts like "Lol I can never trust Despot, he sure can be a wily one! Lol!" cause those posts are dumb and unhelpful

 

For Christ's sake you thought Darthe was more likely town than me. Lorry Lord. Gotta pay attention to context when it comes to this stuff Dice- my play has been absurdly more townie than Darthe and my claim came out natural and unprovoked- Darthe had no choice but to claim Doc

[Tyler Glembo]

I will expect to see a plan laid out then come morning.

 

I'd rather see one before then given the likelihood of a Des death. 

[hazelkrs1]

You're right TG. Arguing with basically the most townie person left is a good use of your time if you're actually town

 

 

Spoiler alert:

 

 

Luckily you're not town

 

[hazelkrs1]

 

I will expect to see a plan laid out then come morning.

I'd rather see one before then given the likelihood of a Des death.

Yup since your team is killing me and you know scummate Darthe isn't a Doc

[Tyler Glembo]

You're right TG. Arguing with basically the most townie person left is a good use of your time if you're actually town

 

 

Spoiler alert:

 

 

Luckily you're not town

 

 

I'm trying to counter your points since I'm town and I don't want to be lynched tomorrow. 

[Krakalakachkn]

 

 

I will expect to see a plan laid out then come morning.

I'd rather see one before then given the likelihood of a Des death.

Yup since your team is killing me and you know scummate Darthe isn't a Doc

 

Let's say die tonight but you had a one shot vig.

 

 

Darthe or TG or third party?

[Tyler Glembo]

I was happy to be done with this game when Cory asked me to replace back in.  Taking over TSB's slot was going to be crap regardless since there is the natural scum association with such replacements.  I replaced in as a favor to Cory and now that I'm in I certainly don't want to lose in multiple freakin' slots because you get me mislynched tomorrow.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Maybe the scumteam lost steam after the Mason claim.

I actually happen to agree with TG on that point. We are just assuming the masons are legit. With no cop to back them up and Des certainly being killed tonight, it's absolutely possible our masons are scum bros. It would be ballsy, but possible.

 

 

 

Oh I'm inclined to believe it. But his point is valid and I can't actually "prove" otherwise. That's all I'm saying.

 

These both look bad for Yates. Agrees with TG, then tries to distance from him immediately after

 

There's still a much time left in the day.

 

Don't get me wrong I'm 80% to lynch pral today, I just don't want to bring him to l-1 so soon.

 

I'm also really stubborn and still kinda wanna lynch krak if I'm being 100% honest

 

 

I mean I really hate the kind of claims that wait till they are about to get lynched and then go "IF YOU LYNCH ME IMA BLOW THIS GUY UP. SWEARSIES."

 

Because that kind of fear mongering always tends to come more from a scum mindset then a town one.

 

I also can't help but paranoid that he actually is telling the truth about his role and I don't know if I want to risk the game on lynching him and having him shoot someone stupid causing us to end the game in possibly the most runbad of conclusions I've seen in mafia in a looooong time.

 

It's a problem.

 

Manbat reinforcing how confused he was makes it slightly more believable he was genunely confused and indecisive town

 

Pral claimed Super Saint.  But claimed a bastardized version that allows him to choose anyone on his wagon as opposed to just the hammer - as with a traditional Super Saint.

 

Yates with the incredibly scummy "catchup" for Dice when he came back on thread- trying to make Pray look absurdly scummy with saying his role claim didn't fit the traditional mechanics

[hazelkrs1]

Actually, I forgot about the unvote earlier.

 

You guys want me to hammer to remove myself from the wifom pool in case he's telling the truth about his role but not the mechanic??

 

Def seems to me like Yates was trying to earn townie points by continuously offering to be the hammer. Went overboard in acting like he would "take one for the team" imo

 

Calling it now btw that laya had a terribad fake claim either from apathy, dumbness or hoping it was so bad its good. No way I see that as a real claim.

 

Ewwwwww @ this post

 

Des

Tomstress

Arsis

Yates

Manbat

Darthe

Dice

SP

TG

Pral

Hallami

 

Here's why this reads list is so poopie:

 

1. Only 3 reds, when we have a very good idea there would be 4 (unless Krak knows something we don't?) on the scum team

2. Listing Halli as his top scum read even tho as Arsis pointed out that read is stale as HELL plus Krak didn't even mention them while catching up and stuff, just listed them and talked about TG and Pray

3. Trying to keep wifom alive about SP and Dice's role. When challenged on it he got all lawyery

4. Why would Yates be so high? Above Darthe, a claimed Doc? You figure if Krak bought Darthe's Doc claim he would have had him higher. I call shenanigans

5. Doesn't support a single one of these reads with anything, and even worse he doesn't ever talk about how one being scum would affect another read, which stands out because pretty much EVERY OTHER TOWNIE was trying to make associations and connections to figure out all remaining scum

 

Yates, you wanna hammer?

 

 

Can someone hammer?

 

 

 

Yates, you wanna hammer?

Sure.

 

[unvote]

 

I don't HAVE to hammer but I figured in case he actually is a SS but lying about the mechanic, we're better off losing me than someone that doesn't have to fight as hard to prove their towniness.

 

 

This whole exchange makes all three of these people absolutely reek

[dicetosser1]

 

 

 

So come morning there's gonna be 4 scum and 5 town I suppose. We can't make any more mistakes. Can we do it?

If I survive (which I might since me dying would sign Darthe's death warrant), as long as town listens to me then we should

 

No more derping

I will expect to see a plan laid out then come morning.

The first step of that plain is you stop making dumb posts like "Lol I can never trust Despot, he sure can be a wily one! Lol!" cause those posts are dumb and unhelpful

 

For Christ's sake you thought Darthe was more likely town than me. Lorry Lord. Gotta pay attention to context when it comes to this stuff Dice- my play has been absurdly more townie than Darthe and my claim came out natural and unprovoked- Darthe had no choice but to claim Doc

 

 

Actually the blue is extremely helpful for me. Every time i let myself forget it, you screw me over. this helps remind me.

 

Also consider your claimed role. theres a scum version remember? I am keeping that firmly in mind. that equals some doubt at least.  hell for tinfoil paranoia extreme i could sit here and say you and darthe are both scum and that you cooked up ure tracking of him together, cause he's the only one you gave a result on. Its possible. and we do need to keep those possibilities in mind or town will get done over.

 

Also i very aware of the context of darthes claim. that "im still tinfoiling" post referred to BOTH of you. but remember that i was town reading darthe before his claim.