[Advanced] Avengers - Age of Ultron (GAME OVER!)

[Tommyrod]

If you're leaning town on Dice and Dawn (and you are since you keep calling my wagon pristine), you must have seen something from them that you liked, something that said "yeah, this is a townie."

 

So what is it? What did they do? I see NOTHING.

[keyholder21]

Shii- How could it be a misrep at all? A direct quote and interpretation. Even someone who didnt agree with me couldnt be thick enough to convince themselves that it was misrepresentative when the player actually friggin said it.

You had to chop a quote to make your point. Deliberately ignoring the rest of what was said. How is not a misrep to not take into account the entire sentence?

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Des looks grwat in that MQ above. Also BH he didnt decide I was scum he just voted me. Id pay attention to the possibility of him being scum with Red if Red is because he didnt vote her since I wanted to (not how townies choose to vote) and yet he is voting me despite the fact that he really really thinks tommy/red are scum and they are both pushing me. Thats a direct contradiction in that MQ.

 

 

 

@ len missedc a tommy claim?"?? Which one??

 

 

there was Galactus multiple times.

 

there was a twin.

 

there was a day cop view

 

now theres masons.

 

 

Somebody explain to me why after all these lies he has ANY credibility? Why would anyone believe him now?

This isn't a townie. This is scum who is fixated on an outdated point and can't be bothered (or isn't capable of) developing his reads.

Big line of BS here. Tommy trying to sell that townies dont use past info to formulate cases and thoughts? This is important for people to really contemplate. Its soooo obviously a fake argument.

Townies update their stances because they want to make an informed decision. Dice is not doing that. He's still going on about how I'm making joke claims so I should be lynched for it. Pathetic.

Oh god, how dare he react like a townie when slmeone claims scum and then obfuscates by saying "it was all a joke" and claiming a practically unverifiable for D1 town PR right off the bat.

 

So much wrong with this including the fact that if you were a mason claiming D1 would be full on retarded.

You keep saying there's "soooo" much wrong with my play. What the hell is wrong? Why do you even think I'm scum?

Mainly your highly contrived reasoning in this game and the fact that you magically have some power or switch that plays into every situTion you can take advantage of. Way more likely thT youre just lying scum. Also, Ive pointed out reasons every time that things were wrong with what you were saying.

[Xthrax]

Thanks for answering one of my questions. Is it something that the majority can agree with? Because if so, I don´t understand why there aren´t more people voting Tommy. Can you give me a quick version of your reads?

I don't like this-feels scummy. Wants to vote Tommy just based on the comics. Do you have any other reason for wanting to vote Tommy other than him claiming to be one of the twins? How do you know the twins are third-party? They are against the avengers in the comics initially but later they change? What are your reads?

No you are not reading correctly. that was a response to a comment about me going after easy pickings and me explaining why i dont see tommy as easy pickings at any time.

 

 

re the comment about plea to bandwagonning. love how you turned a statement into something its is not. i simply pointed out that a bunch of other people are still voting tommy. this is a fact. see below

I see you going definitely after easy picking. Not in the right sense maybe but with very little reason. You have given 4 reasons of which two asame and have no substanial reasoning and one because you couldn't lynch him before. Yeah, looks scummy to me

 

Thanks for the help, Key

[Tommyrod]

 

 

 

 

Des looks grwat in that MQ above. Also BH he didnt decide I was scum he just voted me. Id pay attention to the possibility of him being scum with Red if Red is because he didnt vote her since I wanted to (not how townies choose to vote) and yet he is voting me despite the fact that he really really thinks tommy/red are scum and they are both pushing me. Thats a direct contradiction in that MQ.

 

 

 

@ len missedc a tommy claim?"?? Which one??

 

 

there was Galactus multiple times.

 

there was a twin.

 

there was a day cop view

 

now theres masons.

 

 

Somebody explain to me why after all these lies he has ANY credibility? Why would anyone believe him now?

This isn't a townie. This is scum who is fixated on an outdated point and can't be bothered (or isn't capable of) developing his reads.

Big line of BS here. Tommy trying to sell that townies dont use past info to formulate cases and thoughts? This is important for people to really contemplate. Its soooo obviously a fake argument.

Townies update their stances because they want to make an informed decision. Dice is not doing that. He's still going on about how I'm making joke claims so I should be lynched for it. Pathetic.

Oh god, how dare he react like a townie when slmeone claims scum and then obfuscates by saying "it was all a joke" and claiming a practically unverifiable for D1 town PR right off the bat.

 

So much wrong with this including the fact that if you were a mason claiming D1 would be full on retarded.

You keep saying there's "soooo" much wrong with my play. What the hell is wrong? Why do you even think I'm scum?

Mainly your highly contrived reasoning in this game and the fact that you magically have some power or switch that plays into every situTion you can take advantage of. Way more likely thT youre just lying scum. Also, Ive pointed out reasons every time that things were wrong with what you were saying.

The hell are you even talking about? You, master of gambits, are gonna call me scum for trolling for reactions? You JUST faked a cop guilty in the last game and now you're telling me I'm scum for making things up??

 

"Magically have some power or switch?" This isn't true and DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING. I have ONE specific, real claim. The arguments you are using against me are WOLFSPEAK, vague euphemisms for scummy behavior that you aren't backing up.

[Darthe]

 

Shii- How could it be a misrep at all? A direct quote and interpretation. Even someone who didnt agree with me couldnt be thick enough to convince themselves that it was misrepresentative when the player actually friggin said it.

You had to chop a quote to make your point. Deliberately ignoring the rest of what was said. How is not a misrep to not take into account the entire sentence?

How is it? Its a psychologically based tell. Do you just not understand what that means or something? If I said in response to you asking me if I am scum "Im scum a lot but today I am not" thats significantly more likely to come from a scummer than a townie who would just say "nope". The whole point of subconscious is that the two things are linked in his mind so he represents them differently. The whole point of the f ame is awareness of this fact and recognition of other people doing it. This cant be that hard. Also, odd number of people defending vos here.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

 

 

Des looks grwat in that MQ above. Also BH he didnt decide I was scum he just voted me. Id pay attention to the possibility of him being scum with Red if Red is because he didnt vote her since I wanted to (not how townies choose to vote) and yet he is voting me despite the fact that he really really thinks tommy/red are scum and they are both pushing me. Thats a direct contradiction in that MQ.

 

 

 

@ len missedc a tommy claim?"?? Which one??

 

 

there was Galactus multiple times.

 

there was a twin.

 

there was a day cop view

 

now theres masons.

 

 

Somebody explain to me why after all these lies he has ANY credibility? Why would anyone believe him now?

This isn't a townie. This is scum who is fixated on an outdated point and can't be bothered (or isn't capable of) developing his reads.

Big line of BS here. Tommy trying to sell that townies dont use past info to formulate cases and thoughts? This is important for people to really contemplate. Its soooo obviously a fake argument.

Townies update their stances because they want to make an informed decision. Dice is not doing that. He's still going on about how I'm making joke claims so I should be lynched for it. Pathetic.

Oh god, how dare he react like a townie when slmeone claims scum and then obfuscates by saying "it was all a joke" and claiming a practically unverifiable for D1 town PR right off the bat.

 

So much wrong with this including the fact that if you were a mason claiming D1 would be full on retarded.

You keep saying there's "soooo" much wrong with my play. What the hell is wrong? Why do you even think I'm scum?

Mainly your highly contrived reasoning in this game and the fact that you magically have some power or switch that plays into every situTion you can take advantage of. Way more likely thT youre just lying scum. Also, Ive pointed out reasons every time that things were wrong with what you were saying.

The hell are you even talking about? You, master of gambits, are gonna call me scum for trolling for reactions? You JUST faked a cop guilty in the last game and now you're telling me I'm scum for making things up??

 

"Magically have some power or switch?" This isn't true and DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING. I have ONE specific, real claim. The arguments you are using against me are WOLFSPEAK, vague euphemisms for scummy behavior that you aren't backing up.

Of course you would say I wasnt baxking them up and looked wolf for it. You have had several specific real claims, one of which was a major scum role, one of which was a cop with a guilty on a townie and one of which makes you too valuable to kill. Whatdo I need to back up or refute? Youve already done plenty to hurt this town in making such claims and are trying to kill everyone who finds you sus for it.

 

Claiming galactus (several times btw) is pure WIFOM and tons of people reacted to it.

 

Claiming cop with a guilty on a townie could have gotten said townie killed (essentially is since it started my train and thats continued all day), could have caused a real cop reveal, could have gotten you NKd if you were worried about that, in essence no town motivation

 

Claiming mason when your train was the largest instantly dropped the heat on you and magically allows you to slip by until your partner claims if they ever do.

 

The above takes a ton of stretching and disbelif to imagine as town behavior. I would go so far as to say that youre hurting your team regardless of which team you are on unless you live for a few more days. Thus: scum.

[Darthe]

If you're leaning town on Dice and Dawn (and you are since you keep calling my wagon pristine), you must have seen something from them that you liked, something that said "yeah, this is a townie."

 

So what is it? What did they do? I see NOTHING.

Tommy u mad bro?

 

Dice is pure meta for me. He doesnt extend himself at all as scum and here he is plAying the field. Also, he doesnt buy your crap which is a huge plus.

 

Dawn is trying to figure things out. Neither of these two are logical players but they are players whose effort and earnestness only shine through as townies. Scum dawn would want to blend into the game where in this one she is standing out for having her own voice.

[Tommyrod]

Bullshit. I'm not scum because I'm stirring the pot. The only valid argument in the above is that I could have caused a Dawn cop CC if there was one (I doubted there was) but I only claimed that for about 30 minutes because I wanted people to pay attention to the fact that you're highly likely to be scum in this game, as is anyone who is pushing my lynch for my claiming. You can argue it's POOR play but it's not SCUM play and you of all people should know that.

 

You should also not reading me as scum after the last game. It's absurd that you're claiming you are. The difference in my behavior is night and day.

 

You still haven't told me why Dice and Dawn are town to you.

[Tommyrod]

 

If you're leaning town on Dice and Dawn (and you are since you keep calling my wagon pristine), you must have seen something from them that you liked, something that said "yeah, this is a townie."

 

So what is it? What did they do? I see NOTHING.

Tommy u mad bro?

 

Dice is pure meta for me. He doesnt extend himself at all as scum and here he is plAying the field. Also, he doesnt buy your crap which is a huge plus.

 

Dawn is trying to figure things out. Neither of these two are logical players but they are players whose effort and earnestness only shine through as townies. Scum dawn would want to blend into the game where in this one she is standing out for having her own voice.

Playing the field? Dice has ONLY tunneled on me for CLAIM REASONS, just like you. How is that "playing the field?" He refuses to discuss the rest of the game!

 

What the hell is "her own voice?" She ONLY talked about me for 3 days and then she called you scum with NO REASONING after your wagon started getting support.

 

Where is "her own voice" there?

 

You are UNBELIEVABLY full of shit.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

I am most suspicious of TG and dice right now.

 

Dice seems to keep going back to Tommy claiming, every time the thread turns to talking about something else. He did it previously when the TG/Tsuki discussion was going on. Does it again after des and BH come in talking about other things, then again yesterday after NB. Only after he brings up Tommy again does he post something about the rest of the game. Then again last page.

 

I still really don’t like TG so far in this game though. His post where he votes Tsuki and then his vote, his responses to me and others haven’t made me feel any better. He thinks Tommy was trying to manipulate the thread and that the twins are 3rd party, but is still voting for Tsuki over his bwhaha comment? (also noting that Len seems to be defending TG pretty often).

 

Darthe is a distant third, for the Vos quote chop, unwillingness to case Red until others had and oddly early claim. I have hella trouble reading him normally, though, and his lack of effort is throwing me off since I’ve never seen it from him in either alignment.

 

[v]dice[/v]

 

I agree that Dice is probably scuum...just think more so on Darthe.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Bullshit. I'm not scum because I'm stirring the pot. The only valid argument in the above is that I could have caused a Dawn cop CC if there was one (I doubted there was) but I only claimed that for about 30 minutes because I wanted people to pay attention to the fact that you're highly likely to be scum in this game, as is anyone who is pushing my lynch for my claiming. You can argue it's POOR play but it's not SCUM play and you of all people should know that.

 

You should also not reading me as scum after the last game. It's absurd that you're claiming you are. The difference in my behavior is night and day.

 

You still haven't told me why Dice and Dawn are town to you.

 

Solid post.

[Tyler Glembo]

 

@Darthe and Tsuki - Reads on X, Nol, and Hoof?

I find it funny that you asked for reads on these three, who at that point hadn't posted well, really anything off note recently.  Why not any of the other people who were much more active, giving a better chance of an accurate read?

 

 

I asked Darthe and Tsuki since they were online.  I asked about those three players as a follow-up to the discussion about having likely scum in the pool of 3 late joiners to the game. 

[Darthe]

Yeah, he mad.

[Hallia]

@TG - makes sense to me

[Tommyrod]

 

If you're leaning town on Dice and Dawn (and you are since you keep calling my wagon pristine), you must have seen something from them that you liked, something that said "yeah, this is a townie."

 

So what is it? What did they do? I see NOTHING.

Tommy u mad bro?

 

Dice is pure meta for me. He doesnt extend himself at all as scum and here he is plAying the field. Also, he doesnt buy your crap which is a huge plus.

 

Dawn is trying to figure things out. Neither of these two are logical players but they are players whose effort and earnestness only shine through as townies. Scum dawn would want to blend into the game where in this one she is standing out for having her own voice.

Fake fake fake fake fake fake fake fake fake fake

[Xthrax]

 

 

NotBob is lock town

BTW...Darthe has the same scum tell as you did last game...lol.

 

He's scum, I know it and now he knows it.

 

I anxiously await the post game again.

 

I suck selling at selling to the masses.

 

I'll sponge you and go back to Darthe. I thought Darthe was acting kinda like scum me.

 

[unvote]

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

 

 Why Darthe now? 

 

 

 

I think the dog tongue is significantly cleaner than a human's.

Urban legend/myth

 

 

Why are you not voting Darthe?  Scum mates?  Inquiring minds want to know.

 

 Why are you pushing people to vote Darthe? 

 

 

@Dawn - You can delete all the parts of the quote except what you're responding to.  It will make the game more easily readable for everyone.

I know, but I'm doing this on mobile. It's just too hard. Sorry.

 

 

Also, I am now certain that Darthe is scum. If he's not, he sure is playing weirdly.

 

 I don't like this. What reasons are you voting him for?

 

Ahhhh, I see.  And yes, it was interesting to see just how fast the train on you built.  I'm thinking scum's in the middle.  I don't really have a read on Dice or Dawn.  Either of them could easily be scum.

 

Rand

Darthe

Dawn

Hoof

Dice

Vos

Tina

 

Order of votes.

 

 This is peculiar. Why middle? Why not anywhere else?

 

Re: Darthe.  I'm on page 58 so far, and it felt like he was frustrated town trying to get involved, but people kept shooting him down.  Up to the point where I am, I don't see Darthe being a good lynch candidate.  He doesn't strike me as overly scummy, and I don't really see any good info we'd get from it.

 I like this about Hallia. The read mirrors mine so far

 

Dice is town in this game.  If he were scum he wouldn't toss out any opinion that didn't fit the status quo generally.  I think BH looks odd, he tends to try and figure out what is going on in the fringes of games as town and here he is actively attempting to influence main issues without fully involving himself.  

 

Still, I think Red is actually getting some traction so [v] Red [/v]

That is a very random reason to town read someone.  What if he had an opinion that everyone else did? Would you call him scum for that?  

 

What about him being fixed on Tommy? I read that as scummy particularly coupled with the reasoning  he gave. I think Hoof looks fine so far. I agree that he isn't involving much but his actions so far doesn't strike me as suspicious.    

[Darthe]

Gonna flip town. Gonna watch Tommy blame me. Did what I could.

[Tommyrod]

X you sound like you're asking questions just to ask questions instead of asking questions because you're genuinely interested in the answer

[Hallia]

We still have a day, don't throw in the towel!

[Tommyrod]

Gonna flip town. Gonna watch Tommy blame me. Did what I could.

It's DEFINITELY your fault if you're town. I'm gonna blame you until my head falls off.

 

This also is not a defense. You don't seem to have any real reasons for thinking the players on my wagon are town. What you said about Dice and Dawn is the thinnest of meta reasons and aren't even accurate. Neither of them is playing the field or being vocal. If you're gonna lie, at least come up with a plausible lie.

 

Do you not remember the last time you cleared Dawn and you were town? She was scum. Wouldn't you want to avoid doing that again?

 

That and you having a scum read on me for being myself, it's all a bit much for me to believe

 

So I conclude you're scum. It's better than the alternative!

[Xthrax]

 

 

Darthe (5) - NotBob, Nolder, Vos, Tommy, Dawn

Tommy (4) - Rand, Darthe, Dice, TinaHel

Tsukibana (3) - Andrej, TGlems, Lenlo

Red (2) - Xthrax, Hally

TGlems (1) - Despothera

Dicetosser (1) - Blackhoof

Rand (1) - WWWwombat

Dawn (1) - Red

 

a bit of train analysis here based on my reads.  Dawn looks overly cautious in this game which is problematic because that's her scum MO and yet that conflicts with my neg read on Red who has been sitting on Dawn for a bit.  Regardless I find both of them suspect, I just don't think that they're likely wolves together.

 

BH is on Dice which I think is also a town/scum scenario, probably where Dice is the townie.  I don't see reasons to vote him and yet I've noticed people like Tommy (who btw, nobody in this game should be following) pushing him.  

 

My train is frankly awful..  Most of the people voting me have been at one another at some point in this thread and don't have much consensus past "let's suddenly go here cause Darthe looks quiet".  I don't see substantial reasoning for me to be a train at all, much less the lead train, leading me to think that it is pretty heavily scum motivated with a couple of derpy/skimming town sort of going with the flow of the day.  I don't particularly care to fight it in lieu of how ungodly long the dawn phase was and how much affect it seems to be having on the way things play out so... sorry?  Ain't got time or interest in anything like that.  On that train I feel positive to negative about people in this order: NB, Vos, Nol, Dawn, Tommy

 

Tommy train on the other hand looks solid.  I have a firm town read on Rand and Dice and I have no clue about Tina who tends to be pretty objective as scum.  She could be sneaking in a bus vote if Tommy is scum (mainly me acknowledging her ability to blend rather than postulating about her alignment) or could have had substantial reasons for the vote that I didn't read.  

 

I don't get the Tsuki train so much anymore but I like who is on it.  I sense that it doesn't have the force needed for those people to stay much longer in the day, especially with Tsuki being such a light presence in this thread since he began getting attention.  

 

Red train R god tier train.  Hally looks more earnest than her scum game.  X always wears his alignment on his sleeves and is town here.

 

Don't care about the others save that they shouldn't still be around and are good places to hide this late in day.  Watch for a CFD from those slots onto a late train should it happen to be a townie that dies or some scum who gets obviously outted.

 

I don't think I've played with Dawn before, but to me being cautious is a good thing. Right at the moment people who feel confident  approching and reading others are scum due to beforehand knowledge.

 

I still don't see how you read Dice as town particularly after his reasoning.

 

I agree that your train is popping up suddenly looks weird. One moment nothing and the next a lot of people on it. Same with Tsuki's train-people just seemed to jump on. All started with the popcorning thing that didn't look big to me.

 

Tommy's train as well looks weird to me because a lot of people have bogus reasoning for voting him-just that he claimed Galactus or now one of the twins

 

 

Dice is town in this game.  If he were scum he wouldn't toss out any opinion that didn't fit the status quo generally.  I think BH looks odd, he tends to try and figure out what is going on in the fringes of games as town and here he is actively attempting to influence main issues without fully involving himself.  

 

Still, I think Red is actually getting some traction so [v] Red [/v]

 

I agree about Dice. He looks town to me. 

 

I don't see it. What makes you think he's town? A lot of people seem to be saying Dice is town after others vote him

 

 

1 - (about the "freudian slip"). You caught me

Amazed nobody pointed this out.  It's not a normal way to speak and is a pretty obvious sign of a guilty conscious.  Also that last scene was about me.
 
[v] vos [/v]

 

 
People stopped talking about this misrep and they shouldn't have. Darthe never explained or responded to how scummy of a move that was, and instead pulled his patented "Oh I don't care about the game blahblah everyone's dumb" and then claimed his role in a somewhat suspicious manner (as in, made it seem like he was just a normal BG, nothing special, no character claim even tho that wouldn't have sold me, it still looked weird without it)
 
Ftr, I was considering moving my vote to Red (since TG isn't taking off atm), until I saw another post of hers while catching up as well as the fact that Darthe approves of the train on her.
 

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So, no one else ever asked X what these were about?
 
X, were these posts significant at all, or just you typing all the keys in order and then reverse to mess around? That kind of thing doesn't really seem like you...
 

I don't see how that looks like a misrep Des. Vos said that he had been caught when  someone said that he made a Freudian slip. How is that a normal way to respond? To me that looks like joking and at the same time trying to push away the weight/significance of it. How did Darthe misrep that?

 

Charcter claims, IMO in a game based on a source as large as this are fairly useless because with so many characters anyone can claim one. Darthe could have just a normal BG. Not every role  needs to be special. So I don't see how you find it suspicious. You say that a character claim wouldn't have made you a believer but you still find him suspicious for not giving one? I don't like it.  

 

For my letters, yeah there is a reason. Red pointed out to me that I had to pull out qoutes to make it easier on others. I was trying to pull out a quote-one of mine itself but instead just putting out something already present,  I typed in letters. But the quote attempt didn't work-so the letters just appeared by themselves. 

 

[Tommyrod]

That X post was better

[Songstress]

 

 

Shii- How could it be a misrep at all? A direct quote and interpretation. Even someone who didnt agree with me couldnt be thick enough to convince themselves that it was misrepresentative when the player actually friggin said it.

You had to chop a quote to make your point. Deliberately ignoring the rest of what was said. How is not a misrep to not take into account the entire sentence?

How is it? Its a psychologically based tell. Do you just not understand what that means or something? If I said in response to you asking me if I am scum "Im scum a lot but today I am not" thats significantly more likely to come from a scummer than a townie who would just say "nope". The whole point of subconscious is that the two things are linked in his mind so he represents them differently. The whole point of the f ame is awareness of this fact and recognition of other people doing it. This cant be that hard. Also, odd number of people defending vos here.

 

 

Darthe, Vos is from Norway.  English is more than likely NOT his first language.  People who speak other languages as their first language often structure sentences awkwardly from time to time - see Tina for example, or several others.  Chopping a whole post down to a sentence fragment to remove the context and then declaring the fragment scummy is manipulation and misrepresentation.  I'm not liking your reactions here.

 

I'm also not a fan of Dice's "I think Vos is being set up / I think Darthe is town" post - I agree with Des that's pretty contradictory.

 

[v]Darthe[/v]

[Darthe]

 

Gonna flip town. Gonna watch Tommy blame me. Did what I could.

It's DEFINITELY your fault if you're town. I'm gonna blame you until my head falls off.

 

This also is not a defense. You don't seem to have any real reasons for thinking the players on my wagon are town. What you said about Dice and Dawn is the thinnest of meta reasons and aren't even accurate. Neither of them is playing the field or being vocal. If you're gonna lie, at least come up with a plausible lie.

 

Do you not remember the last time you cleared Dawn and you were town? She was scum. Wouldn't you want to avoid doing that again?

 

That and you having a scum read on me for being myself, it's all a bit much for me to believe

 

So I conclude you're scum. It's better than the alternative!

 

Not my fault your head is so far up your ass that you can't see any opinion that doesn't fit your own.  Also, the bold are directly contrary.  I remember the last time you were scum and did something stupid and got away with it.  Caution is warranted and townie.