[Advanced/Experimental] No Roles Disney Game - Game Over - Town Wins!

Pralaya · May 13, 2014

Bold is mine. Pral, I did make this assumption at all. As I said above, the statement - that maybe he had inactive teammates - was tongue-in-cheek. I am a little curious now that you apparently ignored where I said it was a joke, because looking at it now, it seems pretty clear to me.

The thing is you say it is a joke and you proceed to explain it anyway and add 2 more lines of explanation.Anyway, it is making a mountain of a molehill right now. Will be keeping an eye on you :)

nervositee · May 13, 2014

Also, why are no-one talking about Lenlo being so jumping-up-and-down frustrated at Mish being coy, but not bothering with Wombats fake/scum-claim!?

What? Did I miss something?

Also, why are no-one talking about Lenlo being so jumping-up-and-down frustrated at Mish being coy, but not bothering with Wombats fake/scum-claim!?

What? Did I miss something?

This definitely needs an answer.

Did I miss something?

Gaston is the main villain of Beauty of the Beast, no?

nervositee · May 13, 2014

Also, why are no-one talking about Lenlo being so jumping-up-and-down frustrated at Mish being coy, but not bothering with Wombats fake/scum-claim!?

Butthurt detected.

[unvote]

[v]Vos[/v]

Also WTL Kaylee

:rolleyes:

WWWwombat · May 13, 2014

Also, why are no-one talking about Lenlo being so jumping-up-and-down frustrated at Mish being coy, but not bothering with Wombats fake/scum-claim!?

Butthurt detected.

I'm more concerned with what he means by your "fake/scum claim".

1. Darthe - Town read

2. Amega - scum lean

3. Alanna - town lean

4. Vos - scum read

5. Kaylee - scum read

6. TGlems - null

7. Lenlo - mixed

8. Pralaya - town lean

9. Hallia - town read

10. Mish - null

11. AJ - null

12. Lia - null

13. Wombat - LOCK CLEAR

14. Krak - null

15. Verb - null

16. Leelou - town lean

How did I move down to null from the town-lean pile you had me in yesterday?

Pretty clear what he means about my claim. He's saying that because I claimed Gaston I'm scum. Which totally flies in the face of his not wanting to talk about character claims, but i guess we're supposed ot ignore that.

You moved to null by posting a lot and saying little.

WWWwombat · May 13, 2014

Also, why are no-one talking about Lenlo being so jumping-up-and-down frustrated at Mish being coy, but not bothering with Wombats fake/scum-claim!?

What? Did I miss something?

Also, why are no-one talking about Lenlo being so jumping-up-and-down frustrated at Mish being coy, but not bothering with Wombats fake/scum-claim!?

What? Did I miss something?

This definitely needs an answer.

Did I miss something?

Gaston is the main villain of Beauty of the Beast, no?

Sup. You're talking about character claims again.

nervositee · May 13, 2014

Yeah I am. Why?

And I didn't say you're scum. I said it's weird Lenlo didn't point if out, when he freaked out about Mish.

Your extreme selectiveness of what of my posts you read and what you don't is starting to get frustrating. Do you have a reason or is it just not to lose face because you already decided I'm scum?

WWWwombat · May 13, 2014

I read all of your posts. Idk why you would think differently just because I don't respond to all of them.

Andrej · May 13, 2014

For example Len was the first to come out saying he didn't like AJs point on claiming. Then doing a 180 and contributing to D1 being consistently about characters, which is why he is my main suspect at this point (ISOing him now). Especially where he says claims are null, yet going on and on about it, especially towards Mishs' coyness about her character. I'll be back with my thoughts on him in a sec.

You're misunderstanding here - character claims themselves are null. As I've said, no singular claim is likely to lead directly to saving/lynching someone. The actions around these claims (Mish's for instance - her 'coyness') along with what players say in arguments for or against claims are very much gameplay and should not be ignored. THAT was the agreement Wombat and Len came to.

Andrej · May 13, 2014

If only my mobile browser would stop shutting down every time I open the page maybe I could post something.

This game started before I expected, before Mother's day. I simply haven't had the time to put together a good post yet. The others were merely to say I am around and catching up on reading (41 pages at one time). I sacrificed most of my sleep last night to do that. I'll try to make a better post on my lunch.

Looking forward to it.

WWWwombat · May 13, 2014

For example Len was the first to come out saying he didn't like AJs point on claiming. Then doing a 180 and contributing to D1 being consistently about characters, which is why he is my main suspect at this point (ISOing him now). Especially where he says claims are null, yet going on and on about it, especially towards Mishs' coyness about her character. I'll be back with my thoughts on him in a sec.

You're misunderstanding here - character claims themselves are null. As I've said, no singular claim is likely to lead directly to saving/lynching someone. The actions around these claims (Mish's for instance - her 'coyness') along with what players say in arguments for or against claims are very much gameplay and should not be ignored. THAT was the agreement Wombat and Len came to.

Agreed. Although I see Mish's "coyness" as a null tell.

Andrej · May 13, 2014

I'm Mrs. Potts.

Hot.

Andrej · May 13, 2014

For example Len was the first to come out saying he didn't like AJs point on claiming. Then doing a 180 and contributing to D1 being consistently about characters, which is why he is my main suspect at this point (ISOing him now). Especially where he says claims are null, yet going on and on about it, especially towards Mishs' coyness about her character. I'll be back with my thoughts on him in a sec.

You're misunderstanding here - character claims themselves are null. As I've said, no singular claim is likely to lead directly to saving/lynching someone. The actions around these claims (Mish's for instance - her 'coyness') along with what players say in arguments for or against claims are very much gameplay and should not be ignored. THAT was the agreement Wombat and Len came to.

Agreed. Although I see Mish's "coyness" as a null tell.

The hinting definitely bothered me - but I believe her motive behind it, however bad. I think her attitude likely points to her being a townie actually, but Mish is always one of those I kind of have a perma-scum read on. Not a fan of her vote on Len either, FTR. The reasoning behind it is pretty bad - Len has a point that she thus far is the only main character claimed. It's natural for him to doubt it given the other info we have and her behavior around claiming in the first place. Very OMGUSy.

Andrej · May 13, 2014

I said it's weird Lenlo didn't point if out, when he freaked out about Mish.

Again - you're missing the point.

Andrej · May 13, 2014

So TG/Wombat are both from Beauty & the Beast.

That's the first same movie pair I think we've got so far.

Andrej · May 13, 2014

[unvote]

[v]Vos[/v]

I have no interest in lynching Len today.

He's a firm town read on my list.

Kaylee · May 13, 2014

This is really bad. You are casing Len on weak semantic grounds imo. Who cares exactly how Len defines the difference between main and secondary? Gaston may not be a title character, but he's pretty important in his movie. This is the kid of case scum makes to drive home a mislynch.

Bold: that's only part of my case against him. The rest is how he went back and forth between talking about character claims, saying their null, to talking about them again. He questioned me when I said he went back and forth on it, I just pointed it out for him as he asked. I also don't care how he defines the two, it was that he had asked her about being a main character, esp if it was bad, then denied ever saying it that I was pointing out.

Darthe · May 13, 2014

vote Darthe

Spamming to gain powers for his scum team.

Enlighten me.

I've only started reading backwards but I dislike your secret plan.

Well, it's a secret so you can't know it yet.

A gif representation of us playing mafia. Darthe, you can be dude #2.

You know me so well.

Also, why are no-one talking about Lenlo being so jumping-up-and-down frustrated at Mish being coy, but not bothering with Wombats fake/scum-claim!?

...

Yeah I am. Why?

And I didn't say you're scum. I said it's weird Lenlo didn't point if out, when he freaked out about Mish.

Your extreme selectiveness of what of my posts you read and what you don't is starting to get frustrating. Do you have a reason or is it just not to lose face because you already decided I'm scum?

So when do the rest of you want to get on this Vos wagon?

@Womby, I didn't quote your earlier post about random darthe vigs but IMO a vig is more valuable than a cop view in this game.

WWWwombat · May 13, 2014

@Womby, I didn't quote your earlier post about random darthe vigs but IMO a vig is more valuable than a cop view in this game.

Of course. Some pretty anti-town items on that list.

Darthe · May 13, 2014

Yeah. With how cheap both godfathers and the like are I think I would rather instakill scum reads in most cases. It backfires if too many of us do so though so I personally only intend to buy 1 vig shot. I'll state that much now.

WWWwombat · May 13, 2014

Btw, did you see how Kaylee uted herself as scum and spewed Len town?

WWWwombat · May 13, 2014

This is really bad. You are casing Len on weak semantic grounds imo. Who cares exactly how Len defines the difference between main and secondary? Gaston may not be a title character, but he's pretty important in his movie. This is the kid of case scum makes to drive home a mislynch.

Bold: that's only part of my case against him. The rest is how he went back and forth between talking about character claims, saying their null, to talking about them again. He questioned me when I said he went back and forth on it, I just pointed it out for him as he asked. I also don't care how he defines the two, it was that he had asked her about being a main character, esp if it was bad, then denied ever saying it that I was pointing out.

Which is basically just a repackaging of things that I said earlier in the game.

Leelou · May 13, 2014

[unvote]

[v]Vos[/v]

Tyler Glembo · May 13, 2014

Len part 2:

Here he tells Pral he should catch and and reiterates that him and Womby agree that character claims are null and get to gameplay. Now he's back to talking about claims. He says " if we lock people into a claim then they cant BS anything later on. Force them into it now while people are still establishing their town/scumminess." (So back to character talk and how it's important. What happened to making it about gameplay and characters being null?) More secondary character talk.

This quote is partly in response to Womby questioning his back and forth on character talk and partly to Mish about her claim. (I'm going to respond to several things so I'll put each point on a bullet to make it easier to follow. The part of Len's post I'm talking about will be in quotation marks).

"1) Yes I believe and have always believed this will be a game of supporting characters." (Only supporting characters? Mish claimed a main one. She may not be the only one with a main character. Again what happened to looking at gameplay and focusing on that?)

"3) I didn't push Mish for hinting a main Character" (I just find this funny with his first point in the same quote. May be true, but it's still odd.)

"I never said if you were a "bad guy" that I wanted to know, I said I wanted to know because your hinting is stupid." (Not true. In my part 1 I pointed out his exact wording where he did in fact say...oh I'll copy it here: "If its a main character like Wombys, a bad main character, than I want to know." Yeah you did Len, I just quoted and bolded it for you.)

Summary: Len goes back and forth on his views about character claiming. (from the time he says he's interested to telling Womby he's not to back to being interested and pushing it.) Alanna: that's why I singled him out on it against the others pushing it. He also contradicts himself above. (Tells Mish he wants to know if she's a main character, esp a bad one. Then when she brings it up he says he didn't say that.) I know Womby asked him about his back and forth and he said he only said he wanted to focus on gameplay and that character claims are null because otherwise Wombat wouldn't leave him alone, or something like that, but then why also say it to Pral? Inconsistent maybe is a better word than back and forth. I'm comfortable leaving my vote here.

This is really bad. You are casing Len on weak semantic grounds imo. Who cares exactly how Len defines the difference between main and secondary? Gaston may not be a title character, but he's pretty important in his movie. This is the kid of case scum makes to drive home a mislynch.

unvote, vote Wombat

Did you ignore the 3rd point? Especially the part about Len completely contradicting himself?

I'm Mrs. Potts.

Hot.

It's that secret thing with Lumiere, isn't it?

WWWwombat · May 13, 2014

Unoffical Vote count:

Lenlo (4) - Krak, Kaylee, Mish, Vos
Mish (1) - Lenlo
Vos (4) - Darthe, Womby, AJ, Leelou
Krak (1) - Pralaya
Wombat(1) - TG

Not voting - Alanna, Hallia, Amega, Lia, Verb,

Deadline Wednesday 8PM MST/11PM EDT

Lenlo · May 13, 2014

Part 1 on Len my responses/notes will be in ().

Len: starts off against the mass claim idea here. Again here says it'll be useless but he's interested to see who people pick. Here is where he joins the character conversation noting that all claimed characters to that point have been side characters and claims himself. (Nothing really stood out to me yet here)

This is him saying if one person was going to get a main character then we all should have, after all there's plenty of them. Here he starts asking Mish about her character. (I won't include them all, but I'm going somewhere with this...) He says " If its a main character like Wombys, a bad main character, than I want to know". (You can click the link to see that I haven't messed with the wording here). He then gives points, here, as to why he's suspicious of Mish's hinting. In that same post he says he doesn't think Gaston is a main character, though he guesses it could be considered as such. (It's not much, very weak honestly, but it is different than he said to Mish in the quotes above. He said "If it's a main character like Wombys...".)

In this post he says "So myself im going to treat a character as a character regardless of if its a main or a secondary or a tertiary claim. Until we see a theme alginments I will treat character claims as null. So basically I want to focus on gameplay instead of characters. Agree?" (I added this to show how he tells Womby the bold: that character claims will be treated as null to him and he just wanted to focus on gameplay instead of characters. Up to this point he's been focusing on characters and speculating which type, main or secondary, will be in the game. Now he doesn't want to focus on them anymore.)

You misunderstand. Characters are null. It doesnt matter who someone picks. What isnt null is the gameplay around how, when and why people claim. For instance Mish's claim compared to AJ's. The way AJ claimed is towny to me, the when he claimed is towny to me and the why he claimed is towny to me. Thus, it all points to AJ being town. Mishs though, well here:

How: Hints, FOS's at my pushs, lots of dodging and then a claim.

When: After pages and pages of confrontation on it.

Why: To reveal that she laid a trap. A horrible trap imo.

See? They both claimed but the way they both claimed is completely different.

And now he fos'es me simply over my character claim. That's a quite priceless contradiction that I'd forgotten about.

[unvote] [v] Len [/v]

Hmmm... No. I didnt FOS you over your character claim, if I FOS someone I say FOS. What I did was I prodded you about how you character is inconsistent with others and how thats interesting to me. Bad OMGUS is bad.

Len part 2:

Here he tells Pral he should catch and and reiterates that him and Womby agree that character claims are null and get to gameplay. Now he's back to talking about claims. He says " if we lock people into a claim then they cant BS anything later on. Force them into it now while people are still establishing their town/scumminess." (So back to character talk and how it's important. What happened to making it about gameplay and characters being null?) More secondary character talk.

This quote is partly in response to Womby questioning his back and forth on character talk and partly to Mish about her claim. (I'm going to respond to several things so I'll put each point on a bullet to make it easier to follow. The part of Len's post I'm talking about will be in quotation marks).

"1) Yes I believe and have always believed this will be a game of supporting characters." (Only supporting characters? Mish claimed a main one. She may not be the only one with a main character. Again what happened to looking at gameplay and focusing on that?)

"3) I didn't push Mish for hinting a main Character" (I just find this funny with his first point in the same quote. May be true, but it's still odd.)

"I never said if you were a "bad guy" that I wanted to know, I said I wanted to know because your hinting is stupid." (Not true. In my part 1 I pointed out his exact wording where he did in fact say...oh I'll copy it here: "If its a main character like Wombys, a bad main character, than I want to know." Yeah you did Len, I just quoted and bolded it for you.)

Summary: Len goes back and forth on his views about character claiming. (from the time he says he's interested to telling Womby he's not to back to being interested and pushing it.) Alanna: that's why I singled him out on it against the others pushing it. He also contradicts himself above. (Tells Mish he wants to know if she's a main character, esp a bad one. Then when she brings it up he says he didn't say that.) I know Womby asked him about his back and forth and he said he only said he wanted to focus on gameplay and that character claims are null because otherwise Wombat wouldn't leave him alone, or something like that, but then why also say it to Pral? Inconsistent maybe is a better word than back and forth. I'm comfortable leaving my vote here.

Im not flip flopping, im just doing a very bad job of getting across and explaining my point.

Also, why are no-one talking about Lenlo being so jumping-up-and-down frustrated at Mish being coy, but not bothering with Wombats fake/scum-claim!?

Because of the way they claimed? Wombat just came out and said it, Mish beat around the bush and did stupid things with it. I also dont care that Womby claimed a bad guy because I have no reason to suspect that bad guys are evil yet.

Q: How do you know that Wombats claim is fake/scum? Please god tell me you just outted yourself and a teammate, because that would make my day.

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