[Basic] Real Genius Mafia - GAME OVER - TOWN AND SURVIVOR WIN

[Kaylee]

Amega: I get that some of the responses were in reference to another game. My point was that it's hard to see after all that where you now stand.

[Kaylee]

Clov: I'm not saying he can't agree with someone he thinks is scum. He can, I've done it, it happens. My point was I was unclear how he was reading Tommy.

 

 

I thought it was a good point as well, but wanted to hear from her. Her reply still had me leaning town.

[Kaylee]

Amega: what is your read on Tommy? I'm still unclear on that. You suspect Darthe, and you answered on me but I couldn't tell by your response how tout feel about Tommy.

 

You said I seem paranoid and that "out of all of that" that you didn't say anything about Tommy's alignment either way....let me grab the quote where you did.

[Songstress]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

Nommy (1) - Basel

Amega (3) - Mish, CrayLee, Leno

Mish (1) - Clov

Dawthe (1) - Nommy

 

Not Voting (6): Zanube, Tsuki, Amega, Dawthe, Hallia, Pral

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Everyone has checked in. Deadline for D1 will be set later this evening.

[Kaylee]

Amega: Can't get mobile to cooperate but it's when you said you don't feel Tommy yet and went on to say why. I took that as you saying you were suspicious of him.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

A mixture. Nyn has had some very pro-town post, most notably the case on Basel. Tommy I can't read this early, so Nyn dominates that read. You and Cory are content. Hallia and Pral more meta/gut read. Amega and Basel, content.

 

I can accept this.  I wasn't sure where the hell you were coming from on Hallia.  I saw nothing of value to that point, but the one game I played with her was fairly quiet.  Acceptable reads so far.

 

Well, I meant to say something before... but you can be a little creepy sometimes. I'm sure you get that all the time.

 

 

 

Nyn

QFE, QFT

Blue: kTells Darthe to let his play speak for himself, not tell people he's cleared.

 

 

Not sure how he feels about Craylee atm, started off saying how Cory should play, riles him, now...?

 

Purple: He accuses Pral of being mafia because of how he worded things.

 

Bold: Says he was just trying to irritate Cory for dictating what he could say? Wait, didn't he tell Cory how to play concerning Tommy? Pot meet Kettle.

 

Green: Agrees with Tommy about Mish. So he now trust Tommy? I'm confused.

 

He ends by telling Darthe to have Dawn play.

 

(Trimmed for size, obviously) This was generally good analysis, and I like the effort.  Regarding the green, do you think that his suspicions of Tommy should prevent him from agreeing with a point he raises about a different player?  More importantly, do you disagree with Amega that Tommy's point about Mish was good?

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Nommy (1) - Basel

Amega (3) - Mish, Nommy, CrayLee

Mish (1) - Clov

 

 

Not Voting (8): Zanube, Tsuki, Amega, Leno, Dawthe, Hallia, Pral

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

No deadline has been set at this time.

Still waiting to check in: Zanube - Despo has offered to step in if the mentee does not arrive

 

 

Hey, guys checking in. I'll post regarding game if all goes well tomorrow

 

Awful timing is awful.  Slight suspicion.

 

 

Seems fair.

 

Zanube being gone is terrible considering how active his mentor would be.

Clov looks slight town.

CrayJay is slight town (I have issue with Kaylee.  My main tell on her is that as scum she safely always summates instead of giving her impressions, aka IIOA which is information instead of analysis)

Tsuki? no friggin clue

Amega - slight scum, mainly for the taunting post he made at you and for his really spastic manner of overstating everything.  The reason this is slight is because I recently mentored him and watched him do this as town, albeit in a slightly more concise manner.

Lenlo? hasn't been around.  starting to see a trend.  His one significant post was meh.

Hally I can't recall either.  I feel like she has posted but hasn't contributed.  Prob town since that is her MO but I am not willing to clear her yet.

Laya looks a bit better, I recall him contributing meaningfully.  Gut impression, mind you.  I've not actually went back through

Nommy I like this game.  Pressured you right off the bat to see if I could get an atypical opening from you and I got what I wanted from it.  

Mish I can't really recall tbh

Basel I am a fan of here.  His posts, when made, look like town basel based on my quite good meta of him.  Unfortunately that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes good scumhunting.

 

1. WHY DOES CLOV LOOK LIKE TOWN?!?! You said this before. I questioned you twice. No answer. Now you say it again on your list of reads and fail to explain why. You can't ignore me forever!

 

2. So lets sum this up.

 

You have a null read on: Zanube, Tsuki, Lenlo, Mish.

Town lean: Clov (no reason provided repeatedly), CrayLee (based on Kaylee meta), Hallia (based on meta), Basil (meta), Paralya (gut impression), Nommy.

Scum lean: Amega (Meta for mentoring him).

 

You also conclude that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes as good scumhunting. Agreed.

 

 

Guys, I think Darthe blew the case wide open! :P

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Lol nyn im calling clov town based on very little right now. We are really similar and he is making the same sorts of points that I am. A good example of this is whenhe picked cory out for corys odd post about my townread of him.

 

It seems to really bother you that I didnt answer that quickly. Tbh I just hadnt read back to figureboutbwhat your question was cause ive been on mobile while nicci was here (she isnt much of a mafia fan) and am busy catching up in another game.

 

Another thing you got wrong nyn. I said specifically that Basel has a meta that is counter intuitive. He is more open as town and thus scummier because he isnt good at shaping sentences in such a way that they look townie and he tends to be reticent to stand out so much as scum making him appear townier at a base level.

 

I'm sorry if irked that you have this much directly wrong when you quoted the post.

 

 

I'm sorry if irked that you have this much directly wrong when you quoted the post.

 

LOL  nice spin. You should work for bush.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Explain how that is a spin Nyn. My thoughts are direct and on thread. Right now you look like youre spouting anything you can to try and work your angle. When I make statements and you directly ignore parts of them and summarize them I am going to call question to that 100% of the time.

 

Darthe looking good here IMO.  I like his response to Nyn's questioning about the counter-intuitive comment.  I don't like when people misrepresent my words (whether accidental or or intentional), and that clearly happened with Nyn's red statement.  Would have looked worse if he backtracked instead of clarifying.

 

 

I disagree with you on Darthe. While he clarified instead of backtracking, he still didnt answer Nyns question about Cory and imo the tone of the pieces doesnt feel good to me.

 

 

She didn't say anything about Cory, except that Darthe was reading Cory (and Kaylee) as slight town.  Nyn also attributed this read to Darthe's meta on Kaylee, while his statement suggests that his meta actually lessens the read ("I have issues with Kayleee"). 

 

What she asked was about Darthe's read on me, which Darthe answered. 

 

Pretend I don't know what tone is.  Actually, pretend I think it's a stupid way of forming reads and is an easily manipulated system that allows scum to bullshit reads without ever getting called to form a well-formed justification.  What about his tone doesn't feel good?

[michellem]

Why are people ignoring my questions and commentary about Darthe's argumentative approach being weird?

 

Mish: I have no recollection what you're like as mafia, sorry. I don't remember being in a game where you were mafia.

 

I'm not ignoring; I just agreed he was acting very off.

 

And it was AJ's Bloodmoon mafia I believe.

[Tommyrod]

I don't remember being in a game AJ hosted. I play a lot of games. I'm in 3 right now and hosting 1.

[michellem]

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/87151-basic-blood-moon-mafia-game-over/?hl=%20blood%20%20moon

[Lenlo]

 

 

 

 

A mixture. Nyn has had some very pro-town post, most notably the case on Basel. Tommy I can't read this early, so Nyn dominates that read. You and Cory are content. Hallia and Pral more meta/gut read. Amega and Basel, content.

 

I can accept this.  I wasn't sure where the hell you were coming from on Hallia.  I saw nothing of value to that point, but the one game I played with her was fairly quiet.  Acceptable reads so far.

 

Well, I meant to say something before... but you can be a little creepy sometimes. I'm sure you get that all the time.

 

 

 

Nyn

QFE, QFT

Blue: kTells Darthe to let his play speak for himself, not tell people he's cleared.

 

 

Not sure how he feels about Craylee atm, started off saying how Cory should play, riles him, now...?

 

Purple: He accuses Pral of being mafia because of how he worded things.

 

Bold: Says he was just trying to irritate Cory for dictating what he could say? Wait, didn't he tell Cory how to play concerning Tommy? Pot meet Kettle.

 

Green: Agrees with Tommy about Mish. So he now trust Tommy? I'm confused.

 

He ends by telling Darthe to have Dawn play.

 

(Trimmed for size, obviously) This was generally good analysis, and I like the effort.  Regarding the green, do you think that his suspicions of Tommy should prevent him from agreeing with a point he raises about a different player?  More importantly, do you disagree with Amega that Tommy's point about Mish was good?

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Nommy (1) - Basel

Amega (3) - Mish, Nommy, CrayLee

Mish (1) - Clov

 

 

Not Voting (8): Zanube, Tsuki, Amega, Leno, Dawthe, Hallia, Pral

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

No deadline has been set at this time.

Still waiting to check in: Zanube - Despo has offered to step in if the mentee does not arrive

 

 

Hey, guys checking in. I'll post regarding game if all goes well tomorrow

 

Awful timing is awful.  Slight suspicion.

 

 

Seems fair.

 

Zanube being gone is terrible considering how active his mentor would be.

Clov looks slight town.

CrayJay is slight town (I have issue with Kaylee.  My main tell on her is that as scum she safely always summates instead of giving her impressions, aka IIOA which is information instead of analysis)

Tsuki? no friggin clue

Amega - slight scum, mainly for the taunting post he made at you and for his really spastic manner of overstating everything.  The reason this is slight is because I recently mentored him and watched him do this as town, albeit in a slightly more concise manner.

Lenlo? hasn't been around.  starting to see a trend.  His one significant post was meh.

Hally I can't recall either.  I feel like she has posted but hasn't contributed.  Prob town since that is her MO but I am not willing to clear her yet.

Laya looks a bit better, I recall him contributing meaningfully.  Gut impression, mind you.  I've not actually went back through

Nommy I like this game.  Pressured you right off the bat to see if I could get an atypical opening from you and I got what I wanted from it.  

Mish I can't really recall tbh

Basel I am a fan of here.  His posts, when made, look like town basel based on my quite good meta of him.  Unfortunately that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes good scumhunting.

 

1. WHY DOES CLOV LOOK LIKE TOWN?!?! You said this before. I questioned you twice. No answer. Now you say it again on your list of reads and fail to explain why. You can't ignore me forever!

 

2. So lets sum this up.

 

You have a null read on: Zanube, Tsuki, Lenlo, Mish.

Town lean: Clov (no reason provided repeatedly), CrayLee (based on Kaylee meta), Hallia (based on meta), Basil (meta), Paralya (gut impression), Nommy.

Scum lean: Amega (Meta for mentoring him).

 

You also conclude that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes as good scumhunting. Agreed.

 

 

Guys, I think Darthe blew the case wide open! :P

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Lol nyn im calling clov town based on very little right now. We are really similar and he is making the same sorts of points that I am. A good example of this is whenhe picked cory out for corys odd post about my townread of him.

 

It seems to really bother you that I didnt answer that quickly. Tbh I just hadnt read back to figureboutbwhat your question was cause ive been on mobile while nicci was here (she isnt much of a mafia fan) and am busy catching up in another game.

 

Another thing you got wrong nyn. I said specifically that Basel has a meta that is counter intuitive. He is more open as town and thus scummier because he isnt good at shaping sentences in such a way that they look townie and he tends to be reticent to stand out so much as scum making him appear townier at a base level.

 

I'm sorry if irked that you have this much directly wrong when you quoted the post.

 

 

I'm sorry if irked that you have this much directly wrong when you quoted the post.

 

LOL  nice spin. You should work for bush.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Explain how that is a spin Nyn. My thoughts are direct and on thread. Right now you look like youre spouting anything you can to try and work your angle. When I make statements and you directly ignore parts of them and summarize them I am going to call question to that 100% of the time.

 

Darthe looking good here IMO.  I like his response to Nyn's questioning about the counter-intuitive comment.  I don't like when people misrepresent my words (whether accidental or or intentional), and that clearly happened with Nyn's red statement.  Would have looked worse if he backtracked instead of clarifying.

 

 

I disagree with you on Darthe. While he clarified instead of backtracking, he still didnt answer Nyns question about Cory and imo the tone of the pieces doesnt feel good to me.

 

 

She didn't say anything about Cory, except that Darthe was reading Cory (and Kaylee) as slight town.  Nyn also attributed this read to Darthe's meta on Kaylee, while his statement suggests that his meta actually lessens the read ("I have issues with Kayleee"). 

 

What she asked was about Darthe's read on me, which Darthe answered. 

 

Pretend I don't know what tone is.  Actually, pretend I think it's a stupid way of forming reads and is an easily manipulated system that allows scum to bullshit reads without ever getting called to form a well-formed justification.  What about his tone doesn't feel good?

 

Oh sorry it was about you, not Cory. Look Clov Cory, you both start with C and have 4 letters.

 

And perhaps tone wasnt the best word, I get a bad feeling from it. Which ofc is also probably not the most admissible thing for you but I dont really care atm.

[Tommyrod]

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/87151-basic-blood-moon-mafia-game-over/?hl=%20blood%20%20moon

Woo yeah I forgot that game. What should I get out of this? That you're good at being scum? Bad at it? Just walk me through it lol I'm tired

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

 

 

A mixture. Nyn has had some very pro-town post, most notably the case on Basel. Tommy I can't read this early, so Nyn dominates that read. You and Cory are content. Hallia and Pral more meta/gut read. Amega and Basel, content.

 

I can accept this.  I wasn't sure where the hell you were coming from on Hallia.  I saw nothing of value to that point, but the one game I played with her was fairly quiet.  Acceptable reads so far.

 

Well, I meant to say something before... but you can be a little creepy sometimes. I'm sure you get that all the time.

 

 

 

Nyn

QFE, QFT

Blue: kTells Darthe to let his play speak for himself, not tell people he's cleared.

 

 

Not sure how he feels about Craylee atm, started off saying how Cory should play, riles him, now...?

 

Purple: He accuses Pral of being mafia because of how he worded things.

 

Bold: Says he was just trying to irritate Cory for dictating what he could say? Wait, didn't he tell Cory how to play concerning Tommy? Pot meet Kettle.

 

Green: Agrees with Tommy about Mish. So he now trust Tommy? I'm confused.

 

He ends by telling Darthe to have Dawn play.

 

(Trimmed for size, obviously) This was generally good analysis, and I like the effort.  Regarding the green, do you think that his suspicions of Tommy should prevent him from agreeing with a point he raises about a different player?  More importantly, do you disagree with Amega that Tommy's point about Mish was good?

 

 

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT:

 

Nommy (1) - Basel

Amega (3) - Mish, Nommy, CrayLee

Mish (1) - Clov

 

 

Not Voting (8): Zanube, Tsuki, Amega, Leno, Dawthe, Hallia, Pral

 

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

 

No deadline has been set at this time.

Still waiting to check in: Zanube - Despo has offered to step in if the mentee does not arrive

 

 

Hey, guys checking in. I'll post regarding game if all goes well tomorrow

 

Awful timing is awful.  Slight suspicion.

 

 

Seems fair.

 

Zanube being gone is terrible considering how active his mentor would be.

Clov looks slight town.

CrayJay is slight town (I have issue with Kaylee.  My main tell on her is that as scum she safely always summates instead of giving her impressions, aka IIOA which is information instead of analysis)

Tsuki? no friggin clue

Amega - slight scum, mainly for the taunting post he made at you and for his really spastic manner of overstating everything.  The reason this is slight is because I recently mentored him and watched him do this as town, albeit in a slightly more concise manner.

Lenlo? hasn't been around.  starting to see a trend.  His one significant post was meh.

Hally I can't recall either.  I feel like she has posted but hasn't contributed.  Prob town since that is her MO but I am not willing to clear her yet.

Laya looks a bit better, I recall him contributing meaningfully.  Gut impression, mind you.  I've not actually went back through

Nommy I like this game.  Pressured you right off the bat to see if I could get an atypical opening from you and I got what I wanted from it.  

Mish I can't really recall tbh

Basel I am a fan of here.  His posts, when made, look like town basel based on my quite good meta of him.  Unfortunately that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes good scumhunting.

 

1. WHY DOES CLOV LOOK LIKE TOWN?!?! You said this before. I questioned you twice. No answer. Now you say it again on your list of reads and fail to explain why. You can't ignore me forever!

 

2. So lets sum this up.

 

You have a null read on: Zanube, Tsuki, Lenlo, Mish.

Town lean: Clov (no reason provided repeatedly), CrayLee (based on Kaylee meta), Hallia (based on meta), Basil (meta), Paralya (gut impression), Nommy.

Scum lean: Amega (Meta for mentoring him).

 

You also conclude that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes as good scumhunting. Agreed.

 

 

Guys, I think Darthe blew the case wide open! :P

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Lol nyn im calling clov town based on very little right now. We are really similar and he is making the same sorts of points that I am. A good example of this is whenhe picked cory out for corys odd post about my townread of him.

 

It seems to really bother you that I didnt answer that quickly. Tbh I just hadnt read back to figureboutbwhat your question was cause ive been on mobile while nicci was here (she isnt much of a mafia fan) and am busy catching up in another game.

 

Another thing you got wrong nyn. I said specifically that Basel has a meta that is counter intuitive. He is more open as town and thus scummier because he isnt good at shaping sentences in such a way that they look townie and he tends to be reticent to stand out so much as scum making him appear townier at a base level.

 

I'm sorry if irked that you have this much directly wrong when you quoted the post.

 

 

I'm sorry if irked that you have this much directly wrong when you quoted the post.

 

LOL  nice spin. You should work for bush.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Explain how that is a spin Nyn. My thoughts are direct and on thread. Right now you look like youre spouting anything you can to try and work your angle. When I make statements and you directly ignore parts of them and summarize them I am going to call question to that 100% of the time.

 

Darthe looking good here IMO.  I like his response to Nyn's questioning about the counter-intuitive comment.  I don't like when people misrepresent my words (whether accidental or or intentional), and that clearly happened with Nyn's red statement.  Would have looked worse if he backtracked instead of clarifying.

 

 

I disagree with you on Darthe. While he clarified instead of backtracking, he still didnt answer Nyns question about Cory and imo the tone of the pieces doesnt feel good to me.

 

 

She didn't say anything about Cory, except that Darthe was reading Cory (and Kaylee) as slight town.  Nyn also attributed this read to Darthe's meta on Kaylee, while his statement suggests that his meta actually lessens the read ("I have issues with Kayleee"). 

 

What she asked was about Darthe's read on me, which Darthe answered. 

 

Pretend I don't know what tone is.  Actually, pretend I think it's a stupid way of forming reads and is an easily manipulated system that allows scum to bullshit reads without ever getting called to form a well-formed justification.  What about his tone doesn't feel good?

 

Oh sorry it was about you, not Cory. Look Clov Cory, you both start with C and have 4 letters.

 

And perhaps tone wasnt the best word, I get a bad feeling from it. Which ofc is also probably not the most admissible thing for you but I dont really care atm.

 

 

Bold is perfectly fine.  How does your read on him change, if at all?

[Tommyrod]

If anyone has any questions for me I am not answering them right now

Sorry but I'm up for idle chatter

[Darthe]

 

Len you grow less helpful every game of late.

 

Nyn you still havent explained how I am spinning anything here. I want your reasoning and I want to see depth from you. How else am I supposed to refute points against me or get a good feel for you?

 

I analyzed your post. You implied in your response that my annoyance at being ignored is the reason I've read you so wrong. That's spinning. It's not true. My annoyance had nothing to do with it. You provided a list of leans based on meta and in the end you indicated that meta is not good scumhunting. It seemed contradictory so I pointed it out.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

Please for the love of god Quote what post you're talking about.  You either aren't reading my words or you're terribly biased.  I can't show myself as town to someone who treats me like I am scum before reading my posts.  And yeah, I am going to be rightfully frustrated about that.  You should get that.

 

 

Basel I am a fan of here.  His posts, when made, look like town basel based on my quite good meta of him.  Unfortunately that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes good scumhunting.

 

Lets stop the back and forth for a second, fun as it might be, and try to explain this a bit better. Maybe I just don't understand.

 

 

 

Nyn

 

What don't you understand?  It is incredibly clear.  Basel acts scummy as town, acts townier as mafia.  I even explained how he does so.

 

Watching this argument without being directly involved in it, I'm noticing Darthe seems to prefer responding when he feels he's got something to say that makes him look good. That's troubling. Town behavior is generally to speak when thoughts come to you, without excessive concern for how they may be interpreted.

 

I'm not sure what utility you think you're providing to town right now, Darthe. You're disconnected from the thread, missed important (IMO) interactions like the movement on and off of Mish, and are hedging on most of the players in this game.

 

Response? Why should I not nuke you today?

Several things.  As I rode home today I contemplated this post.  It was the last one I read so I had a lot of time to consider it and I have run into several problems.  

 

1) Why would Tommy ever not want to be directly involved in a discussion that involves his own person?  That is odd to me unless he is talking to Nyn in the QT, which I assumed from the fact that her posting the past few pages is INCREDIBLY different from anything she has ever said.  Ever.  

2) Didn't Tommy spend the first like 14 pages or so of this game trying to convince us that he was town by posting things that made him look good exclusively and then shut down when I called him out for it?  Yes, yes he did.  For someone who spent the beginning of the game arguing that townies should try actively to clear themselves he is really judgmental of me for doing so and being open about my reasoning here.  

3) Another point about the above.  I've not been doing this at all and Tommy acknowledges it in every other post he makes about me.  I'm posting off the cuff and quickly in response to everything that is said to me this game.  That is evident from the conversations we have had and fact that I haven't taken time to clean up my posts at all.  This segment of his argument completely contradicts the rest of his behavior with me.

4) I have the 4th highest post count and have provided a vast amount of the interaction in this game and he says I am disconnected from the thread because I missed a post from Mish or Len?  I have various issues with this, not least of which being that mafia doesn't generally admit to not knowing information, that he himself hasn't spoken about several players and that in general I can't think of a scum motivation for his argument.  It begs the question of what point he is trying to make here?  All I see is an effort to make me look worse on thread, which draws divides between bad and scum that Tommy conveniently ignores here.

 

Adding to what I said, Darthe appears frustrated by Nyn in an "I'm going to retaliation push you for it" way -- except he can't because he's already stated he believes I'm town and am impossible to lynch even if I wasn't :P

 

Really bothering me.  I can't put my finger quite on why but the tone here is off and it has to do with the "he can't... even if I wasn't" bit.  I remove my town read officially between Nyn being ridiculous and these last two quoted posts.

 

 

 

Seems fair.

 

Zanube being gone is terrible considering how active his mentor would be.

Clov looks slight town.

CrayJay is slight town (I have issue with Kaylee.  My main tell on her is that as scum she safely always summates instead of giving her impressions, aka IIOA which is information instead of analysis)

Tsuki? no friggin clue

Amega - slight scum, mainly for the taunting post he made at you and for his really spastic manner of overstating everything.  The reason this is slight is because I recently mentored him and watched him do this as town, albeit in a slightly more concise manner.

Lenlo? hasn't been around.  starting to see a trend.  His one significant post was meh.

Hally I can't recall either.  I feel like she has posted but hasn't contributed.  Prob town since that is her MO but I am not willing to clear her yet.

Laya looks a bit better, I recall him contributing meaningfully.  Gut impression, mind you.  I've not actually went back through

Nommy I like this game.  Pressured you right off the bat to see if I could get an atypical opening from you and I got what I wanted from it.  

Mish I can't really recall tbh

Basel I am a fan of here.  His posts, when made, look like town basel based on my quite good meta of him.  Unfortunately that meta is counter-intuitive to what constitutes good scumhunting.

 

Bold: I don't like how Darthe immediatley started discrediting after Kaylee's case on Amega. And then he also calls Amega scum here. Feels like both defending Amega and distancing from him. I think scum/scum. And I really don't like him refusing to comment on me at all pretending to not remember anything.

In general this post is ugh and I could move my vote here.

 

 

Discredit?  That assumes my post from a mafia perspective before assessing it.  Or it is a push.  Neither do I like.  Also, "pretending" to not remember anything.  I said I didn't remember her because I didn't but even if I did, how would Mish KNOW if I was pretending or not?  That entire argument is complete 100% phony bullshanks.

 

Yeah, I could see you thinking that.  I considered that you might be scum since I usually get bad mojo from you as town/town but I am not one to mistrust my own gut.  Would you care to argue that I should be sticking to a method of play that didn't work in the past few games?  Or is your argument here that because I am playing differently I am scum?  

and while it looks good on the surface, at the end that little comment about playing different because he is scum looks like prep to misrep/argue against that argument if it pops up. All in all not liking you friend.

 

Yes, it is WIFOM.  So is my alignment.  Also, everyone except your own unless you are scum.  That's the point of the game and the point of the discussion we had.  

 

 

then again the last time I thought you were making sense was VS Hunt III, but you got LOLganAura'd

 

Can't we just make this an easy world where I can read Smart!Darthe as mafia and Full!Darthe as town? Can't you make ANYTHING EASY

 

Nope.  Multifaceted like that.  However, I am obviously town here.  Willing to stick my neck out, taking on Tommy early, checking everyone for BS.  

 

Dont like this. I dont like it when people extol their own virtues of "Im town cause I did this." Its on the same level as people who say "When im scum I do this!" or "Town me always does this.". Its like instead of just saying "Im town." he feels the need to explain why hes town, which generally people shouldnt need to do imo.

 

Then why did you have no issue with Tommy doing it here or with the #alliance doing it in the half dozen other games you've been in with them?  I've never seen this argument from you despite KNOWING you've come into contact with this sort of play so it is fake.  

 

Kaylee is back to doing that IIOA thing she does as scum.

Whats IIOA and why is that a scumtell for her?

 

IIOA is information instead of analysis and Kaylee has been doing it consistently since I started playing here.  It's my main tell on her because every time I have caught her doing it guess what she flipped.  This is a universal tell people, just google it.

 

Nyn you have an oddly aggressive tone here. Why?

 

Lol. Nyn is always aggresive in mafia games. You trying to discredit her for it is weaksauce.

 

Discredit?  That assumes my post from a mafia perspective before assessing it.  Or it is a push.  Neither do I like.  Feeling some Deja Vu here.

 

 

Dont brush it off. Ive known you for almost two years. You arent generally like this.

 

Who's brushing it off?  Of the two of us, I'm the one who's answering questions when asked.

 

I don't mean to brag, but I'm doing it in a timely manner as well :D

 

 

 

Nyn

 

 

Nyn is awesome and so won that back and forth. Nyn town, Darthe scum. Boom, as Des would say.

 

I hate when people say dumb things like this.  This isn't about Nyn vs. me, it is town vs mafia.  Trying to make it so that it is between us is really bad and is a universal tell though it doesn't have a name.

Responses to this are in the post because it would be too unruly otherwise.  They are bold.  Please note that none of my posts were consecutive.

 

Why are people ignoring my questions and commentary about Darthe's argumentative approach being weird?

 

Mish: I have no recollection what you're like as mafia, sorry. I don't remember being in a game where you were mafia.

Probably because it isn't weird in the slightest.

 

She didn't say anything about Cory, except that Darthe was reading Cory (and Kaylee) as slight town.  Nyn also attributed this read to Darthe's meta on Kaylee, while his statement suggests that his meta actually lessens the read ("I have issues with Kayleee"). 

 

What she asked was about Darthe's read on me, which Darthe answered. 

 

Pretend I don't know what tone is.  Actually, pretend I think it's a stupid way of forming reads and is an easily manipulated system that allows scum to bullshit reads without ever getting called to form a well-formed justification.  What about his tone doesn't feel good?

 

 

Thank you for being both impartial and intelligent.  

 

Now, to kill scum.  ##unvote vote Mish

[michellem]

Darthe, you have added things into that quote of mine that I have never said.

 

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/87151-basic-blood-moon-mafia-game-over/?hl=%20blood%20%20moon

Woo yeah I forgot that game. What should I get out of this? That you're good at being scum? Bad at it? Just walk me through it lol I'm tired

 

 

I dunno, you asked about what I was like as scum, like you'd never seen me as mafia. Well you have, there it is, take from it whatever you want.

[Darthe]

Darthe, you have added things into that quote of mine that I have never said.

 

 

 

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/87151-basic-blood-moon-mafia-game-over/?hl=%20blood%20%20moon

Woo yeah I forgot that game. What should I get out of this? That you're good at being scum? Bad at it? Just walk me through it lol I'm tired

 

 

I dunno, you asked about what I was like as scum, like you'd never seen me as mafia. Well you have, there it is, take from it whatever you want.

 

Yes, they are my responses.  

[michellem]

*rolls eyes*

 

I mean, there are quotes in there, with comments, and then your replies, that never was in my original quote. It does not make you look good in the slightest that you're trying to make it seem like I have said things I haven't.

[Tommyrod]

Wat?

[Darthe]

Okay, just reviewed and two of those were from Len's post about me which I accidentally spliced into hers because she quoted it.  That is my fault.  Here are the points that Mish made.

[Darthe]

*rolls eyes*

 

I mean, there are quotes in there, with comments, and then your replies, that never was in my original quote. It does not make you look good in the slightest that you're trying to make it seem like I have said things I haven't.

Jesus you make something out of everything don't you.  If you want to see me as permascum then do it and I'll stop wasting my time on you.

[Darthe]

Also, ##unvote vote Len

[Tommyrod]

Why are you voting for Len now and not Mish what's happening help

[Darthe]

With that I am out for a little bit.  I'm just getting irked with the stubbornness and immense level of foolishness going on here and it can't be productive.  Los cientos to those who were attempting to talk.

[Tommyrod]

Darthe how much did you guys laugh when Yates died

[amegakure]

@Kaylee i'm pretty sure tommy is town but its to early to tell for certain. I want to see where he pushes today and tomorrow. 

 

@even though kaylee is paranoid and reading into things that weren't there she seems to be making a sold effort in understanding whats going on with more than just me. With cory's play id put them as solid town.

 

Len and mish look like they are playing off of each other and they dont have much to go on. Yes i did post on purpose to irk cory i even said what i was doing right afterwards. He was being a meany! :)

 

Darthe's last few post seem to show some genuine frustration and he has some solid points. @Tommy do you still have a scum read on darthe? mine is wavering to null/town

 

Also lets take a look back at mish's post. Out of everything that happened and their wasn't alot but a few things the only thing GAME CONTENT ORIENTATED she could mention was my troll post. This is odd. Lenlo also piggy backs this reasoning.

 

##vote Mish