[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[Tommyrod]

##Vote Mynd

[Myndrunner]

Your "hydra theory" can't be "founded in logic and probability."

 

Here's your hydra theory, reworked: players whose usernames begin with the first half of the alphabet (A-M) are important to focus on because the second half of the alphabet is more trustworthy (everyone knows that).

 

So let's solely focus on these players today:

 

Crayjay (Cory/Andrej)

Dawn

Dice

Halleeloujah (Leelou/Hally)

Jack

Krak

Lenlo

MegaLoud (Amega/Cloud)

Mynd

 

And not consider anyone else, because logic and probability.

 

I did that actually once in a game.  I bluffed that I had found that a scum player had a first name that began with A.  At the time, we had several players in the mafia queue that fit that description.

 

Guess what?  IT WORKED!  We won!  The town won and caused such a WTF in the Mafia thread, it made them second guess themselves.  They believed it. 

[Tommyrod]

So you advocate chance over analytical or at the very least tone based scumhunting?

[Nynaeve]

My take is that the mafia targeted Nolder based on DesBat's scum list.  Guess who is second on that list?  Me.  I'll bet Desbat was part of the scum team, took out Nolder counting on a speed lynch on myself on D2. 

 

 

You know better than this. It seriously sounds nothing like you.

 

 

##Vote Mynd

 

 

 

Nyn

[Yates]

It's like... I *almost* want to lynch Mynd just to silence his voice. [i mean - that "I guess that means Desbat was Town?" thing was so derptastic I literally bought a ticket to the zoo just to punch a baby monkey in the face] But at the same time, his logic is SOOO garbage I can't believe his scum team would let him get away with it??

 

*sigh*

 

Why can't everyone play mafia like they want the world to make sense?

[Myndrunner]

So you advocate chance over analytical or at the very least tone based scumhunting?

 

It worked.  It could have been disastrous if the off chance that no one with an A in their name was scum, but the odds were in my favor.

 

But my hydra theory doesn't work on that assumption alone.  Someone with the letter A in their name doesn't give the mafia an added advantage over someone with a Z.  They hydras give the mafia an extra voice in the game thread, regardless of how you spin it, its the truth. 

 

Hydras would only help the town if we all knew who was town and who wasn't.  Mafia have an extra voice with an extra living person in one slot.  Remember, that the whole team has access to the Mafia QT.  Five mafia slots with, say, seven mouthpieces?  That's quite a bit.  With two townies dead (maybe a third). They could have as many as seven people ready to spin whatever they need in any way they like.  Of course, not all of them will be saying the same thing or even taking the same tone, but they can all eventually lead everyone else towards the same common goal.

 

Hydras on the mafia team give them an added advantage.  Plain and simple. 

 

Dovetail that with narrowing down the list of players to focus on, and then you have what I am trying to say.   If we assume that DesBat was the mafia kill, and assuming that Yates is telling the truth with his VIG claim (which is likely true but not certain), then that leaves us with five hydras to look at. 

 

Among those hydras left, who would you say is most likely scum based on what has gone down since D1? 

[Tommyrod]

If you insist on focusing on hydras, Amega (of MegaLoud) caught my eye the most. Cloud appears to be normal, but Amega looked like he was struggling. His vote on me was so bad that it looked like Cloud came in and changed it because he was embarrassed. Does this make him scum... I'm not sure. I want to see more from Cloud since I assume Amega will be the dead weight in that relationship. None of the remaining hydras did anything to make me suspicious of them, which makes me more skeptical of your unnecessary tunnelvision.

[Tommyrod]

If DesBat was the NK, then you are trying to story-tell the mafia night kill.  You are also justifying why both of you are alive before anyone else asked this question.  Very interesting....you are asking us to assume quite a bit yet my hydra theory, founded in logic and probability, is somehow alien and strange. 

 

You are also asking us to assume that DesBat was town despite his coroner, and yet Cory asks us to PAFO on why there is no coroner.

Gonna need more explanation of where you were going with this or how you thought this post was helpful for gamesolving. What is "story-telling" the NK? Why were you trying to spread doubt about DesBat being town?

[Myndrunner]

It's like... I *almost* want to lynch Mynd just to silence his voice. [i mean - that "I guess that means Desbat was Town?" thing was so derptastic I literally bought a ticket to the zoo just to punch a baby monkey in the face] But at the same time, his logic is SOOO garbage I can't believe his scum team would let him get away with it??

 

*sigh*

 

Why can't everyone play mafia like they want the world to make sense?

 

Really.  I'll bet your parents will hug you if you ask them to.  Go ahead and try it.  It might make you feel better.

 

Chipping away the faux teen angst rotting that post above, let me respond to the part that actually pertains to game play.  You all are asking for us to assume the following:

 

1) Yates claim to be a VIG (after claiming VT) is truth.  Its likely because few would contest a VIG claim however that is what makes it easy for scum to fake claim.

2)  Desbat was town.  We don't know this. 

3) There is a janitor.  Cory said that we must PAFO.  There are countless possibilities and yet we are to directly assume that there was a janitor.

 

Now, just like I was saying before, the "speed lynch Mynd" train is beginning.

 

Here is another possible assumption. 

 

1) Nolder was the NK.

2) DesBat is scum and was killed by a VIG who was correct in his/her read.

3) The reason there isn't a coroner report is because that is part of the game mechanic for that particular VIG kill.

 

I don't believe these above, but it doesn't make them any less possible than what you are asking us to assume.

[Myndrunner]

 

If DesBat was the NK, then you are trying to story-tell the mafia night kill.  You are also justifying why both of you are alive before anyone else asked this question.  Very interesting....you are asking us to assume quite a bit yet my hydra theory, founded in logic and probability, is somehow alien and strange. 

 

You are also asking us to assume that DesBat was town despite his coroner, and yet Cory asks us to PAFO on why there is no coroner.

Gonna need more explanation of where you were going with this or how you thought this post was helpful for gamesolving. What is "story-telling" the NK? Why were you trying to spread doubt about DesBat being town?

 

 

Storytelling the NK is what scum do to spin what happened to push what the scum want the town to think.   Two players die and the scum post things like "Well, obviously he was night killed because.....X and the other must be a VIG kill because......Y"  Its a way for the scum to try and get everyone buying into the agenda before anyone else has a chance to analyze it.  Especially when something surprises them.

[Myndrunner]

If you insist on focusing on hydras, Amega (of MegaLoud) caught my eye the most. Cloud appears to be normal, but Amega looked like he was struggling. His vote on me was so bad that it looked like Cloud came in and changed it because he was embarrassed. Does this make him scum... I'm not sure. I want to see more from Cloud since I assume Amega will be the dead weight in that relationship. None of the remaining hydras did anything to make me suspicious of them, which makes me more skeptical of your unnecessary tunnelvision.

 

What do you call analyzing the people who voted to lynch player A who flipped town?  Isn't that narrowing down the list based on what you know? 

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

If DesBat was the NK, then you are trying to story-tell the mafia night kill.  You are also justifying why both of you are alive before anyone else asked this question.  Very interesting....you are asking us to assume quite a bit yet my hydra theory, founded in logic and probability, is somehow alien and strange. 

 

You are also asking us to assume that DesBat was town despite his coroner, and yet Cory asks us to PAFO on why there is no coroner.

Gonna need more explanation of where you were going with this or how you thought this post was helpful for gamesolving. What is "story-telling" the NK? Why were you trying to spread doubt about DesBat being town?

 

 

Storytelling the NK is what scum do to spin what happened to push what the scum want the town to think.   Two players die and the scum post things like "Well, obviously he was night killed because.....X and the other must be a VIG kill because......Y"  Its a way for the scum to try and get everyone buying into the agenda before anyone else has a chance to analyze it.  Especially when something surprises them.

 

 

Sort of like saying the flavor of Nolder's kill implies he was the Mafia hit...?

[Myndrunner]

 

 

 

If DesBat was the NK, then you are trying to story-tell the mafia night kill.  You are also justifying why both of you are alive before anyone else asked this question.  Very interesting....you are asking us to assume quite a bit yet my hydra theory, founded in logic and probability, is somehow alien and strange. 

 

You are also asking us to assume that DesBat was town despite his coroner, and yet Cory asks us to PAFO on why there is no coroner.

Gonna need more explanation of where you were going with this or how you thought this post was helpful for gamesolving. What is "story-telling" the NK? Why were you trying to spread doubt about DesBat being town?

 

 

Storytelling the NK is what scum do to spin what happened to push what the scum want the town to think.   Two players die and the scum post things like "Well, obviously he was night killed because.....X and the other must be a VIG kill because......Y"  Its a way for the scum to try and get everyone buying into the agenda before anyone else has a chance to analyze it.  Especially when something surprises them.

 

 

Sort of like saying the flavor of Nolder's kill implies he was the Mafia hit...?

 

 

Let's ask the Mod....

 

 

Scenes are also going to be written.  They may or may not mean anything.

This is an advanced game, not an experimental game.  Keep that in mind.

 

Am I to assume then that his scenes absolutely will NOT mean anything?

[Hallia]

Home from Disney, catching up!

[Tommyrod]

okay Yates. and without quotes or anything, just notes.

 

1. Mistress (Mish/Tress) - my raptor meme on Mish was just a poke fun joke, Mynd's initial push on Mish was intended to be a game starter not really pressure Mish.  her reaction was scummy, hence my Newman me.  aside from Mynd and myself, others commented on this as well.  at this point i saw Mynd was taking lead in the Mish push and backed off.  partly because mynd does better at beating the grass than myself (i defer to his experience in the matter and didn't want to muck up what he was doing), partly because i didn't want to be linked to him, partly for Mish's sanity (two bull dogs on a beat the grass campaign = bad mojo)

 

the most pinging things on Mishtress case is her shifting focus to Tress, and then Tress trying to paint Womby as a Dawn defender.  it was damage control + misdirection imo.  its also noticable that Mish has stepped back and let Tress take lead for the most part.  this action can go both ways, but is still note worthy.

 

 

2. Desbat (Wombat/Des) - Womby is playing more like Despo and Despo is straight up not playing.  this pings on a gut level.  active Womby in D1 is strange and a quiet Despo gets my nerves on end.  Wombys vote on me was a null tell though.  he never pushed my wagon and to me the vote read as an attention game starter (basically a Despo move) as well as trying to get me to start playign the game to get a read on me.

 

3. Nol - is more interested in off topic convo (like hybrid mechanics) and isn't scum hunting at all. this is pinging, but as for a list and because this is all thats pinging well theres no case yet.  worth noting for when he does sart playing as ammo in a future case.  his atching onto Mynds suggestion of lynchign Hybrids is note worthy

 

4. Krak - is also just straight up not playing.  null on him

 

5. MegaLoud (Amega/Cloud) - Cloud is mostly being the speaking peice for them and so far theres nothign really overtly scummy abotu him.  null on him for now

 

6. Crayjay (Cory/Andrej) - pinged for how defensive they got over a vote on Tom, and how hard they worked to pressure me to move my vote.  crappy voting reason aside, they started this push before i said why i was keeping my vote there.  this reaction caused me to stay put (that and i wont have my vote bullied off a person just because he's their friend and i dont like to vote hop a lot when the game actually starts).  Cory did not as far as casing me, just tried to insult me off his friends wagon.  AJ took lead on applying the direct pressure.  at first his casing was solid and possibly townish ... but then he started trying to set the lynch up on me and trap me so that no matter how i moved he could continue a case on me.  he also tried to drag back up the distraction convo of discussing what tom meant by Goat. i disliked this and decided to get obstinate at him.  he then tried to spilt his focus at one point by starting up with you (Yates) regaurding your claim.  possibly to continue the push against you after i flip, or possibly becuase he saw i made a good point (though i doubt the latter as he didn't chime in wiht Mynd when he saw Mynd made a good point on Mish)

 

7. Lenlo - is lurking ...  needs pressure

 

8. X - has solid posts so far, but most of what he says is just backing up others rather than anything new.  i'd be watching him to see how he acts ate on

 

9. Dawn - her vote on me was nothing more than a wagon vote desgiused as a "joke vote".  yeah omby pointed out she's only been scum in games, but playing as scum means you ACT TOWN.  this is not a town act, hence his point is moot.  she shoudl be pressured more about this imo.

 

10. Jack - pings hardcore.  he's quiet.  a quiet pete is a scummy pete.  and the first game related thing he does ... links me with AJ and buddies up to Mynd.  do not like.

 

11. Princess Verbalina of Kindelbury (Verb/Tina) - both are quiet, for Verb this is Null.  for Tina  idk.  i have played with her in a few games but really meta isn't only good for a baseline judgement if more pressure shoudl be applied or if a person diserves closer watching.  game wise, i hve a null on both.  i would liek them to both not lurk though, considering how much clout they have as players.

 

12. Halleeloujah (Leelou/Hally) - same as Verbalinia, minus the clout for Halia (Leelou gets clout though *nods*)  Leelou is always a null tell for me, cause she policy lynches me when she can and hasn't posted yet.  her vote reason is solid imo,so null on them.

 

13. Dice - another thats striaght up not playing

 

14. Zanube - and another, whose only posts have been in response to spam (though get better if you are sick)

 

16. Nyankat (Nyn/Kat) - nyn is being nyn, kat is non existant.  null on them

 

17. Mynd - was pining as town first ... but then he started to flip his stance on Mish and myself, giving himself a back way off the mishtress train and starting to FoS me, after defending me btw.  smells liek giving himself an opportunity to train hop without looking scummy.  i'm also unsure about his push on the hybrids ...  it depends on what he's implying really.  if he's tryign to get us to poliicy lynch them JIC one or two are scum, then major ping and FoS his way.

 

18. Tommy - is trying to continue the spam, half heartedly scum hunting (whcih is mostly parroting others words) and is trying to drag me back into a convo that i feel is mostly aimed at causeing a 3rd distraction discussion.  even goign as far as tryign to bait and goad and taunt me back into it.  he also let AJ defend him when i was voting him, instead of defending himself.  i dont like this and he pings

 

19. Yates - twists words better than an Aes Sedia imo  is a very good debater and a very good player, you remind me of Verb's play style.  i greatly dislike the claim, not the fact its VT, but that the claim came with no pressure at all and sets up way too much WIFOM.  i also dislike how the discussion turned in this when i persued it, which is from the reveal itself to debating moot points (liek what a VT role is and how to scum hunt).  theres also that NK comment that just doesn't sit well with me .... as well as the remakr to Mynd about "Town Reds scum hunting".  yeah you provided an explaination to which i have yet to respond (and in this post tried to continue the off topic discussion of the nilla role btw) but you make my gut scream to have you lynched. 

 

I really love this list. Here it is, translated:

 

Red's town leans:

NONE?

 

Red's nulls:

Mistress

Krak

MegaLoud

Dawn

Verbalina

Halleeloujah

Dice

Zanube

Nyankat

X

 

Red's scum leans:

DesBat

Nolder

CrayJay

Lenlo

Jack

Mynd

Tommy

Yates

 

[Tommyrod]

 

 

If DesBat was the NK, then you are trying to story-tell the mafia night kill.  You are also justifying why both of you are alive before anyone else asked this question.  Very interesting....you are asking us to assume quite a bit yet my hydra theory, founded in logic and probability, is somehow alien and strange. 

 

You are also asking us to assume that DesBat was town despite his coroner, and yet Cory asks us to PAFO on why there is no coroner.

Gonna need more explanation of where you were going with this or how you thought this post was helpful for gamesolving. What is "story-telling" the NK? Why were you trying to spread doubt about DesBat being town?

 

 

Storytelling the NK is what scum do to spin what happened to push what the scum want the town to think.   Two players die and the scum post things like "Well, obviously he was night killed because.....X and the other must be a VIG kill because......Y"  Its a way for the scum to try and get everyone buying into the agenda before anyone else has a chance to analyze it.  Especially when something surprises them.

 

 

Just to be crystal clear: you mean exactly what you were doing after the N1 writeup?

[Myndrunner]

 

okay Yates. and without quotes or anything, just notes.

 

1. Mistress (Mish/Tress) - my raptor meme on Mish was just a poke fun joke, Mynd's initial push on Mish was intended to be a game starter not really pressure Mish.  her reaction was scummy, hence my Newman me.  aside from Mynd and myself, others commented on this as well.  at this point i saw Mynd was taking lead in the Mish push and backed off.  partly because mynd does better at beating the grass than myself (i defer to his experience in the matter and didn't want to muck up what he was doing), partly because i didn't want to be linked to him, partly for Mish's sanity (two bull dogs on a beat the grass campaign = bad mojo)

 

the most pinging things on Mishtress case is her shifting focus to Tress, and then Tress trying to paint Womby as a Dawn defender.  it was damage control + misdirection imo.  its also noticable that Mish has stepped back and let Tress take lead for the most part.  this action can go both ways, but is still note worthy.

 

 

2. Desbat (Wombat/Des) - Womby is playing more like Despo and Despo is straight up not playing.  this pings on a gut level.  active Womby in D1 is strange and a quiet Despo gets my nerves on end.  Wombys vote on me was a null tell though.  he never pushed my wagon and to me the vote read as an attention game starter (basically a Despo move) as well as trying to get me to start playign the game to get a read on me.

 

3. Nol - is more interested in off topic convo (like hybrid mechanics) and isn't scum hunting at all. this is pinging, but as for a list and because this is all thats pinging well theres no case yet.  worth noting for when he does sart playing as ammo in a future case.  his atching onto Mynds suggestion of lynchign Hybrids is note worthy

 

4. Krak - is also just straight up not playing.  null on him

 

5. MegaLoud (Amega/Cloud) - Cloud is mostly being the speaking peice for them and so far theres nothign really overtly scummy abotu him.  null on him for now

 

6. Crayjay (Cory/Andrej) - pinged for how defensive they got over a vote on Tom, and how hard they worked to pressure me to move my vote.  crappy voting reason aside, they started this push before i said why i was keeping my vote there.  this reaction caused me to stay put (that and i wont have my vote bullied off a person just because he's their friend and i dont like to vote hop a lot when the game actually starts).  Cory did not as far as casing me, just tried to insult me off his friends wagon.  AJ took lead on applying the direct pressure.  at first his casing was solid and possibly townish ... but then he started trying to set the lynch up on me and trap me so that no matter how i moved he could continue a case on me.  he also tried to drag back up the distraction convo of discussing what tom meant by Goat. i disliked this and decided to get obstinate at him.  he then tried to spilt his focus at one point by starting up with you (Yates) regaurding your claim.  possibly to continue the push against you after i flip, or possibly becuase he saw i made a good point (though i doubt the latter as he didn't chime in wiht Mynd when he saw Mynd made a good point on Mish)

 

7. Lenlo - is lurking ...  needs pressure

 

8. X - has solid posts so far, but most of what he says is just backing up others rather than anything new.  i'd be watching him to see how he acts ate on

 

9. Dawn - her vote on me was nothing more than a wagon vote desgiused as a "joke vote".  yeah omby pointed out she's only been scum in games, but playing as scum means you ACT TOWN.  this is not a town act, hence his point is moot.  she shoudl be pressured more about this imo.

 

10. Jack - pings hardcore.  he's quiet.  a quiet pete is a scummy pete.  and the first game related thing he does ... links me with AJ and buddies up to Mynd.  do not like.

 

11. Princess Verbalina of Kindelbury (Verb/Tina) - both are quiet, for Verb this is Null.  for Tina  idk.  i have played with her in a few games but really meta isn't only good for a baseline judgement if more pressure shoudl be applied or if a person diserves closer watching.  game wise, i hve a null on both.  i would liek them to both not lurk though, considering how much clout they have as players.

 

12. Halleeloujah (Leelou/Hally) - same as Verbalinia, minus the clout for Halia (Leelou gets clout though *nods*)  Leelou is always a null tell for me, cause she policy lynches me when she can and hasn't posted yet.  her vote reason is solid imo,so null on them.

 

13. Dice - another thats striaght up not playing

 

14. Zanube - and another, whose only posts have been in response to spam (though get better if you are sick)

 

16. Nyankat (Nyn/Kat) - nyn is being nyn, kat is non existant.  null on them

 

17. Mynd - was pining as town first ... but then he started to flip his stance on Mish and myself, giving himself a back way off the mishtress train and starting to FoS me, after defending me btw.  smells liek giving himself an opportunity to train hop without looking scummy.  i'm also unsure about his push on the hybrids ...  it depends on what he's implying really.  if he's tryign to get us to poliicy lynch them JIC one or two are scum, then major ping and FoS his way.

 

18. Tommy - is trying to continue the spam, half heartedly scum hunting (whcih is mostly parroting others words) and is trying to drag me back into a convo that i feel is mostly aimed at causeing a 3rd distraction discussion.  even goign as far as tryign to bait and goad and taunt me back into it.  he also let AJ defend him when i was voting him, instead of defending himself.  i dont like this and he pings

 

19. Yates - twists words better than an Aes Sedia imo  is a very good debater and a very good player, you remind me of Verb's play style.  i greatly dislike the claim, not the fact its VT, but that the claim came with no pressure at all and sets up way too much WIFOM.  i also dislike how the discussion turned in this when i persued it, which is from the reveal itself to debating moot points (liek what a VT role is and how to scum hunt).  theres also that NK comment that just doesn't sit well with me .... as well as the remakr to Mynd about "Town Reds scum hunting".  yeah you provided an explaination to which i have yet to respond (and in this post tried to continue the off topic discussion of the nilla role btw) but you make my gut scream to have you lynched. 

 

I really love this list. Here it is, translated:

 

Red's town leans:

NONE?

 

Red's nulls:

Mistress

Krak

MegaLoud

Dawn

Verbalina

Halleeloujah

Dice

Zanube

Nyankat

X

 

Red's scum leans:

DesBat

Nolder

CrayJay

Lenlo

Jack

Mynd

Tommy

Yates

 

 

 

Why are you now back focusing on a player who is most likely town?  A claimed player who was nearly the D1 lynch? 

[Cory Caboose]

Tommy

 

manly tears for us

[Myndrunner]

 

 

 

If DesBat was the NK, then you are trying to story-tell the mafia night kill.  You are also justifying why both of you are alive before anyone else asked this question.  Very interesting....you are asking us to assume quite a bit yet my hydra theory, founded in logic and probability, is somehow alien and strange. 

 

You are also asking us to assume that DesBat was town despite his coroner, and yet Cory asks us to PAFO on why there is no coroner.

Gonna need more explanation of where you were going with this or how you thought this post was helpful for gamesolving. What is "story-telling" the NK? Why were you trying to spread doubt about DesBat being town?

 

 

Storytelling the NK is what scum do to spin what happened to push what the scum want the town to think.   Two players die and the scum post things like "Well, obviously he was night killed because.....X and the other must be a VIG kill because......Y"  Its a way for the scum to try and get everyone buying into the agenda before anyone else has a chance to analyze it.  Especially when something surprises them.

 

 

Just to be crystal clear: you mean exactly what you were doing after the N1 writeup?

 

 

What are you talking about?

[Tommyrod]

I can't handle this. Goodbye.

[Yates]

You all are asking for us to assume the following:

 

1) Yates claim to be a VIG (after claiming VT) is truth.  Its likely because few would contest a VIG claim however that is what makes it easy for scum to fake claim.

2)  Desbat was town.  We don't know this. 

3) There is a janitor.

1. Let's say I'm scum fake claiming vig. How does tonight work out for me? Oh right. The REAL vig shoots me in the face. Maybe not such a great fake claim for scum after all, is it? You know who fakeclaims vig? SK. That's it. Does that look like an SK kill to you?

2. Desbat was Town. We *do* know this. Unless you think mafia killed one of their own for... lulz?

3. There *is* a janitor. That's the only game mechanic that results in a zero info flip.

 

I'm about three seconds away from advocating a policy lynch on you because now your posts are anti-Town distractions. Or, I can just shoot you tonight. Your call. Either way, I'll be fine. I'm *certain* Red will be protecting me tonight to prove she's Town, right?

[Myndrunner]

 

You all are asking for us to assume the following:

 

1) Yates claim to be a VIG (after claiming VT) is truth.  Its likely because few would contest a VIG claim however that is what makes it easy for scum to fake claim.

2)  Desbat was town.  We don't know this. 

3) There is a janitor.

1. Let's say I'm scum fake claiming vig. How does tonight work out for me? Oh right. The REAL vig shoots me in the face. Maybe not such a great fake claim for scum after all, is it? You know who fakeclaims vig? SK. That's it. Does that look like an SK kill to you?

2. Desbat was Town. We *do* know this. Unless you think mafia killed one of their own for... lulz?

3. There *is* a janitor. That's the only game mechanic that results in a zero info flip.

 

I'm about three seconds away from advocating a policy lynch on you because now your posts are anti-Town distractions. Or, I can just shoot you tonight. Your call. Either way, I'll be fine. I'm *certain* Red will be protecting me tonight to prove she's Town, right?

 

 

Someone who hides in the shadows?  Yes. 

 

We don't know this.

 

It is not the only game mechanic possible. 

 

The funny thing is....you are advocating a "policy" lynch because you know I will flip town. 

 

Everyone, it is simple.  If you don't agree with what I am saying, then just don't agree.  Why do you have to get so upset about what I have to say....unless I'm hitting closer to the mark than you like. 

 

You don't agree with my take on the hydras? fine.  Do your own casing as you like.  

 

You think my assessment of the N1 deaths are wrong, fine. 

 

But don't call scum (or the all too convenient "policy lynch") on someone just because they don't agree with you.  The overreactions of Cory, Tommy, and Yates this day are baffling to me.  A few barbs here and there, and it's just normal townie ribbing.  The extent that these three have gone to go so overboard with their reactions leads me to believe that either they are wayyyyyyyy to obsessed with mafia or I've spoiled some plan of theirs.

 

All I have done is present a way to look at the game that is different from others.  Agree or disagree, that is all I have done.  Unlike some others here, I am not calling "DERP" on anyone who disagrees with me.  I am baffled as to the extent that some are taking this game, almost too personally it seems. 

 

The only way that I see my posts as distracting is because they differ from those who want to shove their agenda down your throats.  I'm sorry that I see things differently, but that doesn't mean it's not without wisdom.  Just because you fail or refuse to see it doesn't make it dumb or, better yet, worthy of wrath. 

 

So, if you don't like what I have posted so far.....allow me to start over with this:

 

I'm Edmure Tully.  I am town.  Vanilla.  I believe Red is town.  I actually believe Yates, but dude needs to calm down.  It is most likely that Desbat was town.  The janitor role does make sense.  I also suspected Nolder of being scum and I am not that surprised Yates chose him over me.  That is all that needs to be said.  Throwing spite behind it does nothing to help the town.  Having alternative views does.  That is all that I have presented.  An alternative view. 

 

A question that is bothering me though about Yates.

 

Why would you claim Vig now?  Despite your ramblings about roles, why did you come forward today?  What pro-town purpose does it serve to come forward? 

[Andrej]

Yates - you tricky SOB, you

 

Yeah, not mad at the Nolder shot. Consensus scum read + N1 death = good stuff and not a wasted Day casing/lynching him.

 

Mynd, if you actually are town you should probably drop these wild theories and look at the game from a more realistic angle. Why you want to focus solely on the hydras on the wagons from D1 instead of EVERYONE on them still baffles me. I also find it curious that you continue mentioning 2 of 7 specifically. You are essentially just spewing WIFOM all over the place, which isn't a good look. I am perfectly happy with my other head's vote on you atm.

 

Since you are so hard-up gunning for the hydras though, perhaps you can explain why you think HalLee and VerbHel are the most likely scum candidates out of the remaining 5?

 

Desbat were obvtown btw. Not sure why they got janitored though, I think their alignment was pretty apparent and as scum I wouldn't waste an x-shot ability like that unless they have a perma-janitor of sorts. My best guess is that they learn who/what role their target has to help in later phases when claims start to become more prominent. Plus their already assigned fake claims. SMH @ Darthe

 

For today I think we should focus some scrutiny in the direction of Tina/Verb as well as some of the other late hoppers onto the Red/Mish wagons.

 

Krak comes to mind.

[Andrej]

Mynd - Not answering for Yates, but his claim made sense considering how you were speculating that Nolder as the NK and Desbat as a Vig shot with no coroner. He vetted himself and also helped to clear up the uncertainty around the 2 deaths, which there shouldn't really have been any in the first place.

[Andrej]

EWBOP: It isn't just that you are suggesting different or other possibilities. It is that you are suggesting things that are so FAR OUT that it stretches credibility that they would come from a townie POV. It's nothing personal, but you are serving as a big distraction IMO.