[Advanced] Red Wedding Mafia - Post Game, MakersMark

[Andrej]

We aren't ashamed of our relationship Len.

 

Hydra and proud.

 

Just realized Dice still has his joke vote parked on Crayjay after town reading us later. Sketchy.

[Darthe]

Pretty sure I unvote anbd voted Red but 

 

##unvote Mish vote Red

If you do notice any errors please quote them or link them to me so that I can confirm.  I go through by ctrl + f'ing ## so they could be improperly formatted though I do make mistakes.  

 

[Lenlo]

Lenlo how do you feel about Nolder ATM?

Null atm. Like ive paid attention to his posts and some are towny some are scummy and it leaves me undecided or null.

[Lenlo]

No biggy Darthe. Figured id just revote instead of all that extra stuff. Either way my vote gets to where it should :P

 

We aren't ashamed of our relationship Len.

Hydra and proud.
 

Im so alone ;_;

[Cory Caboose]

We aren't ashamed of our relationship Len.

 

Hydra and proud.

 

Just realized Dice still has his joke vote parked on Crayjay after town reading us later. Sketchy.

 

The reasoning for Dice's joke vote is that I told him in the lastgame I soulread him town (from my Lovers QT with BLFG) due to his willingness to go @ me early, which is generally dangerous and especially dangerous.

 

It's been 57 pages though - what is clearly a joke needs to be a more substantive stance.

[Nolder]

Nolfish - you realize Cory and I are one, right?

Is there a reason I should care?

[Cory Caboose]

 

Lenlo how do you feel about Nolder ATM?

Null atm. Like ive paid attention to his posts and some are towny some are scummy and it leaves me undecided or null.

 

Can you please find a good example of what you believe is a towny and a scummy post by Nolder so far this game? Multiples would be better.

[Lenlo]

 

 

Lenlo how do you feel about Nolder ATM?

Null atm. Like ive paid attention to his posts and some are towny some are scummy and it leaves me undecided or null.

 

Can you please find a good example of what you believe is a towny and a scummy post by Nolder so far this game? Multiples would be better.

 

Ill do it in the morning. Im going to sleep now so either get out from under the bed or pay rent you bum.

[Red2111]

cory - i dont get your point, responding is communicating.  its not like i can send you smoke signals or tap out morse code to ya.

 

Len - you have to add the ## to both the unvote and the revote

[Lenlo]

cory - i dont get your point, responding is communicating.  its not like i can send you smoke signals or tap out morse code to ya.

 

Len - you have to add the ## to both the unvote and the revote

Well thank you. 

 

Just to make sure ##unvote ## vote Red

 

<3

[Cory Caboose]

 

 

Nolfish - you realize Cory and I are one, right?

Is there a reason I should care?

 

 

 

 

 

I'll spell it out for you Mynd.

 

I haven't checked the game all day. Decided to catch up before going to bed. Saw it had twelve pages, wasn't exactly looking forward to going through that while tired. Jumped to the last page to check the mood of thread. Was happy it was still jokes, no need for serious brain activity before bedtime. Decided to post picture I just saw in my tmblr feed. Capiche?

 

 

And it's just Mish, or Mistress if you prefer

 

so let me get this striaght.

 

you didn't do the blue, instead only doign the green and assumed the red because of one page

 

 

Another strangely interesting post here from Red. Adds to the pressure on Mish, goes as far as to make a meme calling her mafia, but still has her vote on Tommy for some weird reason.

 

That's a decent point, I can follow this.

 

##Vote Red

 

 

I do not know how you have handled AJ/me 22 on, but the origin of your FOS @ Red comes from you sheeping an AJ point

 

Despite this, you are gunning @ Red hard.

[Nolder]

how is this way of responding then.  just a blue colored number.

I just...I don't know why you can't make normal quotes.

Anyway I guess a little bit?

 

point 2 - really o.0  huh, it didn't seem that way in the series.  but then i've only read the books once and that was before HBO started the series.  if this is the case  http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Roslin_Frey   i'll be damned, ur right.  that character claim imo is only a few steps below claiming Walder Frey himself, but if Tress is scum why not use the fake claims.  the WIFOM on this claim hurts my head right now.

Yeah I didn't realize it either.

I guess it wasn't clear what she knew.

 

point 3 - the last few games i've played with you about a year ago you had gotten much better at tunneling.  you'd still tunnel on people yes, just like i'd still bulldog.  but you'd learned to multi task and split the tunnel onto different people.  thats why this tunneling pings, because your not splitting your focus.

It's hard to focus on anything with so many people.

Could be why I've got tunnel vision right now.

Really I am growing to dislike bigger games more and more.

15-18 seems about tops for games that I like. More than that and I usually just hang around until the crowd thins.

Which is weird because I used to do big games just fine. I dunno I guess I don't have that kind of focus anymore.

 

 

One thing I'm really surprised about in the opposition to Red's lynch is everyone opposite seems to think she's town.

There's 5 teams of mafia that we know of, are the odds really in favor of her being town this game?

Think about it.

 

 

no, that is not whatt he OP says.  the OP says "This game is mafia versus town.  There are five mafia.  They have safe claims.  They win by outnumbering the town.  Town wins by eliminating all mafia.  There is no tomfoolery in this game."

 

it doesn't say 5 mafia teams, it says 5 Mafia.  ie: theres 5 peopel who are aligned with the mafia.  he also says theres no toomfoolery and that this is an advanced game not an experimental.  

 

FoS for this.

 

Well crap. I read that completely wrong.

That...really changes the game for me.

See I was thinking this was more like a faction game. 5 mafia teams vs town aka 6 teams not 5 mafia members only.

I've been saying this the whole game why hasn't anyone corrected me before now?

[hazelkrs1]

Finished with audit. Alright so 8 hours left. Lot less time than I thought we had.

 

Altho we've gotten a bit better at DM with securing last minute lynches, it IS the weekend now, meaning securing a lynch on anyone other than Red or Mishtress is highly unlikely.

 

##Unvote, ##Vote Mishtress. Personally I think they're town as well, but at the very least that's only risking a VT, instead of a protective PR.

 

Which reminds me of something. I think it was Lenlo that said the Doc might protect well or Roleblockers or something or w/e.... but all that is missing the point. Red "vetting" herself would mean she DIED instead of a diff PR. It's literally the only use her role has, and it has the added benefit of showing that she was telling the truth. If however, a different PR claimed, and that PR died that night and Mish didn't, well then yeah she'd obviously be under a heap of suspicion. Doesn't mean she'd be definite scum, as it could have been a RB or something, but it would def lend more support to her lynch.

 

The point is, she would possibly have the ability to vet herself and make use of her role at the same time which could help town.

 

Lynching her today would be a #FullDarthe move. You never go Full Darthe.

[hazelkrs1]

Nol trying to feign obliviousness is just one more thing to add to the pile on him. Blech.

[Nolder]

Nolder using AJ (my other half) reasoning to vote for Red. He's currently FOSing me and AJ while maintaining Red as a suspect, so let's see how that pans out.

I wasn't FOSing you really.

I'm leaning in that direction but I'm more just...confused.

Like even as mafia it doesn't make sense to me.

You seem to be sticking your neck out to help Red.

That's just...weird.

 

 

 

##Vote Red

You're now #2 on the list.

 

What was so scummy about this vote by Dawn? What makes it different from the other piling votes on Red at this point?

 

No reason with vote.

I'm a big advocate of always providing a reason even if it's just "yeah I agree with what that guy said".

If you don't give any reason you can't be held accountable. Scum will just try to BS their way into a reason that puts them in the best light. That's why it's important to nail people down to definite statements. It's also why fencesitting is scummy.

[hazelkrs1]

Again, to reaffirm this-

 

Red has claimed a role that A) can possibly vet itself and B) can help town out if she's telling the truth.

 

Mishtress has claimed VT.

 

It really shouldn't be that difficult to see who should be lynched here. Well, honestly the real answer is neither, since I think both are town. But it's the weekend and everyone decided to park their vote on a bad train, so this is what we have to work with.

 

Don't go #FullDarthe people.

[Cory Caboose]

Finished with audit. Alright so 8 hours left. Lot less time than I thought we had.

 

Altho we've gotten a bit better at DM with securing last minute lynches, it IS the weekend now, meaning securing a lynch on anyone other than Red or Mishtress is highly unlikely.

 

##Unvote, ##Vote Mishtress. Personally I think they're town as well, but at the very least that's only risking a VT, instead of a protective PR.

 

Which reminds me of something. I think it was Lenlo that said the Doc might protect well or Roleblockers or something or w/e.... but all that is missing the point. Red "vetting" herself would mean she DIED instead of a diff PR. It's literally the only use her role has, and it has the added benefit of showing that she was telling the truth. If however, a different PR claimed, and that PR died that night and Mish didn't, well then yeah she'd obviously be under a heap of suspicion. Doesn't mean she'd be definite scum, as it could have been a RB or something, but it would def lend more support to her lynch.

 

The point is, she would possibly have the ability to vet herself and make use of her role at the same time which could help town.

 

Lynching her today would be a #FullDarthe move. You never go Full Darthe.

 

I think we actually have voting equity and sort of want to CFD Mynd

 

I have other suspects but need to keep reading

 

I wouldn't consolidate on those two wagons just yet tho I do prefer Mish to Red at this point

[Nolder]

I do not know how you have handled AJ/me 22 on, but the origin of your FOS @ Red comes from you sheeping an AJ point

 

Despite this, you are gunning @ Red hard.

Not sure I see your point.

Those just seem like statements to me.

[Nolder]

Nol trying to feign obliviousness is just one more thing to add to the pile on him. Blech.

Not sure whether you're being a dumbass or a jackass tonight.

I guess we'll split the difference and just settle on ass.

[Cory Caboose]

 

I do not know how you have handled AJ/me 22 on, but the origin of your FOS @ Red comes from you sheeping an AJ point

 

Despite this, you are gunning @ Red hard.

Not sure I see your point.

Those just seem like statements to me.

 

 

Your suspicions on Red stem from a narrative that AJ has provided and Cory/AJ have expounded upon with a few other players

 

You are now holding both us and Red suspicious

That's a high level of tinfoiling for Day 1 unless you believe we are scum together and opened with a hard bus, made Red the top wagon of the day and then soft defended near EOD when its likely she will not be saved

 

I don't find that to be a believable narrative, but I have more to go through.

[hazelkrs1]

Nol there is nothing weird about Cory engaging the highest train to affirm his or other's reads on them. It is what every townie should do really, given the opportunity. Too many people here are hesitant to vote, but when they do don't really consider moving their vote, they just want to see a flip. This is terrible play. You should be free with your vote, but also willing to engage your target to see whether or not they might be town, so that you can move your vote elsewhere.

 

Also, while I realize this might come off as rude or snarky, Cory has played a lot more DM mafia games lately than you have. If anything, he has a better idea of the climate around here than you do.

 

For instance, while skimming is never a good thing to hear someone else admit to, you'll basically never see someone try to push a policy lynch for someone skimming. They might use it in a case on that person, but in general you just don't see the "Lynch all liars" or "Lynch all skimmers" policy lynches anymore. Which is a good thing. At least as far as the "Lynch all liars" thing goes. That was wack as hell. Townie gambits are the best kind of gambits

 

[hazelkrs1]

 

Finished with audit. Alright so 8 hours left. Lot less time than I thought we had.

 

Altho we've gotten a bit better at DM with securing last minute lynches, it IS the weekend now, meaning securing a lynch on anyone other than Red or Mishtress is highly unlikely.

 

##Unvote, ##Vote Mishtress. Personally I think they're town as well, but at the very least that's only risking a VT, instead of a protective PR.

 

Which reminds me of something. I think it was Lenlo that said the Doc might protect well or Roleblockers or something or w/e.... but all that is missing the point. Red "vetting" herself would mean she DIED instead of a diff PR. It's literally the only use her role has, and it has the added benefit of showing that she was telling the truth. If however, a different PR claimed, and that PR died that night and Mish didn't, well then yeah she'd obviously be under a heap of suspicion. Doesn't mean she'd be definite scum, as it could have been a RB or something, but it would def lend more support to her lynch.

 

The point is, she would possibly have the ability to vet herself and make use of her role at the same time which could help town.

 

Lynching her today would be a #FullDarthe move. You never go Full Darthe.

 

I think we actually have voting equity and sort of want to CFD Mynd

 

I have other suspects but need to keep reading

 

I wouldn't consolidate on those two wagons just yet tho I do prefer Mish to Red at this point

 

 

Oh I was def on board with a Mynd CFD. He looks dirty as hell to me. I just don't see it happening at this point. Deadline is on a Saturday mid day... not a big chance of getting a ton of participants.

 

If it does pick up however, I'm totally cool with Wombat moving our vote back to Mynd.

 

 

Nol trying to feign obliviousness is just one more thing to add to the pile on him. Blech.

Not sure whether you're being a dumbass or a jackass tonight.

I guess we'll split the difference and just settle on ass.

 

 

Reported.

[Nolder]

Again, to reaffirm this-

 

Red has claimed a role that A) can possibly vet itself and B) can help town out if she's telling the truth.

First I'll address B.

How exactly does a bodyguard help town with no one to protect?

As of right now we don't have any other claimed power roles.

Even if we did, scum roleblockers are common and there are probably half a dozen other roles which could easily counter a BG such as a redirector or jailer. Not saying a BG is always 100% useless...but a claimed BG on D1 in an advanced game has got to be in the 90th percentile at least.

 

As for A, I don't see how really.

The odds of blocking a scum kill in the best of situations is pretty low.

Blocking a scum kill early in the game and not getting RB'd or whatever seems astronomically low.

 

You seem to think this role clears itself, I disagree.

[Nolder]

 

 

I do not know how you have handled AJ/me 22 on, but the origin of your FOS @ Red comes from you sheeping an AJ point

 

Despite this, you are gunning @ Red hard.

Not sure I see your point.

Those just seem like statements to me.

 

 

Your suspicions on Red stem from a narrative that AJ has provided and Cory/AJ have expounded upon with a few other players

 

You are now holding both us and Red suspicious

That's a high level of tinfoiling for Day 1 unless you believe we are scum together and opened with a hard bus, made Red the top wagon of the day and then soft defended near EOD when its likely she will not be saved

 

I don't find that to be a believable narrative, but I have more to go through.

 

Ah I see what you're saying.

I usually don't worry about such contradictions this early in the game.

Maybe you did open with a hard bus. It happens. I'll note that up until a few posts ago I was operating under the assumption that there were 5 different scum teams so scum voting scum didn't seem as far fetched.

 

That said it's a good point and I'll keep it in mind moving forward.

[hazelkrs1]

 

Again, to reaffirm this-

 

Red has claimed a role that A) can possibly vet itself and B) can help town out if she's telling the truth.

First I'll address B.

How exactly does a bodyguard help town with no one to protect?

As of right now we don't have any other claimed power roles.

Even if we did, scum roleblockers are common and there are probably half a dozen other roles which could easily counter a BG such as a redirector or jailer. Not saying a BG is always 100% useless...but a claimed BG on D1 in an advanced game has got to be in the 90th percentile at least.

 

As for A, I don't see how really.

The odds of blocking a scum kill in the best of situations is pretty low.

Blocking a scum kill early in the game and not getting RB'd or whatever seems astronomically low.

 

You seem to think this role clears itself, I disagree.

 

 

 

You seem to think that a role HAS to vet itself that same night or something. Dunno where you got that from. Any role claim can vet itself at any time.

 

Say someone starts getting run up tomorrow, and it turns out they're the Cop. Well then, in that scenario Red would be expected to protect the Cop. If the Cop died and Red didn't, obviously flags would go up. Wouldn't guarantee her as scum, since yeah obv scum roles that can tamper with NA's exist.

 

BUT.

 

If the scum DIDN'T have a RB or something, they'd either be forced to shoot elsewhere, or kill Red so that she doesn't protect the Cop all game. Or they could YOLO and try shooting the Cop, which wouldn't really change much. The point is, Red DOES have the potential to vet her role if she's telling the truth.

 

And tbh, it wouldn't necessarily be THAT crazy for Red to stuff a mafia kill N1. It would be impressive to say the least, but she would have a (let's assume we end up lynching town today) 1/12 chance of choosing the right person. Then it would just depend on the setup Darthe chose and how much role manipulation they had. I wouldn't say those are astronomically low odds.

 

And yes Nol, were Red to guess correctly and stuff a kill, or say protect a PR cause the scum derped and thought she was lying or something, then her role WOULD clear itself. Wouldn't make much difference, since she'd be dead at that point, but the point remains.